saturday and we will do the job that the mom won't do, we'll pick it up on monday. let not your hearts be troubled, laura ingraham straight ahead. ♪ >> laura: i'm laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" back in washington tonight -- our town hall last night made a lot of waves after georgia governor brian kemp called for a signature audit in theht electin in order verify mail and ballot signatures, we have an important update tonight. across the country inn nevada, the trump team got their first day in court after audits there revealed thousands of tainted ballots. matt schlapp the man who spearheaded the effort is here with the very latest. raymond arroyo brings us the curious case of biden's broken foot, that more in friday wifollies. but first -- never normal again?

that's the focus of tonight's angle. this time of year is usually filled with christmas parties, bustling restaurants, trips to visit loved ones, it happens all over the country but of course because of covid for most of us, nothing seems the same. more americans are on edge, some are legitimately terrified of getting the virus, others want to end lockdowns and all these rules they believe are arbitrary and destructive. even conversations between friends and between colleaguesse can get heated as it did on cnbc this morning between andrew ross sorkin and rick santelli. santelli rightly noted the logical choice between keeping big-box stores open but moved to shut down restaurants. >> there should be an ongoing debate as to why a parking lot for a big box store is jam-packed, not one parking spot

open, wire these people any safer than a restaurant with plexiglas? you can't tell me that shutting down which is the easiest answer is necessarily the only answer. >> laura: then mr. sorkin claimed without evidence that restaurants spread more covid than big stores. >> the difference between a big box retailer and a restaurant or frankly even a church are so different it's unbelievable. >> i disagree, you can have your thoughts and i can have mine. >> it's science, i'm sorry. >> it's not science, 500 people in a room aren't any safer than 150 people in a restaurant that hold 600, i don't believe it, i live in an area where there's a lot of restaurants thatld have fought back and they don't have any problems. >> laura: he is right, people are beginning to fight back --

you saw a protest outside of max public house which is a bar in staten island with the owner war arrested just for staying open just like other restaurants are permitted to do just a few blocks away but the elites think they can justify any harm being done to working-class americans by invoking the "science." individual americans rights and livelihoods are expendable in this brave new scientific world -- people need to do what they are told no questions asked. >> you don't have to believe it, you're doing a disservice to the viewer. >> you're doing a disservice to the viewer, you are. >> i'm sorry, i would like to keep our viewers as healthy as possible, the idea of packing people into restaurants -- >> i think our viewers are smar, enough to make those decisions t on their own, i don't think i'm much smarter than all the viewers like some people do. >> laura: that debate really

does capture what's going on across america, all of uswn knos what a tragedy this virus a has been for so many families but the disagreement setters on how we as a free nation manage it. gavin newsom, gretchen whitmer, j.b. pritzker are all democratic governors whose first impulse is to shut stuff down and strip you of your freedom while making exceptions all the while for tctzthemselves. we are calling it the covocracy, they always get caught breaking their own rules. today, this is fascinating -- alex berenson has been on our show so many times he published an email he received by a man who lives with his family in northern virginia -- he and his wife have good paying jobs that allow them to work from home with few inconveniences but not so for his working-class brother

and his family who still live in their hometown in brooklyn. when new york city went into a locked down, my brother was laid off and his wife was forced to close her hair salon -- when new york city schools close to my brother had to figure out how to help my nephew finished mydergarten through zoom, if brother wanted to relieve stress through recreation, too bad. the fact is this pandemic has illustrated what conservative populists have been saying for years that the educated elites are almost completely disconnected from the way working-class americans think and how they live, not to mention how propagandisticn many in the medical establishment have become, "the new york times" just published responses to an informal survey of epidemiologists and it seems that even with the vaccine, most would never recommend that we go back to our old lives ever again -- the answers range from masks for the next few years to

we'll never go back to our prepandemic freedoms. remember, this is what they are saying after we will have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on vaccines, lost trillions in wealth, lost years off our children'ser development and education but still not going back to normal? so what do you think is going on here, has everything become too political? this is allff about achieving te globalists goal of a great reset of our world economy -- the proponents by the way you use biden's build back better model to push their idea of forced wealth equalization -- americans who care about freedoms and independence better start asking questions. by the way, don't let the experts wave you off by saying this is what the science says because i bet most of them either don't know or don't care about what the u.s. constitutioy says and that's the angle.

joining me now is dr. scott atlas, former covid advisor for the trump administration and hoover institution senior fellow -- as many of us were predicting this pandemic is being used as an excuse to never go back to the new normal, to stay in a new normal even with the new vaccine. we didn't read all of those responses in "the new york times" article from today but one after the other were indicating the epidemiologists were petrified or that they had no real intention of ever going y back o what we consider normal life. what should americans take from this? >> thanks for having me, i would first say that epidemiologists are not supposed to be in charge of public policy, the policies are supposed to be determined by our leaders that we elect. epidemiologists have a view and as i've said many times, if t yr

view is to stop all cases at all costs, that's not what our public policy person does, public public-policy person is supposed to do is take that stuff into account and also take into account the impact of the spolicy themselves. at this point in time, we need people to understand the whole policy impact and that means the harms of the virus and also the harms of locking down, restricting businesses, restrictingt individual -- confining people to their homes, restricting churches, all these things have a massive toll, we know this by now -- we should see an instance of depressive symptoms in the united states -- 25% of people 18 to make 24 of thought about killing themselves to the lockdowns, we have to say yes the science mattersss and we have to not just say the science matters, we have to know the science matters and there is no evidence by the way that somehow restaurants are uniquely the big problem of spread of cases, that

is irrational, that's not the science. the second part is what is the goal of the policy? the goals of policy cannot be to stop the cases at all costs and the third category is what is the role of government? the role of government in a free society seems to me to educatepo us and people in a free society with the information make a decision. >> laura: dr. fauci was asked about a new biden policy idea, watch. >> joe biden said in an interview yesterday on his inauguration he's going to ask americans to wear a mask for 100 days.oe >> he's saying trust me, everybody for 100 days -- it might be that after that we still are going to need it but he just wants everybody for a commitment for 100 days and i

discussed that with him and i told him i thought it was a good idea. >> laura: dr. atlas, los angeles mandated masks back in april, they are now on the second wave, more restrictive lockdowns, germany, european countries, there was a lot of mask wearing at a lot of social distancing and long lockdowns and when they opened back up the virus was still there. so what's going on here with fauci and company? >> i don't want to impugn anyone's motives but i can say this, mask mandates have been in place 80, 90% of people wear a mask in tokyo, look at the figures, the cases explode through that, l.a. county, miami-dade county, hawaii, the philippines, the u.k., france all over the world, germany,n people have been wearing masks. people wear them, the cases come through.

mask mandates, okay -- it's become at some point you really have to look at the facts.r empirical results results of the policy. >> laura: hold on -- 100 days. when i hear all these people say "the science says" -- first of all science is a process, it doesn't stop on the day that joe biden declares himselflf president for his certified as president, the science is a process. is there science behind 100 days? what is that science? >> the short answer is no -- i don't know how to articulate it clearer than that. people keep saying it's about the science and then they act contrary to the science. i think the country really needs to figure out this, allow the free exchange of ideas without

fear of intimidation or rebuke or we are never going to arrive at the science. added to that equation is a massive amount of fear that has been instilled into people that really has changed even rational thinking.. >> laura: speaking of l.a., eric garcetti is in line for a biden cabinet spot, he has essentially told everyone put your life on hold -- watch. >> my message couldn't be simpler, it's time to hunker down. it's time to cancel everything and if it isn't essential, don't do it.im don't meet up with others outside your household, don't host a gathering, don't attend the gathering. >> laura: is the sound policy? >> i don't know how to describe what that is but we can look at what's happening in the country and see that doesn't make sense. look at the cases that have come

up in the colder parts, the midwest, the upper midwest,, aeverything is coming down now, the covid illnesses in the emergency room are coming down now in most of the states and the states that are warmer aren getting their winter upper respiratory infection cases -- this has nothing to do with hunkering down, we have to do everything we can to protect high-risk people, we have the vaccine coming as we said originally, the timelines were correct, we are going to have vaccines within weeks, within days for high risk people -- it's not about just putting life on hold and canceling. i don't know what the end game is for people who keep insisting we must stop living -- what is the end game? >> laura: i just talked to a friend of mine whose mother is in germany and she has dementia and she hasn't been able to se. her mother has forgotten, who they are -- there's all sorts of

other costs to this. we want everybody to be safe but there is a cost to isolation of healthy adults, let alone people who are unhealthy. you don't hear the expertsve talking about it enough. we love seeing you tonight, thank you so much.just how manys to see vaccinated before he thinks things can even start returning to normal. >> what percent of our society we currently believe would have to be vaccinated for everyone to be generally safe? do we know that? >> i would imagine it's somewhere between 75 and 85% at least.t. i would like to see children, adults, every one so that we get into the fall season, children could feel really safe of going

back to school. >> laura: joined me now is ceo of foxhole cardiology, i've heard other people say 70% which a lot of folks thought was high but now it's 75 to make 85% including children who overwhelmingly do not suffer much with rare exceptions from this virus. >> i'mel stunned. the reality is iff you're under the age of 18, the cdcs own data suggests you have a 94% chance of surviving covid. life-threatening to children and should not be given with almost no safety data. i'm flabbergasted. 9 >> laura: on what basis do you say that? >> there's a phenomenon known as antibody-dependent enhancement

were sub optimal antibodies can actually act and allow the virus to enter the cell and act as ant trojan horse so to speak and replicate within the cell. we saw this with the dengue virus and this is common with positive corona viruses, with the dengue vaccine which was given in the philippines, we saw over 130 children die from this phenomenon, it's why the vaccine is in the dustbin of history. there is potential real damage that this untested vaccine and when i mean untested, we don't have the 5 to 7 year safety data that we typically have with vaccines before we allow them to be broadly used, this vaccine could cause. i think it's very dangerous especially when many children are probably -- have had the virus and are frankly asymptomatic. remember 40% of people or a cinematic and 40% have minimal symptoms.

>> laura: let me play for you what joe biden said today commits a price some people about making vaccines mandatory. >> i wouldn't demand it to be mandatory but i would do everything to my power, just like i don't think masks should have to be made mandatory nationwide. i will do everything in my power as president of the united states to encourage people to do the right thing when they do it, demonstrate that it matters. >> laura: he said last night he wants a mask mandates but he kind of changes his mind on that too, do we believe him on this? >> i'm not a mind reader but i would say to force people toto take a vaccine that is untested which is essentially what they will try to do -- you will be able to go to a restaurant, you will be able to go to a music venue you may not be able to fly a plane. it will be de facto mandatory, it won't be mandatory by the government but qantas, other airlines may force the hand of people, i think it's courting disaster. think about this. imagine that it's 2021 and there's another covid virus, imagine that virus causes an

antibody dependent enhancement reaction in people whot have gotten this1 vaccine -- those people will be devastated and that's not just high-risk individuals the cdc wants, it's also health care workers who are being pressed to get the vaccine and being offered the vaccine, i think we have to be very judicious and selective amongst who gets this vaccine before we press everyone to get immunized. >> laura: thank you so much. coming up, the trump campaign legal team looks to take their ra supreme courtda now, we will speak to the man leading the effort plus our georgia town hall made a lot of news last night when georgia governor brian kemp called for a signature audit, what is the update there? stay there. ♪ it's down to the wire,

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♪ >> laura: the trump legal team finally had its day in court, yesterday they presented some shocking new evidence. >> about 4,000 noncitizens voting in this election. the data gathered in less than a month showing thousands and thousands of instances of fraud -- we have testimony too.

in the dead of night, boats disappear and votes reappear. without explanation. a a >> laura: my next guest is the man spearheading much of that in that nevada effort matt schlapp, american conservative union chairman, that was an attorney reading from an audit of the nevada boats that you guys commissioned -- that in and of itself was shocking but what else did you find? >> i've been involved in politics my entire adult life, when i hit the ground in nevada i thought we would find some evidence of wrongdoing,ee i hado idea that we would find tens of thousands of illegal ballots in almost every category you can imagine -- think about this, over 40,000 people voted whots voted in two states including nevada, over 20,000 people who voted in nevada who aren't legal residents of nevada, category after category, much more than would be needed to actually

switch the results in nevada, donald trump actually won nevada. >> laura: the campaign's attorney also exposed another shocking scandal at the hearing, watch. >> bad actors executed a scheme incentivizing individual people to vote, it was a very clear tit-for-tat, you have to show that you voted and if you vote if you get things like raffle tickets and many people were given cash cards and gift cards, television. >> laura: are the authorities investigating what is blatantly illegal activity? if you're giving gift cards for people to vote, that is a crime. >> these are crimes and the state of nevada is unfortunately run, the entire state is run by democrats who are overlooking

all of this fraud, all of this illegal activity, the other thing that is interesting is in that wholecr proceeding yesterd, everything that happened in nevada come all the dirty deeds in nevada, no charges against the trump campaign for any trump allies come everything like what you just showed on your screen was all done by allies of biden-harris, giving away flat screens and t giving away financial incentives to vote for joe biden. >> laura: flat screens? i must have missed that one can i do know that was part of it, i saw the gift cards but i did see the flat screens. >> they got inventive, raffle tickets and you've got all kinds of prizes. these are crimes and we should vote because we love our country and we care about our ideas, not because we get something out of it. >> laura: this is bad for the country, it's so important -- for the country at large, this is why people are questioning the results becauses you don't have a good-faith effort on on the part of the state, secretary

of state in nevada, state officials in nevada, state legislature, this is ridiculous. thank you so much for doing this and please keep us updated, we'll have you back on monday because i know they're going to be developments over the weekend and our georgia town hall has become a clarion call forr leaders in that state were concerned about election integrity especially after governor brian kemp called on the secretary of state they are conduct signature audits. earlier today, we learned a new legal challenge filed in the peach state to fight election results on behalf of president trump and a georgia voter, the lawsuit is claiming due to significant misconduct during the election process, many thousands of illegal votes were cast, thereby creating substantial doubt regarding the results of that election. joining me now is former kansas attorney general and director of the armistead project -- we've seen a number of attempts to

nullify election results in court, none of been successful so far, will this one be different? >> i certainly hope so and it should be but there's also another audience to these lawsuits and that's the state legislatures. if they should not certify an election if they have doubt about the fairness and the lawfulnessf of the election. that's what the law compels them to consider in seating electors. i would say this, we are certainly bringing cases that we hope will reach the united states supreme court but there is nothing in the law preventing legislators from saying you know what? there's too much fraud here for us to be able to certify electors. >> laura: francis watson, chief investigator for the georgia secretary of state claims that the video we all saw yesterday that made it look like people were pulling out suitcases of ballots is misleading and a saying that there wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table, it was an empty ben, nobody told

them to leave, nobody gave them any advice on what they should do and it was still open for them for the public. if that video made the rounds, it was everywhere and it certainly seemed convincing to a lot of us, what's your response? >> i think the best way to check is to get the ballots, to grab the ballots. it is a lot of information we can get off those ballots and i've heard these excuses, i've seen all of the officials say you don't need to go insidets here, there's no fraud going on -- look, we have a truck driver that went across state lines with completed ballots ready to cast from new york to pennsylvania where his trailer disappeared over a quarter of a million ballots and we start seeing these late-night dumps of ballots that are packaged to the same way and what they are saying is that's pennsylvanians on vacation in new york inhe october and all of them decided to vote on the same day? you can come up with excuse after excuse after excuse but if you're still borrowing the doors

and not allowing a true investigation, we shouldn't accept it. >> laura: do you see any problems down the pike starting december 14th when early voting begins in georgia and in person voting is on january 5th, that's the final day of the vote, presumably we will know more. do you stay up at night worrying about jon ossoff and raphael warnock winning by an illegitimate process? >> we are going to end up filing suit in georgia because they are doing the same thing. the zuckerberg money is pouring in, they are eviscerating the chain of custody of the ballots. they are doing the same thing with private money and it's going to make this election just

as confusing and with evident fraud as the previous election, it shouldn't happen. >> laura: we tried to push governor kemp, he moved a little bit i think last night but a lot of people want that state legislature called back intoem session to tighten up this signature verification process, do you think that would get it done? >> i think it could help and i'll tell you what -- all of these deadlines on the general election are artificial. they are statutes by congress, december 8th and december 14th and throughout history they were based upon how long it took to ride your horse to washington to vote in the electoral college. we should extend the investigation, we can work through this transition, there's no reason to rush this, the inauguration -- we've only covered 40% of the days between election day and inauguration,

there's no reason to rush it and with this special election, we shouldn't repeat what we did in the general. >> laura: thank you so much, great to see you tonight. who is really at the top of the ticket?. raymond arroyo has all the details in friday follies next. ♪

♪ >> live from america's news headquarters i'm ashley strohmier. if the pandemic still causing businesses to scale back on hiring. employers ending 245,000 jobs last month. the fifth straight month. the employment rate fell to 7.7% but the job support helped to push stocks higher. four of the major close again new record highs and the s&p 500 which set three new highs. investors are betting that this jobs report will push congress into doing more to support the economy. president-elect joe biden says the jobs report shows the

economic recovery is struggling. he is urging congress to pass a coronavirus relief bill immediately and follow up with 100s of billions of dollars in more aid in january. the action is needed now or america's will face a bleak future. i'm ashley strohmi, now back to "the ingraham angle." >> laura: it's friday, that means it's time for friday follies, joining us with all the details raymond arroyo author of the spider who saved christmas, all right -- joe biden is revealing new details about his foot fracture? >> you might call this friday fall , he claimed he hurt his foot playing with his dog to make question that story at the time, then last night he expanded with jake tapper. >> what happened was i got out of the shower and a pup dropped a ball in front of me and for me to grab the ball and i'm walking

through this alleyway to get to the bedroom and i grabbed the ball like this and he ran and i'm joking and running after him and grabbing his tail and he slid on a throw rug and i tripped on the rug he slid on. that's what happened. >> i want to analyze this for a second, he gets out of the shower. he's presumably in the buff and a dog throws a ball down for him to play with. usually the owner throws the ball -- then biden is passing through an alley way presumably still grabbing the tale of a dog, does any of this strike you as strange? when you get dressed before chasing after your dog's tail in an alleyway or a hallway or whatever it is? >> laura: someone has to call -- he's pulling on the puppy's tail, that could come

right off. what did we say when we first heard about this dog mishap? rugs, you know the elderly, they always say you should roll up the rugs. we are all getting older, roll up the rugs. i knew it was the rugs. >> he should have heeded your advice. it's not just playing with the dog i thought he was on the lawn, now it's this convoluted story, things happening -- very strange. one of the most revealing moments of this interview with biden and kamala harris is when he was asked what would happen if he and a very progressive kamala disagree on policy. >> it will be just like when barack and i did, a fundamental disagreement we have on a moral principle, i'll develop some

disease and say i have to resign. >> developed a disease and say he will resign, we have to come up with a story and calm the public -- 1 of 2 things are going to happen here -- either he's going to step aside and develop a disease and kamala harris will become president, or he's going to force her to resign if they disagree. either way, this is a strange line of thinking about your running mate. >> laura: he always stops himself, he began to say we don't have any and then he catches himself and he does that awkward laughing like he did with the dog -- i still can't believe the dog story i'm stuck back on that. what else about animals. >> i've long groused about the absurdity of these alleged emotional support animals. you see them on flights all the time, i had a flight today unless you are noah driving, you

don't need a dog at this for emotional support. it looked like marmaduke in there -- get a terrier. now the department of transportation is changing these rules. these emotional support animals will no longer be considered service animals in the new year, airlines can ban them from entering the cabin. for too long they've abused these rules, they have dragged horses and falcons, peacocks, snakes, pigs onto the plane for free, they didn't have to pay any extra. those days might finally be coming to an end and it can come sooner. >> laura: returning military people who have -- whether they are disabled in some way without eyesight, that's completely different. >> those are service dogs. >> laura: the idea that you need to bring a miniature horse on a plane to feel like a full person, i just don't follow that at all. let's just say what's going on here for some people, they don't

want to pay the fee to ship the dog or ship the falcon or ship the snake or ship the kangaroo, they don't want to do any of that. >> the poor flight attendants, they deal with the and with the aisles, with dogs throwing balls to the owners who flopped down the aisle, they don't want that anymore. this is a good thing, restrict this to only service animals, they are trained for these emotional support creatures have no training, they just put them in a harness and walk them on board as if they paid a ticket, it's ridiculous. >> laura: if you're thinking about and on planes and you think it's limited to the emotional support animals, you've never flown out of vegas, all sorts of stuff happens on those plans. >> got to watch those owners. >> laura: how can the exploitation of children get you

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among our cultural arbiters, the people who tell us what's right and wrong, look no further than this case study, netflix's latest film hillbilly elegy, it's an adaptation of a 2016 memoir about appellation life and opioid addiction -- critics have given that film a 26% score on rotten tomatoes saying the movie ignores politics and it shows a rich person's idea of poor people. the audience gave it a score of 81%, now take that documentary about children who are shown in sexually exploited of scenes in the film called cuties. 87% of critics love that sick film but only 15% of the audience did. joining me now as dinesh d'souza, conservative commentator whose movie infidel is out on dvd is available for purchase. what is going on here? cuties versus hillbilly elegy,

are we making too much of this? >> not at all, i think the discrepancy in the way the audience sees it in the critics sees it is very illuminating because the audience and the critics are looking for two different things.y the audience is looking for something that is an emotionally compelling drama and hillbilly elegy far from beingdi a rich man's version of the poor man's life is actually the author talking about his own life in which he started out as a poor kid in appalachia than went off to yale law school and a successful career. this is actually a very well-informed autobiographical account and it's emotionally compelling, that's why the audience likes it. it tells a story of working-class people in a sympathetic way, these are -- you can see why critics hate it because it's a sympathetic portrait of people who far from being the kind of marxist working class that wants to overthrow the capitalists, they want to have a better life. they have conservative values because they see those values as

protecting their slow climb up therk ladder. critics hate the film because it's a conservative film. >> laura: critics went after the movie for ignoring the politics around the memoir, a lot of people watching thisp didn't read but also the rise of trump. they always go back to trump, ron howard defended the film this way. >> critics have a job which is to see something, run it through their lens and write and talk about it so i can't argue with it -- i do feel like they are looking at political thematic's that they may or may not agree with that honestly aren't really reflected or are not front and center in this story. >> laura: he hates trump so what does that say? >> i think with ron howard, he's

staying with the main thrust of the story which is fundamentally not ideological or explicitly political in any sense. contrast with cuties which the critics love and the reason they love it is precisely because it is depraved. we have a tradition now of these critics going back 30 years in which they always want to push the moral envelope, they want to scandalize you and once you stop being scandalized that got to take it to the next level. the sexualization of children is the last straw and the reasonnli it's so destructive is because children are not emotionally, physically, intellectually, morally ready. it's a form of adult exploitation can be can look at these critics as themselves being adult who are enjoying exploitation of children, the same type of people who put children to work in a sweatshop, it's not for the benefit of the children, the children aren't ready for it but it's forme the benefit of adults exploiting

children in that way. >> laura: you raise a great point. by the way, cuties have now found itself on a short list for the 2021au academy awards. chosen to fit into the category of best international feature. we are rewarding the objectification of children trying to masquerade or pass it off as high art and is this surprising, the fact that all of these years so many people knew about harvey weinstein and just decided to look the other way because of all of his power? >> ic two themes going on simultaneously, the first one is to take -- and make it seem normal and healthy and wonderful and then to take normal behavior and make it ecological. >> laura: it's great to see you tonight, thank you so much. how is abc's "good morning america" working with the

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>> laura: i still remember when "good morning america" use to include at least a little bit of news and some hard-hitting interviews even. but these days this is how things go. >> reunited with the cast of veep for a virtual table read on sunday to benefit american votes, can you tell us about that? it's a marvelous organization about educating voters, informing voters, you've got some big guest stars joining us. stephen colbert, who male nongianni, patton oswalt, mark hamill. >> all of you at home can get tickets at show up for georgia.com. >> laura: that site is hosted

by act blue where viewers can donate to democrat organizations. that's all the time we have tonight can everyone have a great weekend, relax a little if you can -- shannon bream the fox news at 19 take it all from here. ♪ >> shannon: shannon: hello h and welcome to fox news at night. breaking tonight, campaigning in georgia virtually without physically going there, evidence of the supreme importance these two races will have for the power structure in america in the aftermath of the presidential election. donald trump campaigning in georgia to back republican senators kelly leffler and david perdue in the