we've helped a lot of causes. >> dana: thanks, joey logano. merry christmas. thanks for all you do. >> thank you. >> dana: thanks for joining us. i'm dana perino. see you on "the five." hi, bill. >> bill: hi, dana. a cool guy. >> dana: pretty cool. >> bill: nice to see you, dana. see you at 5:00. big news, big hour. i'm bill hemmer. could be a second vaccine available. food and drug administration documents show that moderna's vaccine is safe and 94% effective. this has covid deaths top 300,000 yesterday. we begin the hour with dr. stephen hahn.

he's been working 24/7 back to last year. so many doubted whether or not we would have an effective vaccine in this calendar year. soon we'll have two in the year 2020. dr. hahn, welcome and thank you for joining me today. exclusively on our broadcast. operation warp speed is a beast. you'd agree on that. >> i would agree with that. this is an impressive effort. really just amazing biomedical research, government, private industries, partnership. all hands on deck approach to get to this point. >> bill: okay. moderna is next. when will they get the green light, doctor? >> so we issued today our preliminary assessment of the data. scientists went line by line. we have a vaccine committee meeting thursday where we will have a full public vetting of it. we expect to follow a similar course again. don't want to prejudge what the

experts say at the vaccine advisory committee. we expect to follow a similar time to last week and make a decision shortly thereafter. >> bill: we're all holding our breath for thursday. is canada going to beat us to this again, you think? >> well, i don't know the answer to that question. i haven't been looking at this as someone beating us. what i know is, we have the most transparent and the most regulatory approach to assessing the safety and efficacy of medical products. it's so important with the vaccines to do that, to make sure that our stamp of approval, the gold standard in the world is put upon them. >> i respect that. looking for the gold standard. when you look at this operation warped speed, the walls broken down, should there have been more reform at the fda at that approval level? how would you address that, doctor? >> so we're looking and we have been looking at our processes and procedures. it's important when you look at an application the size of

pfizer's for example with 44,000 study participants, that is an application that we go line by line through to look at issues like allergies, like the protection of kids, like the side effects. that takes us four to six months to review. what we've done in this period of time is three weeks or less to do that review period, which is i think a substantial increase in the efficiency of the process. we have an absolute commitment to the american people to make sure that we do this right and get it right. >> bill: and you can understand, a little aggravation last week when the u.k. approves it and canada goes after that. i don't want to mix politics here. but on friday of last week, is it true that you were asked to either get the pfizer vaccination approved or step aside? is that the case and the message from the white house? >> that is not an accurate representation of any conversation that i had.

bill, let me emphasize, no one is wasting any time at fda. our reviewers have kids, grand kids, mothers, daughters. everybody is working around the clock. fda is the gold standard. we have to have the time to do a thorough signty -- scientific review. >> thanks. soon the fda will approve an at-home covid test for the first time. how do you get it? no prescription required. tell us more. >> this is a great story, bill. another example of the speed with which products are being developed. we authorized today an emergency use authorization for an at-home over-the-counter test. so we previously authorized

at-home tests that needed a prescription. this is the first one that we authorize that did not need a prescription. l unit is the name of the test. it's on our website. in the coming weeks to months, it will be available for members of the american public to purchase. it's an easy approach and includes a swab and some solution. there's an app associated with it as well as a device to measure. very simple process for getting a yes or no with respect to being potentially infected with covid-19. >> bill: is that february or march? what is the timeline on that? how long would the results take, sir? >> so about 15 minutes to get the answer back on your smart phone or by the device. remarkable when you think about how long it's taken to develop at-home pregnancy tests and other terses right now. so really great technology where we've been prioritizing at-home and over-the-counter testing at fda. we have to do that to support

this type of innovation. >> is that february or march? put a time on it. >> we authorized it as of today. we're working with the company to get the ramp up as quick acc possible. we're hoping that it happens soon. more information to follow on that. information about the test can be found on our website. >> bill: you have to produce millions of those as well. two more minutes, two more questions. operation warp speed with financial backing for companies like moderna and pfizer. if you don't have the pushing on behalf of the commander-in-chief, are we at this point today, doctor? >> oh, i think there's no question that president trump's leadership at the administration's work to get this done has been critically important. no question in my mind about that. the president has asked us to reduce red tape where we can. we have done that at fda. we're in the process of doing a

look back on our response to see how we can further improve our response. a huge amount of credit go to the president and the administration for this amazing medical development process. also to the great researchers and the biomedical researching infrastructure in this crown try. >> bill: final question. new york might shut down again. you think that is wise? >> well, obviously these decisions are made by local officials. what i think needs to be emphasized we're in the middle of a surge of the pandemic. we must follow the mitigation procedures of wearing masks, avoiding public gatherings and large internal gathering and protecting the vulnerable. that is what we need to do while we're waiting to develop herd immunity. >> bill: thanks for your time, doctor. thank you for the effort you put into this. i hope you can come back and continue our conversation. stephen hahn from the fda.

in new york, they're bracing nor the possibility of a foot of snow and a shut down. david lee miller from the outdoors. what's happen something. >> the clock is ticking with the nor'easter bearing down on the city. authorities say all outdoor dining will have to be halted. the stop will take effect at 2:00 eastern time, that's just about 23 hours from now. mayor bill de blasio says the city will try to allow the temporary outdoor structures to remain so the plow trucks can work around them. and workers protesting today against all indoor dining in the city. many in the restaurant business say it doesn't make sense because tracing statistics say restaurants account for less

than 1.5% of covid infections and calling for the governor to reconsider the indoor dining ban. >> what will happen to us that we cannot stay open? what is going to happen to all of these restaurants that are going to close in a couple weeks? he doesn't realize about us. why he doing this to us? we're not the problem. we're following everything that they ask us to do. >> despite the protest, mayor de blasio had bad news for the city. although the ultimate decision is up to the state, de blasio says it's all but certain there will soon be a shut down of all nonessential businesses in new york city. the mayor says if he has his way, this second citywide shut down will not begin until after christmas. in his words, he went on to say with a little luck and the help of a vaccine, it will be a few weeks. for now though, the major concern for new yorkers, the

weather, it will impact not just the restaurant industry here, bill, possibly much of the city, many businesses forced to close down because of this impending storm. >> bill: thanks, david lee. we'll see how it goes in the next 48 hours. one of the many fact checks on the president's predictions, argued it would take a miracle to see one by the end of the year. that's what the president calling it. ari fleischer is here to talk about the vaccine doubters. plus, the biden campaign taking big bucks on facebook and social media. for, senator james risch on chinese spies in america and the threats from beijing next.

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get briefed on this regularly. when i say regularly, i mean daily. >> dana: this is -- this conduct by china is widespread and ongoing. for people interested in this, i put out as chairman of the foreign relations committee 143-page very comprehensive report on all of the malign activities that china is engaged in. it will -- it had bipartisan input into it. i have no doubt that that report has been studied closely in beijing by now. any american that has an interest in this and we all should should look at that and study it and see the kind of activities that china is so aggressively involved in here in the united states. >> bill: what would you want our audience to understand about what your concluded in that report? >> the conclusion in that report is they are a challenge to us. they are a competitor of ours economically, militarily and

culturally. they have a socialist communist system that they live under. they sincerely as we believe in democracy, they believe in communism. really infiltrates all of these other areas, both military and economics. they are a growing competitor. they are very aggressive. they are everywhere in the world. when you travel anywhere in the world, you can't help but cross the chinese track where they have engaged in some of these -- even in the united states we have confucius instituteds. the number is coming down now because a lot of the universities are understanding they took money to put these confucius institutes in place and find out that they're a front to put out the propaganda on -- >> bill: how common is that on american campuses? >> very common. very common. i don't know the exact numbers

of universities, but it's -- it's in more universities than not have a confucius -- >> bill: how often do the chinese tracks cross you in washington d.c.? >> regularly. we see it all the time. obviously they're very busy here in washington d.c. they're busy across the country. whereas other countries focus on the capitol and the federal government, the chinese focus on us and also focus on the local governments as we see from the swalwell case. that started when he was involved in local politics. >> bill: talking about swalwell. >> yes, california. what do you think about the house republicans asking nancy pelosi and demanding that he's removed from the house appropriations committee? >> i don't city my nose in their politics. they have to make that decision on it. i frankly don't know all of the

details on that. i know that it started -- the relationship started before he came to congress. he then came to congress and here awhile before he went on the intelligence committee. i don't know what the continuing relationship is, if any. so i think they're going to have to look at that and make a considerate decision. we on the intelligence committee get a tremendous amount of information that is highly classified and very sensitive. needs to be protected. >> bill: senator rubio believes a public hearing should be -- should happen in 2021, especially republicans that control the majority of the senate after the run off in georgia in january. would you support that? would that be of value to the american citizen to understand what you hear privately? >> yeah. yes, i do support that. we have already on the foreign

relations committee held numerous hearings on china during my time as the chairman of the committee. the intel committee, we have had numerous hearings also on china. but those are closed. i think what he's thinking about is an open hearing on the matter. >> bill: public, yes. >> but that is up to him as chairman of the committee. >> bill: i respect the answer that you said you're on the senate, not the house side. how does a second term member of the house find his way to the house intelligence committee? my understanding is that this is one of the most coveted spots in all of washington. i understand when speaker boehner ran the house, he told his members don't lobby me. i'll be making this decision me and me only. >> i led our state senate in idaho two decades. setting up committees is a combination of a skill and an art.

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>> bill: well, breaking moments ago, senator chuck schumer saying that joe biden's team will roll out the vaccine bather than the trump team. how is that for unity? chris hahn is here, former aide to chuck schumer and host of the aggressive progressive podcast. gentlemen, i don't know. he just said we have a better plan. i mean, josh, i think the plan is going okay. i think, chris, is this the way we want to get there thing going already? >> look, i mean, biden will put some real competent people in government. i feel like the last four years it's been a full parade through the trump administration. people coming and going. coming and going. the president not knowing what to do when to do, when to use the defense production act to actually help this country through the virus -- >> bill: chris, you got a vaccine. you got a vaccine in historic

record time. what do you want? >> absolutely. pfizer did not participate in any federal funding -- >> bill: you got $2 billion as a backstop to make sure that they don't go bankrupt, to make sure that they would be a part of operation warp speed. josh, please. >> look, this is madness. you can't be collectively be happy about operation warp speed and what it's been able to accomplish with the delivery yesterday of a vaccine to put this nightmare behind us eventually. you're more partisan than you are interested in the best interests of our country. there's folks like chuck schumer that made that choice. nancy pelosi following the e election saying they wouldn't do a covid deal as long as president trump is around. now they're interesting in doing one. most americans are saying what

in the world is going on? >> bill: i'm getting word that mnuchin will sit down with pelosi and mcconnell. chris, another shot here that sounds okay. i will ask you, w.t.h., what is up with the covid relief, fellows? where is it? >> look, look, the democrats from the house passed a bill in april. they have come down several times. there's a bipartisan group of senators that have a bill that if it's brought to the floor by mitch mcconnell, it will pass and will be signed into law by the president, which will grant immediate relief. i think there needs to be movement now. we can't be holding up this relief as mitch mcconnell has on some figment of his imagination that there will be all of these lawsuits -- >> bill: a lot of companies said that they were concerned about that. $2.2 trillion. you have to come down from somewhere, huh, josh, right? >> you know, so funny to hear

chris talk about this. what the house passed this summer had more announcements about cannabis than they did about jobs. they had things like boat harvesting, which we have come to find out is a terrible problem that they wanted to nationalize that. where they're at with the problem at hand, agreement of 95% of this package. they had a hold-up on the liability portion that chris talked about and a hold-up about funding for state and local governments who, you know, republicans frankly believe do not spend money wisely. from the summer, you can tell they have a lot of reason for that. the point is mcconnell said shove both of those overboard. we won't have an agreement on the that. get those -- let's take the 95% we agree on and democrats are still kind of going through this process. >> bill: maybe that's where it's resolved. we have the senator schumer bite. chris used to work for him. here we go.

>> the fact that he just had some resign high up in his administration gives me confidence that the biden plan to produce and particularly distribute the vaccine will be a lot better than trump's plan. >> bill: red, white and blue. >> you know, i know ron kline. he's a smart guy. he will get the job done. one more point on relief to state and local government. operation warp speed relies on local government. mcconnell is blocking that funding. that will block the distribution of the vaccine. >> let me say ron may or may not be a competent guy. all he has to do is sit in his chair and stare at his computer for the strategy to be rolled out. because the ship is -- they're trucking right now. >> he's so good at everything. >> bill: two vaccines, nobody predicted it. one guy did, however.

>> that's right. >> bill: from california, governor newsome has to go and people are getting more support for a possible recall election. is that in the offing there? media outlets did fact checks on the president's claim of vaccine bring the end of the year. ari fleischer on how that turned out in a moment coming up. veterans: you know mortgage rates have fallen to 50-year lows. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save you $3000 a year. with newday's va streamline refi there's no income verification, no home appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. it's the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered. call newday now. joint pain, swelling, temy psoriasis. cosentyx works on all of this. cosentyx can help you look and feel better by treating

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>> bill: from california, there's a campaign to recall the governor there. governor newsome has been getting more support lately apparently. that's the word from organizers that say they have more than half of the signatures needed for a recall election. william la jeunesse has more. what gives? >> california elected newsome two years ago in one of the biggest landslides in 90 years. this is a deep blue state. a recall will be tough but not unprecedented. gray davis was recalled because

of a car tax. and closing schools and restaurants without data. inmates fleecing the state for $2 bill. record homelessness, a moratorium on fracking. reporters say they have half the signatures. the website says how to sign the petition and the twitter page includes a link to this video. ♪ >> organizers have until mid march to qualify. the campaign will likely need about $3 million to make it on the ballot. a recall adviser says his french laundry debacle shows his

arrogance. >> it's a combination of his own missteps and it's all about him and his record and how he's been just an absolute disaster of a governor for the past 1 1/2 years. >> so asked about the recall yesterday. newsome ignored the questions entirely. he's expected to seek his second term in 2022. it's worth noting that a republican has not won here statewide in 14 years. >> noted. thank you, sir. we'll see what happens. thanks. and nbc news facing criticism for an article in may citing experts that said president trump would need a miracle for a vaccine to become a reality in 2020. there was similar coverage from other media outlets like the following. >> the promise was held out that we'll have a vaccine by the end of this year. is that possible in your view? >> you know, it's preposterous

to make that statement. >> would you trust that vaccine? >> i think that we have learned since this pandemic started but really before that that there's very little that we can trust that comes out of donald trump's mouth. >> why is it moving so fast? two reasons. money and ego. on the way out the door, he wants to say i solved covid because i discovered a vaccine. no, it's all b.s. he didn't do anything. it's the drug companies and nobody is going to trust him saying it's a safe vaccine. >> bill: fast forward to today. ari fleischer. how are you do something how did that age over the past few months do you think? >> oh, it's aged the same way so much about the criticism of president trump has aged. you can say whatever you want, accuse him of anything and nobody holds you accountable of being accurate or inaccurate.

that's why they say it. you think the networks that put people on that would second guess why are we saying these things? because it's anti-trump. they don't put it. they put the next on to same the same things that turn out to be false. >> steve schmidt on msnbc, i bet my left arm that donald trump can't spell vaccine. >> yeah. you know, reminds me of why they put michael avanetti on the air. the difference here is what goes beyond politics. this is the moment we've all been waiting for in order to get back to our lives. the development of that vaccine. i do think that in the administration that made many communication mistakes principally in dealing with covid, this is one thing that they got right and they deserve credit for it. >> bill: okay. how about the coverage the mainstream media has given to

hunter biden? how about all of the coverage to eric swalwell, ari? >> yeah. that's another thing i looked up, bill. on the hunter biden story, abc news gave it 30 second. nbc and cbs gave it 90 second. they're one and done. they don't want to come back to this story. it's a story of great importance now in the event of a vice president's son suffers criminal prosecution. hunter and eric swalwell even worse, the networks have yet to cover that story. "the new york times" has still not covered that story. that's about china infiltrating the united states and they have not covered it. it's amazing what you can get away with if you're a democrat. >> bill: i remember several months ago you had a similar message when you get to the heat of a campaign, a lot of it will not be reported. you were right about that. based on your history, coming in and out of washington, when did you finally wise up to that idea? what was it 20 years ago or was it during your time in the white

house? when did that light go off, ari? >> you know, i really appreciate that question. i'm writing a book about it now. it's called "broken" and about journalism in the era open donald trump and beyond. it took donald trump to break the press. if there's a scandal, the press wants to get to the bottom of it. now with hunter biden and eric swalwell, it's not true. if the story is damaging to donald trump, they'll run with it and put it on the air and lead the news with it whether it's true or not. when the story can be favorable to donald trump, it gets depressed, minimized. that is not journalism. that is dividing the country. it's vulcanization. it's not good for the country. people want to know where can i get the facts. that is so frustrating. >> bill: very interesting.

a book called "broken." did you realize that when you worked in the white house? was it post white house time? again, when did that moment hit you, that that side of the media is not go -- >> bill: president trump. hit me under president trump. i accepted the media is liberal. that's the way they are. the way they defy news, cover news. always from a point of view that was not conservative, it was liberal. what i didn't realize until trump came along the length that they would go to put their fingers on the scale to tilt the news. that's what we've seen. we saw it with the collusion stories, the absence of the hunter biden stories. repeats itself pattern after pattern, time after time. it is really watching the media cover trump and the campaign in 2016 and then during his presidency of course the last four years that i've reached the conclusion that the press is broken. >> bill: very interesting. looking forward to the book. i assume you're in texas there. a hint on the screen.

travel well. look forward to seeing you soon. good luck with the book. >> you bet. >> bill: so what is going on with hunter biden and that investigation? mike emanuel has nor. good afternoon. >> good afternoon. congressional sources close to the hunter biden investigation say much of their focus is on following the money trail. hunter biden did business deals with a variety of foreign interesting including an energy deal with the chinese energy company. that alone has raised foreign policy and national security concerns looking ahead to a new biden administration. >> there's so many suspicious transactions, so many suspicious connections to china, to the communist party china, the people's liberation army. it's unbelievable that vice president biden didn't know about this and wasn't participating in these businesses to some extent. >> there's hunter biden's former involvement on burisma. a former business partner warned hunter that he underreported his

income by $400,000. he confirmed that he's under investigation for his tax affairs. it's not clear if the time on the burisma board is part of it. his father, the president-elect, has denied any involvement in his business dealings. the finance chairman is not convinced. >> joe biden was running an anti corruption agenda in ukraine, but he pulled his punches while his son was on the board of burisma. based on the facts known today, joe biden has a lot of explaining to do. >> while this is a very hot issue with republicans in congress, biden and his supporters are moving forward. >> joe biden is the one that will be elected president, not his son. it's silly for me, for people to be put in this much emphasis on that. i don't think there is. >> i could care less about hunter biden.

he's irrelevant to the situation. like the current administration and their situations. the current president has not released his tax returns yet. i can care less about hunter biden's tax return. >> there's no sign of this going away with some making the case of a special counsel to investigation. >> in a moment, andy mccarthy is here. fox news is learning top tech execs donates tens of thousands of dollars to joe biden's presidential campaign even as their platforms restricted that hunter biden story. that's next. attention veterans, today's all time low mortgage rates just dropped even lower. veterans who refi now can save three thousand dollars a year. with newday's va streamline refi, there's no income verification, no appraisal and no out of pocket costs. one call can save you $3000 a year.

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good day. "wall street journal" wrote this earlier. thank you, bill barr. the attorney general is the right man for the job in harper -- hyper partisan times. do you agree with that? >> i sure do. he had a president pushing him to politicize some investigations. he had a media and a democrat chorus of criticism that accused him of politicizing the justice department for opening investigations that needed to be done. >> he leaves december 23. what happens with the hunter biden matter what happens with the special counsel. i know historically you don't like it what the proper resolution on this? >> you know, it's very discouraging, bill, to hear the

media and some people on the democratic side continue to sort of poo-poo this thing and be little it. it's the kind of investigation that shouldn't have been suppressed before the campaign or during the campaign. should have been vetted before the election. it just is suggestive -- those of us that would be open to the idea of something other than a special counsel, it suggests that they're not taking this sire usually and continuing to minimize it, which is why you need to have one if you need to have one. >> bill: so you have a suggestion here. something like judge mukasey or merrick garland. what would their role be? >> i always thought that the scrupulousness of the prosecutor assigned and the recognize on both sides of the aisle is more important than the structure of a special counsel, which is not all it's cracked up to be.

because the president has ultimate constitutional authority over the entire executive branch including special counsel. so there's a limit to how much protection you can give insulation you can give to an investigation anyway. i think it's much more important, number 1, to get somebody that was like that who everybody would accept as a prosecutor who will follow the evidence and the case wherever it leads and the second thing that is important is our charges imminent. if charges are imminent and we get a sense of what the investigation is, the parameters of us are, it become a harder thing for the new administration to bury. >> bill: like this special counsel, the law was set up for this to try to eliminate the potential for any crossover or conflict of interest. you have an incoming president whose son is under investigation. they have to sort it out somehow. last comment on that, andy. have to go. >> the big criticism, bill, we

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max donation possible to the biden campaign during the election. records from the federal elections commission reviewed by fox news shows some of those executives double dipped their donations giving the max amount $2,800 in the primary and the same max amount during the general election. facebook and so did twitter. facebook's cfo and coo also gave the max donation. fox news could not find any record that executives at facebook or twitter gave any money to president trump's campaign. the donations are not illegal but speak to a larger viewpoints that conservatives are not viewed as legitimate. twitter told fox this. >> biden has been clear that

he's not a fan of facebook's founder mark zuckerberg or silicon valley. in an interview with the editorial board for "the new york times," biden rem missed about a meeting calling one of them a little creep. he had fresh words about facebook's founder, too, telling them this. >> no, i've never been a fan of facebook as you probably know. i've never been a big zuckerberg fan. i think he's a problem. he knows better. >> bill, biden has not just received a ton of cash from facebook executives but also brought on some facebook alumni. hired them to help out with his transition. he even brought on facebook's former director of public policy to his administration. bill? >> bill: hillary vaughn from atlanta. thanks. nice to see you. see where that goes. we'll continue to watch joe biden's event in atlanta. big meeting at 4:00.

talking about covid relief. we here monday through friday at 3:00 eastern. stocks love to talk about covid relief. they love the fact that washington is spending a lot of money soon. let's gets it done before christmas. we'll see you tomorrow. ciao! >> neil: all right. thanks, bill. stocks love the idea that they're coming together on covid relief on the right hand side of your screen awaiting the principal players that are the leadership of leadership. nancy pelosi meeting with chuck schumer and kevin mccarthy, the republican leader in the house. we're also understanding that mitch mcconnell is in the same meeting and steve mnuchin on the phone. on the left, joe biden indicating his support for the two democratic candidates for senate for whom he is campaigning in georgia. again, so much going on so fast. here's what has stocks racing, everyone. the prospect right now that we could