facebook comment. might help him out a little. >> jon: i don't want to be around when he lights his birthday candles. >> gillian: [laughs] good point. >> jon: great working with you today. >> gillian: likewise. great to be with you and with everyone at home. >> jon: thank you for joining us. "outnumbered" starts now. >> kennedy: fox news alert, federal investigators searching for a motive in the nashville bombing as we are getting new video of the christmas day explosion. authorities say 63-year-old anthony quinn warner who died in the blast parked his rv in downtown nashville and around six, gave him a message started blaring from the vehicle warning that a bomb would soon detonate, and then there was the blast. >> if you can hear this message, evacuate now. >> kennedy: god, that's scary. this was the scene on the ground in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. >> [screaming]

>> kennedy: and police releasing this new video showing an officer walking away just moments before the bomb went off. you can see the intensity of the blast. the six nashville police officers, who are being hailed as heroes for evacuating the surrounding area and putting their own lives at risk, spoke out yesterday. >> at that time, we set up our cars to set up as much of a barricade as we can to keep people out. >> in the explosion happened, i was thrown forward, knocked to the ground, but i was able to catch myself. i was fine. >> kennedy: unreal. lives for us in nashville with the very latest, charles? >> hi it, kennedy. there are a lot of unanswered questions about that christmas day explosion here in nashville, including why it happened. federal investigators are working to piece together a motive as their investigation moves forward. authority say they are looking

into the hundreds of tips and processing evidence to try and figure out what led 63-year-old anthony quinn warner to blow up his rv in the middle of downtown nashville. mayor john cooper said warner may have targeted the at&t data center that was damaged in the blast. however, federal officials say they are not ready to call him a domestic terrorist just yet. >> and reassess an event for domestic terrorism nexus, it has to be tied to an ideology. the use of force or violence, and the furtherance of a political social ideology. we haven't tied it to that yet. >> investigators say they continue to follow up on leads, but with the suspect confirmed dead there could be questions that are never answered. back to you. >> kennedy: charles, thanks so much. we'll be checking in with you throughout the day. you're watching "outnumbered," welcome to it.

i'm kennedy. here we have fox news contributor lisa boothe, senior editor and fox news contributor, mollie hemingway, fox news headlines 24/7 reporter, carley shimkus, and former deputy director of public affairs of the justice department, ian prior paid welcome, everyone. welcome, ian. >> ian: thank you. thanks for being with me. >> kennedy: let's talk a little bit about this. we thought we were almost done with 2020, and then something like this happened that is so confounding. it is scary, it is odd, is there any way to sort of grasp what happened and put it in perspective? >> ian: i think it is interesting, the segment you played just before we started here, talking about domestic terrorism. that's an interesting conundrum that the fbi, and nashville police will have to work through to determine what this crime is. there are certain things in the u.s. code that make activities like this terrorism regardless

of whether it has a government connection. obviously, if this is something that could be labeled domestic terrorism, that unlocks a whole lot of resources for the federal government to be able to investigate this, and be able to bring the whole force of the fbi and the department of justice if it gets to that point. >> kennedy: yes, absolutely. mollie, normally when we see something like this is almost like a sick rush for both sides to sort of target and blame the other, but we really don't have any answers here. can you compare this to anything that you have seen in your memory as a reporter? >> mollie: first off, it is wonderful to learn that the only person they've identified as being killed in this blast is the person they allege perpetrated it. that is what makes this so weird and different than a lot of terrorist-type activities. the guy went out of his way to clear the area. i was reading a facebook comment from someone who was awakened by

gunshots, started hearing the announcement emitting from this rv to vacate the area, did vacate the area with his cat, got a safety key. he realized this could have killed quite a few more people had he did not tell people to evacuate. he makes it so confounding. what was his goal, what was he trying to do? we know that a lot of these acts of violence are done precisely for the purpose of getting attention to a particular cause or individual, so we don't want to behave in such a way as to make people think this is a good way to get attention for something, but there are a lot of unanswered questions. of course it does bring to mind the las vegas terrorism where that man shot from the hotel and killed all those people down below, and we never got any good answer as to what his goal was, what he was doing it, anything like that. it makes it much scarier when you can't explain it away as simple political terrorism or something that has a particular goal in mind. i think people are very anxious to find out what was behind

this. >> kennedy: yes, as if we weren't on edge enough, carley. you've got a virus, we've seen riots throughout the year, a crazy presidential election, now something like this happens. we were already on edge, and i we are on high alert. what do we know about this dead suspect? >> carley: first of all, i want to say, just noticed this as we flashed up the pictures of the police officers who are being hailed heroes. if you look at all of them, they are so young. they have their whole lives ahead of them, and it is amazing to think about what they did, as the ticking time bomb was going down. they were still out there, getting people out of harm's way. like mollie said, this could have been so much worse. what we know about this suspect is coming largely from his neighbors, who say that he was a little bit odd, that he had a lot of surveillance cameras in

front of his house, and he even had put up a fence in front of his house, according to some eyewitness accounts. that's what we know about him. we will learn more as this investigation continues. the one other thing i want to say is that this bomb that went off in front of the at&t store did interrupt internet and cell phone service, and i think there does need to be some focus on that. it does highlight a connectivity issue we have in this country. if somebody wants to do something like that, it could affect a lot of people. it could affect hospitals. we might have an infrastructure issue on our hands that should be investigated a little bit more in light of this bombing. >> kennedy: at the great point, and that something people have talked about for years. our infrastructure vulnerabilities. it's scary to think about, that it's easy, obviously, for officials to turn a blind eye to it. lisa boothe, this has been such a tough year for police

officers. can you imagine if nashville were like seattle or minneapolis and they had defunded their police? and there weren't officers available to evacuate and check on some of these residents and get them out of the way before that happened? >> lisa: kennedy, you're so right in making that point. as carley pointed out, these police officers were responding to what they originally thought were shots fired. then they had this coming from the van, but this is what police officers do. they are heroes. they rushed to the scene and try to save lives, and in this instance they did save lives. they evacuated the area, whether it was a man walking his dog, going to the apartments and clearing them out, because that's what police officers do. yet what we have seen for months now, we have had democrats on the left really put a target on the backs of police officers, demonizing them, saying they are murderers, putting that message

out demonizing these police officers when this is what police officers do. it shouldn't have to take a bombing or something like this for police officers to get the recognition that they deserve. they are heroes, they deserve our praise, and i hope everyone looks at this incident and realizes that and really puts police officers and a point of praise as opposed to the criticizing and the demonization that we have seen for months now. >> kennedy: well said, lisa boothe. the house is set to vote just hours from now on increasing coronavirus aid to americans from $600 to $2,000 after president trump signed the relief bill but demanded more money go to certain americans. what the president promises to do to cut wasteful spending if congress does not. plus, why the defunded police movement is being blamed after a new york city officer is brazenly shot in the back. we've got more on that story and the growing concern over the safety of the nation's cops. that's all coming up. stay here. >> lack of support, defunding

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>> i'm asking congress to amend this bill and increase the ridiculously low 600 to $2,000, or $4,000 for a couple. i'm also asking congress to immediately get rid of the wasteful and unnecessary items from this legislation. >> kennedy: president trump they are spending the better part of the week railing against the size of the stimulus checks going out to the american people, and the billions in foreign aid and the massive spending bill before signing on sunday. members of the house are voting

today to replace the $600 check with $2,000 direct payments the president wants. but they want to address pork president trump wants to cut, it will force house members to go on the record of it or they support increasing the price tag after the president demanded it. what are the chances, ian, we see some support trimming from that massive omnibus bill? >> ian: look, we are spending, what, $10 million for gender studies in pakistan, and then giving $600 checks to american families, i think something needs to be done. the class needs to be, does nancy pelosi and her caucus actually get that done? or do they just increase the amount of money? i think they are going to put house republicans in a bit of a box, as we know, because people want those checks. the president has been railing against congress for quite some time now, so i think there's a good chance it could pass the house. but the senate is going to look

at that, and if there is no reduction in the massive amount of pork and federal aid that really we don't need right now for foreign countries and gender studies, i guess, i think it's going to be tough to get through without them coming to agreement where they remove that and really focus on the aid to families in america. >> kennedy: it's tough, though, lisa. the president, he likes bacon, apparently, because he asked for a lot of the spending in this bill. it's kind of a confusing message, but it's also incredibly necessary. you can't be spending money that we don't have, that neither party seems to have internalized that. >> lisa: well, and everyone seems to be avoiding what would actually kick-start the economy and help these small businesses and the americans that desperately need it, and that's reopening the economy. because there's not enough money out there to try to resuscitate the economy if we keep seeing

the lockdowns and closures like we see in cities like new york city or states like california. that's with the emphasis needs to be. a lot of americans are looking at congress right now and just seeing what an abject failure all of these people are. he looked at the bill that was passed by congress, it looks so much like the act that was introduced in july. we could have had this bill months ago, and they would have had more time to figure out the $2,000 checks for americans and also try to figure out a way to offset it. instead, we had people like nancy pelosi hold it up for political purposes to try to win and election, to try to do harm to president trump, because that was more important are then doing what was right by the american people. now we are almost out of runway because congress supposed to adjourn on january 3rd. we are past the election so there's not a lot of leverage to put political pressure on people. they've either already lost or they won reelection. so i don't know if this is going to get done. i think a lot of people can look at what congress has done in the

way had they have conducted themselves, and their failures. >> kennedy: obviously this could be used as a wedge, mollie, against senate republicans. maybe that is what the democratic caucus is doing, and certainly leadership is trying to force the hands of senate republicans and make the senate republicans look like -- which could bode badly for senators purdue and loeffler. >> mollie: i'm not sure that the major concern. unfortunately there is not any bipartisan consensus against increased spending. i think also that people recognize that, of all the things you could fund in this bill, having money for people who have had their lives destroyed by government shutdowns is not a big problem. the big problem is all the other spending. just a week ago you had president trump giving this excellent speech about the need for more help to actual americans who have been damaged

by this chinese coronavirus and less for all these pork projects overseas and whatnot. that's a politically advantageous message, but now i don't see congress during the second part of that. i see them doing the first part of increasing the payments to people who have been hurt, but there is no movement to actually get rid of this pork, and this has been a bill that is used as an excuse to lard up every single government spending program. this is how congress operates, and they hold that stimulus and that aid hostage as a way to get through what they really want, which is this massive spending and every agency and in every program, and they know people need this money, so they hold it hostage and get it together, but we had a week's delay and we'll get more stimulus, but not more of the cuts that would fund some of that. that is deeply unfortunate. >> kennedy: well said. who needs divided government when you've got plenty of piglets and the congressional trough?

you've raised a great point, and it makes you wonder, where are the conservative cost cutters? they are an endangered species in congress. carley, how does this all end up? >> carley: i think what president trump saw was the wild juxtaposition of $600 checks going out to americans, some of whom really need a lot of help right now, and you compare and contrast that to millions and billions of dollars being spent on things that no one would ever even consider being something that our taxpayer dollars would go to. the president saw that and said -- i think, rightfully so -- "this is wrong, we are in the middle of the crisis, let's increase the money sent to americans. if we're going to spend money, let's do that and decrease some of the other things." the only problem is that sound like a negotiation, and that should have taken place well before congress passed this bill. right now the president's options are really limited. it's anybody's guess, i don't think it's really smart to try

to predict what will happen in politics, especially in 2020, that if i could guess i would say $600 checks and the pork will be kept in the bill, it'll stay the way it is. >> kennedy: so much pork! all right, ian, do you see some of the moderate -- a couple, win or two of the moderate republicans in the senate, like susan collins or mitt romney, jumping over with senate democrats in voting for the increased checks? is that how this could pan out? >> ian: certainly could come up that i would look up for who is up for reelection in 2022. the last thing they want to do is give their opponents fodder for early attacks going into the midterm elections, which should be advantageous for republicans. i would look to some of those, whether it's north carolina. i know obviously susan collins and mitt romney are candidates, as well, they'd be interested to

see. and pat toomey in pennsylvania paid he's retiring, what's he going to do? is a bit of the wild card, as well. >> kennedy: there are so many wild cards. they wouldn't let them into a vegas casino. we got much more including president trump headed to georgia ahead of the runoff election and the historic battle for control of the senate and the world, as democrats announce record-breaking hauls of cash. will it matter? are panel debates. in california seeing a massive surge in coronavirus cases. the situation is so bad, some are being treated in hospital tents, holidays, and offices. why is this happening when california has some of the strictest covid restrictions in the nation? the panel weighs in. we'll solve it all, next. ♪ and buying your dream home, we'll be there to make it happen. we'll be there when you want better rates too. or to get money for retirement. we'll be there because

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>> lisa: a dire situation in california. more than 35,000 covid cases reported their sunday. hospitals pushed to the brink as

patients are being stacked in the hallways, gift shops, and conference rooms, in addition to tent hospitals. all of this has california has some of the strictest virus restrictions in the country, forcing many restaurants and small businesses to close. this, as critics question the science behind the orders. the head of the california restaurant association tells politico, "nationally there has been a kaleidoscopic application of every imaginal type of lockdown order, with calvin being the most restrictive and inflicting the most devastation on small businesses and the most economically vulnerable service workers, and still we are none the better as far as covid is concerned." i'm going to sit with you, looking at california, the fact they have some of the strictest restrictions, yet we are seeing covid cases skyrocket. do you think leaders like gavin newsom might rethink their strategy? >> ian: i think it's an interesting study here.

gavin newsom, who notoriously was out partying at french laundry while he has his state shut down, it really hasn't shown the kind of leadership tht you would hope for. the fact of the matter is it's like a parent and a child. when you tell somebody they can't do something, they are more likely to say, "you know what? it's been seven, eight, nine months. i'm going to do it anyway." if he suggests, he put down not restrictions but "here's how you can help slow the spread," i think you're more likely to get cooperation. that's what you seen in a lot of states. they're not locking people down, they're giving suggestions, best practices, but when you restrict people and what they can do, they are naturally going to ignore it, especially when he sees someone like gavin newsom who is supposed to be setting an example, he is out there partying while other people are suffering. >> lisa: but kennedy, even going back and looking at hospital data in new york back in march, it was something like 66% of the new admissions and people staying at home. this is the height of the

pandemic when people wear 100%, or largely following the rules that were put in place by people like governor cuomo. is it just people not following the rules, or is it just the fact that the coronavirus is an incredibly infectious virus and that's what viruses do? >> kennedy: that's a great point. the virus is incredibly mysterious still. even though researchers, scientists, and doctors have been studying it for a 10-11 months now, they still don't entirely have a handle on it. but we know that some things don't work. if you have vastly different states like tennessee, mostly open, it doesn't have a mask mandate, in california with essentially equal covid rates and hospitalization rates, you have to realize that maybe the lockdowns aren't the thing. maybe the real solution is more targeted. also, what people who are calling for the lockdowns haven't taken into consideration

is people are social, and there is a finite amount of time that people are going to stay inside. what happens is they are rediscovering house parties. they go to friends and family, they feel comfortable and safe there because they know everybody. that is when they let their guard down. if they were at restaurants wearing masks when they are not eating, covered in purell, they are less likely to contract the virus. >> lisa: and, mollie, these lectins have cut sconces for the small business is being shuttered right now. they have impact on the middle class being gutted right now by the massive consolidation of wealth at the top. what does this mean for our economy long-term? >> mollie: right, if lockdowns work in terms of public health, california would not be having a problem right now. but lockdowns work at its shutting down the economy. one of the thing so interesting about the california situation,

"the new york times" is reporting that, of these shortages in hospitals, a big part is staffing shortages. that's because something like one out of every seven nurses is unable to work because of the lockdowns of schools. if a lot of nurses have children, and their children aren't able to be at school, that means they can't be at the hospitals. people really haven't thought through the repercussions of these things. a lot of governors and mayors and other government officials want to look like they're doing something rather than actually following the science. there is no scientific basis for shattering schools. there is no scientific basis for shuttering restaurants for the reasons you already alleged. a small percentage was due to restaurants, they were shutting down. even though it's not something you would do if you are truly, genuinely following the science. the reality is this is a virus, it's going to behave as a virus, and it is not something as simple as what we have been told will keep these things under control. whether it's mask mandates were destroying small businesses so

that these large corporations can flourish. >> lisa: we look at even new york's own data, restaurants, indoor dining, only 1.5% of the spread. in california, outdoor dining is banned, yet there is no correlation between covid spikes and outdoor dining. so why are our leaders denying the science? >> carley: i think it's either fear or, like mollie said, this desire to look like you are doing something when you have no other options. even though it's a hurting cities and states and it should be happening. even though de blasio announced there would be school shut down, parents spoke out against this and said there is no correlation between schools and covid-19. we need to reopen the schools, and he did. maybe this message about restaurants will finally reach gavin newsom and de blasio. i am surprised there hasn't been a more organized effort.

somebody rich and famous needs to speak to these companies. they have done it with hollywood. hollywood is already making movies, and it's because they can get in the ear of these governors and say, "let's keep this industry open." there needs to be a leader out there who will speak to restaurant owners, because right now they are being forced to speak for themselves. >> lisa: we do see people raising money along with other private citizens, and gavin newsom is facing that recall effort, but we will see what comes with that and how much political pressure ramps up. moving on, the four candidates vying for georgia's two senate seats have raged majo to mike rs major money. but democrats have raised far more than the republicans. will it make a difference? and michelle obama graced the covers of 12 glossy magazines as first lady. guess how many first lady melania trump has gotten? the answer has the president up in arms. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> radical democrats, if they get power, they will immediately abolish the senate filibuster, allowing them to pass any bill they want, giving them free reign to ram through the most extreme left-wing agenda ever conceived while at the same time destroying our military through a lack of funding. >> kennedy: that was president trump earlier this month in georgia, and now he's heading back to campaign for republican senators david perdue and kelly loeffler one week from today. the eve of the runoff election. meantime, big money is pouring in for all four candidates come up democrats leading the way calling and more than $200 million in just two months for raphael warnock, and they raised money to unseat these republicans in major senate races in november, and they did not work. you remember, mollie, all the

money that poured into those campaigns against susan collins, against thom tillis, and they were supposed to have big payoffs and democratic control of the senate. will the money make a difference in a different way in georgia? >> mollie: i think of the michael bloomberg primary, where he spent so much money and failed to get a single vote when he was trying to get the democratic nomination for president, which could settle whether money alone can get you a victory. at the same time, these really are staggering amounts of money. i think it speaks to just how powerful the federal government is. you do not spend $200 million on the senate race if you don't think that you will get the power to deeply affect the way people live their lives, or benefit your corporations, hurt other people's corporations. it is a very problematic thing to have this much money spent on something that really shouldn't matter that much. and yet it does, because our

federal government has gotten so powerful. if you want to get rid of money in politics, the single best thing you could do is get the federal government to control less of the size and scope of government agencies and just have the size and scope of agencies be shrunk and not be able to have so much effect on how we live our lives and what we do. >> kennedy: absolutely. too big, too powerful, but there is so much at stake here, carley, trying to check the power democrats would have if they control the house, the senate, and the presidency. who has the momentum advantage right now going into the final week of this runoff election? >> carley: it is so close, it's definitely too close for comfort for kelly loeffler and david perdue. that's why president trump is going to be heading there the day before the election to try and drum up some last-minute support, which could potentially put them over the edge.

president trump has the ability to draw people to the polls in a big way, and his rallies are always very enthusiastic and very much trump-like. i do think it is funny how republicans -- i mean, there's rich people in both parties, but it's really funny how republicans are considered the party of the rich when there are so many big donors giving money to warnock and jon ossoff. republicans can also use that in their favor. they have been by saying, "are you going to let hollywood tell us georgians how we are going to live our lives?" i'd probably rather have the money than the talking point, but it's still a talking point that is effective and also quite true. >> kennedy: what is more effective in this race? what send these candidates over the top? is a divisive from the president? is a $200 million to annoy georgians to death with leaflets and tv commercials?

ian? >> ian: you know, i think if you look at some of the senate candidates that ran in november, whether it is sarah gideon, teresa greenfield and ila, cal cunningham, jamie harrison, the things they have in common, they all outraised their opponents. two, none of them are u.s. senators. i think the money certainly helps, but the message is more important. the message here is that ossoff and warnock are senators, you're going to end the legislative filibuster, pack the courts, grant d.c. statehood and the centers that come with it. perhaps puerto rico, as well. we are as a nation comes down to this runoff election in georgia. >> lisa: kennedy, we also need to keep in mind, to ian's point, the media and a lot of people on the left try to downplay the threat by saying joe biden is a moderate, but he is absolutely not a moderate. he abandoned his support of fracking, his support of the

amendment, and he chose kamala harris, the most liberal u.s. senator, to be his running mate. he is absolutely not a moderate. all those threats of what a democrat trifecta could do are absolutely real and should be a motivating factor for republicans to get out and vote in georgia. >> kennedy: do you want higher taxes, do you want the government to take your money and spend on things that won't improve your life at all? you have a choice, georgia. new concerns over whether the defund of the police movement is threatening the safety of our nation's cops, new york city police officers brazenly shot in the back. we've got more on that story just ahead. >> one, that's the question we have to ask and we have to answer. ♪ i'm not hungry!

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>> kennedy: police officers in the spotlight after a man shot a new york city cop twice in the back on christmas eve. the head of the nypd union said this is part of a disturbing trend, and points the finger at several things including continued calls to defend the police. >> why does a perp feel bold enough to shoot at a police officer? that the question have to ask and answer. there's a number of reasons this is happening.

lack of support on the streets, defending the police, they'll reform, lack of prosecution. that's why this is happening. they have no fear to pull out a weapon and shoot a gun. sometimes they're not the worst in the world, but they are still doing it. we'll have to stop saying we are lucky. >> kennedy: this, as we learned of an internal nypd memo warning that violent extremists might target cops in order to "exploit civil unrest." meantime in portland police officials say there is an unprecedented number of officers leaving the force. the assistant police chief says many officers simply don't want to work there anymore, after being villainize by defunded the police protesters. mollie, i want to get to you on this. you already have police officers, they don't make enough money, in my opinion. they go out and put their lives on the land to protect their communities, and when you look at places like portland, not only are they being villainize, you have the mayor, like ted wheeler, essentially stepping on their toes and making it

impossible for them to do their job. why would anyone want to be a cop in a city like portland, oregon? >> mollie: right, i think this defunded the police movement, it is a feature not a bug of the movement. if you go down to any of the city centers where blm riots and other protests have taken place, you see graffiti that wishes violence on police officers. there is a big sign wherever you go, "all cops are --" i'm not sure you can say that word. the illegitimate children euphemism. they wish violence on cops. this is something that is a direct result of some of these movements, which is unfortunate. it is very important to have healthy policing in a community and not having cops who feel emboldened toward violence in these types of things. these people have done so much to destroy those important efforts to have reasonable policing in communities, but i don't really know why anybody would want to go into this

profession at this time given how much your life is at risk and how you don't get a lot of support from, unfortunately, the city officials in the cities were much of the violence is taking place. >> lisa: ian, would you make of that? >> ian: i couldn't agree more. this rhetoric has a logical effect on police officers and police department's around the country. we're going to have his people that are less likely to put themselves in dangerous people that are most at risk, and then you have folks who are likely to quit the police force because they don't want to get sued into oblivion. they don't want to be a national story. the initial impact recruiting. instead of getting the top class of potential police officers, those people will opt to go somewhere else. you have to go down the applicant pool. the entire rhetoric serves to do two things, really. it endangers the police and the communities they serve. until our political leaders of

both parties -- that means democrat specifically -- start reducing this rhetoric in their speech, then we are going to continue to have this happen and we are going to continue to have flareups and lives are going to be lost. >> lisa: and, kennedy, a lot of the proponents of the defunded the police movement say they are doing it to help protect black americans, but unfortunately it's a lot of minority communities that will get hit the hardest by a decrease in police presence. what do you make of the fact that the very thing they are pushing actually hurts the people they say they're trying to help? >> kennedy: that's what we seen in seattle and minneapolis. spikes in vulnerable areas, and you've got elderly citizens he can't move out, and the cops aren't going to show up because they feel like they have been completely vilified. what could have been a really good time to have a conversation about criminal justice reform, which this administration has done great work on, and said we have lost the moment.

carley? >> carley: very quickly, we talk a lot about domestic issues that police officers face every day. you mentioned it, lisa, in the intro. earlier this month, the nypd learned about this al qaeda propaganda encouraging jihadists to use homemade bombs to target police officers to exploit civil unrest. i guess i'll leave you with that glaring fear and that glaring threat that terrorists are now using anti-police sentiment against them. so there are a lot of threats that police officers face every day that we aren't even aware of. >> lisa: great point, carley. moving on, calling out the major magazines for snubbing the first lady, the same magazines that gave at least 12 covers to michelle obama. whether the president's right to gripe. ♪

>> kennedy: president trump slamming the nation's glossy magazines for failing to give melania trump a cover. not even one cover during her time as first lady. she has not appeared on a single magazine cover through her husband's 4-year term, prompting the president to vent on twitter, sharing a tweet that blasted the major glossies as elitist snobs, and daily mail found that by contrast michelle obama grace at least 12 covers during her years in the white house, including three on "vogue" magazine alone. the last though discovery was november 2016 after president trump's victory. do you think the first lady is attractive and deserving of accolades like those? >> ian: of course. i think these magazines -- i'm not surprised, is anybody really surprised that the glossy

magazines are shutting out the trump family unless it's bad news? trying to appeal to their liberal market? that's what they do. that doesn't make it right, but i don't think anybody is surprised here. >> kennedy: that she's a really likable first lady, carley. she is lovely, she is tall, she has got great style. even if you don't like the president, don't you think there are people that are curious? even if they're not republicans, about her thoughts and would like to see her in maybe a different context? >> carley: yeah, she's also an actual model. [laughs] was just so funny that she's never been on the cover of a magazine during our time is the first lady. kennedy, you bring up a great point. even if you don't like her or agree with her, i'm sure you would still find what she has to say very interesting. i do have to say this does bring up a void in the media that there are no conservatives or fair-minded fashion magazines out there. i don't know, i think in 2021 somebody should start one, and i

will only take 20% of those profits, considering it was my idea. >> kennedy: okay, last thoughts. boothe, we have a couple seconds. >> lisa: the mainstream media is garbage. [laughter] it's a dumpster fire! >> kennedy: before we go, we really want to extend our condolences to our friend and colleague, harris faulkner, and her family. her father, lieutenant colonel bobby harris, passed away over the christmas holiday. he served two tours of duty in vietnam as an army officer and combat pilot. he was 83 years old, an incredible person. he was so inspiring to all who met him, and i didn't get to spend a lot of time with the colonel, but i am familiar with his best work. harris, all of our love goes out to you and your family. you are not alone. we are with you. bobby and charlie are united in heaven. thanks so much everyone here, and now let's go to another colleague, andy badass,

julie banderas and for harris. >> julie: my condolences to harris and her family, as well. fox news alert, investigators searching for a motive in the christmas day explosion that rocked downtown nashville. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkne julie banderr harris faulkner day. 63-year-old anthony quinn warner blew himself up in the explosion which injured at least three people and caused major damage to major homes and businesses. meantime authority say dna evidence and hundreds of tips from the public tied warner to the bombing. neighbors recognized the rv used in the explosion. investigators searched warner's home over the weekend. they say he likely did act alone. meantime, there is this. six nashville police officers are being hailed as heroes for risking their own lives to get people out of the area before the blast. >> i was