how the city is preparing for the inauguration? >> i can't speak to you with any specifics at this stage, micha michael. but we will be looking very closely at what we learned. what's happening at the capitol, working with congressional leadership and the presidential inauguration committee. >> thank you. >> but you did hear the secretary offer to come a very points already. that going around the capitol, nonscalable fencing will be in place for the inauguration. and of the guard strengths that will be coming this weekend. it will be available for the inauguration. >> which is a larger composition of personnel then you would have for a standard inauguration. >> thank you. just one follow-up there for

you, secretary mccarthy. no more than 30 days, that will be erected? >> at a minimum. we will work that in coordination with the city as well as the capitol. >> thank you. >> yes, mark? >> two questions for the secretary. one, trying to follow along, could you repeat the specifics about the fence? will it completely surround the u.s. capitol complex? the specifics, one more time. >> yes, constitution, independence first, and then the road and found by the pond. it will be all the way around. seven site. nonscalable. this is what was available. we worked through the solution yesterday. we were on the phone to get as quickly as possible the capability impossible to extend the perimeter of the national capital complex.

metropolitan police officers out into the streets. in the event that if this was to occur again, that we would have as much flexibility as possible, and we could take over the security positions. >> that she send the mayor said it was in their decision, but what can you tell us about the lack of preparation prior to yesterday's event? and why, and months prior, we saw troops surrounding the u.s. capitol, but yesterday, we didn't see anything. why were there no troops or any other backup security that, yesterday, given what we all knew in the public domain. you must have better intelligence than we did, but we all knew that this was possible. >> we rely on our intelligence from local police, obviously, but with respect to the

precoordination, to the mayor's point, those things are all being looked at. there were discussions previously with the capitol police and others, the d.c. national guard. different branch of government, so they have to be requested to come onto the grounds. >> yes? >> mayor bowser, crying to me as i am wrong. i understand with the public emergency, that is going to be kind of the day-to-day decision, is that correct? >> yes, on the curfew question. >> what can residents expect over the next, you know, weeks or so? i know there is supposed to be another event around the inauguration, but in the interim, what are you expecting? when should i get groceries? walk my dog? what do you foresee? >> d.c. residents should go about living their lives. if there is a need, as over the

weekend, leading up to this, to ask them to stay away from certain areas, i will do that. i don't have that request at this stage, so right now, we want them to go about their lives. they signed up for our alert system. >> yes, thank you, mayor. we would really encourage our residents and any visitors to the district of columbia to sign up for alert d.c. and that can be done at -- and that's the way that, what the mayor and the chief were saying, during an emergency situation, and certainly with the mayor declaring an emergency declaration, we will push real-time information to our residents and visitors through alert d.c. >> let me just say something also, very specifically, we asked -- we asked our residents not to participate in counter protest. we asked our residents not to,

even regional residents and their county executives and leaders asked him not to participate in counter protest. and i know for a lot of people, that was a hard thing to do because they wanted to fight back. but just imagine if our police had to also police though, you know, protests against the people who siege to the capitol. so it was very important that the police could focus on them. so we are going to continue to ask our residents to listen to our guidance, but go about your lives. d.c. government, already on modified operations because of code or facilities that are having in-person activities activities continue to do so. >> how upset does it make you to see the federal response on black lives matter during the protests there and around

juneteenth and then see yesterday, and by comparison. he mentioned that earlier. how upset does it make you? >> what i'm upset about -- i'm upset about what this president has done to our city and our democracy. i am -- and you know, i am not prone to wild swings of emotion because we have somewhere to do to find out what happened to make sure it doesn't happen again. and that's my job right now. and that's the job of everybody here. i'm upset that my police officers were put in harm's way. when they were just doing their jobs. >> secretary -- >> i'm even upset that somebody died in that building who is breaking into the building. we should all be upset about all of those things. i am heartened that our police and guards people were able to get control of the building and that our lawmakers went back into the building to vote.

i'm upset that 706,000 residents of the district of columbia did not have a single vote and that congress yesterday, despite the fact that our people were putting their lives on the line to protect our democracy. that is how upset we all should be. >> how slow did things move yesterday? i mean, it must upset you that there wasn't a more ratcheted up response, pacifically at the capitol, but then secretary mccarthy spoke about a delay at getting federal forces into the district. how would you classify it? >> have classified it already. i think a more robust presence on the ground of the capital would have prevented people from getting into the building. yes? >> mayor, it's one thing to have a more robust presence on the ground, but when we have capitol police just seemingly letting

people inside, and then to hear that we only have 13 arrests for unlawful entry. it's one thing to have several officers on the ground, but they are not as effective as possible he should be. >> i think you laid out another question that i will be subject to investigation. i think that's an important question. we not only need people. we need effective deployment of those people. >> mary, what do you know about these groups like proud boys, qanon, where they involved in tg the people arrested? >> i don't know that we can say that right now. >> i don't know if we can say that right now. i think it safest to say that we had certainly people who were like-minded with all of the rhetoric that has been going on, that did what they did at the

u.s. capitol yesterday, but i won't give credit to any particular group. >> what where the injury numbers? >> four police officers, initially, we were at 14 initially, the number went up to about 56 over the course of the night, and i've got to tell you, there was a lot of valiant fighting by the members of the metropolitan police department. at one point, several officers, as a result of pepper spray and tear gas, being able to step off the line entry as quickly, back on the line to try to ensure the safety and security of our capitol building. just a tremendous amount of heroic acts. one officer who is still in the hospital right now. he was snatched into a crowd. he was beaten. he was kicked. he was tased several times. so yeah, they fought very hard

yesterday. >> 56 mpd officers? >> that's correct. >> yes? >> clarification on the arrests. i'm seeing that 25 arrests were made for curfew violations and unlawful entry. i'm wondering if there were any arrests made just for unlawful entry, or if all of those were curfew violation? >> all of the arrests that occurred after 6:00 p.m., the initial group of 25 or 26, whatever it was, those arrests were right on the capitol grounds. this was after the mayor's curfew was in effect. we gave the order. individuals were still there. individuals were still there. replace those individuals who were there, we placed him under arrest. mpd was able to do that. and the goal is for us as we were able to secure the perimeter and have a strong perimeter, to make arrests and then start working our way out. the balance of the, working

through the streets of the district of columbia to ensure the safety and security of their businesses and residents, especially in the immediate areas surrounding the capitol and some of the areas where we know that some of the that were involved in this work congregating. mpd were able to make additional arrest is the course of the night. >> there were no arrests made for those who unlawfully entered the capitol building until 6:00 p.m.? >> that's correct. >> i think people are confused about the low number of arrests. can you explain a little about why those numbers are so low? what happened? did people leave? is this an issue of not having enough people? >> i can tell you, not many people have been in the midst of a riot or insurgents like that. the first thing you have to do is regain control. you have to establish control of the situation that was going on. the men and women of the metropolitan police department

went into a situation that was already out of control. so once control was established and that perimeter was established, then and only then are we able to safely make arrests. because as you begin to make arrests, we get into additional use of forces, additional injuries of officers, and potential additional injuries of the people that we intend on arresting. we have a responsibility to ensure the safety and security, abide by the constitution and all of that, and we intended to do that. so we made the arrest in front of the capitol. we made additional arrests, and we will continue to work with our federal partners. there are a lot of people that we have listed on our website. there are a lot of people that are in these images, and we know that there are people across this country who can identify these individuals. this is where the community comes in. these are clear images. some of these images, there's no mistake about who some of these people are, so we are asking our communities to call in. whether it is here in the

district of columbia or west coast, it doesn't matter. call in to local fbi office, identify these individuals, and let's hold them accountable. >> yes? yes, sir? >> associated press. mayor bowser, if you were governor, how would yesterday have gone differently for you? what way do you have been able to do differently, and what kind of the time -- >> the difference would be when we become the 51st state or before then, our congresswomen has a bill in the congress right now to give the mayor control of the d.c. national guard. what's different is we would not make requests to the secretary of the army for current support. we would not be restricted in any way for how to deploy the card. so we would not have to wear deployment with the secretary of the army. we could be nimble and how we

change it. if we have a deployment plan that was approved, for example, limited the card. so, 109th street. if we find out during the course of the response that that needs to change dramatically, then i, as mayor/governor, would make that determination. that's not a big difference. while waiting to be different as governor would be my ability to put the national guard -- >> harris: so, we have been watching the day after news conference by the d.c. mayor and police chief. you saw the army secretary there as well, and as we listen to them, we got a lot of information about how things went down and my questions continue to bubble up. a lot of questions today, including some from this very panel. let's get started. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. today, kennedy, tomi lahren,

leslie marshall, and newt gingrich, on the virtual cash, former speaker of the house. welcome, everybody. newt, i want to start with you, and as we see pictures of people in the speaker's chair, you where the speaker of the house. what goes through your mind? >> newt: well, i was serious. i am furious. every person who broke into the capitol has to be arrested and has to be prosecuted. this is the center of freedom on the whole planet. it's a symbol for everybody. and what happened yesterday was utterly, totally inexcusable. people should be locked up and punished, and i'm delighted that they are increasing the preparations for the inaugural because we have to make absolutely certain nothing like this happens again. as a former house member, as well as you point out, former speaker, i have found it

enraging that people who are clearly not patriots, people who are destructive, barbarians, and frankly, criminals. they should be treated that way and locked up. i'm very proud of the capitol police that they clearly needed a lot more reinforcement yesterday. >> harris: leslie, i come to you, and following the former speaker of the house, we all have a good opportunity now to really understand what it must be like to not just be a visitor or tourist to you that hallowed political ground, and i'm curious to know your topline thoughts. >> leslie: i thought what i was seeing yesterday -- i agree with newt 100%. good morning, everybody. i thought it was surreal. i couldn't imagine. children were asking -- my daughters were asking if we were going to war. my son asked me are those the bad guys? people throughout the world, watching, what they must think.

i agree that that was not patriotism. that was violence. that was vandalism. what was upsetting -- there's so many things that are upsetting, but here is, when you look at the video, it's clear that these police officers were outnumbered. thethere were also some images t are very upsetting to some. i've seen images of the gates opened, women being helped down the stairs, selfies being taken. a lot of questions that have to be answered. somebody tweeted, and it really frightened me, "i wonder what isis thinks of this." because it just looks so easy for these individuals to access our capitol, and it shouldn't be. >> harris: you know, kennedy, yesterday, of course there was wild audio because there are cameras everywhere. i mean, the media need not even show up if you want to get great pictures and audio, other than to perhaps frame it and have some good questions. it was just all over the place

yesterday. as you look at it, people were telling their names, stories, telling about the revelation. some of them. and again, what leslie just said, and i echo it, people who don't love this country, will look outside of america, think about what they saw yesterday? >> kennedy: they saw that we are easily overrun by idiots. and that is incredibly unfortunate. and i still kind of shake my head at law enforcement not anticipating this because this was pretty clearly telegraphed. it wasn't a surprise that from the president's rally to the capitol, and it's one thing to protest and wave flags and let the world know that you want your voice to be heard and that you're upset about something. it is another thing to try and overtake the capitol by force.

thinking that you are going to change something or thinking that it is going to end well because really, all you're doing is hastening the end of the movement that a lot of people felt necessary, but now, in the aftermath of this, that was ridiculous. >> harris: you know it's interesting, tomi, and you and i have talked about this on the program before, for those americans who voted for president trump and really wanted to drill down on the voting process and the objections that were anticipated on the house and senate floor, really the house floor. then debate separately, the first objection from arizona. this did bring that to a halt. and in fact, when you heard from kelly loeffler, senator from georgia last night, it changed the tone and the trajectory of the entire conversation among the lawmakers. >> tomi: now, it absolutely

did, and i have to tell you, heirs, i spend most of yesterday sick to my stomach. the people out there doing that, the trump supporter is mixed in with agitators, whoever these people were, they are not patriots. they are not representative of the silent majority and our movement, and i am heartbroken to think that some trump supporter stuff that i was a respectable behavior. we respect the law and order. we respect property. we respect human beings. that is not the legacy of donald trump that we saw yesterday. that is not the legacy of the silent majority, and that is not representative of the millions of americans who couldn't be in d.c. yesterday. people like me. people like my parents. people from nashville, tennessee, and everywhere else across this nation. we were tied yesterday. went to her, looked at the beautiful seems of the morning and saw so many patriots out there listening to the present, and then it turned into this. i'm disgusted. i am appalled. i really hope we can get our mizzen back together because we certainly need to do so, and we need to talk about things that are very important that you brought up, like election

integrity. those things don't go away because of this, but they lose some of their merit and shine because of what happened. that's why people like me are so disgusted and so frustrated. the message has been lost, and hopefully we can get it back. i know i'm going to be trying. >> harris: all right. president trump is now committed to an orderly transition of power on january 20th following that chaotic day in washington, d.c. it wasn't until security officials clear the u.s. capitol that members of congress could finish part of what they started that afternoon. as tomi and i were just talking about, that was the certification of the electoral college votes, and president-elect joe biden's win. would there be more objections? so on and so forth. it wrapped up after 3:00 in the morning, and we now have -- let's turn now to chief white house correspondent john roberts for more on this. john, good to see you today. >> harris, good afternoon to you

today. i have talked to a lot of republicans in the last 18 hou hours. growing belief amongst many of them that the president's political future went up in smoke along with the tear gas and riding on capitol hill yesterday. he was supposed to address the republican national committee and then media tonight. that is not going to happen. i am told by people on the ground that the president still does enjoy a lot of support in the republican national committee. in washington, it is a completely different dynamic. the president's former attorney general, william barr, with a scorching statement last hour, saying "orchestrating mob to pressure congress is inexcusable. the president's conduct yesterday was a betrayal of his office and supporters. his acting dhs secretary, chapel, urging the president to do more if you'd sing "what happened yesterday was tragic and sickening. i implore the president and all elected officials to strongly condemn the violence."

now, coincidentally, this morning, the full secretary of dhs was withdrawn, though i am told by deputy press secretary that withdrawal occurred yesterday and was not related to wednesday's event. the acting secretary's comments this morning, he continues in that job. certainly, though, there is a growing list of administration officials who are resigning from their jobs, including that plunger. deputy of national security. let's go left or right here. mick mulvaney, former white house chief of staff who was the northern ireland -- stephanie grisham, chief of staff to the first lady. matt plunger who we mentioned. sarah matthews, who was a deputy press secretary. who was the white house social secretary. john castello from the commerce department. ryan tilley, who was the senior director of the national security council. facebook has suspended the

president -- facebook and instagram accounts. twitter is considering doing the same thing. his account frozen, he had to go to -- and tried to calm the waters after the electoral college vote was certified in the early hours. the president saying "even though i totally disagree with the outcome of the election, nevertheless, there will be an orderly transition on januar january 20th." the white house saying "though it has grieved the loss of life that happened yesterday and extend sympathies to the families of loved ones. we also continue to pray for a speedy recovery for those who suffered injury." senior staff here at the white house, crossing administration, wrestling with a difficult choice. do they resign because of what happened yesterday, or do they stay in their offices to help ensure an orderly transition of power on the 20th? there is also a fear that if some of the senior staff people where to resign, that may be the

president put somebody in their place who would not act with the professionalism and commitment to the constitution that they are, so that's what a number of senior staff are wrestling with now. the president is going to camp david this weekend. same time i sent my alertin seny leader chuck schumer appeared some republican senators who are mulling over the idea that it could happen quickly, but not sure anything like that will transpire. harris? >> harris: all right. less than two weeks ago. john roberts, thank you very much. newt gingrich, less than two weeks away from what the president promises will be a smooth transition of government, something that this country has known for tens of years, what about those resignations? is it time for the people to go? find other jobs, get out, so to speak, before the end of that administration, or would you

hope that they would stay? >> newt: well, i hope that they would stay because we have an entire mechanism of government. you have to have somebody to talk to you in the transition. their number one focus should be coming everything down. their number to focus should be on helping the biden team move at a very way. the united states still has to function. we have worldwide commitments. we have huge, complex operatio operations. air traffic control system. you don't want to have an exodus that leaves you unable to function. at the same time, i think all of them have to keep reminding the president, i think after last night and after that level of violence, the president has to be a calming influence, which is not normally then his focus. but i think in the last two weeks, he needs to really adopt a position of a caretaker who is

calmly helping the country make the transition. maybe not a transition we wanted to transition that's a fact and that all of us as americans have to find some way to help happen. >> harris: wow. you know, kennedy, as i look at this, i wish for two backdrops. one, that the authorities, and i know the new jersey has just sent 500 men and women from our national guard. new york, across the hudson river. to help out. and all of that, getting to the bottom of the individuals actually were interesting them. not based on what you think their jerseys have, but based on video and what we know happened and who we can see and identify and make arrests as criminals. the other part of the backdrop is i just hope that we can begin to talk about the 74 plus million and the 80 plus million as americans. and get someplace.

>> kennedy: i think it's really important to look forward because we have to. and we have to see what happened yesterday, how much that changes the conversation now. how much it changes the movement that the president led. and i have to say, after the losses in georgia, after the speech yesterday that we sat there, which i thought was full of self-pity and rambling and incoherence, he can no longer be the leader of this movement. i think is it is unacceptable for members of his party to say that he should run again in 202, and i think that's why ted cruz and josh hawley were positioning themselves with some of the objections to the electoral certification, because they want to be the ones to run the party. they are saying we understand why you felt disenfranchised, and we need to yield the party and look forward. something has to happen moving forward because what we've got

right now isn't working, and you can't ignore it and just assumed it's going to go back to 2012, g.o.p., mitt romney times. that's never going to happen. and so, who is going to emerge as the phoenix from these ashes? these painful ashes. that remains to be seen, but it cannot be this president. >> harris: fascinating, tomi. you can't go forward by going backwards and then trying to go forward again. i think that's what she said. >> tomi: yeah, you know, and i respect what she said. i obviously disagree. what happened yesterday does not make me love my president any less. i think he could have handled it better. i'm very disappointed in some of my fellow trump supporter's. however, i think the legacy of this president is one of greatness, and i think that this movement is one of greatness. yesterday was a tarnish on it. it was a scar and a stain, but we will move forward. we will remember who we are, and

we will still look to donald trump as being a great president, though yesterday was obviously a failure. we're going to move forward with patriotism, election integrity. we are going to do it the right way, act like who we know we are with their character and our principles. >> harris: you want to see him run again in 2024? >> tomi: i don't know if that's the best idea, given all of this, but we are going to need a leader that is trump-like. someone who is unapologetically and unabashedly conservative. whoever that may be, i hope they rise from the ashes and take on the challenge because we certainly need a leader. many leaders right now. >> harris: all right. just ahead, democrats have won back senate majority for president-elect's joe biden to enact his progressive agenda. well the next four years be a complete unraveling of president trump's policies? ♪

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>> kennedy: the big dreaded shift in power. placing the senate under their party's control make it easy for biotin to unravel many of president trump's policies. all right, so, speaker gingrich, let me go to you first. it is not going to be the senate of old where there was a 50/50 split. are democrats going to maintain control of the committee positions? how is this going to work? >> newt: well, i think they will control the chairmanships, and depending on how tough-minded schumer and get his caucus to be, they can get an amazing amount done. i think that we have to recognize that. just watch pelosi passed some very radical rules, even though she has a very narrow majority

in the house. it is more than just undoing trump. they have all new agenda that is more radical, goes way beyond any reforms trump was trying to deal with. and i think they are pretty committed. for example, raphael warnock, the senator, up again in two years. so in georgia, just exactly how radical can they get him to vote and hope to get him reelected in two years? so i think there is always a balance with the american people. and i think that's part of what will weigh on them. they are going to be very risk-taking and push very hard to get a very, very bold agenda. >> kennedy: so, tell me about that agenda, leslie. how do you see this shaking out? republicans are obviously very worried that it is going to be a radical transformation, not only of politics but of the economy, for generations.

so, why would independents or republicans glee for a moment that democrats, now that they have a hetrick, or as lindsey graham said, that trifecta from hell, why would they practice moderation? >> leslie: history. although scaremongering and political campaign he doesn't usually turn out to be true, or at least not 100%. joe biden and the majority of democratic voters like myself isentress, moderates. they are not radicals. they are not progressives. it's, some of the things that president-elect biden is putting forth, and democrats, and many republican support. whether that is the raising of minimum wage, whether that is coming up with a final solution for doctor recipients do not have to remain in limbo. there are those that want the wall built, but the biden administration, that is going to

put billions of dollars back into the pockets, and during the pandemic, people want that. speaking of pockets, they definitely want more than $600 from the stimulus checks. they want that too thousand dollars, and that, i believe they will get. >> kennedy: what about senator harris like joe manchin? they certainly come from the kind of states where progressivism hasn't caught fire like it has in places like california. are they the last best hope of their fellow moderate republican senators? >> harris: so, just real quickly, having sat down with both of them not too long ago, most recently joe manchin, it's about how do you replace an industry that is having good jobs? that is his focus, so, so he says a lot of the politics are so different in his state because so much of it is economic.

arizona is a different thing. we saw it go a little purpleish, as he would say, kennedy, but kyrsten sinema, 60% of the time, voted with president trump. so, i am curious to see, going forward, who she is on the flo floor. >> kennedy: yeah, it would be nice to get some answers from some of the senators on things like floor packing. time will tell. we will be on the edge of our seats. all right, stay with us. in the wake of the violent rioting, there are new calls to dial down the rhetoric and address voters very real frustrations. what has to happen moving forward? that panel weighs in. >> i think it's absolutely incumbent on us to make sure, as elected officials, that we hear the other side, and that we try to address the other side's issues. that wasn't done, with the frustration that the trump voters had over the selection. and it was a mistake. ♪

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>> harris: after yesterday's violent protest inside the capitol building, some lawmakers say we need to do a better job at debating sensitive issues and making sure everybody's voices are heard. republican congressman tim buck, from last night he had speak red >> having a think impeachment that really had no factual basis. it just led to this frustration. and i'm not saying it excuses what happened today. i think it is incumbent upon us, as elected officials, that we try to address the other side's issues. that wasn't done with the frustration that the trump voters had over the selection, and it was a mistake. >> harris: i've got to tell you, tomi, this is a conversation we been having is

november 4th, the morning after. and where are you on it? >> tomi: we definitely need to do a better job of listening to one another, and i find it really disappointing that the events of yesterday really overshadowed a lot of the issues that people like myself and trump supporter's myself want and need to be taken seriously, but what was done yesterday by storming the capitol and being really disorderly and discussing, that overshadowed the movement. that is not the answer. that did nothing. that set us back. what you guys should be doing, cowardly and lazy, you should be doing the hard work. recalling your mayors and governors if you don't like their edicts. you should be sending messages to your senators and house of representatives that you don't want radical agenda items, and you will be watching how they vote. we have the power to do this the right way. we do need to listen to the frustrations of trump supporter's because we really have to make sure that moving forward, we have elections.

i will continue to beat the drum. what happened yesterday does not take away from that fight that is ahead of us. we just have to do it the right way. >> harris: you know, tomi, like i always say, great ideas come from everybody. you never know which corner of the room. i'm just going to put out there, there are things that this president has done, that will overshadow that as we look back. kennedy. >> kennedy: unfortunately, yesterday will overshadow that. though the president already had, obviously, big tech and big media against him and sort of justified that with his actions yesterday. i have to say, we were taking speeches from capitol hill from the vice president and the majority and minority leaders and the vice president had such an appropriate tone. he was condemning what happened yesterday but also saying this is an incredible country, and we are resilient, and we are going

to work together and move forward. you know it? we have to. we have no choice. we didn't hear from the president appropriately yesterday. we do need leadership. but after what happened yesterday and police shot and almost killed, they called to be brought down then but back to a raging boil. i honestly have lost faith that whoever is in elected office right now is capable of that. >> harris: newt, we have just about a minute left. i was reading your twitter page earlier. you have some things to say about the vice president.com ii. >> newt: i was really struck that it was a profound courage. he understood that he swore an oath to uphold the constitution, not to uphold a party or personality or philosophy. i think he is very deeply religious man. i think he prayed on it, and despite the president pretty aggressively pushing him around

in public, he did what he thought was right, and i thought it was very admirable. whether you agree or disagree, you absolutely knew that he did what was right. just released a newsletter where i have his entire statement after they came back into session after the violence. it's a beautiful two paragraphs and contradict captures exactlyt of america. it may have been mike pence is best. >> harris: tomi, i'm right there with you that we've got to talk and listen to everybody. you never know where the great ideas are going to come from here just ahead, democrats sweeping georgia, transforming the state's political landscape. or not. is georgia a new swing state? ♪ is that net carbs or total?... eh, not enough fiber...

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>> harris: a potentially seismic shift in the once reliably red state of georgia after democrats jon ossoff and raphael warnock are projected to win their races in the runoff

there which effectively gives democrats a majority in the chamber and complete control of the government if you factor in when there's a timeout because there is on either side, the new vice president-elect, kamala harris would decide about. this comes just weeks after joe biden was able to edge out president trump and become the first democratic presidential candidate to win the state since bill clinton in 1992. newt gingrich, is georgia a new swing state, or not? >> newt: no, i think it is a swing state. part of it is because stacey abrams has done a brilliant job of organizing and getting people happy about. i also think that republicans have to be much more aggressive about really solving the problems of the suburbs and helping people. i think it's been a really fascinating to use. it is only a two year term because of completing the term senator johnny isakson.

whether he can survive in an off year, and you are going to have stacey abrams, if she wants it, the democratic nominee for governor. on the republican side, i think, it can bronze again, it will be a really, really tough primary. i think a lot of things will be up for grabs in georgia, come 2022. >> harris: you, i want to ask you about the president's role in georgia. there was so much made out of him as a kingmaker in certain places across the country. why didn't it turn out this way in georgia? with the president on the ground, hours before -- >> newt: he was a kingmaker in terms of the republican primary. kemp, for example, was nowhere until trump endorsed him. governor desantis was a dark chorus until trump endorsed him. inside the republican party, trump is still an enormously powerful figure. and i set it at that time.

i thought it was an enormous mistake for mcconnell to not bring up the $2,000 that the president had proposed. i sat at the time i thought it might cost us a few seats. populace and rural georgia, and they've been hurting. they can find billions for the big banks and billions for the airlines. they can't find any money for me. i think it hurt significantly and gave warnock and ossoff a very easy talking point. brought up in the senate, voted on it, could have won both senate races. >> harris: we have 30 seconds left. i'm dying to know what you think mcconnell didn't do that. >> newt: i have no idea. it's a great question. and i hope he thinks it was worth becoming minority leader. because i think it was that big of a factor. >> harris: wow. everybody, thank you. i know yesterday was a big day.

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>> harris: directly from the president, a promise to an orderly transition of power on january 20th. after congress affirmed resident is like joe biden's win overnight. "outnumbered overtime," now, i'm harris faulkner. cleanup underway. tensions running high, still, after what is typically a formality for members of congress, descended into cass yesterday. and when began with the president urging support is too much to the capitol and protest the election results. we showed you all about live right before this show. just hours later, bob stormed into