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can bundle up. >> or tweet until you can. we thank everyone in blue who defends us. hope everyone has a great saturday and join us tomorrow. ♪ neil: good morning, everybody. if you're looking at the capitol and trying to digest events, also keeping a close eye on the president of the united states. he's at the white house. second to last saturday at the white house. this, of course, when we have social media shutdown. we will explore. welcome, everybody, i am neil cavuto. my thanks to friend david asman
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for filling in the last couple of weeks. in fact, some saying, tell me neil isn't back today. that was from my wife. that was totally not necessary. and the fear, the growing fear here of the crack-down on the president and essentially shelving him from social media is meant to favor democrats, and go ahead and defend the president of the united states. there might be to it than that. it might come down to this, money. a lot of the guys are concerned that they might be held liable for some of the violence that ensued because they were carrying the president's remarks. it might not be a strange as you think. we will be getting into that in just a second. first i want to go to david spunt at the white house on how the president may be preparing well for a crack-down, david. david: no question that donald
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trump will be known as the twitter president. he's made policy decisions, he's hired, he's fired and even pardoned people through twitter. that has been primary means but the social media organization completely suspended his account yesterday. he no longer has access to that platform leaving some 88 million of his followers unable to get his regular updates from him. sometimes dozens of updates a day. several other trump-related accounts are also gone, neil, house speaker nancy pelosi is moving forward with a second impeachment effort of the president. that would be the first time in history if he's impeached a president would be impeached twice. pelosi is hoping to introduce articles of next week if the house impeaches the house again which is entirely possible the senate would hold another trial but that may not be until after joe biden becomes president. if president trump is convicted, he cannot run again for public
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office. the white house responding to effort yesterday as president trump said yesterday, meaning thursday, this is a time for healing and unity as one nation, politically motivation impeachment against a president who has done a great job with 11 days remaining in his term will under divide our country. coming from deputy white house secretary john. there are controls, several controls in place regarding the nuclear launch codes. pelosi is worried about the president acting in anger. she said in a statement to colleagues yesterday, the situation of this unhinged president could not be more dangerous and we must do everything that we can to protect the the american people from the unbalanced assault in our country and democracy. that coming from house speaker nancy pelosi. as for president trump, will we hear from him today, will we hear from him much over the few
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days? he's been in front of the camera, he's been tweeting, these things we have not seen from him but as you mentioned at the top of the show. he's not at camp david. he's here at the white house. second to last weekend in office. neil. neil: so, david, how would we hear from him if he's shut out of social media. obviously would have to make a statement from the white house, the only way he can do that, he's bypass in the past to go to the american people but his only options are to do a live thing, right? david: some kind of statement through the press office, that's what we saw with presidents typically in the past or he could make a statement on television but declined to do any any type of live statement since what many are calling a siege, several days ago, instead releasing pretaped twitter videos to the american people, social media videos. he has yet to do any type of
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oval office address. he can say i want to make an oval office address and the networks would carry to see what he has to say. neil: he's still the president of the united states. david, gate reporting, thank you very much. in the meantime as he outlined here, twitter permanently suspending the president's account, not the only one, by the way, basing it on the risk of further incitement of violence. now, keep in mind, this guy better than 85 million followers. silent, stopped, a lot of people are raising about that. might this have been driven by cover your hinny kind of deal, much more than being a target of the president of the united states, the twitter and some of the other entities are concerned, maybe still concerned about getting sued by all the violence that ensued because of some of the inflammatory language of the president or
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that's what they will fall back without saying it. let's go to carley shimkus, headlines 24/7 reporter with chris ruby with us, social media expert. ruby media ceo. last but not least katie, katie, to you first. is that a legitimate and genuine concern to take account down to protect itself than to target the president? >> i don't think that's a fear. twitter and big-tech companies enjoy liability protection of users posts because of federal law. twitter wants to have its cake and eat it too and join the protections but also moderate content, of course, they are a private company so when we are talking free speech, it's not the same thing as government
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regulation. twitter can regulate things like hate speech which are protected under the first amendment, but when you have a company making decisions, where does that really end and where is the law going to stop them and actually impose liability? neil: you know, carley, you can look at this and say, all right, you might be losing that 230 protection and ahead of that, you might be doing something like this to show that you're very cognizant about the risks that you employ running such a large social media concern, what do you think? carley: yeah, i think it's more simple than that. i think social media companies are doing something that they wanted to do for a long time and president trump handed them the gift of an excuse because what happened on wednesday was horrible, disgusting and the platforms are saying they are censoring president trump and other conservatives as a matter of public safety be where were
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they during the riots over the summer. if they cared about public safety, the rioters and politicians who supported them should have met with the same bands, kamala harris used twitter to fund raise to get protestors and rioters out of prison, so this is purely political, neil. it's really concerning that this country works because of two-party system, the balance of power, somehow we meet in the middle. what happens when the town square is filled with liberal voices and that's what happened overnight. every major platform began total purge of conservative thought. this creates a lot of problems within our country, it tears people further apart and externally, how does this look from the standpoint of other nations, our adversaries where their leaders, iran's leader is allowed on twitter but our president is not. neil: yeah, that's a very good point. that has come up a good deal.
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chris, another thing that comes up is the idea that a lot of these guys, a lot of the social media companies might be trying to curry favor with democrats, incoming democrat administration, senate takeover, a run at the table, the democrats, they might have figured this will maybe get the helms for a while if we go away after donald trump on talk of basicking us up -- breaking us up and doing all that. do you think that's come in the calculation here? >> i completely agree with you, neil. this is more a pr stunt for twitter and big-tech companies in general. if they truly cared about user safety and privacy and protection, where were they as carley said over the summer or a year ago or any other time in the past year when protestors rights were going on in their platforms. this is going to be a democrat-led house, they are sort of cracking the whip on getting rid of twitter --
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voices, conservative right, and that's what we are seeing. what's interesting here is that we have a very unfortunate situation where silicon valley now thinks that they are more powerful than the president of the united states of america and at one point we saw president trump go back on twitter under the official u.s. government owned twitter account. twitter instantly deleted tweets within minutes. that's scary. my advice to americans here, if this can happen to the president of the united states of america, what makes you think that you are not next and that it can't happen to you too? so you really want to focus on creating content that you own rather than on the rented platforms that you have basically no control over and really the big question on my mind, what is the difference between freedom of speech and freedom of reach, right? they go hand in hand with each other and how do you differentiate at this point? neil: you know, katie, we did reach out to twitter. we've gotten no calls back.
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we reached out to parlor, alternative social media site seen as conservative site but actually it's open-ended to anyone and everyone, you want to say something, they'll put it up there. google to app store has taken it down, apple is warning them they better moderate content or risk the same. what do you make of that? >> sounds like this is a free market issue at this point with a lot of the media forms and i think there's going to be a lot of lawsuits and how those resolve will hopefully tell us a bit more about how we are all going to be able to move ahead and have our voices heard. it's a difficult debate when you have private companies involved with people making speech because, again, they're not liable under the first amendment in the same way that a government actor would be but yet they have such pull and power. we need to let the free market work here and let the companies ensue and see where the chips fall. neil: you know, carley, i mean
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wondering if it gives people a pause in social media in general, they feel that it might be screened or anything that you say might come back to haunt you, could it backfire on all the social media companies? carley: yeah, the problem is that where else can you go, everybody likes social media, everybody wants to be on twitter, facebook and instagram to talk to their friends and there really are no other options. neil: how about picking up the phone and calling? carley: the old rotary phone? neil: how did you know? i don't know if they are going to pick up the phone but might think twice about it. carley: maybe snail mail will come back, who knows. i do want to say something from a standpoint, they are complicating thicks. in early days of twitter and
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facebook, you would get off platforms, punished for a period of time if you posted the obvious bad things, violent threat, terroristic message, nudity, something like that. and it has since changed where these big-tech platforms have declared themselves the arbiters of truth and if you say something that goes against what their social media censors say is wrong. you were talking about parlor, it's a big deal. apple and google have stepped in and they are essentially trying to put them out of business. parlor may not be perfect if there are threats posted on the platform. that needs to change but it really does seem that all of the censorship is happening in one direction and there's no balance to the decisions. neil: we will watch it closely,
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ladies, thank you very much coming on a saturday digesting all of this. this is a social media industry wide swipe at the president of the united states, none of them, none of them, keen for the time being hearing from him, will we hear from him later today or any of the days going forward as he finishes out his presidency? we are on top of that and also on top of the growing rift with the president even in his own party, why the alaska republican senator lisa murkowski is now saying, just go, i want him out now after this.
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authorities to find out what is going on, what the us suspicions are, what is exactly happened and whether the area has been clear as we get details from the crazy week, we will keep you posted. speaking of this as you probably know on monday, the house is already going to officially file articles of of impeachment against the president of the united states even though and we get word that lisa murkowski, alaska, senator, the president should just resign right now to avoid the trouble. the former health and human secretary under the president with us right now on all developments. tom, happy new year. tom: and to you. neil: it's certainly been a bumpy start to the year and i'm wondering what you make of -- i
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wouldn't call it a jailbreak at the white house but with two cabinet officials, betsy devos, education secretary, and obviously we see the transportation secretary elaine chao leave, others, why are we seeing this with little more than days to go in this administration anyway? >> this is a week that we won't forget. it's understandable that people are leaving. they probably already done the -- the activities to close up their office and -- and get things moving but i think it's incredibly important to have an informed handoff from the leader of one department or agency to the incoming leader of -- in the next administration. so i think it's -- i think, again, it's understandable but it's regettable that individuals are leaving and i think now that there's the basic consensus among the leaders within the departments, at least apparently
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that they will make certain that things that ought not be don't, ought not be done, that it's important to have that continuity as we move to a new administration. neil: senator, do you think the president lit the match, is responsible for this? >> when you look at the language that was used it is absolutely unconscionable and unforgivable, and so as i say for individuals that are leaving, it's understandable that they have reached that conclusion, but i think that if you look at the larger picture, how do we govern the nation and how do we make sure it's governing and the most effective manner through the transition which is clearly going to happen and we want it to be seamless as possible, then having leaders of departments and agencies stick around i think is the most appropriate way to peed. neil: you think the president
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should resign now? >> well, it is likely the most practical solution, i think it's unlikely to happen but it's likely the most practical solution and, again, i understand the calls for it. i'm hopeful that what we will see is a lowering of the temperature. i don't know that movement toward impeachment is consistent with that and the announcement that you had just before i came on about a package somewhere close to the capitol, we need to understand and appreciate that we are all americans and we are all in this together and that it's together that we will get through this, but we need to do so with lowering of the temperature and not so much personal attack that has been kind of the custom of politics for frankly a long time, before this president. neil: all right, secretary thank you very much, we will see where all of this goes. we will be hearing from top
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neil: all right, we still don't know, we are getting word out of indonesia that it has happened again, reports that the government there has lost contact with air boeing jet that took off earlier this morning carrying 62 people. it was on route to jakarda, on route, they lost contact with it. 2:30 p.m. their time which would
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have been early morning here back in the east coast of the united states. 56 passengers were on board including ten kids, they simply lost contact with the plane. it was over the sea, if that rings a bell to you, 3 other incidents of planes that have been lost or crashed in that area. there's no hint of that so far, they call it a searching and rescue mission for the time being. if we get anything more on that, we, of course, keep you posted. in the meantime keeping you posted on the latest developments on the nation's capitol where impeachment, process at least will begin at least in the house of representatives as nancy pelosi is working with leaders there to come up with a clear lead, that would be the push but it would have to be done very quickly and the senate would have to be on
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board with that. maryland democratic member, i assume the chairman of that committee. he's with us now. senator, are you on board with this impeachment effort? senator: neil, first of all, good to be with you. what happened this week was one of the darkest moments in the history of america, the capitol itself being attacked and the president inciting the crowd to march on the capitol. the best thing for the country would be for the republican leadership in congress with the vice president to encourage the president to resign. that would be in the best interest of america to move forward. if the republican leadership is not willing to take on the challenge, then i expect we will see impeachment articles in the house. as you know, to do a trial before january 20th is almost impossible, but quite frankly we would hope that the republican
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leadership would show leadership and meet with the president. neil: now others have advocated the 25th amendment, the vice president would be on board with that. we have reports, senator, that mike pence is not. so that seems to have been put aside. the other option i think that lisa murkowski, colleague from alaska, that the president resign. that doesn't look like wall street journal and host of other publications have been urging just that. short of that, it looks to me that he will serve out his term. what is the risk that you see that he does? senator: well, i think there is a risk and obviously it's still 11 days left of his presidency. what has not been said is that the republican -- i understand the president is unlikely to retire on his own but if he was confronted through leadership in congress along with the vice
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president, perhaps reality will set in and the president would realize that in really to save his presidency, he needs to resign. neil: senator, what are you afraid of? what are you specifically afraid of, that he will launch a nuke or what? senator: you never know with this president. he's not in twitter any longer. we don't know how he will recognize. he has tremendous power, including the power as commander in chief. he's unhinged. we are concerned about what people do in the last few days. neil: we don't know exactly what will happen on this 10, 11 days. we already know that he is not going to joe biden's inauguration, joe biden didn't want him at the inauguration,
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what do you think? senator: the president elect is acting correctly. he doesn't want to be there, he's never acknowledged the election. so it's too late for him to be present to give the sign of a peaceful transition of power from the current president, mike pence doing the right thing, handled himself with distinction during joint session of congress and recognizes that president elect biden, his presence at the inauguration is appropriate. neil: senator, we will keep track of this, thank you very much for joining us and maybe we can get back to you on monday to see how things are going. senator ben, from the beautiful state of maryland.
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i told you about the plane on jakarda and now debris being sea, as we are trying to find out what caused all of this, 737, it's a boeing jet. it's in the neck of the woods where we have seen this kind of stuff before. we don't know much more than that outside that they have found debris from the jet that took off about 8 hours ago. we will keep you posted if we get any more developments. stay with us. you are watching cavuto live.
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neil: i want to take you from jakarta, indonesia, a boeing 737 had taken off and now reports that wreckage has been found. now reports that they knew something was wrong right away, that it was 10,000 feet altitude in less than a minute and little more than 4 minutes after taking off from jakarta, we know little more than that. debris has been found. authorities in the region are saying that the search and rescue continues. this happened in the neck of the woods where we have seen incidents where planes took off and crashed and at least in one
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case went missing, missing to this day. if we get anything more on that, we will keep you posted. there were reports 40 to 60 people. almost a dozen children were among the passengers. if we find more on this, we will keep you posted. back to all craziness going on in the united states and with the attacks on the call toll you would think the markets would be free falling and they were not. they surged to record, dow, nasdaq, record territory despite all of this, maybe because they are seeing past all of this. it is weird, wells fargo management cio, carel, seems like a disconnect or are the markets seeing past it? >> i think you're exactly, right, neil. they are seeing past it.
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somewhat powerful bullish mossaic that's happening, weakening dollar, metals at decade high. s&p set a new high, russell 20000 set a new high. volatility across equity and fixed income. what people are paying attention switch in fiscal policy that was built in maybe late last year for contraction or drag of physical policy which is progrowth. neil: darrell, curious what you make of the push to either have the president to resign, i'm talking about the one that we have right now or impeachment, 25th amendment, i'm wondering how the markets are going to digest that if any one of those things are going to happen? >> yeah, i doubt those things
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will happen. they may draw articles of impeachment and discuss the 25th amendment, we have 11, 12 days of the presidency. i think the markets as long as something doesn't go awry, even president elect biden was out saying the fastest way to make the change is to get to inauguration day. so markets right now are assuming that you have a peaceful transition of power, the inauguration happened on january 20th and nothing material happens between then and now. neil: normally the markets are not red or blue, they are green. they are about making money and they made a lot of money under this president just as they made gad deal of money under prior president and bill clinton, et cetera, i don't think their politics comes into it as must as enjoying a good run and they seem that a good run continues,
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will it? >> we think it will. you have the powerful mossaic and the markets are not cheap but not wildly expensive when you consider where they are relative to interest rates. you have inflation break-evens now up over 2% for the first time in 2 years, you are seeing inflation coming back and the yield curve is steepening and steepening for the right reasons. so this -- neil: darrell, the yield, the gap between short-term interest rates and longer-term rates. it has been getting wider. that's generally seen as constructive development as long-term interest rates move up a little bit. what does that signal to you? >> anticipation of better growth. you can see a booming 5, 6% gdp growth this year as the vaccine takes hold to the middle part of the year, growth returns, we
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think the u.s. probably grows somewhere between 4 and 4 and a half percent in 2021 which is well over double what we've been on a trend growth rate for the last let's say decade and don't forget, markets do tend to do well whether you agree with it or not when you have consistency across washington, d.c. you'll recall that clinton, bush, obama and trump all started the presidencies with a consistency across or alignment of executive branch -- neil: you're right about that. darrell, it's a good point. some people are startled about that. darrell, wealth management cio, happy new year, darrell. in the meantime you saw capitol hill and you thought, there ought to be a law against this. well, in florida, there soon
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with soothing honey-licious taste. nyquil honey. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, fever best sleep with a cold medicine. neil: all right. that suspicious package apparently isn't suspicious. they've given the all-clear signal at capitol hill. they found package that some thought could be nefarious or dangerous. all coast clear. this on week of heightened tensions in the capitol with the violence afterwards and now move to get impeachment proceedings going for punishing the president for triggering it. let's get the read from chris who said these types of conditions weren't a law. that's certainly what they are talking about in the nation's capitol to make sure it doesn't happen again. in florida they are taking this into their own hands. florida state speaker of the
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house. speaker very good to have you, what is this new antiviolent protest measure about? >> great to be with you, neil, thanks for having me. the measure is simple. it's about protecting our neighborhoods, protecting our communities. this started last summer through the leadership of our governor ron desantis as well as senate president simpson and we got together we will not tolerate people burning our businesses and terrorizing and now is the time to get the bill out to make it clear that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated here in florida. neil: spell out what it will enforce and what the punishment would be if you do something like this? >> well, it punishes the behavior you saw on the television the other night. a group of people getting together, being violent, destroying property, injuring police officers, you saw brian
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sitnik killed in line of duty, a police officer, battery of law enforcement officers in the summer, that kind of action will be elevated, the criminal penalties will be elevated if you injury a police officer you will go to jail for at least 6 months and if you're aggravating riot situation, you will go to jail. it was a powder keg. those are the things that we will crack down to make sure people understand that they cannot do that in the state of florida. neil: speaker, thank you very much, keep us posted on that. florida now the first state in the nation to act on something that as we have seen in the capitol of our nation to make sure at least there it doesn't happen. in the meantime, word out that the queen elizabeth and her husband have received vaccinations, i believe it's the second round of vaccination,
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>> can you guaranty that everybody can get their second shot on time? >> the answer is i will be talking about that on friday. >> on friday, on thursday? neil: peter doocy getting that out of the president elect, joe biden, getting doses out. we are getting word since that the president elect wants to get almost all of them out into
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state's hands and americans' arms much more quickly than it is going on right now. associate professor of medicine there. doctor, good to see you. doctor: great to see you, neil, happy new year. neil: to you as well, doctor. this idea of getting more vaccines out, i don't understand the holdup in the first place. they are getting out depending on the state. that's the issue. what is the problem? doctor: right, the problem is there are many times more doses out there available to the states than there are people who have actually gotten vaccinated. that's certainly frustrating for everybody including the people who are responsible for doing this and part of this is a logistical issue, it's a huge rollout and seems as perhaps the plan wasn't as great as it should have been or given the support they needed to because things are not moving as quickly as they should be. the other issue quite frankly is there are other people offered
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the vaccine who are saying no and what do you do with supplies and how quickly can you move on to the next person that may be eligible. there's a lot of factors going on there. the first and second dose, one you get the first dose and i got mine two weeks ago, you're about 50% protected from the virus. after the second dose it goes to 95%. the question is, is it better to have people with 50% who will eventually get second dose or people with 90% and that's what joe biden is talking about and modeling out what is safer in terms of preventing the pandemic or, sorry, stopping the pandemic as quickly as possible. neil: right, doctor, we hold off on a lot of doses because we are keeping reserve the second dose for people who have to take that 21 days later much as the queen and her husband did in britain. yet in britain we are seeing the
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variant, mutation, whatever you want to call it that's prompted a third lockdown and concerns that it could escalate, what's going on? doctor: so we know the virus mutate, that's normal part of life cycle of the virus. covid-19 is a virus that mutates every two weeks. however, mutations are more concerning and persistent. persistent and spread quickly across the country and more transmissible, easily spread than the prior covid-19. that's why that's concerning. we have seen in our own country, in the u.s., 52 cases and many of these are people who never traveled outside of the u.s. we know that it is here on our soil and that's worrisome. south africa has a a variant and seems to be transmissible. one of the concern is the variant going to be less -- are
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the vaccines going to work for the variants, so far, pfizer did one study that, yes, the vaccine will work against the uk variant. not sure about the south africa variant. is it going to become resistent to the vaccine or possible treatments? neil: you know, doctor, what i worry about how long this drags on and with the severity in cases, deadly number of deaths, 4,000, 5 in the last ten days where we have seen record cases and hospitalizations and deaths and i'm wondering is this something that will -- we will just have to get used to right through this year? >> well, unfortunately it looks like the rollout of the vaccine is going the take longer than most people thought it would and, yes, looks like this year is going to be a tough year in terms of really getting a handle on it. just like you said, we are in
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the worst period that we have been since covid-19 started in the u.s. in terms of cases so time is absolutely crucial of the essence and i will encourage everyone once you get the opportunity to get the vaccine, please go get it because that's one of the main things we can do to stop the pandemic. in the meantime, we all have to continue to practice safe practices of wearing masks, hygiene, these are the only steps we can take right now to really try to curtail this as quickly as possible. neil: wise words always, doctor, thank you very much, have a safe happy new year. dr. rashini raj, school of medicine. this occurs as we are getting word in france that they instituted a curfew because of serious spike in cases, that's the case now in 27 european cities where they have curfews in effect. so it is a little bit scary
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here. all right, we are still trying to look back at what prompted the riots and the protests that got out of control earlier this week. nancy pelosi says she wants a timeline on all of this from the capitol hill police. i want you to meet the republican congressman who says she wants timeline for nancy pelosi after this ...
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>> we have still not heard from the president of the united states what he makes of being, you know, shunted aside by social media and twitter, he's not a fan of it we know. and if you're shut down on social media i believe he's still getting access to parler. how do we know? if the tree falls in the forest, was there any sound? it comes at a time when there's a clarion call to shut down the
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president and shut him down now and have him leave. welcome back, i'm neil cavuto and you're watching cavuto live as we monitor developments for the push to get donald trump out now. forget about waiting until january 20th and probably best illustrated in the cover page of the drudge report that's out today, effectively saying that the reason for all of this brouhaha is fears over what the president might do in those remaining days. do we have that, guys? all righty, make a liar out of me. that's the case. i want to go to mark meredith. he's in washington with more on this, at the white house and the idea about drudge points out how crazy will he get? it seems a little extreme, mark, but that is really what's behind all of this, right? >> neil, you bring up such a good point. nobody knows what the president is thinking right now because we don't have his twitter account to look at. after all, it's been a central part of his presidency from the beginning.
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late friday the social media platform suspended his account accusing him of using it to promote violent. you look at the president's account, a message reads account suspended. future tweets by the commander-in-chief may create further incitement of violence. until yesterday, he had sent out 57,000 tweets, that's a lot. on it he's fired cabinet secretaries, blasted the media and dictated policy. and they've suspended accounts for trump campaign as well, and many so applaud it saying the ban is a long time coming, virginia senator mark warner tweeted an overdue step, but remember, this is bigger than one person, it's about an entire eco system that allows misinformation and hate to spread and fester unchecked. and south carolina senator lindsey graham claimed this action will silence free speech and viewpoints often held by viewpoints. the ayatollah can tweet, but trump can't.
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it says a lot about the people who run twitter. it's not just twitter, facebook, instagram, snapchat blocking the president, republicans are calling for the social media companies to lose their liability protection. and something the president brought up a lot. we're so used to going to twitter on saturday mornings you and i and seeing what he's talking about and right now that's not an option. neil: so his option for now, mark, would be just to go to the american people and address them directly or put out a video release, the kind of stuff we saw earlier in the week. >> he could call into your show and we're on the air. that's a way to do it. neil: or check in with you. >> that would be helpful. neil: there you go, my friend, mark meredith on that. to congresswoman victoria sparks from indiana. she has a question to ask nancy pelosi, what did you know? how did you prepare? this was well-telegraphed and the congress woman said there
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was a plan to see the president and then march on the capitol. what did she do to prepare for it? congresswoman victoria sparks. very good question. have you heard back from the speaker on this? >> well, i haven't heard yet, but i hope i will because it's implying anyone who wrongfully with this has to take responsibility when things fail and we can have a lot of different discussion, but ultimately, our leader and the leader of our branch is speaker nancy pelosi. she's in charge of the legislative branch and she was in charge of that spouse and who is responsible for the security of the house and reports to here and directed by her so i would like to know what happened since we really need to address it. it's been chaotic and very bad what's happened there.
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neil: we have reached out to the speaker, congresswoman. we've not heard back to her. hope springs eternal though. let me get back to what you were saying she should have known. obviously this rally was well publicized and telegraphed. what made the difference though, there were marches on d.c. all the time from all sorts of groups. this is the first one that invaded the intersanctum of the capitol. so that everybody was caught off guard from the capitol hill police to a host of others. what do you think of that? >> well, i don't think it was actually. people was not caught off guard and it was discussed. and whether we like what was said or not, people knew the marches were going to be happening around the capitol, around the white house. i had a lot of my-- >> did they know, it was it considered that they would invade the interior sanctum of the capitol itself? that's in retrospect what made this unique. was there a plan for that? >> welcol, i don't think that
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anybody would plan to invade anybody. you can anticipate when you have a lot of upset people, large crowds and the crowds everybody knew were going to be very large, you know, some gets very agitated and very upset and it could be a setup also to make people agitated and upset. so when you have thousands of people, you can expect the violence can happen and you have to be ready. and you have to be prepared to it. regardless if it happens or not. and we've been seeing a lot of very violent protests happening in the last year, including in the capitol. to say that we shouldn't be ready for it? i think it's really sad for me to see that we are so-- >> well, is the president, kroom congresswoman does the president bear any responsibility for those folks, but even some republicans said he lights the match. >> the president hasn't been saying anything that he hasn't
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been saying. and i did support the certification, we have a difference in the country, a difference in opinion and debate, there's nothing happened that was new that we didn't expect. we know people were upset and the country is very divided, knew that we had a problem. it shows how dysfunctional our government became that we're supposed to protect the people. we couldn't even protect ourselves. and what's happening in this chambers, as a freshman, i was shocked. i was really shocked to see that we had no plan and ultimately, the speaker of the house, abandoned her ship. a saying, i represent all the people whether you're republican or democrat the speaker of the house represents her house. she knew that events are going to be very turbulent. she knew that the house chamber that where everyone is going to meet. you have senators, you have
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vice-president, you have your congressional house delegation. and that was a very significant event and to have no plan i think that we need to have a response from had-- her what she directed to do or didn't. neil: we'll follow it closely, congresswoman, thank you very, very much. we'll reach out yet again to speaker pelosi's office. we had and we will again to keep on top of this and see exactly what happened and the chain of events that led to it happening. with us now is charles marino, a former dhcs law enforcement official. what do you make of the congresswoman saying there's a lot of blame to go around. you could talk about the president lighting the match and maybe inciting this crowd talking about capitol hill, police caught flat-footed and maybe nancy pelosi herself and the leadership in congress unable to deal with this unexpected invasion. what are your thoughts?
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>> neil, it's a fair question. listen at the end of the day the capitol police sent in house sergeant and arms and law enforcement at the capitol report directly to congress. like you said there isn't a lot of accountability that's going to be spread around and need to be looked at here regarding this overall national security failure, the failure to anticipate what could go wrong that day, coordinate proper resources in advance and then incorporated into an overall strategic plan. what we saw here was, we saw the capitol police officers that really were set up to fail here by their leadership. they put up a valiant fight at the end of the day and did what they needed to do and evaluated the members and the vice-president to safety, but you know, ultimately lost the battle there and unfortunately lost one police officer in the process so far. neil: i'm joust wondering how we prevent this from happening again. obviously groups of all sorts take out permits for protests in washington.
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this one got out of control, but now i guess the fear is, just to make sure it doesn't happen again, you know, expand the, you know, auto-less zone around the capitol much as we've done around the white house, the pennsylvania avenue, that we've done since 9/11. is that necessary? >> yeah, i think this is where dhs was absent in terms of their overall responsibility to monitor the threat activity here domestically. if they had been doing their jobs, what they would have seen was that there was absolutely the big possibility, and the chatter on social media for things to go south here. you had the main rally that the president attended down on the ellipse a few blocks away from the capitol, questioning the validity of the capitol and at the capitol the process underway to validate that election. really the intelligence was there. the possibility for this to go wrong was prevalent and the
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department of homeland security, with the certification of an election being a significant national event, should have been designated in national special security event and put these secret service in charge of the overall coordination, similar to what we're going to see on the inauguration. neil: all right, we know of 6,000 national guardmen and women called in over the next 30 days to cover the period of the inauguration and onward. so there's going to be beefed up security there. what do you look out for? what do you think they've got to be prepared for to deal with anything and everything that could come up? >> well, we're already seeing the chatter on social media to, you know, cause violence around the capitol again. the problem is, whatever you follow on the heels of a successful breach is what's supposed to be a very secure building like we had the other day, people are going to want to strike that target again, as well as other targets that are considered to be secure. so, the secret service is aware
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of that. they've partnered with all of the federal agencies to include the fbi. they'll monitor that intelligence. every time they do this, they take a fresh look at everything and the intelligence plays a big role on that, but the big thing here is going to be the coordination of the resources in advance, something that we did not see at the capitol that day. so, having all the key players, not just in place together operationally, but also, in a communication functionality at a multi-agency communication center where everybody has reached back to their agencies and could immediately turn and communicate and coordinate with one another to solve any problems that pop up. neil: yeah, let's hope that none do pop up. charles, thank you very, very much and for giving us the judgment. and monday is getting a lot of people's attention because of impeachment proceedings that could begin. mo n --
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>> all right. you've been hearing a lot about the fight of covid cases in this country and a reason we've seen a reversal of forces for the unemployment rate hanging around 6.7%, a disproportionate number of those jobs lost not shockingly coming in the restaurant industry. and this is really just in the month of december where the food services and related industries have seen about 372,000 jobs disappear. and that's in a separate survey on that survey. but it doesn't sprays my next
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it-- it doesn't surprise my next guest. he's from new york city, a sushi restaurant, well-liked. gary, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me, neil. neil: let's talk a little about help that might be on the way. i don't know if you could take advantage of this, gary, but this paycheck protection program that will release more funds about 280, to $285 billion worth. are you interested in that? can you qualify that? >> we were lucky enough to qualify with the first restaurant we opened. open in 2019, but if you were not open in 2019, if you were open by february 15 of 2020, you're able to qualify for the ppp that's about to be allocated. neil: all right. gary, in the mean-- sure, finish that thought. i apologize.
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>> so, yeah, we're really grateful and hopefully we'll be able to get approved for this new funding. neil: now, in new york, the problem is you can't do your business, right? i mean, indoor dining is still banned and it could be, you know, banned for a while as we're dealing with a serious fight in cases. so what have you been doing? >> so, what we've been doing, when we originally opened, we actually opened in the month of january so right before covid so we were open for about a month and a half and in march we have to close down. after we closed down we spent months trying to have our brand for delivery and takeout and provide dining during covid. it was just a takeout model in the beginning. during the summer, they allowed the outdoor dining, which helped, and i think in the month of september, they brought back a percentage of
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indoor dining, which really, really helped. so, once the indoor dining w was-- once the new restrictions came out with indoor dining we lost 30 to 40% of our revenue, so it's been tremendously hard for us. the sales reduction led us again to furloughs. this time we had to let go 25% of our total staff. neil: just incredible. and you know, i don't want to bum you out, i mean, but i've been talking to a number of medical experts who fear, you know, with the slow rollout of vaccines and the like, this could drag on well into late spring, early summer, maybe longer. what do you think of that? >> yeah. it's a little disappointing because i think the infection rate in new york is 1.5% and it's -- i really don't understand why the states that are surrounding us and the cities surrounding new york city, their indoor dining is
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open. why is our indoor dining closed? i mean, it's hard for restaurants. it was a little bit easier for me to adapt, to what's happening. i would be able to build, you know, the takeout model, but a lot of restaurants that have been in the industry, much longer than we have, they can serve outdoors. their food is hot, it doesn't test well outdoors and just survival just on to go, hot food doesn't travel well. for us, sushi is cold so we were pretty lucky because our food travels well, but it's been hard and we're just trying to stay afloat and hoping that come spring they'll be able to open indoor dining. i don't see it opening earlier than march in new york city. and you know, you see all the new yorkers. they're travelling. they're travelling to long island, to connecticut to enjoy
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that indoor dining. i feel like the human connection has been taken away from new yorkers and we need to bring it back as soon as possible. neil: i think you're right about that. i hope we will through no-fault of your own, gary. you're stuck between a rock and a hard place here, but you've got a good attitude, young man. he's the owner of a well-regarded sushi restaurant and hopefully will be open, very, very soon for dining business, thank you very much, gary. >> thank you, thank you for having me. neil: go ahead. >> i was going to say, we're hopeful the worst will soon be behind us and we'll rehire our lost staff and our company's growth in the near future. neil: fingers crossed on that, gary and so much more. and back to president-elect biden who wants to help people like gary. he set an aggressive goal in the first 100 days of getting 100 million vaccinations out to
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>> you know, monday is shaping up to be a fascinating day. you're looking at the capital and the white house, the push right now to get the president out of the white house before january 20th. some have even called for him to resign, but on capitol hill and at least in the united states house of representatives it will start with articles of impeachment being filed. now, you might say, all right, doesn't that take a while? there's less than two weeks ago anyway, what's the rush? the former deputy assistant attorney general, tom, that seems like a heavy workload right there to get all of that done, impeach the president of
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the united states, all in the matter of nine or 10 days. what the heck? is that doable? >> well, you know, it's a tall order for sure. the house is in control of its own proceedings and if they are in a position where they can draft up an article of impeachment or articles of impeachments and approved and sent on to the senate well then the ball would be in the senate's court. i think the biggest challenge would be for the senate to attempt to conduct a trial in the time remaining in the president's term. it's a taller order. i wouldn't rule it out. but it would seem if they would pass articles of impeachment and pass it onto the senate it might extend beyond the president's term in office. neil: all right, well, that would not be a moot point then? >> well, some would say, yes. although technically the senate could consider impeachment proceedings against the president even after he's left office. obviously, the stakes would be different. you wouldn't be talking about removing the president from
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office. but the consequences could still be significant. for example, it's possible he could be barred from holding federal office again or something along those lines. neil: in a perverse way, some republicans might welcome that. they don't want to hear from him again so they might-- democrats might have more support than they would have otherwise envisioned, right? >> neil, i think the political calculus is super complex because of the reasons you mentioned. some republicans might say, why don't we take out the person in the 2024 primary. some democrats could say, look, we want to move on with joe biden's agenda, if we don't want the oxygen sucked out of the room with impeachment proceedings, let's move ahead with what president biden wants to do. let's see how it plays out. neil: the president-elect said they can do what they want to
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do. and there's the issue of the 25th, that would require the vice-president and majority of the cabinet saying the president is incapacitated and you know, he should step down. normally, it's meant for a president that goes underanesthesia or an operation. of course, it's been tested so infrequently there's no validity or litmus test. for me, it seems hard to see that happening. without the vice-president signing onto this approach, it seems like it would be a total nonstarter and the vice-president has apparently said according to media reports he has no interest in pursuing that. even if he were to change his mind he would have to get a bunch of fellow cabinet secretaries to sign on. for that reason i think that impeachment is a likelier course than trying to remove him through the 25th amendment. neil: this has left a legal question, and maybe just a political one. the other option is the
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president resign. and lisa murkowski, among a number of republicans open to the idea. i don't see the president doing that, but what would be the advantage. i hear nancy pelosi saying you don't want him in office a day longer. i don't know what she's fearing, he'll blow up the world or something. but how likely is that? >> i would probably put that at the bottom of the likely outcome. the president is not someone who seems temperamental designed to resign. from his perspective i'm not sure what advantage he would get. i guess arguably it would help him avoid impeachment proceedings and would make vice-president pence the president and he could decide whether he would want to pardon the president in his last days in office. but i don't see the president inclined to resign the office and walk away.
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neil: we already know that the president will not be attending joe biden's inauguration. there are no hard and fast constitutional rules, but something we've gotten used to. going back to andrew johnson in 1859, i remember covering that, tom, he refused to go to general grant's inauguration. it's happened. nothing usual. there's nothing in edict or in stone that says the two have to meet before they go their separate ways. >> it's enshrined in our nation's history, and there's no requirement. and i noticed president-elect biden said this may be one thing we can agree on that he not attend the inauguration. i imagine barring some 11th hour drama, we're not going to see the president on that stage.
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neil: and going back to john adams, john quincy adams, better than 160 years. very good to see you, tom dupree, former deputy depuattor general. you've heard the back and forth, what happens now that the senate will be under democratic control. remember, it's a 50-50 senate so it's not as if it's, you know, unstoppable control, but what that senate can do after this. our health matters more than ever, that's why the new myww+ is our most holistic weight loss program ever. the app helps you take the foods you have and gives you creative ideas for meals. you can choose any workout you want to fit within your time frame. there are a ton of zero point foods that i love. i never feel restricted. with the new tools my mindset has completely changed. more holistic. more personalized. more weight loss. the new program from ww, weight watchers reimagined
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>> all right. the full control of washington, that's what democrats have right now. though they will soon have the white house, they had the house, they'll have the united states senate and with that wind at their backs the likes of bernie sanders and alexandria ocasio-cortez saying we can push an agenda because the mandate is there. the senate is 50-50 and the vice-president in the role of a tie breaker will give the edge to the democrats. it's not a dramatic edge. joe manchin questioning the need for a big stimulus package, certainly more generous stimulus checks. and alicia acuna on the pressure on this new democratic washington to do, well, the
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progressive's bidding. alicia. >> hi, neil. well, president-elect biden has made a lot of promises that they look to deliver. but some are looking for student debt, climate change making it a bigger priority than the president-elect is counting. he's counting on the simple majority in the senate to help hike households incomes and raising the tax rate. and giving osha more attention, more support for minor-owned businesses and expanding the affordable care act. at the same time biden is being pushed to move on covid stimulus and bernie sanders tweeting now that democrats have power we have to be bold in a way we have not seen since fdr in the 1930's. the first order of business, a new covid relief bill with $2,000 payments for every
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working class adult. soon to be majority leader chuck schumer has said as much, but party moderates could slow the role, including the democratic senator joe manchin whose spokesperson told correspondent edward lawrence he will not support the checks as a first priority saying the senator, quote, made it clear that the number one priority must be distributing and administering the vaccine as quickly and safely as possible. he has also said repeatedly that when the biden administration comes in, they can assess the needs of the american people and submit proposals to congress about how to best address those needs. so, neil, now the democrats have the power, there's going to be a big power struggle for that power, neil. neil: that's a very good way of putting it, a power struggle for that power. alicia acuna in washington, thank you, very very much. my next guest knows a thing or two about working hand in hand
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with each other and getting a lot of things done. senator, good to see you again. >> always glad to be with you, neil. neil: so, senator the notion of how bernie sanders and alexandria ocasio-cortez and other progressives in the democratic party who ran through legislation and an fdr first 100 day mission, how successful do you think that will be? >> well, i hope not that successful. you know, the senate is a difficult place to run under the best of conditions, depending on your point of view, but our founding fathers set it up where that was the cooling saucer to, you know, calm down the hot action of the cup from the house of representatives. so, it's a tough place to run. and it's especially a challenge when it's 50-50 and that's only happened, i think, this will be the fourth time in the history of the country. i studied what happened in the 1950's and it was ugly. they couldn't agree on the rules for five months and they
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basically did nothing. so i had the advantage of having a friend that was a democratic leader, tom daschle, i respected him and i trusted him and i called him and i said we've got to try to work this out. and we did take time to get it done. not everybody in our conferences agreed with what we did, but basically we set it up where it was going to be equally divided. the committee memberships, the funds, the ratios, how you deal with the tie vote. you could take two to pull the senate on a tie vote, either tom daschle or i either one of us could do it and we got a lot of done. i'm not sure with the atmosphere in washington right now, how many people really want to get the right things done. i think that, you know, the things that bernie sanders is talking about, i would hope that some of the more moderate democrats, there are a few left, would resist that. neil: you had the advantage technically of the vice-president dick cheney at the time. >> right. neil: sort of being the tie
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breaker here. oddly enough you can't have to call on that or him too often. explain how you were able to get things done and i think it would help matters-- i don't want to jump to conclusion that you and tom daschle got along with each other. i'm not sure that chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell do. does that kind of thing make a difference? >> well, you know, communication is one thing that's been missing in washington now. you know, presidents haven't liked to talk to the congress and republicans and democrats don't like to talk to each other and the senate and house. that's a key part of it. but we were able to get the bush tax cut through and the corporation bills, passed a defense bill and even got the no child left behind education, where you had team like ted kennedy and john boehner working together. but the shoe is on the foot differently. i had dick cheney to call on and i remember once or twice we did think, well, this is going to be a close vote we got him
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to come into the vice-president's office right off the floor of the senate and had him available in case we needed him, but that was only a couple of times in the first six months. so, it can work, but now, you know, schumer is going to have the vice-president as backup, but unless they come to some agreement with about how they're going to make that work, we got a lot through reconciliation, which is a way to get things down without a being a super majority. that's another thing, the senate still have a filibuster and most bills are going to require 60 votes. neil: they can change those rules, right? >> they can, but-- and they've been doing that in recent years. it's a slippery slope and i think it's a mistake. i think even what they have done with nominees has been a mistake. it makes it easier to ram people through and only get 51 votes. so, it will be a challenge, but it can be done.
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i hope that senator schumer will reach out to senator mcconnell and make look at the template that tom daschle and i put together that did work. neil: it was a very good template to your point. senator, your thoughts on this call for president trump to resign, forget the impeachment stuff, the 25th amendment stuff, just get out. lisa murkowski saying that the republican senator from alaska, what do you think? >> i wish everybody would calm down. this has been an extremely difficult year with the pandemic, and the economy and people losing their jobs and stimulus funds that run into the trillions which we needed to do, but, golly bomb, how much are we going to put on the backs of our children and grandchildren in terms of what is being spent. but i went back and read the 25th amendment. i was on the judiciary committee and the house during the nixon proceedings and i've looked at 25th amendment more than once.
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i don't think it applies to this situation. i think for the house to go to an impeachment, what is the goal here, just to make the statement, okay, we've impeached him twice, but you know, trump is only going to be in office, what, 11, 12 more days? we need to calm things down. we need to change the rhetoric, to-- and by the way, if i were president-elect biden i would say, wait a minute, hey, i'm just getting started here, we have a lot of good stuff we need to do maybe we can do, an infrastructure bill, there will be another stimulus bill. i don't need this distraction. i have not really particularly liked what biden has had to say lately, but on this issue, i think he handled it well, basically i've got a job to do and they'll do theirs, but i'm sure he would like to get a clean slate and get started without more acrimony hanging over everybody's head. neil: yeah, he all, but said that waut taying is to your
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point. trent lott, thank you, the former majority leader with proof things could get done in a 50-50 body. and the violence in washington now no less than the pope weighing in, that the washington assault was against democracy, against the common good, that he was astonished by the assault on the u.s. capitol. we'll have more after this. medicine cabinet! less sick days! cold coming on? zicam® is clinically proven to shorten colds! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam's unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam zinc that cold!
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when they're officially u.s. senators. i guess one technically is and the other is not. >> that's right, it's an ongoing situation. both of georgia's republican senators have now conceded defeat. democrat raphael warnock and john 0s off. even though we won the state of georgia, we didn't win with the 50% rule. and i want to congratulate. and kelly loeffler posting a short letter to twitter. >> i called reverend warnock to congratulate him and wish him well in serving this great state. while my heart breaks not being able to continue to serve georgia and america, i'm tremendously proud of all we achieved together. >> now, georgia election officials say both ossoff and
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warnock are ready to get to work in washington. >> i am going to the senate to work for all of georgia, no matter who you cast your vote for in this election. >> whether you were for me or against me, i will be for you in the senate. i'll serve all the people of the state. >> now, the big question is when will they be seated? well, it depends on how quickly georgia certifies the election results. the state has until january 22nd to certify, however, secretary of state brad raftens berger could complete it further. and that president trump has dropped all litigation concerning the litigation against georgia. and however, that his team continues to spread
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information, their decision to drop the litigation was due to an out of court settlement agreement, neil. neil: all right. charles watson, thank you very much. my friend charles watson in atlanta, georgia. in the meantime, there are a lot of democrats who are dancing and running happy they've got the full run of the table in our nation's capitol, but lest they get too cocky we go back in history there are plenty of time both democrats and republicans thought they ruled the world until the next election when they didn't. after this. it's moving day. and while her friends
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they have in the senate and in the house where they only have about 11 seat edge. it's not that they can do and have everything that they want. bud the editor in chief, sometimes looking at history here, we hear these doom and gloom scenarios for the party that gets beaten up and particularly the republicans, losing the senate and tied around the violence at the capitol, but we forget sometimes those obituaries are written prematurely. >> that's right, neil. it's a tough time for republicans as you mentioned lost the white house and both houses of congress. when barack obama came in, he had everything, a super majority and by the time he left and when trump came in, he had everything and now trump's losing with losing both the house and the senate. so, if you look at the mid terms, usually the party who has power in the white house does poorly in the white house,
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as george w did in his second term as did obama. looking at two years, it's eternity, and both the house and senate could flip back to republicans by then. >> you doesn't think there's going to be any long lasting damage to, you know, republicans? >> i think it depends on what the party does. i mean, certainly if there were an election in a month, which there's not, obviously, it would be bad for republicans, but voters have short memories and i think it depends on what republicans do. i mean, republican lawmakers, many of them have hit their breaking point with the president. where does the party go from here? that's a valid question. neil: you know, i think this applies even when the power party in power winds in a landslide. in 1964 lyndon johnson won in a landslide and they thought democrats for decades. in 1968 that was forgotten. the same in 1972 when richard nixon won. in a landslide.
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everyone said, all right, republicans have control of the world for the foreseeable future. of course, four years later, watergate, it was jimmy carter. so we're reminded again, don't get ahead of your proverbial skis. >> that's right, and also, with-- and w bush's term they were doing very well. they had control of everything and talk about a permanent majorities. neil, there are no permanent majorities, period. then how far do you think democrats push the edge they do have on-- and not misinterpret it? some presidents like to season that, even in george bush's win in 2000, you know, with a very aggressive agenda. and saying he has a mandate for it. others are a little bit more cautious, actually because they have to be. how do you think this will go? >> well, i think, neil, depends on joe biden.
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the first term of obama they were ramming things through. and there wasn't much bipartisanship going on. biden says he's going to unite the country and i think the first days are telling. if democrats try to ram things through again, the party that does that usually pays the price down the line. neil: joe manchin, he already signaled he's not for these generous stimulus checks out. might be the first signs among many that you can't necessarily count on him to be in the democratic column all the time. >> no, you can't, but if they're going to raise taxes or repeal some of the trump taxes they're going to need joe manchin and he hasn't indicated where he is on that. maybe they could pass the 2k checks, but if they're going to raise some taxes, they're going to need all the democrats on board. neil: happy new year, my friend.
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>> reaction now pouring in as twitter moves to permanently suspend president trump from the platform. facebook and instagram also banning the president, quote, indefinitely. welcome to america's news headquarters from washington, i'm alicia acuna. >> i'm griff jenkens. president trump not only hit with a ban, but several of his supporters kicked off major social media platforms. alicia, it's great to have you here in d.c. welcome. alicia: thank you, wonderful to be here. >> at the epi
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