been unbelievably great honor. good luck to the new show. you guys are going to make a dynamic team. >> sandra: you're amazing to work with. we love you. >> trace: b20 starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> a fox news alert, lawmakers and a showdown over the potential timeline for the impeachment trial after house votes to impeach president trump for the second time. nancy pelosi has not indicated when she will send the article to the chamber, mitch mcconnell telling republicans, he has not made a final decision on how to vote, by signaling he's afforded democrats the initial move. this pushback growing from republicans, lindsey graham says the president was not given a fair hearing and impeachment is only tearing the country further part. watch.

>> we had an impeachment and 24 hours, without a lawyer, without a trial, without a hearing, what is the trial going to look like? we are going to impeach donald trump after he's out of office. what good comes from impeaching president trump after he's out of office? that's an unconstitutional tack on the presidency. it will divide the country, it will incite violence. >> senate minority leader chuck schumer warning "make no mistake, there will be in impeachment trial in the united states, there will be a vote on convicting the president for high crimes and misdemeanors and if he is convicted, there will be a vote on borrowing him from running again." meanwhile democrats are concerned about the timeline for the senate trial which could derail the start of joe biden's term, tweeting, "i hope they will deal with the constitutional responsibility on impeachment while working on the other urgent business of the

nation." you are watching "outnumbered." i am kennedy and we have fox business anchor dagen mcdowell, senior editor of "the federalist" and fox news contributor mollie hemingway, radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall and joining us today in the coveted center seat, host of the next revolution, steve helton. welcome, everyone. >> good morning. >> steve, let's start talking about this timeline because we were told by nancy pelosi that this president is a clear and present danger, that his removal is not just something that needs to be considered, it is imminent and has to be done right away, but now she is dragging her heels. i don't understand what is going on with democrats in terms of the urgency here. >> exactly. even on it's only terms, none of it makes sense, let's just take their word. you pointed out one flaw, if

it's so urgent, where the bickering around. secondly, they're arguing the reason the president was impeached, the basis for their articles, he incited insurrection with the speech he made last wednesday. at the same time, they are now saying and it's being reported all over the media, democrats are pushing this. the right we saw wednesday was planned, organized, all of these groups were plotting it all along. if it was planned, how was it the president suddenly incited it on the day? none of it actually makes sense. what you really got to see here is the destructive role democrats are playing in dividing the country. last wednesday people talk about unity, the whole country was united, we were all united, all decent people united in condemning what we saw, the lawlessness and writing. of course everyone condemned

that. since then the actions of the democrats, the big tech companies have served to divide us, to send us back into our tribe, what this feels like is not a reasonable response to something that happened, it feels like an extension of the hate we have seen from the democrats towards not just this president personally, but everything he stands for and his movement and his supporters. it's deeply destructive and i just wish they would drop it. >> i'm looking at this going, my kids are still not in school, digital learning, we have a pandemic and impeachment that will spill over into this new administration, but who on earth is looking out for families and businesses while congress and the president-elect are engaged in this giant distraction. >> more than 18 million people at the end of december that were collecting unemployment benefits, the jobless claims jumped to the highest level in

months, near 1 million for weeks. were they looking out for? nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are looking out for themselves and their full of hyperbole as you pointed out and also pomposity. they want to this trial in the senate, they want to deny rather than keep them at odds rather than coming together and figuring out who they are in the post-trump arrow, but also get republicans on the record to use whatever they say or how they vote against them in 2022, 2024, particularly 2022 if chuck schumer is focused on keeping the senate in democratic hands. "the wall street journal" editorial page today notes that the democrats could overstep. if it becomes apparent to the public that this is just a partisan stage play, it could hurt them, just for political

gain by the democrats, but also, they could, i think it was the journal, democrats could actually rehabilitate trump with a trial if it looks vindictive. i don't think they are thinking about that. >> i don't know what they're thinking about, leslie because it's all your concerned, concerned with victories of the mystery of the house, joe biden is talking about who was going to come on not receive some federal aid in terms of covid relief. when you talk about the economy, it's like the fourth or fifth thing on joe biden's list. democrats are much more concerned about themselves. >> first of all, i've never heard president-elect biden say that, i've heard him say the contrary. he has not weighed in on the impeachment. he said it's the duty, it's the duty of congress which the house

did. now goes to the senate, obviously. it's the senate majority leader that decided to wait until after donald trump was out of office and going to the constitution, not very clear, he will be a private citizen at the end of next week. can we impeach a private citizen. joe biden has made it very clear about getting people back to work at getting our kids some of my kids are homeschooling online, getting them back to school. quite frankly, it doesn't help him and his administration if this plays up for a long time. it's a distraction, not just to him and his agenda, but the senators, republicans and democrats need to help work together in a bipartisan manner, to help america get back. >> again, that is certainly secondary to impeachment proceedings as with the vaccine rollout being thought no clear plan from divided administration, i look at this

and i say to myself, who is going to protect americans from democrats? >> it is amazing that we are beginning 2021 the same way that we began funny funny with democrats pushing impeachment against donald trump. nancy pelosi and the media are trying to separate donald trump from his office because he's on his way out anyway. they're trying to separate republicans from their voters. what we saw over the last four years as republicans forgot how much media power is directed against them. there's a lot of hate and passion from the media and other democrats against republicans. donald trump absorb a lot of that. they saw what happens when he's down and out. i think there is reason for republicans to be pleased with what is going on thus far, despite all that pressure, mike pence resisted the urge to do something unconstitutional with the 25th amendment, and even with some republicans think this is a way to gain power,

only nine republicans joined with liz cheney and her regime change effort. voters are getting a say republican voters are saying, they're sick to death of this type of political exploitation, refusal to deal with the country's very serious problem. the democratic ploy only works if they can get 17 or so senators are doing with them. the more that comes out about the buses, the more that comes out, the more we realize this was a massive preplanned event. the impeachment articles have less way and people calm down and think clearly, it seems like we are experiencing another one of these events where the brush them out, they have to roll back. this is not going as well as democrats had hoped for. >> if the impeachment fails it will be going, what about me? jack dorsey has some reservations about his company's

decision to ban president trump. while he admits the move sets a precedent. plus, republican lawmaker is accusing democrats of weaponizing race to make the impeachment case against president trump. more on his reaction next. speak out their process is to rule out white supremacy starting with impeaching the white supremacist. ♪ ♪ >> a top cnn anchor questioning the republican congressmen and army veteran. backlash against jake tapper's the necessary remarks. >> he lost his legs fighting abroad, although, i don't know about his commitment to the united states here. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> jack dorsey descending his company's decision to ban president trump from the platform in a series of posts fall out in this, "having to take these actions fragments the public conversations, they divide us and limit the potential for clarification, potential in learning and sets the president is dangerous said it only made the situation worse. >> their model is about free speech and yet you just shut down the president, the most free country in the world.

you left iran and china up there and i just think it was a gut reaction. it was an emotional reaction, all i did was raise the tension and passion of the supporters and make things more dangerous. >> steve, jack dorsey said it was like a hot garbage belch. it smelled bad and it didn't say a damn thing. what say you? >> i live in the heart of silicon valley, i can tell you it's no surprise that jack dorsey would put out the justification for what he did, totally rambling and incoherent, it's well known as being not particularly smart. he himself has said that. it's no surprise, there is no coherence, it's purely reactive. it goes deeper. nikki haley was talking about the platform being a platform

for free expression. it started out out see that with what goes on and what doesn't. pick is based on their politics. jack dorsey not only allowed content on his platform that was promoting violence, specifically saying, go to the beverly center in los angeles, 6:00 p.m. they not only allow that, they promoted that in the what is happening section? if it's violence he approves of, he promotes it. everyone must call it out for what it really is which is an attack on the free expression they once claim to defend.

>> i feel like the focus on twitter is too narrow and kind of misses the real danger of what is going on. it's four large tech monopolies, amazon, google, facebook, coming together to not just censor speech, but to shut down a business. that is talking about parler, they can shut you down and put you out of business if they feel like it, doing the bidding of politicians and the people who work at those companies were left-wing liberals. >> yesterday when president trump addressed the nation, he condemned political violence from his own side and then he said he was deeply concerned about these tech oligarchs silencing freedom of expression. this is the big issue and your right twitter. what happened this week with the

sales leader free, people realized how much power these tech platforms have and they started sounding the alarm, whether they were limiting the use of these platforms or making plans about it. it shows how this move from the woke mob on the left against president trump has international repercussions. he is trying to do damage control, but democrats who now control everything in d.c. are pushing them to limit that freedom of expression. they are in a tight spot going forward. >> leslie, house democrats put out a report just three months ago that called these tech companies monopolies, facebook, apple, google and amazon. they withdrew 450 pages of how it needs to be addressed in terms of regulation, breaking them up because they are a grave threat to our society and economy. now what? these tech companies are currying favor with democrats,

trying to call it off. >> there is a lot of things here, certainly they are a monopoly, that's common sense. at the end of the day, they don't care, i'm sorry, they don't care about free speech and maybe they do care about promoting a liberal ideology and quite frankly, the first amendment doesn't apply there, private company. here's what applies, money, they're hurting their own business because there are many consumers that will say, forget it. if you're not going to represent and put forth my views then i'm not going to be a part of it. all violent and dangerous beach should be removed because words have meaning. the rhetoric can be dangerous, it can be like gasoline on a fire. we saw that last week. that is what they're doing. one thing regarding the

international, uganda, the government has a complete blackout of all these companies, twitter, facebook, et cetera. >> parler got shot down but much of that was organized on facebook. still up and operating. alexander garcia quarter's and enter a new, rain inthe media, these fonts to protest and whether lawmakers didn't have to condemn the rioters. thousands of troops now descend on washington, d.c., to protect the capital before the inauguration. why one house republicans says this could have been avoided. >> that we prosecuted blm and rioters with the same determination these last six months, this incident may not have happened at all. ♪ ♪

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>> suppressing free speech is not the answer, holding rioters accountable for their actions is accountable and we are. if we could prosecuted blm and antifa riders across the country with the same determination these last six months, this incident may not have happened at all. >> there you go, on the house floor yesterday saying his colleague should have been tougher on rioters over the summer. his remarks come as some 20,000 national guard troops are expected to be around the capital ahead of joe biden's inauguration next wednesday. steve, i want to talk about this a little bit because he makes a point here. we have very different reactions to different writers, but also the people who try to overtake the capital last

wednesday, they read the playbok from antifa and blm protesters over the summer and they figured out how to get a large group of people together, mast, and centralized in a hurry. you have one that leads to the other, but very different repercussions for both. >> it's interesting, i agree with what you've said there, we all would come of the people who did this, who committed the crime need to be held accountable for that applies both ways. we did see over the summer a sense that there was a double standard. if it was a cause, the democrats and media approved of, you saw that, injury, who says you have to protest peacefully and so on? i think i was consistent, i said we have to distinguish those who are committing crimes from a

rioting and understand those who are protesting peacefully have an account. we need to face the difference between those people, the minority who went and committed crimes, totally unacceptable, but the vast majority, including that protest last week who were concerned about the election and how it is reasons to want action taken on those abuses we saw in the election. that's a reasonable thing, just like against racial discrimination and for racial justice. we have to be consistent. >> but there is inconsistency, molly, why is it you can have a autonomous zone in seattle or for the cap buyer, that was awful. no one wants to see that again, but somehow when you have people who are extremely angry on the fringe and feel like they can

take something on either side, why should there be an equal application of justice. >> if people see there was not incitement, they're looking at how people were led to it in the longer term, there are ways to go around there weird also, double standards are untenable and it's one of the most obvious things in the world. if you don't enforce rule of law and don't enforce it consistently, it causes problem. they have been consistent, they condemn political violence, the media endorse a quite a bit. this is a rare opportunity and this is something where people should be putting pressure. >> yes, peaceful protest,

american, political violence, unacceptable. corey busch said this about impeaching president trump. watch. >> if we fail to remove the white supremacist president, its communities like missouri's first district that suffer the most. it starts with the teaching assistant and sheep. >> house republican by this black americans and hispanics who vote for donald trump. this line is something that they always do. they tried to bring race into something to weaponize their argument, to make people quiet. strong words. your thoughts? >> i do not think donald trump

is a white supremacist, however we did see last week's symbols of white supremacy. we saw a noose that was hanging outside, we saw camp auschwitz t-shirts, that's offensive, having lost relatives in the holocaust. we see individual rights of i don't think they're playing a race card, it's clear there are people out there that hate individuals who are different than themselves based on the color of their skin or their religion.

>> everything is labeled a racist. you take a powerful term that had definite meaning meaningless which, that is unconscionable to me. your thoughts? when joe biden wt day after the election, a neighbor came up to me in the street and said, how can we come together? i said, you can start by telling all of your friends who are liberals to stop calling trump supporter's racists, bigots and. and here we are. these words are being used over and over again. this is part of the, someone on twitter once said to me, a left-wing liberal liberal out of hollywood said auschwitz needed to be reopened to gas and

incinerate me literally what. at the cauldron of hatred that you've seen in the real world and i don't know where one ends on the other begins, but i know it's got to stop. >> well said. lasted for questioning republican congressman, the veteran who lost both of his legs in combat. the panel weighs in on the reaction. that is coming up. new concerns over first amendment rights after squad member alexandria ocasio-cortez says congress is looking at forming a commission. what she calls, battling disinformation. stay with us. >> we are going to have to

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event when she accused the mainstream media of pursuing mains, that. does she even know what she is saying? >> it's a great question, the terrifying thing is that she does, but she doesn't see anything wrong with it. what is the natural evolution of what has been going on on the left for many years now, you see it and we call it cancel culture, but it has deeper roots, it goes back to the 1920s, people in europe, they were asking themselves, why did the communist revolution take hold and they concluded because it wasn't as he said about economics, it's about those institutions that keep people committed to the current system, family and faith. making their revolutions have been through the media and culture, this is the natural

culmination of it. it's frightening. it's not just on american it's anti-american. this is the big battle over the next few years. >> pick it up where steve left it. this is what they're thinking. >> we have seen on the left a lot of intent to go after all the freedoms and the first amendment, freedom of speech, all of these things are important to the american people. this is something people need to understand. at the same time, people need news literacy and i was so important and the last four years, so many members were pushing delusional and deranged conspiracy theories. it's important people understand how to read the news, watch the news and understand what is true

and what is being pushed apart by an agenda or conspiracy theory. >> kennedy? >> it's pretty incredible, she touches on something, what about the 16-19 project that was riddled with falsehood. alexandria ocasio-cortez has told plenty of lies on her own and media interviews, on twitte. you look at something like this and i wonder to find misinformation and how that manifests, the question on my show last night was, who is in charge of the committee? republicans take control of the majority, are they in charge of the misinformation, are they the ones who got to rein in the media and pick and choose who is viewing the most? it's an incredibly dangerous and slippery slope.

>> this goes back to what we were talking about earlier, you have big tech, these monopolies working in coordination or at the direction of in some instances of these liberal politicians. it's not just, this is what she's talking about, but then you have this private crackdown. >> first of all, twitter and a news network, they're very different. we have a responsibility. journalism 101, report the facts and the story is not about you. there are individuals around networks that are giving their opinion and i agree, we have to help people understand the difference between fact and opinion based on the facts that are presented. yesterday, i screamed out loud when i saw "the washington post" announce joe biden would be spending the night before the

inauguration. we have a responsibility to be careful and to be responsible. not just in the media, but security officials did say that when they had briefed our congressional members a couple of days ago. >> a member of congress has a responsibility to understand the first amendment and what it represents. >> excuse me. a congressman lost his leg serving in afghanistan, he has is patriotism questioned by cable news host after he opposed the president's second. that congressman response. >> he was questioning your commitment to democracy. how do you feel about that? ♪ ♪

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abroad, although i don't know -i don't know if it's commitment to the united states. >> taking the high road with this response is unwavering. i love this place so much it literally breaks my heart to see the divide that exists in it. >> if you want to attack speech or what he had to say, that's one thing, but to bring his service and sacrifice, it's appalling. >> there is a couple of points. it's interesting that jake tapper, also a news host over on cnn, he's become completely opinionated and how he covers everything over the last couple of months. he is kind of been radicalized in his opposition to

republicans, president trump, and it's coming out and his language. i'm not surprised to see this. there is a deeper point, it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. this congressman believed in raising issues with how the election was carried out, but it was his opinion. as far as he was concerned, his actions were in support of democracy, someone else might see at a different way. there are two sides, many more sides to different arguments and it shows the futility of having that kind of role for who can say what, aoc, democrats and the media itself. cnn itself wants to shut down fox news. we heard that the other day. it's also dangerous and wrong. . >> and there also suffocating.

i think jake tapper is a giant baby ended such such a stupid unforced error and that is why he's been widely condemned for saying that. if rules apply, jake tapper would have to wear a hat based on what he was doing in the present moment. i'm a journalist now, i'm in opinionated are now, i think this is the most foolish thing i've ever seen him say. it's like, who the hell is he to question something like that. >> molly? >> remember that jake tapper, not in an opinion person, but a news person was one of the instigators of that russia collusion hoax. he was one of the four coauthors that pushed that dossier into public purview and that was done in his capacity as a news person. for him to call someone else

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what? after she announced the house will soon be slapping hefty fines on lawmakers who refused to go through metal detectors. the first offense cost $5,000. second time violators will be hit with a $10,000 fine taken right out of the lawmakers excelerator here this is the house looks to impose fines starting at $500 for lawmakers who do not wear masks. the fine for the second offense would be $2500. she really likes her control, leslie comeau do you about this? >> quite frankly upset that people can't consider themselves not above the law. when i went to the white house i had to go through a metal detector and put things in a bin. when i go to the airport and all of these congressional members go to the air port they go through a metal detector. when i went into the chamber during a state of the union address i wonder a metal detector. this is not about her having a power trip, this is about quite frankly her sadly having to run a day care center with some of

these elected officials acting like petulant children that want us to follow the rules. wear a mask i might go through the metal detector, that's what the public has to do, you are not above the people that elected you into your positions. this is for the greater good and quite frankly, i feel bad that she even has to do this. but she does, because you have to do something and people love money. maybe they will follow the rules now. >> the greater good. i love the greater good, steve, the greater good is responsible for so much damage in this country. my question is why start with the metal detectors? one night a full body cavity search for these members? >> i think with all the other thing and why stop with these issues? what i would like to see is fines to enforce nancy pelosi's new speech codes. remember last week she banned all of that gendered language. you can't say anything mother daughter father whatever. yesterday, and her own impeachment speech, she described herself as a mother and a daughter and so on, a

grandmother. she should be fine. she should find herself for that disgusting gendered language. >> she is a hack is what she has. $10,000 per violation, molly, what would it be the solution here? >> it might not even be totally constitutional to take away people's income. the constitution does she know how they rose but you're not allowed to alter your income until the next congressional session. thomas nancy was raising concerns about that on the unilateral power that all speakers have, whether they are republican or democrat. it would've been great for nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell to have better security last week when the riot happened. this reaction i think they think it's going very well for them to have troops everywhere and all of these restrictions on liberty. in a free country it on the kill looks as good as they think it does. it's important to secure these chambers and whatnot, but it's not -- it's just not

appropriate. people need to remember what it means to be american and free people and how to build trust instead of doing security theater. >> that's a great term. i'm going to give you the last word. steve, will the capital ever returned to normal? we have 15 seconds. >> i think it well. i think in the end it will calm down and we will get back to normal. that's what people want to. they don't want all the chaos and violence and hate. we want to faced on the big arguments but we don't want to see this type of thing. >> well said. well it is a new year and a new lineup coming to fox news channel. you are going to love every minute of it. starting on monday, america's notes from will kick off they come from 9-11:00 a.m. eastern time followed by harris faulkner and the faulkner first. then "outnumbered" out at noon. then as the debut of american reports live coanchored by john roberts and sandra smith.

the story from blair to brenna time, 3:00 p.m. eastern. fox news prime time kicks off i don't 7:00 p.m. you can watch and every single time so on. we love it and we will hope to see right there. thanks much to everybody on the virtual couch today. it's been a blast. now here is dagen and first b3. >> fox news alert. the showdown over a big tech censorship of conservatives in court that i feared a federal hearing gets underway. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm dagen mcdowell in for harris faulkner. the social media app parlor, a favorite of trump supporter's, now suing him suing amazon after it forced the site off-line. essentially putting it out of business. parlor article arguing that amazon violated antitrust laws. amazon says the site was not removing violent content. now parlor ceo warren said his platform he never r