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the greg g gutfeld show and somehow he's allowing me to guest host the show tonight at 10 p.m. i can't believe it. i'm not going to try too hard because there's only one gregg g utfeld. check it out tonight at 10:00. will: see you all tomorrow. pete: have a wonderful saturday. jedediah: goodbye. neil: seeing our nations capitol today as 25,000 national guard troops strong, occupied capitol more than we have in iraq and afghanistan combined that you've heard before but what you might not be hearing is how law enforcement is gearing up for pro-trump rallies in all 50 state capitols this weekend, special attention are states like arizona, georgia, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, all battleground states and all getting extra attention by their governors. we got late word right now that in michigan, they've closed down the capitol in lansing, and any
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access to it. similarly, going on in florida right now, an effort to go ahead and get additional troops throughout the state, 250 have been called by florida governor ron desantis and in kentucky the capitol is closed through sunday, that under an executive order by governor andy desheer and on and on we go and the word about something they want to make sure they're extra ready for that. welcome everybody, i'm neil cavuto, happy saturday to you and we think it will still be happy, obviously, inauguration week. they want to make sure that everyone is protected and everyone is safe. chasing down all sorts of chatter that seems to hint up something that maybe could get in the way of that. let's get the latest from steve herrigan with what they're doing to make sure that doesn't happen. hey, steve. reporter: neil, they're doing a lot and it's a very visible presence too. we're at the edge of what's known as the green zone in washington d.c. a secure area really downtown part of the city that is pretty much sealed off
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by members of the national guard you have to have a government vehicle or be a resident basically to get in and as you mentioned the numbers keep going up national guard armed from 21,000 to 25,000 all 50 states and number of agents are involved secret service taking the lead, the tsa, customs, border protection, fema all playing a role and there are fences and barricades of every shape and size all around d.c., big fences, small fences, razor wire, concrete blocks and so much of the city is really closed off as well. they've shutdown four major bridges between virginia and d.c., 13 metro stations are closed, bus stations are closed, the mayor is basically telling people, stay away from the city this week. this is an overwhelming show of force to try and prevent trouble in the days ahead. neil back to you. neil: all right, steve, thank you for that update, in our nations capitol where they're bat oning down the hatches just to make sure it is safe for all,
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in the meantime i want to go to the former secret service agent, who was in this role of just heading up security and making sure everything would go smooth ly in 1997 for those inaugurations, for bill clinton. he joins us right now, dan, thank you for taking the time. >> sure thing, neil. neil: now, you didn't have to shutdown the capitol, everyone was invited, and these events are open party to all of the american people, whether you voted for the guys sworn in or not very different circumstances changed by events the week before last, i get that what do you make of everything and every precaution and the 25,000-plus troops, all of that? >> you know, neil back in those days, it was really the good old days, where everybody sort of got along and everything was just sort of went along in a traditional manner. this particular inauguration is going to be one like no other, number one the fact that there's not really going to be anybody there, which that makes it easy
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to control, because if there are no people, then, you know, your threat level is greatly diminished. you add to that the overwhelming show of force, which an overwhelming show of force in many cases will actually deter the violence that might come along, so, i anticipate that we're going to have a pretty peaceful inauguration and nothing along the lines of last wednesday. neil: you know, obviously, even before last wednesday, if you think about it then because of the virus, it was going to be, i would the say low key but a lower key affair and now we got word and i talked to a number of congressmen and women this past week and they have free tickets to go and they don't want to go. not all of them, certainly but a good man it so i'm just wondering, i understand the immediate area around the capitol is closed off, roads and bridges that go into and out of the district will be shutdown , if they're not already
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some might say this is overkill. do you think it's overkill? >> no, i don't. not this time due to coronavirus , due to what happened last wednesday. quite frankly last wednesday, the capitol police got caught flat-footed in spite of an abundance of intelligence telling them that something was going to happen. i can assure you that director jim murray of the secret service is not going to get caught flat footed on inauguration day so no i don't think it's over kill and i don't think there's any such thing as overkill in a situation like this because it can't be allowed to happen again. neil: you know, dan, the added threat is not so much the capitol right now, but this weekend given the fact that a number of trump-friendly protests were supposed to take place this weekend, are scheduled to go, and a number of governors that take an effort to make sure they don't get out of hand. what are your thoughts on that, because even in florida, they brought in troops and a number of other states they brought in
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troops, virginia. i'm just wondering what you make of that and just getting through the weekend? >> i think the governors are making a very wise decision by deploying the guard they have remaining. i know a lot of them, almost all of them have committed forces to the washington d.c. area, so the ones that they have held back in reserve certainly should be used to protect their own capitols. look, you have to learn from history, neil, and the history is that if you underestimate your adversary, that bad things are going to happen, so, any governor that gets overwhelmed by rioters and so on just hasn't been paying attention. neil: you know, dan, just personal insight seeing you have quite a bit of experience and the baton pass from one president to the other, usually we physically see that and those watching on tv we won't see it this go-around president trump will be leaving early inauguration day morning heading off to florida, so that symbolic
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passing of the baton isn't going to happen. we saw that of course in the first inauguration that you handled going from george bush s r to bill clinton and i guess from a security standpoint that might be a welcome development but your thoughts on that? >> well, the simpler the better normally, every four years the secret service dusts off the play book from the last inauguration, makes a few adjustments and it's business as usual. that's just not the case here. i think that one of the biggest things, neil, is that the forces involve whether it's the 25,000 guards soldiers or whether it's law enforcement, they have to have a very clear rules of engagement set forth. it doesn't do any good to have thousands of security people if they don't know what they're supposed to do when confronted with any given situation, so i think that in this case, they're all going to be well versed in what they can do, what they can't do, everything from non-
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lethal force all the way up to lethal force. hopefully, the guardsmen, who were all carrying m-4 weapons hopefully they'll actually have ammunition neil: you know, they haven't been able to connect with last wednesday's uprising whatever you want to call it, dan, whether it was aggressively pre- planned or whether there was more of a method to it. they haven't determined that yet , still the capitol police lieutenant was relieved of his duties for wearing a maga hat. there are others that are apparently part of a widening probe, sweep of more than 300 individuals at last count. what do you think of just those developments and the shear number of people who are being investigated now? >> well, law enforcement officers, people in the military , they all are allowed to have their own political beliefs, but they have to leave those political beliefs at the door, when they put their uniform on, when they put the badge on and when they go to
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work and they also have to keep in mind that they are a reflection of their department or their agency, so regardless of their political beliefs, political views, each one has the obligation to behave when a certain parameter of deportment and not bring disgrace, if you will, or embarrassment on their department. neil: all right, we should clarify this , lieutenant who was relieved of his duties been wearing that maga hat on duty that day and that's what brought up the concern. dan thank you very very much for bringing your perspective, former secret verse agent assigned to handle both clinton ages, 1993 and 1997 and to lucas tomlinson in washington on the other development that impeachment of the present president of the united states. it hasn't been kicked to the senate yet, where of course that's where their trial would begin, and i guess there's a detail to that right? nancy pelosi has to formally
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hand it over to the senate, right? lucas, she hasn't done that yet? reporter: that's right, neil the senate will be coming back before inauguration day but that's for confirmation hearings and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell says any potential impeachment hearing will have to wait until after biden is sworn in. house speaker, as you mentioned, neil wanted things to move much more quickly. >> wednesday-to-wednesday, that president was impeached in a bipartisan way by the house of representatives. so urgent was the matter, they're now working on taking this to trial, and one day, you'll be the first to know. reporter: this as some republicans argue impeachment is not settling political scores but a new abc washington post poll finds a majority of americans want to see the president disqualified from ever holding office again. 56% of those surveyed want the president tossed out before wednesday. political selected nine democrat
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s by maryland congressman served as impeachment managers and it's unclear how long a trial may take and how long such a controversial case could impact democratic priorities in a biden administration's first 100 days. >> their agenda for four years has been to make donald trump a villain and now that he's leaving the white house we'll see what they will really be up to and it's bills like hr-1 and massive spending bills. reporter: top democrats say they support biden's $1.9 trillion stimulus package, but they also remain focused on other priorit ies including creating a national same day voter registration, statehood for washington d.c. and the tax increases on wealthy americans. the senate conviction for president trump is unlikely however, democrats need at least 17 republican senators to cross the aisle and join them. neil: i'm just curious, you know the apparatus involved here in washington but is it possible the senate never takes it up, it may be given the new adam schiff and its perogatives and its
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goals and the fact that donald trump would then be a former president that they just drop it >> that is a possibility, neil in fact there's some democrats that want to move forward with the biden agenda and the only way to do that is have the senate focused on that. bills won't get passed if the senate is focused on impeachment and that's the big argument in washington, neil. neil: got it thank you, my friend very much on a saturday no less the guy works every day, but then again he's young, right he can do that. lucas tomlinson, already we have a lot more coming up you heard about twitter going after the president silencing him, and then they say this is much bigger than donald trump. then a u.s. senator says oh, really? really? after this.
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friends who want to just defend the first amendment, then it ought to. neil: all right, the mississippi senator is concerned be careful what you wish for here, because the same groups are praising some of these high-tech social media firms like twitter and the hopes of others, all but shutting down donald trump, and in fact that's essentially what they've done. the same could happen to them, and in fact that was, you know, a point of view echoed by no less than pat dorsey, the head of twitter in self that this is bigger than donald trump and josh blockman joins us a constitutional lawyer and josh, what do you make of that that we have opened up a can of worms here by targeting the social media company, anything donald trump was saying, anything is semitism pythiased or supporters are saying, then be careful, because the same could happen to someone else. >> i think it's a huge deal
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from the president of the united states. in the past, twitter has put these little flags on trump's tweets saying they were inaccurate but now president trump has no way to actually reach the free world and many other world leaders are far more oppressive in iran and saudi arabia and china, and still have their twitter accounts active, but in the united states the president has no way of communicating on social media. neil: all right, i was mentioning jack dorsey it, i think that i was thinking about an old contributor, but let me ask you a little bit about the position he's in right now, and twitter, more to the point, is in because a lot of criticism has come that they were having all this violent talk before and now shutting it down, that there has got to be ramifications for that. >> right, so i think you have to look at this in two ways. one, can the government require the sort of tech companies to keep count alive, that's the
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first angle and the second is what happens if these tech companies that are perhaps leading to violence which is i think what triggered it. dorsey concluded that trump's tweet led to the violence at the capitol and twitter might have been afraid, perhaps recently, that twitter could be held accountable for hosting this sort of speech, so it's a double-edged sword, if you require these companies to keep count alive, then you perhaps have to immunize them from the risk of that post, people want to takeaway their immunity they are more likely to delete accounts they find that are risky so it's two-facetted. neil: you know, a lot of people think there's an agenda too go after conservative thoughts, sometimes i think that we over analyze these thing, josh, a lot are afraid of getting sued and the better part is remove this kind of talk than getting suit but leaving that aside, it's easy for me to see examples of where conservative points of view were shutdown, whether or not they're violent, versus or little of that, on the other
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side of the ledger. what do you make of that? >> yeah, i think there's certainly a double standard. a lot of these companies have this sort of pressure mobs that people lobby them and tell the businesses to advertise on twitter and at a certain point these companies recognize that there's a bigger risk to leaving conservative speech than liberal speech so there's definitely a double standard here. i just don't know if government can stick with the double standard perhaps making things worse. neil: you know, do you think part of this though, is part of some of these social media companies, we want to have favor with democrats who now have the run of the table in washington to control the white house, the senate, the house, and, you know, you don't want to do anything to tick them off, and not that this will ease the talk of breaking some of these guys up because they got too big for their britches, but this might have been a motivation. what do you think? >> oh, yeah i think the world is turning. i expected them to shutdown
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trump's twitter on january 20, they did it about 10 days earlier with the recent events in d.c. recognize that these companies, these big tech companies are regulated by the democrats now and are going to move their agenda to be more favorable to what that legislation would look like. neil: josh, where did the president go to get the word out? it's one thing as president you can put out a video and then the world can see it, but how do you cut through a social media world that's prevented you from getting through? >> you know, trump's tweets always made me insane whenever they pop-up on my phone, oh, my god he tweeted but at least i knew what he was thinking and what was on his mind and he was fairly clear and he told people what he was thinking. now we have no idea what he's thinking and that's actually perhaps more problematic and when you shut people down on twitter, whether trump or someone else they go quiet and backchannel and we don't know what they're thinking and that might be more dangerous. who knows maybe at some point he can apply to reactivate his
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account, and he can't use parler that was shutdown as well so really trump has no way and i think he tried using other social media accounts, every single twitter account was shutdown he tried to use so he's truly not been able to access social media since january 10 or so. neil: real quickly, do you think joe biden will be using social media much, twitter, any of that as much? >> oh, very likely perhaps with moderated tweets by a committee of 100 people. i don't think off the cuff stuff that trump did. neil: okay, you're probably right about that, josh blackman, constitutional lawyer, thank you very very much. all right as you know, we're only days away from the inauguration of a new operation, we thought this be a good time to assess the economic of the market record of the outgoing president. it's his last weekend at the white house. one thing he can look back on with some degree of pride is the incredible bull market that still thrives as he's on his way out, after this.
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neil: all right you're looking live at the white house. this is the last weekend donald j. trump will be in the white house and of course he leads inauguration morning wednesday morning heading off to florida, but we thought this be a good opportunity to step back and talk about the record he has left, certainly for the markets and we're going to get into this a little bit more in the next hour but suffice it to say, from the moment he was elected to the moment he lost on election day to joe biden, the s&p 500 has been moving at a 12% clip. in other words, rising, on average, 12% annually, throughout his presidency, only bill clinton and calvin coolidge had better performances and i should stress all of this coming from markets that
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were already strong, and in those other gentlemen's cases they previewed market collapses because the market had simply gotten overvalued and it is a perspective, sometimes lost in the back and forth over his language, his tweets and all of that. let's explore this in a little bit more detail, getting to stimulus and what his successor wants to do to keep all that hum ming, dan geltrude, adam lashinsky and rebecca walzer. rebecca, maybe what led to that assault on capitol hill, as far as the markets are concerned, he was this bull market, wasn't he? >> yes, he was, neil. he did a great job and we should be, i don't think we would have survived coronavirus and the shutdown and the just complete shutdown if we hadn't had a really strong foundation and now, what we need to do is figure out how to restore and move forward, and so yeah, we definitely can thank him for the last four years of bull
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markets. neil: you know, dan, you had mentioned very early on in the trump presidency that before he got his tax cuts, he was cutting regulations, and that really proceeded the boom that came and was iced with the , obviously, the tax cuts that would later come. your thoughts on that and how it could be potentially reversed now? >> there were three pillars, in my mind, neil, that really kept the market full charge ahead during the trump presidency. that was the deregulation, that was the tax cuts, and it ultimately was his attitude of pushing that stock market higher and higher through interest rates remaining low. we already saw how much he was riding jerome powell initially about getting those interest rates low, so this was a president who was extremely
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focused in on the markets and he always touted how people were benefiting from their 401 (k), so that really was something that he really wanted to stamp his name on and he certainly did neil: you know, adam, much has been said about the market's continued rise even after the president lost and, you know , it's unabated here and i'm wondering is the stimulus a part of it? the nearly $2 trillion that joe biden plans to put out there, it's up for a vote, and we'll see whether he gets everything he wants, but the markets got stimulus now and do you think that is what's going to keep this going? >> clearly, the stimulus that we've already had has helped stabilize the economy, so the markets have come from that and yes, i think the markets believe that the biden administration will get at least some or most of the stimulus that it's asking for , neil, in other words there may be fights about aspects of it.
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there may be fights about the size, but there's broad consensus that they will get , you know, a very large chunk of it that that will help stabilize things and then the other things , the other very important things that the administration intends to do to fight the pandemic, i think, gives the market hope that later in 2021, the united states can get back to a sort of normal economic behavior, which it clearly is not experiencing at the moment. neil: yeah, maybe that could explain last week notwithstanding a down week for the market averages, not all of them, small stocks did very very well but it's something to watch because that, i know markets tend to focus on things that are down the road and they are optimistic down the road i guess. rebecca let me get your take though on getting that stimulus through, and a lot of people have always talked about republicans won't go along with them, won't be generous but you have people like alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders said it's not generous enough,
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the $1,400 checks, or stimulus checks, even though married to the $600 that's already gone out there aren't generous enough, so , could joe biden face more resistance from his own party than from the other party? >> well, we're going to see a lot less resistance for his platform than donald trump ever faced and that's because obviously, he has, you know, both houses of congress so we have democratic control all around and that leaves him to have a lot more leeway and potential to be pushed more to the extreme left on the aoc bernie sanders side and my concern, neil, is that this is starting to follow the monetary theory that central banks can just print money indefinitely forever that really that's how we print money and there's no real value. this is very dangerous. you've got 1.9 trillion being proposed now on top of the 4 trillion between cares act , federal reserve last year, $6 trillion, in less than 12 months of time is absolutely un
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sustainable and is really a death sentence for the country long term. the tax rates and everything else. >> neil, i could not disagree more, the reason he will be pushed less, perhaps, than the current president has been is that we're in the middle of a crisis. there's ample evidence that the stimulus that biden is suggesting is more powerful than what obama-biden did in 2009 and is warranted by this crisis, and if anything, the $1,400, neil, shows that he is willing to moderate. he is trying to cut the balance between this 2,000 that was discussed in georgia, and whatever the republicans want which is, you know, nothing perhaps. neil: all right, we should explain that it ends up being 2,000 if you take the $600 from before, dan very quick thought on that. >> this is just the beginning of the push for spending, neil, but i believe legislating is hard and with razor thin
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majorities that the democrats have, i don't think it's going to be so easy for them to spend as wildly as aoc and bernie sanders would like to see. neil: all right, i know you guys are coming back so i wait for that don't wander too far. in the meantime, 100 million doses in 100 days, can we do that? joe biden says we can, the devils in the details though , after this. my retirement plan with voya keeps me moving forward. they guide me with achievable steps that give me confidence. this is my granddaughter... she's cute like her grandpa. voya doesn't just help me get to retirement... ...they're with me all the way through it. voya. be confident to and through retirement.
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neil: all right, you think about it we had what, 50 million doses at a minimum of available vaccines at the ready, and yet, fewer than 11 or 12 million americans have actually gotten those doses. it's a problem and it's a big worry for no less than the incoming president of the united states, joe biden, who wants to up the ante a little bit and is putting the pressure on governors, to
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get doses out, and fast. 100 million such doses out in his first 100 days. is that doable? let's go to the former health and human services secretary, utah governor as well. secretary, what do you think? 100 million doses in 100 days. >> first of all, good morning, neil. neil: good morning. >> we've got to speed this up. any time you're doing something that requires this kind of planning, logistics you're going to learn lessons and we've learned some very early. one is that as nobel as it was to try to stratify those who need it the most first, it turns out that that really slows us down, and so clearly, across the country, now governors are saying we have to speed it up and we've got to broaden the categories and get needles in arms and i think we'll see that happen across the country and i think governor s are responding to that and i think it'll be part of the federal strategy.
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neil: well the federal strategy might have some of the governors work because it would have not a one-size-fits-all, secretary, but a policy of just getting it out let's say everyone gets it or anyone 65 and older gets it or something to generalize and get it out into americans arms and fast. what do you think of that? >> well, look, i'm a republican i was a governor. i was federalism matters to me as much as anyone in the world, but this is clearly a national problem. this is clearly an interstate problem. we're simply giving them information, and i say we, they are getting information, and the information is that this technique of starting with one small group and then progressing to another is not moving fast enough, so feel free to broaden those categories and just get needles in arms. neil: now, in the meantime, you know, the surges have been particularly in new york, new jersey, and arizona, california, rhode island, so it's sort of
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like woman whack-a-mole, the data all changes so what do you think is going on when you talk about the virus that's out there, complicating efforts even though the vaccines will address it, but where do you think this is going as far as tackling these spikes? >> neil, this is just the nature of viruses, and it also points out why this is a national and international issue , not just a local issue, because people are moving from place to place, and it's very difficult to constrict movement, enough, and particularly to keep an economy going without that, so ultimately the formula has to be let's get people vaccinated let's get the weather improving where people are able to move around and we'll be able to get this under control. neil: very quickly, we know and we're going to explore this in our next hour, governor, but dollar general, trader joe's, instacart, a host of other companies are incentivizing
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their workers even through bonuses to get a vaccine. what do you make of that, should state workforces require the same? should this be, you know, just a rule? you want to return to work, you better have your vaccine. >> well this is an old issue, it happens every year, even with the flu or for childhood immunization, and one of the things we're learning here is that yes, there was vaccine resistance, but as time goes on, the resistance goes away. what people have been worried about is doing it too quickly. now that we've been in the marketplace for a while, and we've seen vaccines put into the arms of 10 million people, and nothing extreme has occurred , we're now seeing demand pickup. i also think we're beginning to see employers and others realiz ing that this is an important part of not just the health of employees but the health of businesses, and the people that they serve. in my mind, that's obviously a decision every employer needs to
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make but it's a responsible decision to encourage people, by whatever means, to do something that's good for them and also good for their business and for the community. neil: you know, secretary, as you know and pointed out in the past, spikes are happening in places where they've had very strict lockdown provisions and restrictions and places where they haven't. it doesn't seem to be a huge distinction and now along comes a stanford university survey that pretty much confirms what you said, and saying that there is really no big difference in the impact with countries, states that have had strict lockdown measures versus those that kept it largely voluntary. worldwide, south korea and sweden came to mind where they didn't go mandatory lockdowns and the rest but they had heavy voluntary guidelines, and they are the better for it versus a world where we have the germany and italy to a lesser extent, ourselves, where lockdown
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provisions were in effect for months. i'm just wondering what there is to learn from that? >> well any society where there is effective voluntary measures that practice good safety, they will be more productive than one that depends on group behavior where everyone is locked down. there is a, those are effective, but only short-term, and if you look at that study i think you'd see that they can be effective short-term, but in the long term , they make little difference, because people cease to practice those behaviors but this is really down to something that we control and it is can we practice behaviors that are in both personal interest, community interest, our economic interests, and then get vaccines and overcome this quickly. neil: all right, secretary, very good catch, the former health and human services secretary, former utah governor, much more we're going to be monitoring all of this and the biden plans to
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aggressively get doses out to the american public, whether you're talking lockdowns or not , we're also hearing word from the biden camp that at the very least he's going to continue demanding masks, at least through late spring, and after that, it could be voluntary, but at least starting things off with an order. after this. sofi made it so easy to pay off my student loan debt. they were able to give me a personal loan so i could pay off all of my credit cards. i got my mortgage through sofi and the whole process was so easy. ♪ express yourself ♪ ♪ ♪ express yourself ♪ ♪
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neil: all right, well, forgive those out in the upper midwest, if they're not so much focused on planned protests this weekend as much as digging out from a wicked blizzard, rick reichmuth has more on where that stands right now, hey, rick. rick: yeah, keeping everybody busy certainly right now. i'll tell you what, i'll tell you the fortunate news is that the quick-moving storm, so, kind of brought the really windy conditions yesterday, across parts of the northern plains and then its moved on and behind it not that bitterly cold air either so you notice 29 degrees right now in minneapolis, not that bad in fact that's warmer
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than your average high temperature for this time of the year. that storm, however, continues to pull up towards the east as it has, its weakened a little bit, so it's not as strong, doesn't have as much wind with it and it's moving very quickly. you get the idea and the rain is done across parts of the mid-atlantic where we saw heavy rain overnight and even a little bit of thunder associated with this storm across areas of massachusetts but new york city, philadelphia, the rain is over for you in fact we'll see clear ing skies throughout the afternoon and pretty much for everybody, we'll see that except for far areas of northern new england. right now, the rain about to exit boston we're talking about rain across the coastal areas, the snow is across interior sections and especially with elevations so a lot of the ski resorts across parts of the northeast getting really good snow and beneficial snow certainly need that for those businesses. then we're watching a little bit of leftover snow behind us we'll see couple bouts of energy over the next couple of days throughout say tomorrow so we still have some snow to fall could cause slick roads very quickly, that said not major accumulation with this.
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one other story that we're going to be talking about we really haven't had any real significant cold air anywhere across the lower 48 or at least sustained cold air. that's the pink that you see and that's where we've got kind of that massive arctic air and we're going to see it start to dip down a little bit. we get a little bit of a taste of that on monday, and then it kind of retreats again, but we're starting to see you'll notice this get a little bit closer here in towards the lower 48 and i think by the time we get towards next weekend could be talking about some prolonged, at least winter-like air coming in across parts of the far northern plains. neil? neil: all right, rick, thank you very much, my friend, rick reichmuth following all of those developments. we are also following the path of impeachment right now. it gets kicked to the senate so far not formally presented to the senate and a lot of people are looking at how this could damage donald trump even as a private citizen, but we've got an interesting angle on this it could also damage the guy who beat him, and his 100-day agenda , after this.
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>> he should be convicted and forever barred from holding any office in this country for the rest of his life. neil: well, the only way i guess that could happen, sir, is if the senate were to take up this measure. it wouldn't look like it would happen so soon before the inauguration when they come back, so, i know another idea has been pushed and i think you're for this , visiting it at 100 days into the biden administration, but that be going after a former president at that point. are you still for that? >> we won't be going after him. the impeachment still stands. the senate can take it up
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whenever they want to take it up , but there's also another option here. neil: do you understand, sir, i'm sorry, do you know whether chuck schumer will be the senate leader? would indeed, support that move to take this up again if the senate doesn't act now before the inauguration, that seems unlikely, to take it up in the biden administration. >> i have no idea what he will do, but as i said, i'm not too sure it's up to schumer if we were to take the 14th amendment route. neil: all right, well bottom line if you're joe biden and you have an aggressive 100 day plan , does this push to impeach your predecessor, disrupt that plan, let's ask democratic strategist who also got ben mack ey here, gop strategist, kristin what do you think i know this argument you can walk and chew gum at the same time but we've learned from congress under either party that's often not the case but does this hurt joe biden, not only getting people through from his cabinet
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and secured but that 100-day agenda? >> so i'll answer this in a little bit of a different way. you know, this is pretty personal to me. i had very dear friends who were in leader hoyer's office and speaker pelosi's office that day , barricaded themselves in offices with tables while people were screaming "we know you work for her, we're going to kill you " i say that because these people are the same staff, the same members, who are working with their counterparts in the senate, on issues that address healthcare, developing policies, they went to work the next day to talk about healthcare, to talk about climate, to talk about jobs. they're putting together legislation so can it be done? yes, is the work being done? yes. so, when you say walk and chew gum that's actually being done right now. now, the distraction and how the media covers it, i don't mean media in a disparaging way, media plays a very important role, i think there will be a lot of coverage of impeachment,
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but these things can happen simultaneously. i certainly hope that there's attention paid to all of the hard work that can be done while this is going on, but if it is a distraction, is it important? i mean, it's important that we do this , and i think the senate should move forward and the senators should cast their votes and be known where they stand because this cannot stand. neil: it's a valid point so amanda what do you think that there are a number of republican senators who, in fact, be open to taking this up, and many of whom would vote just as 10 representatives did in congress on the republican side to impeach the president, that a lot of them want to make sure that donald trump never comes back to run for elective office. do you think that's true? >> well, an ncr poll from yesterday shows that 50% of american voters don't want to see president trump impeached once he's gone. this is an exercise in futility,
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and the democrats in the senate know this because president trump is gone. he's in mar-a-lago, a thousand miles away. he doesn't have access to the nuclear code. he doesn't even have a social platform to speak from, but joe biden has on his hands 4,300 people who died from coronavirus and our highest number yet on tuesday. he said he's going to get 100 million shots in the arm of this vaccine in his first 100 days. how is he going to do that when the senate is going to be focused minimally they focus 21 days on a trial for president trump, 37 days for bill clinton. when is he going to have the time? i worked in the senate. there is no time if they're focused on a trial. this is a waste of time but exactly what the democrats want to do. they want to play politics with people's lives. people need to get back to work. democrat governors and mayors across america are crushing businesses, and what are the democrats focused on?
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what their base wants to hear. neil: all right, each one has their base, i guess, ladies i apologize ... and make every sandwich count. with oscar mayer deli fresh
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>> all right. prepare for anything, ready for everything. back to our show right now, live in the nation's capitol where they're getting ready with 25,000 national guard soldiers strong to prepare for any hint of violence that could happen. a big worry in the more immediate time being for the weekend, planned protests across the country, a number of pro-trump rallies that are scheduled. they're particularly looking at arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, to update you on stuff going on apart from the capitol.
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texas out of abundance of caution, are closing the capitol. fences around lansing michigan to make sure any violence is quelled and limited. 250 state national guard troops put to work in springfield, illinois. while in florida, governor ron desantis has activate guard troops at least through the 24th, after inauguration. and the capitol closed through sunday, again, out of abundance of caution. so, people are concern that things could get kind of dicey here, but they're not letting and leaving anything to chance, and certainly the case at the nation's capitol, which will see one of the more unusual inaugurations in american history. mark meredith has more from the white house. hey, mark. >> neil, good morning. if you're looking for a good workout, i remember trying to come here at the white house because you'll be walk for miles trying to get to work. there are security barriers all over the city here. we're seeing more security than
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even more d.c. residents are used to seeing. washingtonians are used to heidened security, this is another level. there are nation guard throughout the city including 5,000 active duty troops all in the wake of the riots on capitol hill. the national park service enacting a temporary closing of the national mall. look at the road maps around washington d.c., surrounding the mall and the capitol, i can't believe it and i lived here for six years. and as for president trump, we haven't seen the president since he went to texas on tuesday. his twitter account remains shut off so we're not getting the constant updates that we're used to. one update, the president planned to leave washington d.c. wednesday morning a few hours before joe biden sworn in and he and the first lady at joint base andrews and then playing down to florida westbound they will be at
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mar-a-lago. traditionally they'd wait until after the swearing in, and the leaving the capitol by andrews. that's not the days. however, vice-president mike pence will be at the inauguration for swearing in of joe biden. neil: just curious, this is the final weekend at the white house. do you know what his plans are? >> you know, they have a daily guide that comes out usually 8:00, 9:00 at night and all it says the president will have meetings and phone calls. they haven't been listing anything going on behind the scenes ap the west wing itself feels fairly empty. granted it's a saturday and would not normally be a very busy place, but traditionally in the final few days, you would expect a little more activity, more comments from the president and we simply haven't seen that and you bring up a good point. will we hear the president delivery closing remarks? will that happen before wednesday? anyone's guess. the press office certainly isn't saying anything, neil. neil: i'm sure you would be the first to find out. thank you very much, friday friend mark at the white house.
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they've closed off and cordoned off so much, the best part to do is in washington is walk if they let you through the check points. and on that issue, former fbi assistant director, s.w.a.t. team commander, so much more. danny, very good to have you. and thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. neil: what do you make of these unique preparations, preparing for the worst, hoping for the best in our nation's capital and the various state capitals? >> i think they need to do that. we've seen violence. our country has been in violence mode for a year. we had 100 days of violence in portland. so they need to get ready and neil, i'm not so much worried about this inauguration, they've got that pretty much locked down. i'm worried about what happens a month down the road. the divisive nature of our country right now is worse than anytime in my lifetime and i've seen terrible, terrible violent events and i don't want to see
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that again. i was at the oklahoma bombing and that was terrible. and it's time to get together and move and we don't need retribution. we don't need anything like that. because that's going to create more security issues for me in my business so i don't want to see that. neil: you know, danny, they talk about chatter and that's what heightens security and even the request for more national guard and state guardsmen in florida, texas, what have you. what do you make of that? >> i think that people are afraid now. ner he a seeing if they don't do something they're going to be held accountable. in the past, in the immediate past, frankly, to do nothing would seem to be okay, you could allow rioting in your city and get reelected as mayor, i think those days are gone and i think they're concerned about their future as politicians, frankly, and the safety of their people maybe
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secondarily. i think it's good we're doing that, we need to be secure, again, it's not just the capitol, it's the rest of the country and it's weeks down the road we need to be concerned about. neil: what concerns me, and you're the expert, dan, and grateful you're offering inside now, the real bad guys, not the concern for domestic activity, but you know, foreign bad guys and terrorist groups that might be taking their cues from what has happened and transpired in washington over the last week and a half or so. they get ideas, don't they? >> well, they do and you know, the fbi is all over both of it. they have international terrorism and domestic terrorism. i ran both of those programs for the fbi and they need to be very conscious about a divided country, and i think that's where we are right now and i think that's the optic that we're petting out to the world that we're divided. maybe now is the time to come after us. i hope not. we need to be vigilant.
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the fbi's joint terrorism account forces need to be going 100 miles per hour and local and state authorities, also. but it's a scary time and it's the most scary time in my life. i'm not generally a timid guy at all, i promise you that, but i'm concerned about the future of our country and it's based primarily on being a divided country and that's the biggest concern right now. neil: a lot of trump loyalists are still not happy with the election results, a good many of them marched on the capitol, on the notion that he was robbed in the election. the president has stopped talking about that since the uprising, but there are a lot of people who are angry, still angry and it's a palpable angerment i'm just wondering where do you draw the line between those who are angry about the results of an election and those who want to take it to the next step? >> that well, that's the $64,000 question, that what we need to know. i voted for president trump,
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i'm a republican, i'll tell you that, but it's time to move on. joe biden is the president and i would like to see more positive things coming from him to do away with this anger. i think, neil, i think it's not so much anger as fear. i think their fear of where we're going to go, what agenda are they going to follow, and that it's-- they're mad because they're afraid and that's something we need to get over and we need leadership and leadership means you say follow me and you hear footsteps behind you. we don't need to denigrate those who lost the election and let's move on. we're one nation undergod, let's prove it. neil: and i think you were talking about then trump supporters and now they've got to adjust here. what about joe biden himself? and maybe in his inaugural address. what do you want to hear out of him? he keeps talking about wanting to bring the country together. obviously there's a great deal of personal enmity between he
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and donald trump so much so that donald trump won't be at the inauguration. you know the drill on that. what do you want to hear from the next president? >> i want to hear basically, i'm in charge, i'm going to lead you. number one. number two, quit attacking those that he beat. that is really troubling to me and the denigration of the republican party, that's not warranted. that's not what we're all about. we need a republican party, we need a democratic party and that's the balance in our constitution, that's the balance in our way of government and i want to see more positive things come out. let's get the coronavirus handled. let's help these businesses that need help and let's open our country, let's get back to work. i think when people are not working, they get pretty nasty and i would like to see us open our country, open our schools and let's get on with the american way of life. neil: that's well-put. when people aren't working they do get pretty nasty. >> they do. neil: put that in perspective.
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danny, thank you, very, very much. and thank you for your continued service to this country. the former fbi deputy director and fbi s.w.a.t., and you do not mess with danny. and iran doing a little bit of saber rattling. you think they did a lot during the trump administration, they seem to be signaling the same for an incoming biden administration after this.
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kind of stuff, including the airline industry itself, which now says these types of people get a little in your face and a little too aggressive and they're going to be on a no-fly list and they're not going to allow to fly on planes and they don't want to take chances with the policy and the former spirit airlines ceo, ben, what do you think of this? and this seems to be a widespread airline industry policy. cool it or you're just not on our jets? >> it's great to be with you, neil. thank you. i like this policy a lot. i think it makes a lot of sense. i think it keeps passengers on airplanes safe. i think it keeps crews much safer. there's no reason for people to accost flight attendants, accost other customers on the airplane or attack people in the airport whether you agree or disagree, we can all be civil. neil: you know, these are very different times. you combine this with the covid fears and now airlines abroad,
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that are cracking down on those who fly to this country, requirements now being that they have to make sure they test negative for the coronavirus before they step foot in the united states, but it could be another reason for people to say, do i really want to fly period? are you worried? >> well, you know, i'm actually thinking this might help people because i think it's more likely when people see some of the terrible images you just shown -- that you've just shown that maybe it's not a good time to be on an airplane because maybe this is going to happen to me and i certainly don't want to get accosted and i don't want to be on a flight that gets diverted or something like that. so, i think when customers see that the f.a.a. is putting out, about uth putting this out it's more likely to deter this type of behavior. i think all else, somebody might say it's probably okay to
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fly now because the likelihood that somebody's going to mess it up is pretty small. neil: and ben, you know, and delta, and the quarters, others saying 2020 was a shocker. and 2021 by comparison. how long will it take for business, forgetting getting back to what it was, but getting appreciably better than what it is. >> it's going to take a while. i expect 2021 to be better, but that's a very low bar. the first challenge for the industry is to get back to a cash neutral or generating cash position again. most airlines in the u.s. go to bed every night with less cash than they started with that morning in the bank. and that's a very bad, dangerous financial position for the industry to be in. by bringing more customers
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back, by being disciplined on capacity deployment, and other things, the industry potentially can get to sort of a cash neutral time this summer and especially if we see a little bit more vacation travel this summer. from there, then the issue is, how do we bring back the industry into a profitable sustainable kind of industry and that's likely to take a couple of years, neil. neil: is that right? there might be something to that, ben. you think about it, i was looking around, they're giving away flights to folks. the airlines cannot be making money on this and it's had sort of tepid effect on the overall demand. some people are taking advantage of it, but not nearly enough, but they're getting zoomed both ways. >> think about the industry if somebody is apprehensive to travel and they get a really good deal, buy one, get one. or a really great fare or
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something and fly and have a good experience. they feel safe in the airport, safe on the airplane and they come back and tell friends, i was nervous, but i went and flew, that's a positive thing for the airlines. getting people on the airplane, having them experience it, it's okay to fly, that it's safe to fly as long as you have a place to go, that's a real positive thing, too. >> do you think -- i know the airline industry got some, you know, carve-outs in not the latest plan from joe biden, although i'm not aware of the latest details. how long can it last? especially some of the weaker players for whom this money is vital to keeping people from being fired. but for only so long. >> well, the latest, the latest value that was given to airlines was all about employment, and in fact, it required that airlines that had furloughed employees bring them
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back at least until the end of march, and in that case, you have employees at places like american and united that have been brought back to work, but really don't have that much to do because the airline isn't flying as much. so, that was kind of an interesting policy, i think. one of the things delta said on their call, i'm guessing you heard this, neil, they expected that delta was going to be about 15% smaller in the long run. >> yes. >> and i thought that was an interesting signaling to the industry and i think they were saying for themselves, i think they might have been sending a message to the industry saying we all need to be thinking like this. >> yeah, we're all going to get smaller whether we like it or not. ben, always good catching up with you. be safe. the former spirit airlines ceo and industry icon when you think of things he was doing when no one was doing to keep people on those planes and maybe get them back on planes of all sorts. we are going to follow that and also following the latest on
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the new washington that's going to take over where mitch mcconnell will be the minority leader in the united states senate working with someone he worked with quite well in the past, senator, now turned president joe biden. and in case, you think those two can't get along, they've been talking an awful lot on the phone. there might be something here that bears watching after this. r in every zip code? add an employee. or ten... then easily and automatically pay your team and file payroll taxes. that means... world domination! or just the west side. run payroll in less than five minutes with intuit quickbooks.
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>> all right. reports that mitch mcconnell and the incoming president of the united states joe biden have actually been talking a lot on the phone these days. certainly more than mitch mcconnell talked to the president at the white house, donald trump. that could set up the stage for what could be a productive working relationship between
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the two men, whether it's going to be analogous to democrat tip o'neil then speaker of the houseworking with ronald reagan is way too soon to tell. but both have interests that others wanted to pursue so they both come out winners. whether the same applies here, way, way too early to tell, but hillary vaughan following it out of wilmington, hillary. >> hey, neil, president-elect biden's first 100 days are going to be pricey and he says that to get out of the virus, his goal is to get 100 million vaccines in americans' arms in his first 100 days in offer. expand to 65 and up and improve frontline workers and the national guard to help distribute the vaccines and get them in pharmacies and mobile
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launch unit. and those only work if there are more vaccines to administer. he says, he'll use the production act to ramp up production, that's already in hues under president trump. >> one of the most challenging operational efforts undertaken by our country, but you have my word we will manage the hell out of this operation, but as i said last night, we need funding from congress to make this happen. our call for unity is equally necessary. unity is not some pie in the sky dream. it's a practical step to getting things done. >> but biden's call for unity and democrats in congress to work with republicans to pass these massive spending packages is not being received well by some progressives in his party who don't want to negotiate. >> this is a -- it's not a
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fight. it's just a disagreement that i believe that president-elect biden has a very optimistic view of the republican party. you know, he has made past statements on once trump is gone they will see the error of their ways and i applaud his optimism, but i disagree with his assessment. >> and neil, there are some things in vaccine program that could make republicans recoil. he wants to increase funding for communities around the country and a brand new public health jobs program as well. neil. neil: all right. hillary vaughan, monitoring the office with the incoming administration. by the way, say what you will about president trump as his last weekend in the white house here, it's been a hell of a ride for the markets under his stewardship and growing
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pressure on joe biden whether he can remotely top that. keep in mind the markets were already fairly strong, a bull market was going up for the better part of seven years when he took over the white house. he took that and then some. so, people who look at markets performances under presidents forget that he took a very strong market and made it much stronger still and it carries to this day. remembering the trump effect at the corner of wall and broad when we're back after this.
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>> all right, he might be the first president to be impeached twice, but he has an unimpeachable record in the market performance with the four years donald trump was the president of the united states. when he stepped in 19,000 and now 31,000 a gain of 56%, only a couple of other presidents have seen advances in stocks like this and neither of those prior presidents, bill clinton and calvin coolidge was coming off of bull markets themselves. they were coming off depressed markets so the surge was spectacular to note. in this case it's rather the bull market was well in place when the president assumed office and he made it even more so. we're going to explore that a little bit as we look back at the four years when the
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president dominated the economies and the markets and pre-pandemic and everything was going his way and the markets are still going his way. and a good thing to leave. dan, when you step back and i try to keep people's politics out of this and red or blue, just look at the green. a lot of green under this president and we're going to rifle through some of the more noteworthy numbers, but it is remarkable how much all key sectors of the market advanced and compared to the rest of the world, just blew it away. what do you think? >> it's very interesting, neil, because donald trump was criticized quite often during his presidency that he was managing the economy through the stock market. now, clearly they are two separate things, but they have a lot of common threads and one of those threads is the general optimism of the country. when people are feeling
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financial insecurity or anxiety, they're less likely to spend, which impacts the economy and the same is true related to making investments. if they have that feeling of not being sure, they have a tendency to pull back. so, i don't know what the mindset was of calvin coolidge. you may remember. [laughter] >> but bill clinton was benefitting from the tech boom and that tech boom was fueling optimism and i think that trump benefitted greatly from that. neil: adam, what do you think? >> there's no doubt that the combination of cutting taxes, taking a machete to regulations and the other measures that the president put into place have beneficial impact on the stock market. i'm not sure that it reflects confidence among the entire economy, but certainly enough of the economy for there to have been this boom. you know, you pointed out
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earlier that president trump inherited a seven-year bull run and it's worth noting that the economy which people have criticized so much under president obama was fundamentally sound and trump did these things that helped make the economy at least in the short-term, in those three and a half years even better. neil: you know, maybe it was the mix, rebecca, before the president got his tax cuts through he got a lot of regulation cuts that continue to this day. now, a lot them the biden forces are sending signals they're going to be reversed, the executive order, the same executive orders that the president instituted to cut themment i'm wondering then what you see happening with this market post-donald trump. >> well, it's going to be a definite economic lesson for sure, but i think, neil, that president trump spoke to the american hope of, you know what? we can build things here. he's the first one to really take on the fact that china was and has been stealing our
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intellectual property and saying we can bring manufacturing back. we don't have to have a magic wand to do these things like obama said we had to have. it's going to be unfortunately a reversal to see regulation come back and to crush, you know, the american entrepreneurial spirit which is what we need to have organic growth, especially after a pandemic. so, you know, he deserves a lot of credit for showing americans and people that didn't believe it, economists, especially, come back and restore manufacturing here. he deserves a lot of credit for that and that's the economy that dan was talking about, not just the stock market. >> you know, i don't think the hyperbole of the entrepreneurial spirit having been crushed before president trump is particularly helpful, rebecca and it's worth pointing out-- >> adam, a lot of things you're saying are not helpful and that's we can agree to disagree, that's okay, adam. that's the american way, we don't need to shut each other up, i appreciate that though.
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>> couldn't agree with you more. neil: adam. >> but he absolutely raised the right points about china, but at the end of the day didn't accomplish much so that will be something really important for the biden administration to take up. neil: you know, dan, we could go back and forth about the pandemic and how it upset everything. if we'd never had that, of course the tragedy of losing almost 400,000 notwithstanding and 2 million worldwide, the reality was that socked our economy appreciably and changed even the election equation, but there's a lot of stimulus coming forth both since the pandemic hit and much more under the next administration. wall street seems to like stimulus in the form of tax cut or a lot more spending. they don't really show much discretion. play that out for the first 100 days or the first year to keep
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this bull going. >> joe biden made his intentions very clear, right? we're talking about more regulation and tax increases, specifically on the corporate side and potentially capital gains. however, you would anticipate that the market would have pulled back based upon that direction that the president wants to go and he's got a shot at getting it having both houses of congress. however, with stimulus, as you mentioned, can be an offset to tax increases and regulations and with the prospect of stimulus and maybe a lot of it, the market is looking at this on a go forward basis and saying, you know what? things may not be so bad, full steam ahead. we like this. neil: you know, rebecca, the issue is, you know, value i know is in the eyes of the beholder and i can distinctly remember as we watched every thousand point gain on fox
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business and if you don't get it, rebecca, demand it. every time we got a thousand point milestone, 24,000, 25,000, and naysayers would say it's pricey, and 30,000, 31,000 and oh, it's pricey. i know that markets climb a wall of worry, but the percentage of people who are bearish are declining. normally you like to see a portion of people who are bearish and fewer and fewer are. i wonder if you should worry about that? >> i worry about it it's a shift of mentality overall in america that we're looking more towards government resolutions and government policies and government money and universal income trotted out by the mayor of new york city. and these are the policies that are shifting us more towards government dependency, less entrepreneurship and overall long-term, look at the history, neil, i don't have to argue it,
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look to the history of time. economies that are free market and entrepreneurial rather than communist controlled or socialist controlled are night and day apart and i know adam would disagree. neil: no, no, one is being disagreeable here. adam, i want your take. we're going to have democrats running the table with white house, the senate, the house. and much is made of wall street doing better under split government. i get that. and the first two years of the party that have the run of the table as it did with barack obama and briefly with ronald reagan. there's history to suggest that it can continue. what do you think are things that you're watching for to see if it continues? >> well, i think that's absolutely right. i think so much of the market success in the coming, let's say six to nine months, is predicated on able execution of the vaccine rollout and tam pg
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down the pandemic. the market is more than willing to give a democrat-led congress and white house the benefit of the doubt, that if that works or even if they get lucky, it doesn't matter, obviously if the pandemic can come toward a conclusion by the third or fourth quarter, then the markets will love that and that's what they're banking on right now and i agree that we should be worried as bearish investors drop out. that's always a concern and not for political reasons. neil: all right. guys, i want to thank you all. you know, you had your differences, but,you know, you didn't get nasty about it, so i failed. no, seriously. be happy and healthy in the new year, guys. we'll see what happens. now, anything can happen to disrupt the bull market. sudden developments out of the nowhere. we're getting word out of iran, told you how this they've been beefing up missile tests and the like one of them landed
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>> all right. it reminds me of a mob, we can do this the nice way or the difficult way. i'm not saying that dollar general or any of the trader joe's or instacart is like the mob trying to incentivize employees to take the vaccine. but if they don't whether they force the issue. and mercedes with more on the read. >> thanks, neil. neil: what do you think when the company says we think it's a very good idea for you to get the vaccine. the nice way, we'll pay you a
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bonus to get it and they want to keep the work force safe. if that doesn't work, forcing the issue. what do you think? >> well, they can mandate vaccinations, which is pretty socking, considering how many liberties we have when it comes to the workplace, but they can. and even the equal employment, in the workplace, but there is a calf vat, there are safety nets really for the employees. if the employees say they have some medical condition they can't take the vaccination, they get a pass. if they have a religious objection, they can get a pass, but if your employees decide not to get the vac nation, employers can say you can't come into the workplace. we can if i can out if an accommodation is possible. they can require it and second, an accommodation, and third if
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a reasonable accommodation can't be made that employee doesn't have a job. neil: does that employee in that case have grounds to sue. >> they can if the employee says, look, i can't do it because of a medical condition and they can reasonably accommodate, i can work from home. i've been working from home for 12 months and why is it now i can't continue to work from home. what we've been saying to our clients the notion that working from home is an extreme measure and employers can't make that accommodation, that's blown out of the water. there are many jobs in the united states that can be done by working from home. and it's really a question for these employees, whether or not when the employees seek accommodation, whether they can be accommodated. it's harder for employers to say, no, you can't be accommodated because as they saidings there is empirical
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data that we can work from home. can it be done without be financially crippling for the employer, there are laws that will have some teeth and the employers will be facing them. neil: just as there are lawsuits for companies not protected now from workers who come back it work, get the virus, or worse, to sue them. >> exactly. i mean, look, if-- let's say worst case scenario someone does-- there's a mandated vaccination and they get vaccinated and get a horrific result, they can bring workers' comp. there are lawsuits that have significant teeth depending what happens to the employee. if they're forced to have a vaccine and then have an adverse physical effect as a result, they can certainly sue and they can sue under workers' compensation laws as well. so there's recovery on many levels for employees that-- >> and they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.
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mercedes, thank you very much. >> thank you. neil: great catching up with you, mercedes colwin, the nice way or the tough way and remember, we have the inauguration next week. before that we remember martin luther king on monday. the message that resonates with him that we'll want to keep in mind 48 hours later from alita king, his niece. hey kim! with 5% cash back on travel purchased through chase from freedom unlimited, you can now earn even more. book that hotel kim, because you are worth it. i am worth it. now earn 5% on travel purchased through chase and so much more. chase. make more of what's yours.
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>> all right. it's probably a good thing. we have martin luther king on monday, 48 hours before the swearing in of the whole new administration. timing is everything and given everything that's happened in washington the last week and a half or so, alveda king says
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it's a good moment to remember the importance, regardless of our political views, we are all bound by the same humanity and we should remember that. the niece of martin luther king, jr. joins us right now. alveda, very good to see you. we forget that, don't we? >> happy new year, neil. hi. neil: to you as well. what do you make of the mood in the nation right now. it's pretty polarizing. obviously, 25,000 strong national guard troops to protect to make sure that nothing will happen. they're obviously concerned that they would or could. strange times. >> neil, depends on where you are and what you're doing and of course, this is a time to be concerned and very, very prayerful because tempers can flare. people are fearful in many cases, so, we're going to pray a lot and love people more. i bet you know that's always my thing. love will heal anything.
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it really will. neil: you know, people see things through the prism of their politics, i guess that's been a great deal of donald trump and what he's said, but not as much criticism over some of the things that joe biden has said. i think it's incumbent on both sides to sort of bring it down a notch and i understand the bitter rivalries and personal enmities and the rest, but between your dad and your uncle, they had ways of dealing with that and not taking it to the degree that we see these guys are. what do you think? >> my daddy taught me, reverend ab king to not hate, but to love and forgive. as a matter of fact, my famous uncle who we're celebrating this weekend say i've decided to stick with love because hate is too difficult a burden to bear. my granddaddy was like that, that's our legacy. and rather than being angry and fighting and challenging each other, we need to actually listen to each other as one
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blood, and we're human to treat each other as human beings, value the human personality and that way we won't hurt each other. my uncle a said when you value the human person you won't hurt anybody. we have to value each other and care about each other. and i'm listening to you and i see you and i know you and i appreciate you. now, if i don't always agree with you, that's okay, but that doesn't mean that we have to be become enemies. neil: that's very well-said. i wonder if you could talk to the thousands who e-mail me who feel slightly different than what you said. >> let me come back, let me-- >> no, no, i don't take things personally. alveda, some people think i'm overweight. can you believe that? i say the camera adds 50 pounds and they don't believe me. >> you look good. neil: no, no, i wasn't fishing for a compliment, but keep it coming.
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alveda, let me ask you about what you're hearing about this reaction to the uprising in washington about a week and a half ago and now social media combining to sort of shut down any of that talk and we've heard from some on the left as well and foreign leaders from angela merkel, to the leader of mexico, that's going too far. we're very concerned about that. are you? >> neil, like with anything, it's like a tale of two cities. it depends on who is telling the story. i have some very good friends who are bus captains, who took buses to washington d.c. i didn't go, i stayed at home and prayed, however, i kept getting calls from them they said these people are rioting they have on trump paraphernalia, but they're not, they're doing mean stuff. we have to pray, depends on your perspective. i tell people to pray, try not to fight each other and learn how to love each other. neil: all right. there's a concept.
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alveda, i know now on fox nation, alveda's king house and something to try to talk to people. you walk the talk and you try to step back differences even in your own storied family, you overcome that and get along and love each other so it is possible. >> we don't get indigestion. i have friends and family at the table, we talk and we have good food and we pray. neil: what happens when someone starts arguing? how do you prevent it from getting nastier? >> we just pray and i'll just say i'm not going to have it. if you want to argue do what my mama did when i was a little girl, if we were fighting as brothers and sisters, she'd kick us out and close the door. if you want to argue don't come in here. neil: we're like a family, we're angry at each other and don't remember why. so good seeing you, have a wonderful new year and be safe. you're a gem, we need to hear more of the kind words you have for everybody wherever you are
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in the political spectrum. and i try to leave it with just the nasty comments online, getting a few today as we speak. i've got to tell my wife to quit e-mailing. all right, that will do it, we'll see you monday. here comes fox. a lot more. i need indeed. indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base. claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at indeed.com/groomer
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>> security timing in the nation's capital. more than 7,000 national guard troops are stationed throughout washington d.c. as we prepare for president-elect joe biden's inauguration. welcome to america's news headquarters from washington, i'm griff jenkins. gillian: i'm gillian turner. griff, it's great to be with you and great to be with everybody at home. we're hearing by monday we are going to have 20,000 national guard troops here, there's only going to be more as today goes on. officials so far also making a handful of sort of preemptive arrests ahead of wednesday's big event.

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