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electors equal to the whole number of senators and representatives to which the state may be entitled in congress. that's the united states constitution, your constitution and the fact that i just read that will be considered controversial, controversial and the radical left-wing media, and controversial by opinion columns all over this country. why? because they dare to read you to you a part of your constitution that was violated on election day in at least four states pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin and georgia. i'm not seeking to relitigate this election. i'm making a point. the state legislatures in those states need to fix the system. the courts particularly the supreme court need to bring us back to our constitution. now the fact that i say that and the fact that i might link to articles that talk about that makes me controversial and

because i would talk like this and link to the constitution and other issues of this sort facebook began given me the scarlet letter and what i was saying was a question, what i was saying was factually inaccurate and after a while i got so sick of it i voluntarily left face but. i'm not going to products with censuring. nothing about this constitution are what i said and cites any rational human being to do anything to be concerned about what took place in the states. that's the nature of free speech. that's the nature of principle, that's the nature of debate. that's what our country is all about. then i decided voluntarily to leave twitter when they decided to ban the president of the united states from using their

platform and then we were hearing other conservatives were being banned and thousands and thousands of people all of a sudden for reasons they couldn't understand were being removed. i'm not participating in that kind of economic totalitarianism. i believe in speech and the channels of communication and american to american and foreign or to american i've been choked off now especially for those who are not leftists. you don't even have to be a constitutionalist. you can be a reasonable rational knowledgeable human being who doesn't agree with the left and you are punished. few have been caricatured and we cannot tolerate that is the nation. furthermore i'm not going to have my millions and millions of listeners and viewers be monetized by these multibillionaire monopolists. they use your name, they use your data and the user private information without your knowledge to make money. they sell it they trade it and

god knows what they do with it. that's not part of the bargain. all you want is free speech. of course there are people who go on these sites who are nasty people, who were diabolical people. there are people like that in our neighborhoods and our communities and all of our country but twitter doesn't really care about them. they say they do but they don't and i'm going to prove it to you. for my friends at the daily wire louis farrakhan's account on twitter, louis farrakhan the most famous anti-semite in american today although there's a lot of competition for that now has an active twitter account despite routinely comparing to termites among other things. farrakhan tweeted in 2018 i am not anti-semites i'm in anti-termite. twitter removed the verify check from his account following a tweet about the in the synagogue

of and his account remains active in public as of this program. the chinese embassy in the united states you may not know it the chinese embassy in the united states has their own verify twitter account with 78,000 followers. their count is routinely used to spread propaganda on behalf of president xi jinping. now they use twitter to defend china's use of concentration camps the other day and part of their ongoing genocide against muslims. the minds of muslim women in xi jinping emancipate i'm quoting gender equality and reproductive health no longer baby making machines the account tweeted before saying the victims are more confident and independent. while the tweet has been deleted the account has not. for all their talk of restricting those promoting violence twitter still allows antifa accounts full access to the platform despite by any

means necessary slogan is a use of violent rhetoric as a violent organization. they deem anyone on the ride sharing photos of personal information and attempt to intimidate and coerce them. the page reports photos and videos of so-called fascist being attacked on the street in a process with lethal captions of people eating outside peacefully in a restaurant so their account has not been banned by twitter. nicolas muduro the fascist chilling dictator of venezuela despite running his country into the ground and killing anyone who stood in his way nicolas muduro best known as the human rights abuser dictator of venezuela enjoys the use of his twitter account. the ayatollah khamenei has a twitter account. other regal murdering dictators

all over the world have twitter account and tweet and so they banned the president of the united states and they are banning mainstream conservatives. they are banning mainstream constitutionalist in this massive purge effort and so there may be jobs and there may be violent people but they are painting with the broadbrush. they are painting with the broadbrush and taking as many people, dolphins, tens of thousands of people off their site and banning them. where do they go? where are these people going to go? there's a little company that started up called parler. when i heard about parler i said i'm going to go to parler. i don't know who these people are in it doesn't matter to me. it's entrepreneurship, it's free speech and communication with our fellow citizens without some oligarch on the west coast

looking over my shoulder to shoulder of my followers to determine what we can and cannot say in what i'm telling you today and i'm old enough to tell you this used to be basic civil liberties. that is the way it used to be. the left, the right and everybody in between understood speech, understood there was hate understood the rest of it but not anymore. we have the purging going on, not the purging going on in the left and not the purging going on in the marxist anarchist and not the purging going on of hosts on tv and writers who refer to so many of us as neo-nazis and all that. that kind of had him he is tolerated and it's apparently okay on twitter and facebook and all the rest. they have all gotten together to try to put parler out of business and they are also character assassinating the site i calling it a a right-wing site the controversial site. the platform.

there's nothing right-wing or controversial about it except that they support free speech which apparently is now right-wing and controversial so i ask john matze the sub -- the ceo of parler to find out who john is and why he started parler and what parler is facing something absolutely unprecedented. john matze parler ceo. tell the nation about your background and what you have been doing and what cause you to start parler and so forth. >> i am a software engineer so i started by developing apps and i ran a consulting company doing that in work for various corporations, anything from the defense industry to web services so you know a few years ago i saw the trend in the direction we were heading and i thought there was a need for more civil discourse for people to talk to

one another, to parlay with one another which is why when you are on parler you. parlays which is the concept you have two parties. they might not see eye-to-eye and they may even be violent public that it's a place to come together and have a conversation be heard together and resolve their distant -- differences. they might lead to conversation. if they don't agree with each other they will leave the conversation feeling better about the place so there's a whole concept of civil discourse conversation. meanwhile not having your information stolen traded or shared with corporations for-profit so the idea is free speech and privacy. we want to combine those two things. mark: are you a member of proud boys? is your platform intended to. this all rights special cue in on sort of environment? >> i would describe myself as a

libertarian so no, i'm not right-wing and i'm not cue in on and i'm not any of those things. i don't think you could place me in the luckett anywhere and if you have followed me on parler for some time people may have noticed i argue with people on the right conservatives might argue with people on the left and i argue with basically everyone because that's a hobby of mine. civil discourse and stirring things up a bit. marquette mark: do you prevent liberal groups and liberal politicians marxist, neo-marxist progressive status and democratic socialist, do you prevent them from coming on your site? >> no, of course not. they are welcome on the site. everyone is welcome. we have the conversation going again. mark: when did you actually start parler? >> and 2018 we started it. took a long time to get it up and running but 2018 was the

first. there were less than five of us. mark: what city it and what town did you started in your basement, did you started in your bedroom, did you started in your office? >> las vegas is where we started. henderson, nevada and that's kind of where we started everything and ran with it. at the time i had a consulting firm and we were in a warehouse a pretty shady part of town and we even ran our servers at the warehouse. that's where we started so as all the employees for my previous consulting company that iran. mark: john matze ceo of parler when we return my question is this parler started in 2018 almost three years ago, was parler growing before twitter and the other oligopolies in california targeting u.n. how quickly has a grown?

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mark: welcome back first of all john matze ceo of parler i want to make a public service

announcement. cicio's from amazon twitter facebook youtube google or instagram want to come on this program next week i would love to have you. i would love to happy because unlike you i'm not going to bar you from this program even though you have fair con at the chinese embassy on your site and inciting that kind of insanity. it's very important that the public get to know you so i'm prepared to have a long interview with any or all of the ceos of these major companies next sunday. contact us at fox and we will set it up and i'd be happy to do it. it will be very civil but it won't be the kind of interviews you are used to and the "washington post" and "the news york times" that i can assure you. john matze, parler starts to, 2.5 years ago and yet you are picking up a lot of followers. tell us how your business model is taking off?

>> and 2019 we had a few hundred thousand accounts i think by the end of 2019 and by the end of 2020 we had 15 plus million accounts. we are growing. january and some of the last days before we got the ax from amazon web services we had almost 1 million new accounts created on that last day. we were number one on the app store. we were above facebook and above tik tok and above youtube instagram every app on the app store -- app store in united states before we got the ax and the business model is proving, it was working. our abs were not intrusive. we were not using data to kind of predict people are mine people's data. we were prescribing ads in what i like to call a humane way so

we were doing what they think is best for ads which is respecting people's privacy. we were making a tremendous amount of revenue from organic small businesses and helping them out so we have proven our growth in the marketplace. market mark: it's just too much for silicon valley to handle so as i read it they colluded every avenue of support to your business in order to run it, in order to reach out to potential customers and so forth were cut off in order to choke you often destroy you. these are companies that have no problem doing business with communist china. they have no problem doing business with all kinds of genocidal dictators and so forth. parler is getting a little too big for its britches. why do you think they focus on u.n. targeted you? >> well, few reasons but in my opinion our growth was very high

and we didn't agree with their ideas on censorship. google, apple, and amazon web services agreed that our terms of service works up double. they never said publicly or anywhere as far as i'm aware that there were any problems with our terms of service first free speech so instead they seem to make it about violence which we don't condone and we don't allow. we don't allow violent insurrection. these are illegal acts so it's very interesting that they all on the exact same day without previously indicating, they never indicated to us that there was any serious or material problem with our app but on the same day, all on the same day they sent us these very threatening notices. we said okay let's see what google said. they never e-mailed us and we have no way to contact them.

so google is out. let's call the apple rep and they basically shrugged it off and made no indication that this was serious despite their e-mail being very serious. amazon as usual basically saying you know i never saw any problems and there are no issues. so we had still even on the eighth in and the ninth we had no real indication that this was deadly serious. mark: where is this matter now? you have sued amazon as i understand it. what is the status? >> we are trying to get our services back up and running so at least we can access our development and testing environments. this is an indication to me that seems really strange, if they believe that the social media itself was a problem why did

they shut off everything else to so that development environment. they shut off our ability to work in their ability to access our own code and work on that so what they did -- mark: wait, wait this is important. you are saying you're wrong for private terry code, other information, contact and date information you can't even access what belongs to you and your company, that they are preventing you from getting information that is yours? >> they gave us a very small window to download it all while we were experiencing art rope so we tried to download what we could but now we don't have any more access than what we also need is to be able to spin our servers so we can get information for our clients and servers to be running so yes they are preventing us from doing that.

mark: they are not really interested in stopping the violence, are they? they are interested in stopping competition and they are using their so-called private company to exercise power this way when in fact they are affecting discourse in this entire country, and millions and millions of people and millions and millions of businesses and if there was ever a time for companies to be broken up into a thousand pieces because the purpose is dishonest. their purpose is power and money and to destroy any competition. this is just my view. the federal trade commissioned the antitrust division every state attorney general, they should all be looking at this. they should be investigating these companies and frankly they should be breaking them up. the fact of the matter is now this could take years over the course of the period of time

while they have in my opinion taking your proprietary information making it impossible for you to get it to even go somewhere else. that is incredible to me and by the way apple, the irony of apple getting involved in this with iphones many built in communist by god knows who wonder what position and they are worried about your platform of free speech when they shut down the president of the united states, the person they do business with his disgusting. it's absolutely disgusting. john matze ceo of parler but i ask you a question. if people want to get in touch with the where did they go? >> right now we have our e-mail but i don't know how much longer that's going to last. amazon and companies made public in very harsh statements claiming that we were quote

unquote reaching the terms of service for months and they've been trying to notify us which i don't think is true at all. amazon sites they had 100 violation reports the center which which was true but they sent them to us on the eighth and all at once even though only a week before they were trying to extend their partnership with us even more by offering us proprietary services, year-long development plans. they were offering us development resources. there was no indication there were any material problems with our service. this was all happening at the same time and the fact that they made these harsh public statements and release them to the media along with us and amazon admitted that in their legal filing, you know their statements were in tended in my opinion to inflict maximum damage. now our provider sites amazon. amazon has a problem and we

can't argue with that so they cite that they dropped us in her ability to talk to her jury system which is the equivalent of the moderation team. we can talk with them now because the messaging service shut us off and american express showed us off. we had every vendor you can think of under the sun has been shutting us off slowly and they are all citing the harsh words of amazon and apple so this was in my opinion intended to inflict maximum damage on parler. mark: the ceo of apple if you'd like to come on this program we'd be more than happy to have you. you are a big boy you can come on this program. all right john matze parler of parler we will keep monitoring this for the sake of free speech. thank you and good luck to you. >> thank you very much. mark: we will be right back.

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and ceo of rumble. chris tell us about you. when did you decide to start rumble and how did you start rumble? >> i've been on the internet space for two decades. i started building out of my parents parent's basement right out of university and ironically i was in the video space back then competing with hundreds of web sites and specifically around 2005 youtube and we were competing against youtube. by 2007, 2006 there was a cataclysmic event that happened in the space where google acquired youtube and basically from that point on all of the sites like college humor were the ones that i had became pretty much nonexistent because in my opinion the vertical integration of youtube. 2013 is one i started rumble and we started it on the premise of the fact that the little guy,

the little critter was no longer getting distribution and getting monetization on their video platform. they were now being silenced in a way. if you remember youtube in 2006, 2007, 2008 the homepage was full of home generated content things that you and i would film at home and videos like charlie bit my finger where the largest videos on the platform. by 2013 it was only large icons influencers big media corporations and that was getting all the distribution on the youtube platform and the little guy was left completely behind. we built a platform in 2013 on the premise of helping the little creator in bringing a voice back that. they were censored in the way that no one really saw and no one really noticed until 2020 and based on what we are seeing now in 2020 is happening, censorship is happening across the spectrum. it's not just a little creator is happening to the influencers

the president you name it is happening to everyone. mark: let me ask ask you question youtube has been devoured by google. who runs youtube? is there a ceo at youtube? >> i believe there is a ceo at youtube and it's owned by google and google owns youtube. mark: google has the power and i guessed the reason they acquired youtube to promote youtube and crush its competitors. is that what it's doing in houston during? >> we filed a lawsuit this week on monday and our complaint alleges that google itself referencing youtube and google is preinstalling the youtube app on mobile devices which makes it next to impossible for companies like us to compete and in our complaint we alleged in the chronicled evidence in our

complaint alleges up to 9.3 billion visitors were redirected to youtube instead of rumble which results in us losing over 100 million uploads, 100 million videos to rumble in $2 billion in damages. the thing that is really upsetting and it makes me really sad is that i was that guy that builds web sites out of my parent's basement. it's not just rumble that's been injured here. every consumer getting injured here every creator on rumble that's getting injured and it every business person that gets injured here because in my opinion the search engine is completely rigged and no one knows about it. we talk a lot about having free speech in the last year but when you really look at it another person is being censored and he don't even know it. the search engine is rigged in a way where you don't even know. if there is rating against cute

cats and dogs which is our complaint they can rig it against anything from politics to the local bakery to anybody who wants to be in that search engine wants to list their business or wants to compete. they don't have a chance in this market if it's being rigged. mark: so google and i would say twitter and facebook and the rest of them they give a public face where they say come join us, come on our platforms, enjoy them. we have all kinds of videos and you can have all kinds of speech and you can have community discussion and links and here we are promoting americanism really, free speech and entrepreneurship while behind-the-scenes they are crushing competition. they are crushing the competition. google is the 800-pound gorilla, actually a 1000-pound gorilla because anybody who goes to

google to do their searches and what they are doing in their searches as moving people to youtube away from rumble and away from anybody else, pushing them into youtube so everybody goes to youtube and the user has no idea that they are being played this way, do they? >> that's the key. so my opinion that this is happening at that's the scariest part because no one has a clue that this is happening. imagine you go to google and you are searching for something and you are thinking you are getting a free and fair search where everything is lighting up in the results the way a machine with lighted up without bias or tilting at you look in our complaint and one of the things we alleged if you play funny dogs on rumble because you are looking on funny dogs on rumble you will only get funny dog youtube son -- funny videos on

youtube. how is it fair that they are only enlisting youtube results when people have the intent to look for rumble videos? that's totally unfair and no one knows it's happening. i think this is why are complaint is super important, because it has evidence in my opinion that really i haven't seen anyone else have paid week have chronicled this over seven years and over the last year we put together evidence that i think, i don't believe and i can't say for certain but i don't believe there are any complaints that shows this, that shows where the traffic is going, shows the type of results that are being changed, how they are being changed not just on rumble but other sites to and we have syndicated this and tested it and it shows how it is. it's extremely scary because when you're going to check facts

or look for funny dogs in reality in my opinion and what we allegedly claimed that's actually not happening and that is super frightening. rights are being affected by that big-time. mark well i just want to also extend to the ceo of google you are welcome to come to this program the ceo of apple or any of these big tech companies we would love to have you on this program next sunday. you can come one, come all i don't really care but we will give you a full hour of discussion, and me, myself and i. we will be right back. [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week, a couple miles at a time. - we've both been taking prevagen for a little more than 11 years now. after about 30 days of taking it, we noticed clarity that we didn't notice before. - it's still helping me.

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mark: welcome back. we are back with chris pavlovski the ceo and founder of rumble which seeks to be a competitor with youtube, which has been gobbled up by google and google doesn't want competitors for youtube so chris tell us the

consequences of google trying to basically push you out of the space, behind-the-scenes with the customer and the consumer has no idea, how would you frame that? what would you call that? >> so you know there has been a lot of discussion about free speech and one of the things i would like to highlight is the censorship that is happening and it's a censorship that is extremely serious because it's the part where everyone thinks they have free speech for the last seven to 10 years, they actually haven't had it. the way i see it is and why it is so bad is because you think you have it when you don't have it and that's really scary because take a look at this for example. we have people that joined rumble on our platform and they come to our platform and they have been on youtube for over four years is one example.

they have amassed 10,000 subscribers on youtube for the last four years. they joined rumble income to the platform and in six months they have over a half a million subscribers then you ask yourself how did that happen? how was it that a small platform like rumble can grow, a channel significantly larger than youtube can and the reason behind that is one, it's not because we are bigger. we are still small enough as we are better at ai not because we have better videos or a better search engine or worse search engine. something is happening behind the scenes that no one is seen and in the last year everyone has been worried about free speech but imagine in the last seven years being censored and thinking you have free speech. mark: some of your point which is extremely important, the things going on in the shadows

that we don't know about and the particular example you have this massive youtube platform that is promoted by this massive company google and the customer has 10,000 followers and then they come to this tiny little rumble, your company which does not have legal promoting an effect has google putting the brakes on it and they jumped to 500,000. they had 10,000 now they have 500. something is wrong, you are right. what is going on in the boardrooms and executive rooms in the management rooms at google where that one individual or that one company has 10,000 now they have half a million, it makes no sense whatsoever. you are exactly right and i think the word censorship is the right word. we will be right back. eritrade for a strategy gut check? what's that? you run it by an expert, you talk about the risk and potential profit and loss. could've used that before i hired my interior decorator.

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mark: welcome back chris pavlovski ceo and founder of rumble. is this going to affect the commercial world? i assume it can affect the political world, meaning we have no idea the expense of which google might be doing the same thing when it comes to promotion of a candidate for promotion of an issue, the promotion of a

party or the opposite censoring it position a party or a candidate so we have no idea or at least not any kind of transparency to this, do we? >> the only thing we alleged and what we've been able to find out is that barrett definitely tilting the scales for funny dogs and cute babies and home-based video content. that's the only thing we alleged that if they are doing it for dogs and doing it to company like rumble it's fair game that there probably in my opinion doing it across the spectrum in every category. why wouldn't they if they are doing it on funny dogs dogs? they have an monopoly on funny dogs right now. that is crazy. mark: you know what amazes me the extent to which individuals and the federal government want to regulate everything. there's not a thing that's not

regulated except these companies. these companies are not transparent. we have no idea how to work them. they are affecting everyone of our lives. they have for suede vest to participate on their platforms and their businesses and they are using their traded -- private data and using our private data and they are becoming extraordinarily rich and now they are getting involved in activities both commercial and political in which they will not reveal themselves so you have to keep looking under the sheets to see what's going on in every now and then you get a peak. that's private citizens are other companies trying to find out what's going on when it comes to competition of ideas or competition of products or competition of businesses. it's amazing to me how the antitrust division of the federal trade commission are committing refusing to seriously dig into this to find out how we the people are being affected

commercially, politically, our speech, censorship and all of it. why do you think that they are so silent about the? could it be political contributions? >> i have no idea. all i know is that rumble, we are going to fight the good fight and we are going to try her best to challenge the home-based video content as much as we possibly can. i think our complaint is really important in bringing a fair and balance and taking away the tilting of the skill -- scales when it comes to search engines and i will do everything i can to stand up for all consumers and bring a fair and balanced ecosystem. mark: i wish you all to look in the world and all the small companies and entrepreneurs out there i wish you all the best. we need to get to the bottom of this and we can't just sit on the sideline watching what's happening to our country. chris pavlovski ceo of rumble

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mark: welcome back this country was founded like no other country to promote individual liberty and protect the civil society. that's why we have the government that we do. and yet there's forces in this country that do not agree with the founding. we have a 1619 project in the new york times. we have marxist organization that believe our history is diabolical and we should forget all about it and ignore it. we now have people attacking the very essence of our country which is speech. speech. these robber barons almost all of them are democrats, almost all of them are liberal, if you look at our broadcast committee, other than fox they're all run by liberals there aren't many

republicans among them. what is happening now were having a monopoly of communication, a monopoly of ideas whether it affects the commercial aspect of our society or the political aspect of our society, it is actually getting worse. people are being purged to a purification process words are being put in their mouth, broadcast coming up to watch every word you say or 70 of the washington post and new york times will twist it and make sure white supremacist or a member of the clan, a jew a member of the clan, really when it was the washington post, the new york times that ignore the holocaust as it was happening. we have a lot of problems in this country and one is no respect for liberty, no respect for the individual and no respect for the constitution. so we the people have to be vigilant, how. we have to be heard in a peaceful and civil way, we are to make sure the politicians we elect share our principles, we have to fight back and courts to fight organizations that are

trying to stymie us and we have to use our financial cost to support organizations that support liberty and us. see you next time on "life, liberty & levin" ♪ ♪. steve: everything that is happened since january the sixth is driven by one goal and effort by american ruling elite to smear, silence and ultimately destroy the populist movement. for years, we've argued here for positive populism, pro work, pro-family, pro-community and pro-america. when you think about what is happening in this country, the virus response that led to a takeover by big government, big bureaucracy and big business. the big tech takeover, we need positive populism now more than ever in america needs a strong