another. as karl rove said we'll give them a chance. >> bill: that we shall. look forward to seeing you tomorrow. >> dana: nice turtleneck. we'll see what he wears tomorrow, folks. we'll see what he wears tomorrow. >> bill: have a great day. stay with us throughout the hour and the day. here is harris in new york. >> harris: we do begin with breaking news this hour. philadelphia police are set to speak at any moment about the murder of a 25-year-old temple university graduate who was gunned down as he was walking his dog last week. police say the suspect in all of this had been freed two weeks earlier on a reduced bail program and an armed kidnapping and assault case. the man's funeral is set for today. we'll monitor that news conference that is about to begin for any new information and bring you a live report on the story a little bit later this hour.

a showdown is looming at our southern border. it just gets worse day-by-day. joe biden is set to take office we know that. all of this ahead of the inauguration. i'm harris faulkner. you are in the "the faulkner focus". police in guatemala are battling to hold off the thousands of honduran migrants pushing their way to the united states. as the stand-off continues mexico's president now says he is ready to work with president-elect joe biden to forge a new regional alliance on immigration. so there is that. and this. the acting commissioner of customs and border protection is blaming biden's pledge to suspend deportations for 100 days for what you see on the screen right there. the surge in migrant caravans. watch. >> the rhetoric during the year plus biden campaign he has been

very clear wanting to roll back every single effective policy and authority that president trump gave us that allowed us to address the illegal immigration crisis, secure our borders and protect the american people. this caravan of thousands is a microcosm of what's coming. >> harris: in focus this hour unprecedented security at our nation's capital ahead of the inauguration. jim jordan is here and will join me. general jack keane will join me weighing in on the migrant caravan we just looked at and fox news contribute kat temp on hollywood's cancel culture. i want to begin with william la jeunesse top story, william. >> agents fear this caravan could mark the return of central american migration which largely ended after president trump closed the so-called asylum loophole and made people wait in mexico. then came covid that shut the

border entirely to everyone. apprehensions fell from 130,000 a month and 32,000 in december. you get 400 apprehensions a day in the rio grande valley, single mexican males. central americans why take the risk and spend the money when you aren't getting in. right now you have the caravan of 8,000 pinned down by the guatemala military in a narrow canyon 30 miles north of the honduran border. there is a waiting game. the group of moefsly hondurans say they need food and water. >> we have said many things that have happening. it is not fair we're treated like this like dogs, like animals. children, parents, why are we treated this way? we should not be. >> bill: mexico sent another 1500 national guardsman to its southern border and six buses to deport any who get through. remember these hondurans are in a foreign country and they

don't know the roads. one message our producer asking the best way to cross into mexico. she said, however, they do know that president trump is leaving tomorrow and anticipate biden will open the border. they want to get in line. what we don't know and biden has not said is when or if he will suspend title 42. that's the blanket denial of entry imposed by trump because of covid. which is raging south of the border and inside the caravan with no distancing, few masks, 21 who tested positive and sought medical attention. >> it is a human petri dish opportunity for the transmission of a very trance missable virus. >> covid right now is allowing incoming president biden to buy time. irony is they haven't figured out a way to reject everything trump and are afraid to reject his policies without resuming a surge on the border. harris. >> harris: may already be too

late for that. when you look at the pictures they've made up their minds coming from other countries that the doors are open. >> yeah. well, that's the idea, right? so if you remove the restrictions there is no reason not to come to try to get in line and of course smugglers are controlling the message basically telling them here is your opportunity and of course that's one thing they do listen to. harris. >> harris: the f.b.i. is working with the pentagon to vet more than 20,000 national guard troops providing additional protection around d.c. for president-elect biden's inauguration tomorrow. former acting homeland security secretary chad wolf. >> there will continue to be protest as there should be. hopefully they'll all be peaceful. we've seen it time and time again at different inaugurations. as we move forward i hope there is too much of a swing we don't allow individual groups either

side of the aisle to again voice their differences and their opinion in a very peaceful way. >> harris: let's get to rich edson live in washington on this event, rich, which is a few hours on one day and we move on. >> it certainly feels like something bigger than that especially over the last week, week and a half here in washington you have had this massive and growing security presence. we're only a couple blocks from the capitol here and checkpoints like the one behind me around the capitol building. installing more barbed wire on the fences that you aren't supposed to be able to scale and surrounded by national guard and federal police officers. that's what you have all throughout washington, d.c. there is additional vetting of national guard members in d.c. about a concern of a possible insider threat. the acting defense secretary says there is no specific information pointing to that but they just want to make sure

here. federal law enforcement say they're looking out for any threats to the capital. places across the country as well. the acting attorney general said the justice department will have no tolerance for anyone who attempts to mar the day with violence or other criminal conduct. he also says the f.b.i. has received nearly 200,000 digital tips from the public regarding the riot a couple of weeks ago. our justice producers jake gibson is now reporting that locating the pipe bomb maker from a couple of weeks ago is a top priority here on inauguration eve. the f.b.i. says it warned law enforcement agencies the person who built the pipe bombs and left them near the capitol has yet to be identified and is a top priority according to law enforcement official briefed on the investigation. the attack on the capitol was unfolding on the 6th and a couple of pipe bombs put by democratic and republican headquarters and around the

capitol. a major priority here one day ahead of the inauguration. you have a massive security presence here. also a traffic nightmare around the d.c. area. they've closed the bridges from virginia, closed a number of roads all the way throughout downtown. you go just beyond that security perimeter and it is a traffic nightmare here. >> harris: appreciate the latest report. jim jordan, republican from ohio and ranking member on the house oversight committee. good to see you today. i want to start with something that we started this hour with that has been in focus and we'll move forward. the caravan. how much of it was anticipated? how much of it is a surprise at this point? >> i don't think it's a surprise at all. i think president biden -- soon to be president biden indicated he was going to relax the immigration changes that president trump had put in place that served our country well. he indicated that several weeks back and so i think this was

entirely to be expected. and it is happening and we're seeing it on the southern border. we'll see where we go. what the biden administration does now that you have this influx of people coming to our southern border. particularly at a time -- another thing when you think about the virus itself. we'll see how they handle it. >> harris: our reporter mentioned title 42, the blanket halt on people because of covid-19. you have a good reason to relieve that and a good plan. we'll see as you said. >> if you continue to put all kind of mandates and keep people from going to church, work, funerals, if that will continue on american citizens but at the same time you are going to allow immigrants to come across the border on the southern border in the caravan, i don't think the american people appreciate that and goes

into one thing so many americans have trouble with, is double standard. one set of rules but a different set for some of the elite members of the democrat party. >> harris: double standard, hypocrisy, a long line. let's turn forthis. now despite defense officials saying they see no evidence to point at a possible insider attack at the inauguration, one house democrat is lobbing this out there. >> the guard is 90% male. only about 20% of white males voted for biden. you have to figure that in the guard more conservative. i see that on my social media and know it. there are not more than 25% of the people there protecting us who voted for biden. the other 75% are in the class that would be the large class of folks who might want to do something. >> harris: wow. as a person of color who grew

up in the military, really? >> harris, you know the kind of sacrifice military families make. your late father and the service he gave to our country. that's ridiculous. one of the things i try to do when i walk by law enforcement on capitol hill and military who have been here for several days is give them a thumbs up and thank them. the idea you have a member of congress who has been protected by these folks then say those things just makes no sense. again, i think the vast, vast majority across this country understand what our men and women in uniform do for us. and what they are doing to protect the capitol this week and tomorrow when we have the peaceful transition of power we've always north -- also north dakota -- always had in this nation. >> harris: how speaker nancy

pelosi and hillary clinton were on a podcast and questioned in vladimir putin was involved in the riot on capitol hill. >> i would love to see his phone records to see if he was talking to putin the day the insurgents invaded our capitol do you think we need a 9/11 commission to investigate and report everything that they can pull together and explain what happened? >> i do. with you, mr. president, all roads lead to putin. i don't know what putin has on him, but what happened last week was a gift to putin because putin wants to undermine democracy in our country and throughout the world. >> harris: congressman jordan. >> this obsession with the russia hoax is just that. obsession. they tried to remove president trump from office before he got there and now trying to remove him after he is leaving. it is truly an obsession started july 21, 2016.

we now know, harris, everyone knows there was no basis for opening that investigation because they told us, clapper told us when green el released the transcript clapper, susan rice said there was no evidence of any coordination or conspiracy before they opened the investigation. they did it anyway because they were out to get this president. even after he leaves office with the second round of impeachment. again, american people have common sense. they see those comments for what they are. they're ridiculous. >> harris: jim jordan, congressman, great to see you. thank you for your time. >> thanks and congratulations on the new show. take care. >> harris: thank you so much. well, listen to these words carefully because they want to use them on trump supporters. deprogram, deplatform. that's the rallying cry from democratic lawmakers, liberal journalists and big tech getting louder and louder by

the second. the power panel will slide in. and this. >> his words matter. the promises he has made will entice people to come to this country no matter what he says now. >> harris: is president-elect joe biden's pledge to suspend deportations spurring migrants joining that caravan we showed you a few minutes ago? it is headed for the u.s. migrants themselves answered the reporters' questions yes that's exactly why we're coming they say. ahead reaction from retired four star general jack keane. stay close. there he is. he is live. but if you're a veteran homeowner and need cash, here's big news. introducing refiplus from newday usa. it lets you refi at all-time low rates plus you could take out $50,000 or more. money for security today, money for retirement tomorrow.

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>> harris: as thousands of

migrants from honduras head to the border of the united states to try to get here. one of the migrants told a reporter this is why he is coming now. >> what i want for my people, i just want patients that we can get to the u.s. they have a new president biden. he will help all of us. given us 100 days to get to the u.s. and give us legal paper so we can get a better life for our kids and family. >> harris: former acting highs director tom homan warns that biden's rhetoric will lead to a border crisis. >> gangs have already figured out the transportation routes. the caravans already loaded up and coming. more will come. you will see a surge at the border we've never seen before because of the words of joe biden. >> harris: i want to bring in retired u.s. army four star general jack keane, fox news senior strategic military

analyst. so good to see you this morning, general. you know, my mind goes to that person who is earnest in saying they want to get here for a better life. we get that. what happens when they get here and some of biden's own people are saying it won't break down like that. what does it look like at the border particularly security-wise? >> certainly the perception this border of the united states and mexico will be open to them is part of what is driving it. the moratorium on deportations and that statement is the second driver of this. and really there are some other factors here as well. honduras has been overwhelmed this year, harris. this is a poor country to begin with. the poorest one in latin america. and two storms have just crippled them and so has covid-19. thousands of people that are homeless. and the people are organized by

someone certainly. we know cartels and criminals do it because they extort whatever savings they have to put them in groups to get transportation for them to move them to the border with guatemala. they don't do that on their own. the honduran government is complicit here. they know full well that secretary pompeo and our dhs has coordinated with mexico and with guatemala not to permit these caravans to proceed. and as a result of those policies that are in place, the honduran government knows that this confrontation is going to take place with the guatemala police. yes, they are permitting these people to do it. taken no effort to dissuade them from going north. i hope the biden administration, what they have to do early on here is one, get the dhs person approved this week and so they can make some policy pronouncements and some coordination with mexico and also with guatemala. and certainly with the honduran

government to prevent this from reoccurring. this caravan is on its way. it will be stopped and it is tragic what will happen to the people. there will be a humanitarian crisis once 8,000 people are put in one place. that's another factor in the conditions that are deplorable. >> harris: and you know those deplorable conditions, of course, if they end up close to our border are something that we get involved in at that point and so national security comes into play in kind of a different way. you mentioned the coronavirus pandemic, title 42 says they can't come in in droves like that. so the crisis now is two-fold. i want to get to this. joe biden's plan to unveil a sweeping immigration bill on day one of his administration. let's take a look what some of it includes, general. an eight year pathway to immigrants without legal status

to citizenship and a rule that requires migrants to stay in mexico as they await hearings. just with the mindset of protecting america. >> first of all, just a reminder for our audience. right now there are thousands of migrants who are in mexico seeking political asylum in the united states. in those cases, if they're adjudicated close to 90% of that political asylum is denied because they don't qualify. they are seeking economic relief more than anything else. and they just don't meet the conditions. that's another sad factor and a lack of honesty by the honduran government in dealing with its own people. but in terms of this legislation itself, you know, it is five years to legal status, essentially a green card and then three years to citizenship after you meet certain conditions speaking the language, etc.

this legislation is not all that different than what the existed in the trump administration early on. which had bipartisan support. of course, securing the border was very important ingredient and that's something president trump certainly insisted on. but he changed the conditions on that legislation at the last minute and that bipartisan support fell apart. i think what will happen here is there will be some insistence on this pathway which is similar to the previous legislation, but i think the republicans will insist on emphasis on border security. and certainly will not entertain the thought that the wall is going to be taken down. the republicans will want that -- the wall construction to continue because it has been so effective. >> harris: i have to tell you when you look at those people the option is to turn them

around at some point pray that they are healthy enough to get back to where they came from. there is a pandemic in the middle of all of this and there are so many more of them day-by-day. general keane, thank you very much. questions over just how serious democrats are about the impeachment case against president trump. with congressman eric swalwell on the impeachment team despite his ties to a suspected chinese spy. power panel will weigh in on that. plus this. >> you, we the people need to be deprogrammed or put in reeducation camps because of our political opinion. >> harris: deprogram trump supporters. we're hearing it more and more from those on the left. is it a push to silence conservative voices or something else?

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there are people who are radicalized now. it will take a lot of time and a lot of effort to deradicalize those people. >> there are millions of americans, almost all white, almost all republicans, who somehow need to be deprogrammed. it's as if they are members of a cult, the trump cult. >> how are we going to really almost deprogram these people who have signed up for the cult of trump? >> harris: liberal journalists and lawmakers like congresswoman ocasio-cortez increasingly calling to deprogram president trump supporters in the aftermath of

the deadly capitol riots? just this morning cnn ran a segment with a cult expert on how to deradicalize the president's most extreme supporters. watch. >> the bottom line is all of america needs deprogramming because we've all been negatively influenced by donald trump. as someone who has studied brainwashing and mind control the good news is that even though people can be radicalized, they can also be helped to come back to themselves and that's what gives me hope for our country. >> harris: that belongs in an austin powers movie. power panel james freeman assistant editor for the "wall street journal" editorial page. jose, a former deputy press secretary for the dnc. jose, i've known you for a while. i can't imagine the dnc selling this to the party. deprogram more than 74 million people. what does that even mean?

>> well, look, first and foremost i agree with you. does anybody really care from ocasio-cortez has to say? i don't think so. number one. two, extreme sides on either side, democrats and republicans is never a good thing. i think deprogram is a strong word. i think what we ought to do is the republican party has damage control to do. i truly believe a majority of republicans are not as crazy or radical as the trump supporters that we have saw attacking the capitol a couple of days ago. majority of americans, harris, are in the middle. somewhere in the middle. they are what i like to call the silent majority and i think that's why we have president-elect biden being sworn in tomorrow. americans are tired of the fighting, bickering and rhetoric. i'm truly hopeful that biden can bring the unity back into what it means to be president of the united states. >> harris: according to bill

maher who doesn't talk -- he is not happy with fellow liberals. >> as bad as last week was, worst school trip ever, let's not confuse 5,000 people with 74 million. yes, even supporting the insurrection in spirit is, well, deplorable. but there is a difference between holding liberal beliefs and acting violently on them. that's what they told me about islamic terrorism. >> harris: james? >> there is certainly an effort by some on the left to take the horrific example of those few people who broke the law on capitol hill and use it to sort of purge large swaths of america from the public debate.

i think it would be very helpful tomorrow to hear from joe biden, who has talked about the need for unity and healing, to specifically call out those members of his party in congress and elsewhere who are seeking to lead this sort of ideological purge to silence distenting voices by companies. i think he could do a great service to kind of give meaning to that unity healing message by saying that we're not going to spend my administration trying to silence everyone we disagree with. >> harris: there are new questions about the democrats' second impeachment case of president trump. some argue speaker pelosi's decision to appoint swalwell as impeachment manager after his

suspected link to a chinese spy could hamper their case and raises questions over how seriously democrats are taking the whole process anyway. andy craig of the cato institute tweeted this. pelosi could have had the house gop conference chair as an impeachment manager and instead she went with swalwell. jose, why? >> look, we know there has been enough evidence of what president trump has done. he is the only president in the history of the united states that has been impeached twice. senators are smart people. they already know what this man did or did not do. that's not going to have any effect. >> harris: james. >> it suggests a lack of seriousness. this is one of the chief promoters of the collusion case that turned out to be nothing. so it is not a serious effort. i also think there are real

questions about that 2014-2015 timeline when he was involved with the chinese spy and then nancy pelosi gave him the top spot on the intel committee overseeing the c.i.a. that needs to be answered how that happened. >> harris: i have to move. gentlemen, good to see you today. the philadelphia district attorney says the suspect accused of murdering a man as he walked his dog should still have been in jail. not out on reduced bail. the latest from police next. and florida and california have smreetly different strategies when it comes to fighting the coronavirus pandemic. so why are their case numbers so strikingly similar in many ways? dr. marc siegel on that and yes we'll talk about masks and lockdowns and all of it.

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>> harris: philadelphia's district attorney says a gunman charged with killing 25-year-old milan loncar last week should have been behind bars. the d.a. says two weeks before the shooting judges freed the defendant on reduced bail. we're live in new york with the details on this. >> good morning. no surprise that outrage is growing really by the hour in philadelphia right now over this bail decision and philly police inspector even calling this decision negligent. it is a disturbing scenario. let's walk you through what happened. look at the surveillance video. 25-year-old milan loncar walking his dog as you and i would through a philadelphia neighborhood when you see two men approach him in what is being described as an apparent robbery.

milan was shot in the chest. still clutching onto his dog leash when police found him. 20-year-old is now charged with murder. here is the thing, though. he was released from jail just two weeks before this shooting happened all thanks to two judges who dramatically reduced his bail on two open felony cases. now one bail was set at $100,000 for kidnapping and robbery charges. that was dropped to $20,000 and bail set at $200,000 for aggravated assault charges dropped to $12,000. the defendant paid 10% on both those and walked out. milan was a temple university grad who loved his job and had plans to move in with his girlfriend, his family left devastated by the news. >> it's just a slap in the face on top of everything else. >> everybody loved him. everybody is hurt by this. >> now we don't know why bail

was reduced, whether it had something to do with the coronavirus concerns in jails right now. we've reached out to the courts and have not heard back from either of those judges. at a police news conference just moments ago, though, the d.a.'s office said this should have never have happened. >> right now we're investigating whether or not an appeal was filed by our office. i will state there was no detainer lodged. the defendant was at that point in time either on parole or probation for an earlier robbery. a detainer should have been lodged by the judge. >> police are still looking for a second person of interest. >> harris: there was more than one person in the video. curious about a reduced bail review board. when you let somebody go is that review board different than when you let him go on a reduced bail? wow. thank you very much. florida and california very different when it comes to covid lockdowns. however, the numbers tell a

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>> based upon icu capacity currently unless those projections are radically different we can expect that stay at home to continue. >> i can tell you these business closures have not worked to arrest the spread of the virus. if it was you would not see what's going on in many of these other states. >> harris: you know what? he is right. now the evidence to prove it. the governors of california and florida have used very different strategies in the covid fight. california as you know with some of the strictest lockdowns in the nation. florida has been far less restrictive. however, nearly a year into the coronavirus pandemic and the data show both states have about the same number of cases per 100,000 residents. lives and livelihoods are so different because of the lockdowns. dr. marc siegel, professor of

medicine at nyu langone medical center. you always talk about what's going on in the total life of a patient. where you where want to live based on this? >> obviously you would prefer to live in florida where you can go somewhere and have something done. i think that there is some basic truths here that need to be emphasized. if you lock down a region, there is a lot of virus in that region, you are locking the virus into households and smaller groups. not everybody can afford a beautiful mansion on the water where they don't see anybody. that's what the data shows. that when there is a lot of virus, lockdowns don't work. a new study out of stanford looking at just that something the united states and u.k., which have done a ton of lockdowns, did not do any better than societies that didn't lock down. that sweden and south korea had about the same data as u.s., u.k. and europe. i think that's for these

reasons. now, if you lock down certain businesses and restaurants and areas in advance of the virus coming, the way they did in new zealand and australia you have a better outcome. san francisco, within california, has done much better than l.a. county because they started to watch things much earlier. so it's all -- it all depends on what you do. overall lockdowns tremendous physical, emotional and economic cost without a gain in terms of the virus. >> harris: i've learned from you over the years look for the apples and apples and comparisons. you look at the geography in terms of how much outdoors there is. [audio issue]

>> harris: very different personal and psychological outcomes where you live and how much freedom you have. dr. siegel, thank you, always good to see you. >> congratulations on new show, harris. >> harris: the left is going hard after an actress named kristy swanson after she defended president trump from hollywood's cancel culture. stay with me. stay for this, too. "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. i'll join the virtual couch today on the couch emily and leslie and former governor mike huckabee. can't wait. see them in a few minutes. with save a trip refills that let you pick up

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>> harris: christie swan sepb is giving liberal hollywood all riled up after she defended president trump from the cancer culture. she tweeted she wants to be taken out of the john hughes film "pretty in pink" if president trump's cameo is removed from "lost in new york." jane lynch tweeted swanson. i'm sorry, who are you? similar snark from nicole brown with this response. you were in this film? i want to bring in fox nation host and star right here on fox news channel. very easy to know who she is. why is this happening? >> look, people are arguing they want trump out of the movie saying because he's such a bad guy, he was such a bad influence on our country. people are pushing back saying, no, he didn't. that's kind of the wrong argument to even be having

entirely. it kind of doesn't really matter. it doesn't matter at all. this is an important thing to look back on when we look at the history but a president trump being so good at getting on tv is an important consideration, if not the most important consideration in looking at his rise to the presidency. think all the way back to the gop nomination process and all of those campaigns, trump was on tv all the time. he was on cnn. he was on every channel because he's quite good at it. the director of "home alone" even said trump found his way into the movie because they asked if they could use the lobby and he said okay, but i need a cameo. everyone started cheering. we don't remember it because we were all there. going forward that will be an important part of history. how are people going to say he had all this star power if it all gets deleted. >> harris: it's just fascinating to me how people just want to

erase history, the parts that they don't like. all of us want to know everything, right? apparently not hollywood. >> that's how we get to the present. yeah. >> harris: exactly. what is nbc going to do with all the apprentice shows? those ratings were enormous. you can't take him out of those shows if you're ever going to rerun them. >> he was huge in wrestling, everything. that's how he got to where he is now. >> harris: absolutely. we have a couple minutes to talk. not quite a couple minutes. few seconds to talk about cocaine hippos are a thing. when you are a cartel leader like pablo escobar you leave behind your history in the marsh lands. this is dangerous for people. >> dangerous for people. dangerous for the environment. i guess it's getting serious. some experts are saying either kill them or sterilize them. some are saying we're far too

gone to sterile aoeu them. how would you sterilize a hip po? we think our jobs have their challenges. i'd hate to be that guy. i don't know. >> harris: it's my understanding that they are so overrun with these things and they are so vicious that they can't even move many back into zoos. it's astronomical in terms of the sheer power to get that done. >> this has been going on for a decade. they want to keep going on without doing anything. they are aggressive. they're dangerous to people. also really messing up the ecosystem over there. >> harris: i don't know what pablo saw in a big old hippo. >> i don't either. >> harris: they're thinking like 8,000 of these things. >> yeah, yeah. >> harris: we will bring you back. thank you so very much. give us our best to miss

swanson. thank you for watching. my pleasure to be with you weekdays at 11:00 a.m. eastern. now it's noon. high noon in the east. that means "outnumbered." let's get it started. we'll begin with this fox news alert. heavy security in our nation's capital like we have never seen before. as we are now just 24 hours from the inauguration of president-elect joe biden. some 25,000 national guard troops have been called to washington. there are dozens of check points and miles offensing. the fbi also is vetting all the national guard troops coming into the capital. the acting pentagon chief said there's no intelligence that indicates any sort of insider threat. steve cohen ominously suggested trump supporters in the military could be plotting so