swanson. thank you for watching. my pleasure to be with you weekdays at 11:00 a.m. eastern. now it's noon. high noon in the east. that means "outnumbered." let's get it started. we'll begin with this fox news alert. heavy security in our nation's capital like we have never seen before. as we are now just 24 hours from the inauguration of president-elect joe biden. some 25,000 national guard troops have been called to washington. there are dozens of check points and miles offensing. the fbi also is vetting all the national guard troops coming into the capital. the acting pentagon chief said there's no intelligence that indicates any sort of insider threat. steve cohen ominously suggested trump supporters in the military could be plotting something.

>> the guard is 90% some odd i believe male. about 20% of white males voted for biden. you got to figure that the guard, which is predominantly more conservative, there are probably not more than 25% of the people protecting us. the other 75% are in the class that would be the large flat of folks that might want to do something. >> harris: fox news tucker carlson said democrats are using our nation's troops as a political weapon. watch. >> 1,000 federal troops are not there for your safety. instead, unmistakenly, the democratic party is using those troops to send the rest of us a message about power. we're in charge now. we run this nation from honolulu to the caribbean and everything in between very much including where you and your family live. do not question us.

men with guns enforce our decrees. we control the pentagon. >> harris: you're watching "outnumbered." attorney and fox news contributor emily compagno, leslie marshall. joining us on the virtual couch in the center seat former governor and fox news contributor as well, mike huckabee. great to see you in the new year. >> thank you. great to be with you. >> harris: congressman cohen is saying if you're male and white and in the military, you're dangerous to the rest of us? >> it is one of the most outrageous things steve cohen has ever said. and he's said a lot of outrageous things. i think sometimes he wins the prize for the most outrageous and ridiculous member of congress that the people of his district sent home. why he keeps getting re-elected is beyond me. he insults witnesses in

hearings. he does dumb stunts like carry a bucket of chicken into a hearing and licks his fingers. this is a guy that's much more a clown. he ought to put on a nose, some big shoes and makeup and honk a horn when he comes into congress. what he said was insulting and degrading. i just feel like the idiotsy of insin waiting that people in the national guard. i was commander and chief of the national guard for ten years, almost 11. let me remind mr. cohen something he apparently doesn't understand. national guard people are teachers, pharmacists, police officers, they're store owners. these aren't just some 18-year-old kids that have nowhere else to go. these are people who live in their communities, who are called up by their governor for service. and they ought to be respected. >> harris: wouldn't it be great if, in fact, representative cohen just didn't understand?

it is absolutely worse if, in fact, he just doesn't care. >> yeah, it's worse. i just want to point out this is unity and healing and taking down the temperature. >> harris: this is it? this is what it looks like? >> well, if you're on the left it is. these are unsubstantiated allegations number one. jim gaerte wrote it's a suspect list because race and gender on martin luther king jr. day, no less. it's reckless, dangerous. this is an anti-american as it comes. he is suggesting the vast majority of these national guard members are ready to take up arms against an incoming administration. this needs to be called out far and wide. we will not hear that from the left. but this is part of their play book, to verbally disparage and

attack people who literally put their lives on the line to protect all america. all i can do is shake my head and hold my tongue for the rest of this segment because i'll say something that involves a four-letter word. >> harris: oh, goodness. some four-letter words can really atlg. i may have to come back to you. when they vet people, we don't exactly know what we're going to find out. i don't know if you can vet the entire planet. there are people who are bad and good everywhere. are we just going to vet the planet? where are we with this? does biden need to express some understanding and gratitude for all these men and women? i don't know why it's cohen who thinks it's mostly men in the guard. as the governor pointed out, these are families, these are your neighbor. >> first dagen, cussing off the

air is one of the reasons i love you. going forward, saying something like that i do believe is irresponsible. the overwhelming majority of trump supporters do not agree with and did not participate with what happened on january 6th. however, what we do see with the facts of those who have been arrested, nine former, one from texas. i know governor abbott was upset, questioning an army reservist from new jersey, a former national guardsman from massachusetts and the fbi this morning reported they're seeing some ramblings online that some people are allegedly planning to disguise themselves as national guard members. one of the reasons they want everyone vetted. it's not that they don't trust the national guard. it's they don't trust some fringe element extremists that have the mindset of those involved last week on january 6th. >> harris: but cohen didn't actually say that though.

emily? >> right. respectfully, leslie, i think your point goes to exactly why they are vetting, but i do think that there's a tremendous casm between vetting the national guard and the thought that these troops would somehow betray their country. this is irresponsible, unsubstant kwraeuted to those men and women who are putting their lives on the line to protect the transfer of power. i come from a really strong military family, but i don't think you have to, to see how offensive this is. to me, it interferes with concept of duty and honor that clearly the congressman knows nothing about. if he did, he wouldn't say these concepts. of course, no question, there are people who engaged in criminal acts that we saw that prioritize loyalty to the president over loyalty to the constitution or this country. but to imply that 75% of the national guard would behave in

the same way, to me is incredibly demeaning. >> harris: i do want to point out the picture that you're looking at, that's a live picture across from the capitol grounds. those are national guard troops. when we tell you that they are in high numbers and dedicated, we mean it. as governor huckabee has pointed out, he has led men and women who has played this role not just big days like inauguration days, but just in our lives when things break apart and we need their help, like after a hurricane. governor? >> well, after a hurricane, an ice storm, a tornado. over 94% of the arkansas national guard troops actually ended up serving in combat in afghanistan and iraq. so these aren't just weekend soldiers. these are people who do the heavy lifting of the military, especially during times when we

were stretching them so thin. they were away from their families for 18 months at a time. they'd come home for nine months and then go back for another 18 month segment. we ought to be down on our knees thanking them. steve cohen ought to be thanking them, not what he's saying. >> harris: i want to just ask a follow-up before we head to commercial, governor. that is why would anybody think it would be the easy thing to pick on the people who protect us? why go there, congressman? >> i have no clue as to why he would do that. he's just, frankly, a disgusting person. if you've heard him speak in any hearing or on the floor of the house, he's just -- 435 members of the house, i would rank him number one in the most useless person that occupies a seat and gets a paycheck from the rest of the taxpayers. >> harris: go ahead. >> when you're best known in your role as a lawmaker and

congressman for carrying around a bucket of chicken, as the governor was talking about, to embarrass an attorney general, to embarrass a sitting attorney general, you're going to have to amplify your own idiocy for attention. that's what he's doing. >> harris: wow. wow. here's more of that, perhaps. seems like some democrats are stuck on the defund, now they're into deplatforming president trump and his supporters. a new call from the left. have you heard it? >> there are millions of americans, almost all white, almost all republicans, who somehow need to be deprogrammed. it's as if they are members of a cult, a trumpist cult, and who have to be deprogrammed. >> harris: loving a white person

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>> we have cooperation with the governor of new mexico and the tribal countries to address this as the regional crisis as it is. it is working. right now the perception that our borders are going to be open that are driving these caravans. >> harris: acting border patrol chief mark morgan on the migrant caravan headed our way through central america. while democrats say this is fear mongering, listen to one one of the actual migrants said talking with a reporter. >> a new president, biden. he's gonna help all of us. he's given us 100 days to get to the u.s. so we can get a better life for our kids and families. >> harris: he actually has reason to believe that. this is what president-elect joe biden said last march. >> 100 days of my administration no one, no one will be deported.

from that point on, the only deportations will take place are commissions of felonies within the united states of america. >> harris: there's more to his plan. we're learning biden is expected to create a pathway to citizenship for 11 million people without legal status as part of his immigration reform. governor huckabee, it is like someone turned on the lights and said, come through this door. is that the best course of action, even for the migrants who are paying a price of health and safety along the way? >> on one hand, harris, i'm glad joe biden said nobody will be deported because i feel like i'm safe in his administration for the first 100 days of being in his office. that's good news for people like me that might otherwise get thrown out of the country. the real tragedy is that these people are pouring in by the tens of thousands, desperately seeking a better life. i feel for them.

i genuinely feel for people who live in countries that you would beg to get out of but a of the horrible conditions they live in. but that doesn't mean that people can overwhelm our borders. here's the irony. we put 20 miles of razor wire on top offenses and barricades in our nation's capital to protect the lawmakers, but the lawmakers say walls and fences don't work and are, in fact, immoral, and criticized president trump for trying to create some sense of border. if it's lost on the democrats that it makes them look really foolish to show that juxtaposition. >> harris: this understanding that fencing and barb wire work on every particular human being, not just the ones they want to concentrate on. dagen? >> part of the problem is the incoming biden administration or even the left leading by the

mantra that everything that trump did is bad, we must undo it. that you do the opposite, even if it creates a catastrophe. rather than managing the health -- worst health and economic crisis that we've had in modern history. rather than getting your arms around that, the rhetoric from joe biden and his representatives on the campaign trail over the last year is actually creating another crisis that's going to be unmanageable and make the covid crisis potentially even worse. you got to get rid of anything president trump did, even if it's working, like the stay in mexico program. let's bring back catch and release. let's get rid of the program where people seeking asylum had to stay in mexico while their application was adjudicated. that policy actually worked. the trump administration policy

worked to slow immigration and secure the border. but let's just throw that out. biden and his representatives have tried to walk this back saying the stay in mexico program was going to be gone day one. now they're trying to throw cold water on that and they have for the last several weeks and it's not working. you can see it in these pictures. >> harris: i want to bring up title 42. one of my guests was talking about what happens with letting everybody through because of covid. title 42 is supposed to keep those numbers so low while we deal with the pandemic here, that they're also dealing with there. >> that's exactly right, harris. i think that's why the stakes here are so much higher clearly for health and safety for everyone involved than in, quote, normal times. i'd like to provide some broader

perspective. our greatest ally is mexico. the mexican president instituted reform regarding immigration on their own. he has not said by any means that he will roll back either some or more of those immigration policies that he's been implementing in the last four years including shoring up the southern border. he has maintained i'm not going to let this caravan come through our southern border. the last four years he's been shoring up immigration detention facilities because he deploys the national guard to monitor that migrant flow. guatemala and honduras are two different situations. i have to point out, too. the biggest back drop against all of this is the incredibly lucrative human smuggling trade that provides cover for and some funding for the narco cartels. since november, to your earlier

point, of course the smugglers have been in those would be migrants ears talking about the welcoming policy of president biden so they can entice them across the border. there's not enough time in this show to go through all the factor. >> harris: i do want to take a moment to pray for the children. they don't control to what's happening to them. make no bones about it, it is a dangerous trek. all right. we'll move on. "new york times" accused of downplaying last summer's protest violence. the backlash after a writer isolated property destruction. plus, some in the media likening president trump. is this the next step after big tech deplatforming? ah, the d word. defund, deplatform, deradicalize. how does this kind of rhetoric

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are growing after the capitol hill riot. katie couric sounding off on republican members of congress who voted against certifying the election result. >> i mean, it's really bizarre when you think about how awol so many members of congress have gotten. i also think some of them are believing the garbage they are being fed 24/7 on the internet, by their constituents and have bought into this big lie. the question is how are we going to really almost deprogram these people who have signed up for the cult of trump? >> harris: couric's remarks echo eugene robinson's remarks last week. >> there are millions of americans, almost all white, almost all republicans, who somehow need to be deprogrammed. they're members of a cult, the

trumpist cult and who have to be deprogrammed. >> harris: all this after social media sites like twitter and facebook banned the president, president trump, and then amazon, google and apple worked in coordination to basically shut down the social media app and platform parler. then a warning to businesses not to hire any trump communications officials. governor, in terms of the idea of deprogramming, is the plan of couric and others to cram everyone into a digital reeducation camp, make sure everybody gets reeducated and deprogrammed? >> i know one thing, all the trump supporters are getting ring doorbells so they can see who's knocking because it might be some government goon coming to take them away because they

voted differently than eugene robinson or katie couric. this is crazy stuff when people talk like that. most people who supported and voted for donald trump didn't do so because we are addicted to his personality. many of us don't even agree to the things he says or the way he said it. can i tell you what i agree with? i'm so glad he believes in the sanctity of life. i'm glad he reset the middle east and have countries now at peace with israel who were at enemy with them before he took office. he moved the embassy to jerusalem, keeping a promise america made 25 years ago. i'm glad he saw the best employment numbers for hispanics, blacks and women in this country's history and he gaved every family tax cuts and deregulation. i'm glad he stood up to china rather than roll over like the globalists have done that killed a lot of american jobs. that's not a cult. that's appreciation for a president who did some things

that many of us at least have the good sense to appreciate. >> harris: the goal is to censor, shut down, put out of business anybody that's not compliant with your views, led by kind of the big technology monopoly. >> i wouldn't agree with that sentiment. first of all, if you look at a company like twitter, any company, they don't just have an american consumer base. they have an international consumer base. any company cares about two things. bottom line and their image. they don't want to be connected to the perception that they were connected in any way and be responsible in any way because they could be held responsible legally, by people suing them, as to what happened january 6th. that's where i think the term deprogramming come from. not the majority of trump supporters are not the people that stormed the capitol. the people that did storm the

capitol, some are using that as a defense. i'm just doing what the president told me to do. even republicans in the party. it's not just liz cheney. new republicans who are coming in are saying they need to look at the party and reform their party, if you will, and decide, is it going to be people like marjorie taylor or the republican party that once was? i think the latter prevails among voters and among those elected officials. that's where all of this comes from. i can't stand censorship. i don't want one opinion silenced over the other. left or right, i don't want anybody to have rhetoric that could lead to violence. the first amendment doesn't cover that. it's very dangerous, as we saw on january 6th. >> harris: there are laws that shut down actual hate speech, where you are threatening to hurt anyone. but what is issing censored is not that at all.

again, facebook is just fine. facebook is one platform used to organize riot. parler was put out of business, although it popped back up. facebook is off limits. >> that's exactly right. i see the farce behind the people behind the platforms of big tech maintaining that they care about violence or the poisonous effect for it. it's an equal farce to those on the liberal left who maintain they are all about the equal exchange of ideas and open to conversation. what deprogramming clearly means is decancellation. especially big tech, why is the murder of allison parker's video still generating ad revenue on you tube. why was it on auto play on facebook and twitter? there are numerous examples of horrific violence that those platforms have shown again and again and they hide behind 230 and their sense of morality to only produce when it behooves them publicly.

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>> harris: former secretary of state hillary clinton hinting that president trump may have somehow looped in russian president putin on the capitol riot. this is during clinton's podcast while speaking with house speaker nancy pelosi. >> i would love to see his phone records, see whether he was talking to putin the day that the insurgeants our capitol. >> i don't know what putin has on him, but what happened last week was a gift to putin because

russia wants to under mind democracy in our country and throughout the world. these people, unbeknownst to them, they are putin puppets. >> harris: governor huckabee, have at it. >> hillary wants to see some phone calls to see if there were any between trump and putin. i'd kind of like to see 33,000 e-mails that we don't know what happened to. i'm just amazed. couldn't we pick on another country? russia's not our buddy. we understand that. but just for make variety, could we maybe pick on kiribati or some country some people never have heard of, just to keep it interesting and refreshing. >> harris? >> harris: i was googling to see where that was on the map. you know, i guess when you focus on one thing like that, it allows you to define another person.

i think that's the goal here with pelosi and clinton. what's problematic about that is there are ways to define president trump that have to do with what's going on right today. i'm talking vaccines. i'm talking two more companies perched to get emergency use authorization at this point. i guess you can pick on the low hanging fruit of the past. hillary did it. he couldn't get over the previous election. she wrote "what happened." i guess you can do that or start to move forward. it's a choice. >> you're reading my mind. i would said the title of her book "what happened?" kind of a question. >> dagen, are you asking me? that's how i said the title of her book the day after the election. look, what happened on january 6th does not help us with the way the world perceives us.

quite frankly, it does, as speaker pelosi does, have putin to say democracy leader, look, you are no different than us. the way the people reacted and the way you responded to those people that reacted in that manner and that were inciting violence and insurrection at our nation's capitol january 6th. i don't think the president was consulting with putin or with russia. we have eyewitness accounts to what the president was saying or doing. we hrr saw perception of what was taking place. i don't think he was on the phone with president putin. but it makes someone like putin puff his chest out more, looking down at the united states more than they have in the past. >> harris: for all of our enemies. they want to see us dissolve into nothing but chaos. >> they're rehashing the russian

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>> a big move by mike pompeo today. state department declaring china has been engaging in genocide among muslim minorities. pompeo will be joining us. less than 24 hours before president-elect joe biden will be sworn in. a number of his picks. how will they change u.s. policy. ari fleisher will be here to talk to us. and katie couric saying republicans need, quote, reprogramming. bias in america growing. join sandra smith and me at the top of the hour for america reports. see you then.

>> harris: a black lives matter demonstration turned violence in new york city. dozens of people were arrested. 11 officers were hurt. hundreds of demonstrators were blocking traffic, vandalizing property, throwing bottles. one of the bottles hit a police captain in the helmet. protests came after a new york times article described last year's black lives matter protest as, quote, the summer's isolated incidence of moving and property destruction. governor huckabee, your thoughts? >> i don't know how "the new york times" can say a police officer being hit in the head is property destruction unless they think the police officer is a piece of property. he's a human being. he's got family. he's got friends. he deserves to be treated with respect. he's enforcing the law for the rest of us. i find this offensive, but not that surprising that "the new

york times" can't call violence, whether it's from the left or from the right as being unacceptable, law breaking anarcy. it doesn't matter if it happens in seattle, minneapolis, los angeles, detroit, portland or new york city. >> harris: that's a long list of places that we were watching over the summer. leslie? >> i would have to say that i disagree with the language referring to what happened. the violence that took place although majority of protesters were peaceful, what we did see in areas like the governor mentioned, we saw terrible amounts of vandalism, looting, violence. that is completely wrong. however, i do feel there's a huge difference between what happened over the summer and on january 6th. because although the violence, the looting, riot, all illegal, all wrong, and i condemn it.

but on january 6th, there was insurrection, rioting and storming the capitol with the alleged intent to hurt and harm elected officials, perhaps even kill them, to the fbi. and in addition to that, try to overthrow the bill of the people via free and fair election that had not been proven to have widespread voter fraud. very different. >> harris: fox news we know, and i would imagine other media outlets reported there is no evidence for what you just said about some of the threats that people have talked about. we certainly understand in total what you're saying. i guess my question, emily, does it matter so much your reason for doing it as it does the outcome? i listen to all the words leslie used. she used all the words. then you've got the fight for justice over the summer. when you look at what's

happening on the streets of new york city from just yesterday. of course, this is a little older video. bottom line is violence was committed. look at the retired general trying to protect a looted business who lost his life. at the end of the day, the loss of life, destruction and violence is not different. >> that's right. on paper, in concept, maybe penalties with the law, sentencing, guidelines that maybe then it would make a difference. if it's your livelihood that was burned to the ground. if it was your loved one that had a brick thrown at his or her head, it all feels the same. whatever the direct impact to you is what concentrates this. i think to me, the starker the difference to what people are experiencing in their own communities and what they are

seeing in print describing it and what they are seeing parroted by their local elected officials talking about it, that is the gap that is contributing to people leaving these cities and also contributing to their vehemence about it. >> harris: a blistering indictment of what america's schools could be getting wrong about the nation's history. what president trump's 1776 commission said schools must do to counter the left shaming of america's founders. >> as many of you testified the left wing mayhem are the direct result of decades of left wing indoctrine nation in our schools. it's gone on far too long. i have an idea for a trade. why don't you call td ameritrade for a strategy gut check? what's that? you run it by an expert, you talk about the risk and potential profit and loss. could've used that before i hired my interior decorator. get a strategy gut check from our trade desk.

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distorted and defiled the american story with lawsuits and lies. >> harris: president trump there announcing the formation of the 1776 commission. its aim to promote patriotic education and counter what he sees as the left shaming of america's founder, in particular the new york times 1619 project which argues america was founded on slavery and racism. the 1776 commission leased a scathing report going after what it calls reeducation attempts by schools that re-frame the united states as, quote unquote, an evil country. dagen? >> this report is not going to silence anyone, not any liberal teacher. as the wall street journal editorial page points out, it's skeptical and critical of this report. it's meant to be a counter

weight to the wholly negative interpretation and teaching of american history, which you do get in some instances. i just hope it encourages, in some way, more people to go out there and study american history, u.s. history in college, because i think enrollments are at rock bottom. >> harris: we are doing a lightning round here, as we round out the hour. governor huckabee? >> you know, i feel so stupid. i grew up believing that my parents generation that won the war an saved us from imperialism and naziism. i grew up realizing this was a great country and thinking that and ended up going from catching chickens to being the governor of a state. if i just realized how awful we were, i might still be catching chickens in south arkansas. >> harris: wow. leslie? >> truth, we need to teach our children truth even if it's ugly. slavery was ugly. it's ugly that we see this.

some children have not been taught about the holocaust. we do have great things about this nation. all can be truth. that's what i want my 12 and 13-year-olds to be told, the good, the bad, the ugly, but i want them to know the true history of our nation. there is wonderful good and some terrible bad. >> harris: emily? >> i echo dagen's point, to just point viewers toward a cupertino example. learning of the left liberal ideas that we are being taught. the parents pushed back and ultimately changed the curriculum. it is important for parents to be invested and aware of what their students are being taught. if they do not agree, they can, in fact, change it. >> harris: that's a really good point. i mean, this does force you to engage, hopefully, right? to really lean in. if you don't like it, then stand up and shout you don't like it and get involved. amen to that. great to see everybody on the panel today.

outnumbered has come to an end. there's more to stay put to. sandra smith, john roberts "america reports." >> sandra: fox news alert, secretary of state mike pompeo is calling out china, hitting the country with new sanctions after declaring its policies against muslims and other minority groups as genocide. this is the latest action by the trump administration against china. secretary pompeo will join us live straight ahead with much more on that. and this is another alert. busy day on capitol hill. president-elect joe biden's key cabinet picks facing senate panels throughout the day, just one day before the inauguration. here we go. hello, everyone. i'm sandra smith. hi, john. >> john: good day. i'm john roberts from high atop washington, d.c. overlooking the white house, as we are within the final 24 hours of the trump administration. five of preside-e