won. number one. pete: there are no votes. jedediah: if you eat too much pie today, don't forget to blame will. it's all his fault. will: all the votes got added at 3 a.m. when no one was looking. i don't believe it one bit. >> have a great saturday, everybody. ♪ ♪ neil: keep the executive orders coming, 30 today and more are on the way. we are understanding right now that president biden is poised to force the issue with republicans who he hopes to work with, but many of whom are saying if you want to work with us, why are you doing everything on your own unilaterally? welcome, everybody, and happy saturday morning to you, i'm neil cavuto, this is "cavuto live," and we're going to be taking a look at the 30 executive orders president biden has signed just this week with more potentially on the way, rifling through some of the more obvious requirements here.

this is separate from the $1.9 trillion stimulus plan that already has at least one key democrat balking. first, let's get the very, very latest from mark meredith at the white house right now. same house, different occupant, i guess. >> reporter: neil, we're still here also. president biden getting right to work this week signing multiple executive orders focused on a number of different issues from the environment to immigration policies as well as the my. on friday the president having a chance to sign two executive orders he says he hopes will focus on helping americans that are still struggling during this pandemic, one on increasing federal food assistance for low income americans, the other on developing ways to increase the minimum wage up to $15 an hour. the president says these executive orders are not going to be enough alone, he wants congress to pass that $1.9 trillion stimulus package. >> on the covid-19 package that passed in december as a first

step, as i said at the time, it's just a down payment. we need more action, and we need to move fast. >> reporter: tomorrow the president's top economic advisers are expected to hold a call with lawmakers from both parties as they work out what type of package could actually pass through congress. there's been some complaints about whether or not another package is needed because, remember, lawmakers just passed a package in december, republicans also concerned about the growing debt the country faces. meantime, the senate's getting ready for another impeachment trial. the house is set to deliver its impeachment article against former president trump on monday, but opening arguments for the senate trial are not set to start for another two weeks, until february 8th. republicans had urged for a delay, they wanted president trump to have more time to get ready for such a trial, democrats want it done quickly, but they also realized they needed to get president biden's cabinet confirmed. february is the start date for those opening arguments. neil, just when you think things are going to calm down in

washington, it gets crazy yet again. neil? neil: do we know at this point, mark, beyond the 30 executive orders and actions the president has taken of more to come and where would they focus? one day on covid, one day on the economy, what are the plans to just keep this blitz going? >> reporter: the white house was asked yesterday whether or not we're going to get a week ahead guidance. at this point i don't believe something like that has come out. we asked whether or not we were going to see the president or the vice president, no public vents on their schedule. they obviously are still getting up and running. we heard from the vice president's chief spokesperson earlier this morning who simply said they are still getting moved in, they are getting up to speed on everything, but odds are we'll still here more as next week progresses. neil? neil: all right, thank you, my friend, very much. mark meredith. let's go to senator mike rounds who's not really too pleased with the early signals he's seen out of the biden administration. of course, the senator is from the beautiful state of south dakota. good to have you, senator. that's a lot of executive orders, actions, memoranda.

what do you think? it clipses his three -- eclipses his three predecessors at this stage combined. >> not unexpected but most certainly disappointing. specifically the ones we've been following and the one in particular that really impacts my state is basically when he killed the keystone xl pipeline project. that's going to put a whole lot of rail cars with oil on on the rail and it's going to impact dramatically our state and the surrounding states. if not -- not a good way to continue to grow the economy. if you want to grow the economy, you allow for infrastructure to be developed, particularly that supported by private industry and which will grow the economy. this is a multi, multibillion dollar project that would make it more efficient to move oil which we're going to be using for decades to come. and, unfortunately, he has immediately shut it down. thousands of jobs, 10,000 jobs involved in this. over 3500 in south dakota, 2000

that are already on the job. pretty disappointing to us in south dakota. neil: all right, to your point and i think you touched on it, tc energy, the first energy company to say if this is shut down, a thousand workers are shut off, more likely will follow. we've heard that canada's premier not very happy with this, maybe threatening legal action. i don't know what kind of legal action he can muster, but where does this take that pipeline? i mean, the canadians can keep it up there, all points in canada, and ship it to someone else, right? >> that's correct. it's going to go someplace, it's too valuable not to, and we still need the oil. it's either going to be shipped to other countries including china which has not the same type of environmental regulations that we have when it comes to the processing of that oil, or it could come back down

into the united states to the specific locations where they actually know how to process it, to actually do that crude oil. not all of the different refineries use that type of crude. so you've got to get it to the ones that do. this was the most efficient way to do it. it's still going to get moved, but now they're probably going to have to put it on rail cars, and it's not as safe. so this was simply the most efficient way to move about 830,000 barrels of crude oil per day, and that will probably go either by rail or go to another country. and in any vent, this particular company had already committed that they would make it carbon neutral in the transportation process. meaning your not going to get the same kind of commitment out of the rail lines, and you're most certainly not going to get it out of barges or from the country of china. neil: let's talk a little bit about the agenda and rolling things out. i guess the impeachment trial will technically start on

february 8th. do you think before that time all of the president's key nominees can be voted on as well as a vote on the $1.9 trillion stimulus plan, presumably before that trial were to begin? >> probably pretty difficult. i do think that our first priority should be allowing this president to establish his cabinet, to form his government. that's good for america. we may disagree philosophically on the direction that he wants to move the country, but he should have the opportunity to form his government. particularly in the areas of defense and continuity of government. so we had very few objections to the secretary of the department of defense and to the office of director of national security. those items we've already passed through. janet yellen should not have a problem next week in being confirmed, and i don't think the secretary of state will have a

problem being confirmed. but after that now we're talking about the different areas where they really reach in and do regulatory processes, so you're going to have a lot of discussion about epa, you'll have commerce, you'll have other areas where people are going to ask questions about what they want to do within their departments, the department of interior, another one. they'll ask those questions. it'll take time to work through those not in terms of trying to delay it, but actually doing the due diligence which is expected. it does take time to work through the senate. when you add in the fact that the president has indicated that he'd like to do additional covid-19 relief, he's going to have to be able to share why he's not targeting it, why he has gone as broad as he has. why is he asking for an increase in the minimum wage as a participant of this which he knows -- part of this which he knows will slow down the process. i think targeted relief, if it's justified, and expanding out over a longer period of time because he doesn't think we're going to get the pandemic under control, reasonable discussions to have, and i think he'll have

reasonable responses from the united states senate. but i don't think he's going to be successful in saying here's our program, take it or leave it, come on in and, you know, we're elected now, and you've got to kowtow the line. i don't think that's going to happen. and the fact that he put into the middle of it an impeachment, that will -- some people have said, well, can't you do both? the answer is, no, not without unanimous consent from 100 senators. so what you'll probably end up with, neil, is once you start the actual impeachment trial, everything else shuts down, and we go to simply being jurors sitting monday through saturday until such time as the impeachment trial has been completed and a verdict has been renderedded. then we can get back to substantive work on the president's agenda and on actually responding specifically to the targeted needs in responding to the pandemic.

neil: all right. we'll see what happens. as you know, senator, some democrats have argued you can cut the schedule, you know, address some of these other matters earlier in the day, but that does seem like a herculean task. senator, thank you for coming and joining us on a saturday. in the meantime, we are going to be looking at that agenda a little more closely fair and balanced with a democratic senator now. keep in mind the president could have problems not only with republicans, that seems to be obvious, our chat with senator rounds, but even some democrats. after this. us moving forward. hey, kevin! hey, guys! they have customized solutions to help our family's special needs... giving us confidence in our future ...and in kevin's. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected.

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joining us. senator, thanks for coming in, always enjoy having you. is it all doable to do all of that? i know that old line, you know, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. the record in congress is that it can't. are you optimistic that it can get all this stuff done in. >> neil, good to be with you. yes, i think we can. obviously, a lot to do. as senator rounds, my colleague, who's a really decent guy and a great legislator, but mike rounds was pointing to getting the cabinet nominations processed, especially the ones that were completed this week. and i think janet yellen, who got a 26-0 vote in the finance committee of which i'm a member, that's a good sign for that treasury secretary nomination. so i think that's going to have to, that will play out in the next couple of days and weeks. in addition to that, we've got to continue to work on the proposal that president biden laid out, the american rescue plan. i know some republicans won't like parts of it, but i think we

can come to a consensus on that because no matter where you live, you have these high case numbers and high death numbers, over 400 -- we're about 415,000 people who are dead, about 25 million cases. in pennsylvania, neil, we've got in terms of covid deaths more covid deaths in our state than were killed in action in world war ii. i think that's true of a number of states. so we have to work on that. and then, thirdly, we have to, ultimately -- not this week because this week will just be formalities, but starting february 8th we have to go through and process an impeachment trial. but i still think even in that week, and i think it's probably going to be hoping just that week or or ten days, in the mornings we can get things done whether it's nominations or committee meetings or otherwise. neil: you know, you mentioned about the covid relief and the stimulus plan around it. how does a push for a $15 federal minimum wage address some of these covid issues up

front? important though i'm sure it is to you, sir, there are a lot of people saying let's just get this focused on covid-related issues, and now not the time to be getting sidetracked on an issue that could be quite onerous, for example, to small businesses who are already hurting precisely because of covid. >> well, neil, look, i think when a president wins an election, they want to set the agenda for the issues that they talked about in the campaign, and a raise in the minimum wage is something joe biden talked about a lot, and he won the election -- neil: i understand that, no, no the, you're quite right, senator, but is now the time to do that? >> well, yeah, i think what he's trying to do is he made a bold proposal, $1.9 trillion. and, you know, neil, i'm glad he did. you know what sometimes democrats do? we negotiate against ourselves.

why not present a bold proposal and then a second proposal that's focused on the economy, but for now on covid i think it was smart for him to make a bold proposal. the good news is just looking at the screen earlier in your broadcast, the fact that joe biden's meeting with republican senators early on, i think that's a good sign. i think that will continue. and there are some days where we can reach consensus and other days where he has to plow forward. but i think there's plenty of opportunity for good with old-fashioned -- good old-fashioned negotiation to get to a place where we can begin to speed up the vaccinations, begin to reopen schools and get the economy kickstarted. neil: are you for blowing up the filibuster, senator? >> neil, based upon what's happened over the last not just four years, but the last six years where it seems like the senate became kind of a nomination machine only,

substantive legislation didn't move very far, i'm in the frustrate thed senator camp. i think that's a pretty broad group. for different reasons maybe depending on the party, but i'm much more open to this idea than i would have been two, three years ago because we have -- neil: then what would be the difference, senator, between the body in which you work, at least 100 senators of these united states and the house with 435 work, maybe the only difference is the length of your terms. that's one special right with the senate that would be blown away if the filibuster's blown away, right? >> well, we'll see. and i think we're -- that debate is still kind of in the early stages. we've got to concentrate now on getting covid relief out the door real fast. and, by the way, i think as president biden proposed, that $1400 check which i think is a lot of support in both parties maybe not reflected in what

republican senators say right now, but i think there's a lot of support for it because there's a lot of people -- neil: not all democrats are onboard, right, senator? i'm sorry to interrupt you, but even senator joe manchin has raised eyebrows about the size of the package and whether the stimulus checks will go out to people who don't, for example, need them. or deserve them, that it should be focused and targeted, and that's a big concern. that sounds like a potential early no democratic vote. are you concerned? >> well, when you're trying to get relief to a lot of people that are hurting and especially people who live in communities of color, low income if folks who have suffered disproportionately with regard today virus, higher cases, higher death numbers, higher unemployment, all kinds of calamities hitting communities at the same time, i think it's important to get big and bold relief out there. i would err on the side of something too big as opposed to trying to be so targeted that you miss having the impact. the good news is on the $1400 is

it has a stimulative effect as well. we want people to use that to buy food. we still have record numbers of people going every day without food, people on food lines who have never been in those lines in their lives. so i would rather, you know, to use an expression punch that covid challenge and punch down the unemployment number so we can jump-start the economy. i think it's -- the risk of doing too little is much higher than the risk of overappropriating. neil: all right. we'll see what happens. senator bob casey, thank you very much, senate finance committee and, as he pointed out, janet yellen unanimously approved within that committee to be the next treasury secretary of the united states. still has to get full senate confirmation, but a sign of progress because that unanimous vote would, obviously, include republicans. we have a lot more coming up

here. the impact of some of the president's early executive orders and directives including one that puts a 100-day freeze on deportations. the arizona sheriff who's not too happy about that, after this.

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♪ ♪ neil: you heard a -- you've heard a lot about these executive orders that the president has signed, a lot of them have to do with immigration, reversing the trump ban on majority muslim countries, stopping construction of the border wall. but the one that's generating the most controversy is his plan to put a freeze for a hundred days on deportations.

that has got a big, big concern with mark can el, the cocheese county, arizona, sheriff who joins us now. sheriff, this was your, i guess, biggest fear going into the biden presidency. he minute hid his displeasure of the -- hadn't hidden his displeasure of the deportation wave. he's freezing it for a hundred days to get a sense of a better policy. what do you think? >> well, neil, thank you for having me, or and it is concerning. as the chairman of the national sheriffs association border security committee for all our borders, you know, every elected official up to the president of the united states has an obligation to protect all americans. we're in a world pandemic right now, neil, where, i mean, we're talking spending trillions of dollars to protect americans, keep them on their feet, and we're going to have this -- i call this playful theater.

i think we need to understand why i'm so concerned. in the paris nine months of -- first nine months of 2019, we had 141 different countries breach our southwest border. we had a thousand gang members representing 20 different countries, 3500 children exploited on the southwest border by the cartels, 6100 fraud families, 271 deaths, 16,000 violent felons, 822 assaults on agents, and i can go on from that. our southwest border and all our borders in our country need to be secured, and to have political theater over our borders is scary, it's trouble many and worrisome to every american out there. neil: all right. now, the president seems to be saying, sheriff, this is not a permanent thing. i guess he had a call yesterday with the mexican president, lopez obrador, and among the things that came up was a plan to reduce migration by addressing, quoting here a white house statement, its root causes, increasing resettlement

capacity and lawful alternatives to immigration pathways, thereby improving processing at the border to adjudicate requests for asylum. in other words, cleaning up the process, making it more efficient so this mess doesn't linger. what do you think? >> and i respect that, neil, i do. and i respect our new incoming president. but, again, there's got to be balance in everything we do, you know? president trump actually brought local, state and federal law enforcement and leaders together. we worked very well over the last four years. i am worried that that will go away, and i know my federal partners i've spoke to on the southwest border, my sheriffs around the country, we're worried about it too. we've got to have balance in that. i sat on the president biden's transition team for border security, and i explained what i'm explaining to you today and your viewing audience that we have to be collective, we have to be collaborative, we have to be balanced in all our processes and what we do on the border. because it boils down to that

quality of life that every american expects and, i believe, deserves. neil: there is some confusion, sheriff, and you can help me with this, that you can't deport anyone, that no matter the heinous events, even if they murder people, you can't do that. is that accurate? people in the biden administration say, no, no, no, if you have characters like that, you know, they're outta the here. but what is your understanding of this order? >> well, currently -- and that's what's scary about it. there's a lot of unknowns in this order. it's kind of a freeze but an unknown, a lack of deportation within the order, and that's what's scary. back in 2019 before we really got a handle on this was the fact that over 200,000 were released into communities in the united states. that should be a concern to every resident in this country. when we don't follow our due processes and we don't have good processes, and i respect, like i said a few minutes ago, what happens to not everybody coming to america is here for the

american dream9 and the opportunities. they're here because the cartels have sent them here to infect if our communities and our way of life. so i'm skeptical in the fact, neil, that bad people are going to exploit this new 100-day and where we're going in the future, and that's what i stand against. neil: understood. sir, thank you for taking the time. you've got a tough job, but you keep a great attitude. arizona sheriff dealing directly with these border issues that no matter the president are still paramount, aren't they? no matter what happens. all right, we told you already about the president's directives, how busy he's been with that, but that one shutting down the keystone pipeline, though it was widely expected, one company didn't waste a nanosecond announcing it's going to lay off 1,000 worker, and now we've got the premier of alberta, canada, threatening action if the u.s. goes through

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>> this is a horrible decision on the part of the new administration to do this. this is going to impact nebraska. you know, we expected to get about a thousand good paying jobs here. these are union jobs. some of these jobs pay $135 or $150 an hour. and then, of course, there's jobs that would be permanent after the construction of the pipeline and then, of course, property tax relief to the counties that the pipeline ran through. neil: all right. the nebraska republican governor not too pleased with the9 president's decision, well telegraphed, if you will, that he wants to shut down the keystone pipeline, at least any part of it that's in the usa. the canadians are ticked because, remember, this was to be the major artery.

they're not doing anything differently, the canadians, they will just find places in their country from which which to ship it to, well, other cups. maybe not our -- other cups. a thousand jobs cut, more likely to follow. the impact to all of this with steve moore, we've also got francis newton stacy and jenna arnold, democrat strategist. jenna, to the president's credit, he said he would do this, he is doing this. he knows it's ticking off a lot of democratic union constituencies, but he hopes to offset that with jobs in clean energy down the road. but try telling that to those workers right now. this is backfiring on him. >> neil, thank you so much for having me on this beautiful saturday morning. i appreciate your note about job creation. it's important that we say laser focused on the facts around those significant bullets. according to our department of state, there was only going to be approximately 2,000 part-time

jobs, 2,000 part-time jobs assigned to this particular project with 35 full-time jobs. 35 full-time jobs. so i want to make sure we're yacht aggrandizing exactly what potential was here -- neil: well, there were different numbers, as you know, jenna, out of two different energy departments, the one during barack obama's tenure and the one during trump's tenure that puppets it at tens of thousands of more jobs. we can play math with this, but i do want the get your sense of what message the prime minister is sending -- the president is sending to the traditional fossil fuel industry that you're dead, you've gone, you're not part of my plan? what? >> well, i appreciate that point, neil, particularly since the fossil fuel industry has spent upwards of a billion dollars last year courting congressional ally on this. if they're so concerned about jobs, take that billion dollars and divide it by those thousand

people. i'm sure they would appreciate how that would pan out for them. so this idea that, yes, biden has made it crystal clear and, again, i want to address the fact that alberta representatives including prime minister trudeau are disappointed by the decision, but they saw it coming. and fossil fuel industry has had a very, very long horizon on how this administration is going to focus on clean energy, and it's what we have to do to sustain a planet. neil: all right. well, steve moore, she's right about this, you know, joe biden didn't pull any punches, do anything, you know, weird. i mean, we knew this was coming, we knew it would come via executive order. so it's the impact shouldn't be what it is, especially when you look at oil prices which continue to trend down maybe on bigger issues like, you know, the showdown in the economy, the pandemic and all of that. so is this as big as opponents of president biden have made it out to be?

>> well, look, i think jenna's right, you know? the left basically said if we take power, we're going to shut down american oil and gas, and this is the first, you know, arrow in their quiver with. a lot more to come. and, obviously, this doesn't put jobs first, it puts the radical green agenda. the greens have have won, the blues have lost, the blue collar workers. shame on some of these industrial unions that endorsedded biden, and then he pays them back by destroying their jobs. compare this with putting america back into the paris climate accord, you're ripping into the guts of one of america's industry. you had a great interview with senator casey who kept saying we're going to put jobs first. how in the world does this put jobs first when the first job is to displace 2,000, 3,000, 5,000 jobs, we don't know?

neil: francis, if the markets are deeply troubled by this, they have a funny way of showing it. maybe they're looking at the big picture to say, all right, we get out of the worst of this covid, we get a handle on it and its progression and then we can sort of some of these other issues. but certainly given their performance early in this administration, you have to think they're giving him the benefit of the doubt. what do you say? >> well, the thing is that this is going to have a domino effect that effects more than those just losing their jobs. when you reduce supply and increase demand as we will see occurring, you raise prices, right? oil prices are going to go up. the fact that, you know, we're not going to have north american independence for oil or that threat again, you know, puts pricing back into the middle east which undermines our economy, and, you know, the thing is i agree with all of the environmental initiatives.

but it's going to be a very, very, very long time before we give up oil. and i think we just kind of have to recognize, you know, that we have to diversify energy sources until maybe someday we can give up oil. but it's just so far out in the future that most americans are affected by oil and gas prices and will be for a very, very long time. and their food costs are going up and the cost of living's going up, inflation is going up, interest rates are going up, so this is going to be sort of collective against the recovery. neil: all right. still early in the processment of we'll see what's next. only one prominent energy company has announced layoffs, but i think, to steve's point, more likely could follow. that's the fear. again, so far limited to one company. remember, the pipeline itself exists and will stay existing in canada. it's just where that oil goes from canada. not here for the time being. all right, we have a lot more coming up here, the sad news about an iconic figure in broadcasting, larry king gone at 87 years. he had the unique distinction of

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queens and statesmen and presidents and rock stars and actors and actresses. not too shabby for a guy who freely admitted i'm just a high school graduate who lucked out. >> that's right, neil. legendary and one of a kind, the only two thoughts that i had when i saw his passing earlier today, imagine that, 63 years in radio and then television and 25 years, as you mentioned, as the face of cnn prime time, 1985-2010. 50,000 interviews conducted during his career. imagine that. and ma made him -- what made him such a patently skilled interviewer was his ability to listen and the fact that he knew that he got such great guests night after night that their stories and they were the stars of his show, not necessarily himself. he would ask the question and then let the conversation -- and that's what it was, a conversation -- go from there. and you see the all the accolades and all the

remembrances now coming in. piers morgan, who actually replaced him, called him a brilliant broadcaster and a masterful tv interview iser, also joked that he was an expert on mothers-in-law having been married eight times. [laughter] craig ferguson -- that was funny, right? cbs late night host called him a true mensch, he probably even taught me that word. so long, pal. and i was exchanging texts with heidi collins who's a former cnn anchor, she said he was a friend first, a mentor second, and she will miss her friend dearly. and even president obama on his final show in 2010 called him mohamed ally of the broadcast -- muhammad ali of the broadcast interview. ity that sums it up best. neil: you know, i think we have the wrong idea, joe, of tough questions. he would ask -- they were provocative, simple questions that would elicit a very interesting response. one i remember when he had

richard nixon on, what do you think when you drive by the watergate hotel? [laughter] what an interesting way to get into the whole watergate thing? you know, that was not an accidental type question, it was another way to ask something that other journalists would use and follow in a more traditional manner. but he did that a lot. >> yeah. he was a nonpartisan guy, right? and that's why he was able to get all these different people from across the political spectrum, from across the hollywood spectrum. people wanted to go on larry's show because they knew they would get a fair shot to share their stories and to share their perspective on things without having to run into a gotcha question. and, look, he may be remembered for these two things most, neil, he's the last prime time cable news host to actually take phone calls from his viewers. this is something that would be unheard of now. and the last is wearing suspenders and pull it off. [laughter] he will be missed but, again, he

realized he wasn't -- didn't have to be the focus, the star even though his name was on the billboard, and that's something that takes tremendous discipline and being unselfish, and that's what larry king was, a very unselfish man that everybody just seemed to love, neil. neil: you know, you think about it, joe, we live in such a polarized culture on the right and the left, and the two sides will never see the good in the other, and i get that. but one of the things that he seemed to get as well is that if you provide a comfortable enough venue for people, they'll say the darnedest things. big national policy discussions were done on his show. i remember with ross perot and al gore, you know? talking about trade accords, talking about deficits, talking about -- that was on a show that general rated huge ratings -- general rated huge ratings because the way it was presented and letting each guy get his case out. now there's very little room given to those who might have a slightly opposing view or that might be out of favor with any

given network. i just found that remarkable. >> yeah. and then maybe this'll be a reminder of what does work on it's, and that is the fact -- on television, and that is the fact that maybe you do go a full hour with a guest. once it becomes conversational and once you get to talking back and forth, you almost forget that the lights are on and millions are watching, and you just may reveal something that otherwise you would have been forwarded in a 5, 6-minute interview. maybe that format, there is room for that now. maybe we can embrace that and bring that back instead of jamming in, you know, 5, 20 guests into one show. particularly if you get a big guest, go with the full hour and really get nuanced. can can we get back to that? i hope we have. neil: we have no more time for you, joe, sorry. [laughter] thank you very much. very good reflection on the power of that. thank you, my friend, very, very much. the hill media columnist, fox news contributor. larry king, one of the origins,

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[background sounds] neil: all right, we still don't know who was behind all this rioting going on, the likes of portland and seattle the day of president biden's inauguration. we have the seattle police officers guild president with us right now. still haven't gotten to the bottom of it. have you in. >> neil, good to be back with you again. that's a great question. yes, we have figured it out, it's antifa. and the problem is that the city officials are now a tough spot.

they can no longer blame the police for these demonstrations. clearly, they have to figure out a way to pivot. and the best way to do thats as i just highlighted in my podcast, is to listen to what the citizens are saying. and we belong to team blue of washington. we just released a poll which is very recent that says 88% of the seattle populace are fed up with what is occurring with these demonstrations. now, i feel sorry for the business owners downtown and their employees, those business owners are being held hostage as much of the seattle populace is being held hostage because there are antifa members, criminality, 50-100 of them, that are holding us all hostage and our elected officials are failing to address it. they're looking to pivot. they can't blame the police anymore. this is on them. neil: all right. well, the reason why i ask is some of these other law enforcement officials in other cities are saying it wasn't

antifa acting alone, they question your accuracy by saying black lives matter activists were key in the violet attack at the -- violent attack at the capitol a couple of weeks back. how do you answer that? >> i can answer it clearly. law enforcement's caught in the middle of what's occurring in our nation. and i speak specifically to public safety issues for seattle and the pacific northwest. clearly, police are being caught in the middle between two factions that are using violence to push their political ideology. and i feel sad for everybody in the city of seattle -- neil: but do you, did you have any proof of that? the black lives matter activists, the attack on the capitol, certainly no evidence of that, chief. and because you said that, eight of the nine members of the city council have since been calling for your resignation. could you clarify finish. >> neil, that's not what i said99 a all. i tweeted, i retweeted an impeccable journalist who said there are other activists there

at the capitol. period. this is a clear political hit job to remove my voice because they're looking to somebody else as their scapegoat. they're pointing at more police. it's time that the council recognizes that they have to answer to this antifa nonsense that's holding our city hostage -- neil: just striving for clarity, chief. i understand, just for clarity, you're not saying black lives was -- >> not at all. i never did. neil: two of your police officers were in washington at that time for that rally, as part of it. was that a problem for you? >> well, it would only be a problem if they actually participated in the violence. if they're there just exercising their first amendment rights, then that is their constitutional right. i in no way blamed any other group for the cause of destruction at the capitol. that's not my lane. my lane is public safety. i represent 1300 men and women of the seattle police department. i remind you right before george floyd broke out, just weeks

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>> all right. well, they were there to keep the peace and they succeeded and now, they're able to leave, but there is a catch about all of those thousands of national guardsmen and women there. they're not all going to leave. thousands could remain right through march. let's get the latest from lucas tomlinson in washington. lucas, what's the story here? >> well, good morning, neil. a short time ago new hampshire governor chris sununu says he'll end the guards home as

they were out of the capitol. >> and they don't complain, but it's my job to protect the team and make sure they're not put into the submarine standard conditions so we pulled them out. >> as you mentioned, neil, not all the troops will be leaving soon. the natural guard says it's in the process of cutting forces from 26,000 down to 7,000 by the end of the month. but as many as 5,000, a whole brigade will stay through mid march and thoughts that some might turn, as they did when the president was sworn in. and many were outraged over the garage incident. >> this is what happened. there was one uniformed police officer who issued an order without authority, or without going through the chain of command. >> we heard about it at 9:30, on top of it 10:00 and by

11:00, 11:30. >> what was the issue? >> no one -- that they had to leave and no one understood why, but it's done and they have a place to stay. >> over 100 national guardsmen deployed to washington tested positive for the coronavirus. the guard blames the capitol police for the garage snafu and the police deny the accusation. the topic of the garage never came up at the briefing yesterday and fox was not there. and they apologized. neil: i want to give you a virus update in the meantime where we stand on this. cases on the bad side, deaths remain stubbornly high better than 4,000 a day. the seven-day moving average of those who are getting diagnosed with this or requiring hospitalizations, that is on the decline. in fact, the best numbers we've

seen on that front in the better part of a couple of months. this, as the c.d.c. is changing some guidelines when it comes to the vaccine, who gets it when and what you have to do for the rollout and complicated stuff. and joining us now. the former c.d.c. director. doctor, always good having you. first off where you think we stand with the virus right now. president biden says it's going to get worse before it gets better, another 100,000 deaths could be popping up by the end of the next month, that would bring us to half a million and then the arc could begin to improve. what do you think? >> well, first off, neil, the fact is, cases, infection rates, hospitalizations and deaths are still astronomically high. so we have a major problem. it is true that over the last week or two they're coming down some, but if you've had a flood and now the flood waters are receding, but they're still way over the danger level, that's basically where we are. and that's the reason it's so

important we double down on protection protocols. wear a mask and if you have to be indoors, try to be indoors with people in your household, kind of minimize your time indoors with people outside of your household. neil: you know, i'm not quite sure, doctor, so glad i have you since you do have a good idea of what the new guidelines from the c.d.c. are, especially when it comes to those waiting for second doses, whether they can wait or whether it's okay if it's not exactly 21 days. i didn't get the gist of all of them, but these changes mean what? are they preparing for the possibility, a second wave of vaccines for that first wave may not be readily available so they're pivoting a bit or what? >> this is the most complicated vaccination program in united states history and the two-dose series makes it even more complex and what the c.d.c. is saying, get the two doses as scheduled.

21 days for pfizer, 28 days for moderna. but if there's an extreme problem, it's okay if it has to be delayed for a couple of weeks or in certain circumstances, if you have to get the other vaccine. better to get it directed, but better to get any vaccine. don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. the bottom line, neil, we need to get vaccines out of freezer and into arms. vaccination is not going to drive the case rates down for many months. it may drive death rates down, especially if we can vaccinate more people in nursing homes and people over age of 65. and those are the people that account 40% of deaths 65 and 80% of deaths and if we can get them vaccinated sooner, death rates should come down before the case rates come down. if we work together, we could over the summer get a high vaccination rate and in everything goes well by the fall lead to a newer normal.

the wild card here, neil, is the variant because they are he a more and more concerning. neil: and there are a lot of varients to your point. in the u.k. they're saying that this could be more deadly than earlier thought. and dr. fauci seemed to be saying some vaccines might not be able to address these varients completely. does that mean that if you have the variant versus if you have the more traditional virus, it's not a gimme that it's going to work the same? >> right now the vaccine works well against the viruses that we know to be circulating in this country, but it's a race. it's a race of vaccination and safety measures against the virus and the virus evolves. it learns to evade our defenses. so, we need to get people vaccinated quickly and we need to tamp down spread because the more virus there is out there,

the more chances it has to figure out a way around our natural defenses. but currently, the vaccine works. the risk is that future strains of this virus might evade this vaccine or might be able to reinfect someone who has been infected before and would have otherwise been protectedment we don't know that that would be the case, we're learning that this virus is a tough one to fight and the more we all work together and take care of ourselves and each other, the safer, we'll all be. and the more people will be able to see that new normal. neil: a number of states explored the possibility of going ahead and not saving that second vaccine releasing it as a first vaccine for folks lining up and waiting. is there a risk in that? it means that the second dose gets delayed for a number of folks. is there any danger to that? >> i think most states are actually anticipating that

they'll have enough second doses. there are a few people who won't come forward for their second dose and the vaccine manufacturers are delivering more all the time. one thing we really must have is more systemic information about when the vaccines are expected. i haven't seen that anywhere publicly, when is pfizer delivering, when it moderna delivering, and we're hoping that the j and j vaccine will get approved as early as next week and might be available in a month or two. i think we'll see the vaccine supply improve over the next few months. this is a tough few months and that's why it's so important that we mask up better, including maybe moving up from a cloth mask to a surgical mask or from a surgical to a kn95 because they're more effective and minimize time indoors with people who aren't in your household. neil: on the j & j vaccine is a

single dose vaccine, correct? >> it may be, we have to wait to see what the results of their trials show, but one of the arms of the trial is using a single dose. and some data that just came out last week suggests that the level of protection from a single dose may be quite high. neil: all right. dr. friedman, thank you. i always learn a lot. dr. tom friedman, resolve to save lives president and sage advice, stay calm and do all you can do not to let down your guard. in the meantime, fuhrer of republicans -- publishers gathering together and not to publish any books by donald trump, or anyone seemingly to do with donald trump. do you think that republicans are upset about this? wait until you hear about a prominent democrat who just told me enough already after

this.

>> do you think he needs to address that, with the case of publishers who now sort of wipe out 200 plus officials who might be entertaining a book from serving in the trump administration? is that going a little too far? >> well, my sense is that joe biden believes in our constitution, believes in free speech and for that reason i think would probably say that everybody has a right to be able to express their views. i think that's the right course. i think our country is stronger when everybody has the ability to say what they think. neil: all right. leon panetta is a very powerful

democrat, influential one as well. even he, this is a former defense secretary, a former chief of staff. this has gone a little too far, the silencing of anything to do with donald trump, not to say publishing houses, gathering of list of a hundred plus, potential devotees and that they will not enentertain those books and chris agrees. when a prominent democrat says all right, this is going too far, that should catch people's attention, but you've been saying this, really, since the outcry over the uprising in washington, that you criticized the violence, you criticized what you thought were a distinct minority of trump supporters that day that went after and into the capitol, but this is going too far. is that still your --. >> well, of course, it's just absurd and is their view going

to be if someone does publish these individuals that they'll go burn those books? they'll ban them? i mean, for heavens sake, this is like germany in 1936. when in the world did the united states become a place where, you know, major portions of business and tech and industry just said, we're not only are we not going to listen to you, we're not going to allow you to speak and we're going to shame anyone who listens to you or does hear you speak or who does read your books or consider your ideas. and honestly, it shows the weakness and the frailty of their own theories and their own thinking because if they could defend their own ideas, defend their own policies and ideas they want to implement, you don't have to lie about it, you don't have to exaggerate about it and you don't have to shut down other people. but if you're not confident that you can defend your own ideas, your own values, then you default to that position of just shutting everything else down and that's exactly what we're witnessing today, and it's frankly just un-american.

it's as un-american as anything we've seen for anyone to take this view and last thought on this, as those books will be publish. someone will step into that void. people will kind a way to exchange ideas. american people aren't stupid. it's not like we're going to say, well, gosh, that's too bad. i guess i'll never get to hear what any of these individuals will say. someone will step forward and the books will be published and ideas will be heard and american people will be able to consider nem. neil: and indeed, that's happening in the case of josh hawley's book dumped by simon & schuster and picked up by a more conservative publisher. having said that, congressman, the intolerance is building to the point that anyone who voted for challenger the electoral vote and even though it happens every four years, someone does, an inordinate number this year, and maybe galvanized by the president and maybe not, and

they've been-- one outlet said they have blood on their hands. what do you think about that talk in the fallout. >> and if this was an olympic event it would be gold medal. and for six months we saw rioting, violent rioting, not a peep about that. including those like the vice-president and others who actually encouraged it. and that's not an exaggeration. she said, nancy pelosi said and others, there should be these uprisings. she asked them not to stop, to keep going until they achieved their goal. and then one day in january, the whole script flips and now everyone's an insurrectionist? you know, again, it's the hypocrisy of it is just-- it's mind-boggling, but i've got to come back to this because i really believe it and i hope it's still true. the american people aren't stupid. they can understand it and look at what happened in portland

and seattle and washington d.c. and many other cities and then compare that to one day in january and say, well, you know what? i think they're both bad. we should condemn them both not just condemn one side and not just to try to silence one side. and big business is going to rue the day they take this view, i really believe that. very can't take-- >> you raised a good point, congressman, but do you ever worry it can go too far then on both sides, already this plan to primary or go after, or push out of house leadership these 10 republicans, including liz cheney, who voted to impeach the president, that that's the retribution that must be paid. does that go too far? in other words, if you're going to be open-minded and allow people to express their thoughts and they do, and then you punish them for doing that, isn't it just as offensive to target republicans who did just that? >> yeah, and so-- if i could just very quickly

complete my thought, there are democrats who did the same and challenged electorals. if you're just a congressman or congresswoman and representing your district and took your vote, it was a vote of conscience, you should be allowed to do that and i've always said that and believe that. i think when you take on responsibility of leadership that you then have an additional responsibility to represent the conference, and if you're weakening the conference or if you put your members in positions that make it untenable for them, make it more difficult to justify their own vote or more difficult to become reelected or raise money if you make them a target of the democrats, then, again, that puts you in a different situation than other members and i think-- >> you're not advocating, congressman, to be clear, you're not advocating that liz

cheney or someone not vote his or her conscience. >> no. neil: if they're objecting to something like that, they're not going to toe a line, that gets them in the trouble if the first place. >> absolutely, vote your conscience and that's what liz cheney did and explained that's what she was going to do. i think the thing that people are more concerned with and it might be the way that she did it. her timing of the way she did it. some of the things she said she allowed herself to be quoted multiple times by those who are democratic colleagues, and targeting her republican colleagues because of her comments. i think that's a concern that a lot of people have, and i think liz could address that, and i think there could be a conversation where, you know, ms. cheney remains as the chairman of our conference, but i do think there needs to be some conversation regard why she did what she did and how she did it. neil: all right. we'll watch it closely, congressman, thank you for taking this time.

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>> i'm just curious of what you make of some of the moves that joe biden has made since becoming president, including rejoining the paris, you know, environmental accords, rejoining the world health organization. good steps in your direction? good idea about where this administration could be going? your thoughts.

>> delighted that it's one of the first things he did was to re-sign. we need to get this world into a world that's run by clean energy, employs hundreds of thousands of people and, you know, and doesn't pollute the world and i mean, the cost of solar is less than the cost of coal. it makes business sense and environmental sense so, yeah, i was delighted. neil: all right. sir richard branson with whom i caught up yesterday and very happy he doesn't have to fly into space to escape what he said was an administration, a trump administration that was ignoring these environmental concerns. precious to the left and maybe precious to my next guest. a great day, this is the california governor, the last california governor to be recalled, they're launching a

similar effort right now against gavin newsom, i don't know where that's going, but happy to have the governor with us. happy to have you. >> my pleasure, neil. neil: and what they're saying, the environment, and being part of the world club matters again and that should matter to everyone. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. there's too much carbon in the environment. it's a worldwide problem and takes a worldwide effort. i think that rejoining the paris accords makes sense and senator perry to take the need on-- senator kerry to take the lead on this makes sense. and who makes sense. these infectious diseases are not going away. going to other countries like we did on ebola, solving the problem there is great, even if you can't solve it, it gives you a three or four month head

start to understand the virus or infectious disease and we can come up with a vaccine to deal with it. so working in a collaborative fashion makes sense. neil: you know, governor, a lot of people say that the president isn't working in a collaborative fashion and that i think axios reported this week that he talks like a moderate, but he signs executive orders, this is my spin on that story, like a die-hard progressive. even the l.a. times had said of the president's direction, that it might be more california centric than we think, going so far as to say, make america california again, that's the biden plan. what do you think of that? because there are a lot of people looking at the jobs leaving california, the companies going to safer, lower tax and regulation confines like texas and florida and saying, no, that -- wonderful as your state is, governor, you

should not be the model. [laughter] >> well, i don't know where to begin, neil, but california is-- >> i thought you'd just agree with everything i just said, that's all. >> well, i'm going to do it in a polite fashion, neil. california gives more money to the federal coffers than any other state. and just the university of california which is 10 campuses creates four times as many patents every year than all the private and public universities in any other state and i'm not counting stanford, cal tech or usc in that. so we do a lot of good things well out here, we do some bad things, but i'm delighted to see we have a vice-president, we've never had a democrat on a national ticket, much less successful one. she'll be in all the meetings and have the last word with the president. if we do something well, it could be adjusted to fit a national landscape, but at

least we'll be part of the dialog and effort to solve problems and i think where appropriate, they can look to california for leadership on environmental issues. we're doing great things for the community colleges, two years are free, about half of the transfers to university of california come from community colleges so you've reduced a four-year degree by 50%. so we're doing something-- we're doing a lot of things well, not everything, but a lot. neil: no doubt about that, governor, but i'm thinking of someone making california sort of a fiscal model. that's like putting me in charge of a fitness center. i'm probably not the best poster child, you're thin and fit yourself you would be a better one. but when it comes to fiscal austerity and preventing jobs leaving the state or leaving period, the high tack rate in your state and obviously it's not helping. so, i'm wondering now if the message is that to deal with the environment and the costs that go with it, maybe a carbon

tax, maybe a gas tax, and the next transportation secretary, barring any problems with that. but that's what we have to look forward to, a lot of americans are going to say, wait, wait, wait, right? >> well, first of all, president biden is running the administration. he was by far the most moderate candidate of the 22 that contested for the democratic primary, even remarkably consistent in his campaign approach. he wants to bring the country together. he's picked really first class people. i don't think there's any disputing that. and i think his sort of moderate, let's unite, let's find a way to work together approach will have a positive impact. will it convince everybody? no. like he said, just hear me out, if you don't agree, fine.

he's been in the office three days so he's off to a good beginning, let's just all pray for his success because whether it's donald trump or joe biden, if the president is successful, then the country is successful. neil: real quickly, governor, you recall arnold schwarzenegger came back in. there's a push now, i think better than a million signed on to an effort to get gavin newsom out of there. and what do you think and what's your intelligence on where this is going? >> i'm a big fan of the governor's. he had more crisis, none of which are making on his plate than any governor you can possible imagine. in the last poll a 58% approval rating and i don't think it will qualify and if it does, i don't think it will be successful. >> great catching up with you again. be well. >> i can't see you so i can't comment on your fitness, but the last time i saw you you

were looking okay. neil: i'm fit as they can, governor. i'm as fit as they come. i just lied to you on national tv. the former california governor gray davis. very nice to have him. in the meantime, something akin to what i was just saying here, the direction on the part of the democrats right now, to seize the moment. they have the run of the table, the white house, the house and the senate. you've heard about freezing student loan payments for a little while. along alexandria ocasio-cortez to say how about just canceling those outright altogether? the fallout after this.

>> all right. we talked a little about how the president of the united states might speak like a moderate, but a lot of people says he acts in executive orders like a die-hard liberal here. always interpreted in the eyes of the beholder, but one of the things that's galvanized a push for more spending and republicans are hardly in a position to judge anyone like that seeing the deficit and debt as the trump administration and the obama administration and that's continued unabated. what's interesting is the focus the democrats are giving on student loans and the like. the president wants to freeze payments on such loans, a moratorium, if you will, for at least 100 days and to work something out that could be

partial forgiveness or if senator alexandria ocasio-cortez has her way, total forgiveness. the impact of that, steve moore, and jenna. steve, the implications on that, the freeze on student loans repayments that could lead if some of the party had their way total loan forgiveness, what do you think? >> well, neil, this afternoon right after i'm done with this show, i'm going to pack up the car and driving my son back to college for the second semester, so, you know, we pay $60,000 a year. i've said many times on your show that the greatest financial swindle and scandal in america is how much our universities and colleges are charging our family. virtually every university's tuition should be slashed in half, it's not fair to middle class families, but it's also not fair, neil, to require people like my wife, who worked hard to pay off her student loan, now she has to work hard to pay off somebody else's loan

because they didn't repay it? loans should be repaid. if people can't repay the loans? you know who should pay it, the universities with these multi-billion dollar endowments not american taxpayers. neil: you know, jenna, one of the things that has come up is in a weird way, the more generous the government tries to be to help kids out, and their parents, the more universities seem to use that as an excuse to raise prices again. and that's occurred, by the way, after the republican and democratic administrations alike. do we really want to encourage that behavior? do you worry maybe with the best of intentions, democrats advocating that are doing just that? >> neil, thank you so much for that question and steve, i completely agree with you, which is a large contrast to my perspective on your previous comments around the keystone pipeline. and i have a five and three-year-old and i'm now starting to save for college, which is going to be triple what you're currently paying.

and to echo your sentiments, the current endowment of universities in the country is upwards of $600 billion. harvard has a $41 billion endowment. stanford has a $27 billion endowment. as we look to see how we can help 45 million americans by either freezing or completely canceling their student debt so they don't have to choose between housing eviction, baby formula, diapers, gas, jobs, and particularly when we're constantly providing air cover for so many of american billionaires, i would reiterate that we cannot look at this out of fear or look at this potential policy out of fear that it's going to backlash because universities are going to raise their prices. neil: well, that is what's going to happen, i think. but, and francis, having said that, it's interesting from jenna's perspective she has young kids now, i think that college will be a million dollars a year by the time those kids get to school.

good luck with that, jenna. but one thing i see the trend for the government to pick up the tab. as i said, deficit has been growing, debt has been growing, this might have been an anomaly year and the deficit was over three and a half trillion, but that used to be the entire debt of the united states not that long ago. even if you tax the rich at 100%, whether that's sustainable? obviously, if it's a concern for the markets, if it it's a concern for the money guys, they're not showing it, i get that, but i think this is a serious problem. these obligations that are coming forward, adding new ones, without coming up with a way to pay for them. your thoughts. >> no, i agree with you entirely. there's such a domino effect to all of these things. it has to be modeled and has to be considered. first of all, as you've said there's one and a half trillion in student loan debts. the endowment collectively couldn't pay for that, forget

what else they have to pay for. and do you put taxpayers on the hook? do you mandate forgiveness of loans? do you take them off of the books as a lending institution in mechanically what do you do? even if you do that, oh, well, lending institutions can write these loans off. not so fast, right? because the thing is, we just put-- we're trying to put 1.9 trillion of stimulus into circulation by the money supply and liquid, i'm sorry to get wonky is made up of private and public loans. if you take these loans off the book and suck that out of circulation and counter acts the stimulus that the federal reserve and yellin-- yellen is calling for. and which is why biden is entertaining the freeze instead of canceling. >> neil, there's a solution. neil: he's taking an approach

and maybe what we can do, each side. i have concerns. but steve, go ahead. >> there's a solution to this tuition crisis, i've mentioned it on your show in the past, i visited this college called college of the ozarks, it should be the model for all universities, you know what the tuition is at the college. ozarks, neil? >> i do not. >> zero. you know why? because the kids-- every kid on campus works 15 to 20 hours a week while they're in school, paying for their own tuition. gee, what a concept that a 19 or 20-year-old should actually work while they go to school. those kids value the education because they work to get it. that should be the model in every school and that way you wouldn't have to have 60, 70-- there are some schools that are over $70,000 a year for tuition, how can middle class families afford that, neil. neil: is it your sense that the

biden administration, with the borders and memorandas, notwithstanding, that he wants to work on this issue and means testing for student loans or a direction that shows that we've got to be a little bit less cavalier about this sort of thing? does he mean that so that he can work with republicans on an issue like this? republicans have been telling me on this show, we don't know. >> well, to frances' point, i think that his cautious steps into the direction of freezing student loan and then sitting down and i have no doubt that the quality of experts and intellect around the table to see how they can move chess pieces around, so that there isn't that domino effect that francis is referencing, i think this administration which i think is going to be a nice relief to americans and frankly to the world, that they'll see and hear from everyone, concerned strategies, look to the ozarks for inspiration if

needed. neil: all right. thank you very much, jenna, good luck with the kids. >> thanks. neil: and my plumber, by the way, has people and is in demand everywhere. just throwing it out there free advice. >> they're going to watch your show and then they won't need to go. neil: look at the plumbing thing, i'm telling you. look at that. we'll have more after this.

>> the gentle giant, hank aaron, of course, died yesterday. you probably are aware of that. but the incredible amount of research has come out on just what he went through as he eclipsed the home run record and the death threats against him. and the degree to which i had no idea. as north noteworthy and built

up protection when he did break that home run record. charles watson is looking at the incredible icon hank aaron and the city he made famous, atlanta, georgia. charles. >> hey, good morning, neil. baseball legend hank aaron meant a lot of things to a lot of people on and off the field, but as you listened to people who knew this man and describe him, one word, i think, sticks out. he was a humble man who came from humble beginnings. henry lewis aaron, he was from alabama and transformed into superstardom after the then milwaukee braves called him up at the young age of 19. and he was one of the first african-americans to break the color barrier and he quietly put together multiple 40 home

run seasons appropriately earning his nickname, the hammer. and after the braves moved to atlanta in 1974, he hit his 715 home run at fulton county stadium breaking babe ruth's all time record for the most career home runs and he went on to hit 755 throughout his career and that record stood for 33 years until barry bonds broke it in 2007. and though it came at a cost in the '70s as aaron received thousands of racist and hateful letters. take a listen to aaron as he looked back on his career. >> i think about my mother many, many years ago when she told me, she said, son, she said if you chase your dream long enough you'll find out that you can fulfill it. >> and the atlanta braves organization releasing this statement saying, quote, we're absolutely devastated by the

passing of our beloved hank. he was a beacon for the organization first as a player and then player development and all of our community and incredible talent and resolve helped him achieve the highest accomplishment and yet, he never lost his humble nature. back out here, you can see folks out here at the mark where that 715th record-breaking home run landed. we've seen folks out here all morning long to pay their respects. obviously, hank aaron was a legend in baseball, but what he was able to accomplish in atlanta will never be forgotten, neil. neil: that's an excellent report. thank you, my friend, very, very much. i'm always reminded of hank aaron and his musing on breaking babe ruth's record and he said i never wanted them to forget babe ruth, i just wanted them to remember henry aaron.

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something wonderful awaits. >> general lloyd austin is oon his way to making history. the first african-american defense secretary. he will start that job like pronto like immediately. lieutenant general self-joining us, so good to have you. if you had to sort of sit down with the general and now the secretary about what his most pressing issue is right now internationally, what would it be? where would it be? >> well, neil, it's an appropriate question. i would tell you that the defense challenges facing general austin and the nation rit large are not new in the following order, china, russia, iran, north korea in terrorism. the fact of the matter is, these are all growing threats

in terms of capability. so, a couple of points for the ew defense secretary to consider. first, budget pressures to deal with these are pronounced, that's very evident, but our defense leaders are going to have to be transparent what they actually need and what they can afford. it's okay to have a gap. that's the only way to measure risk, but they shouldn't pretend that the problems don't exist. second, general austin's going to have to expect that adversaries out there are going to test president biden and strength is the answer to prevent further aggression. a couple of examples of what's been done recently, flights of b-52's in the middle east are a perfect example of how to demonstrate resolve. and third, i think it's important to recognize that despite president trump's rhetoric-- former president trump's rhetoric, the armed forces are far from healthy. the air force remains the smallest and oldest in its

history. the youngest b-52 is 58 years old. the new space force is underfunded, undermanned and without the authorities to consolidate any of the 60 other agencies out there with a hand in space. so, investments are going to have to center on the main threat. china, russia, iran and so on and so forth and that's going to require both capacity and capability. neil: very quickly, general, i apologize for the limited time. but i can't see the administration pouring a lot more money into the military. then what? >> well, then we're going to have to change the way that we evaluate our forces. we're going to have to move away from these very simplistic means of evaluation of just simply unit costs to something called cost per effect, and look at what it is going to take to accomplish the objectives and then come back and take a look at, okay, what's the most effective way to do that. in other words, we need to put

effectiveness back into the cost effectiveness owe occasion, briefly-- >> that's a concept. general, thank you very much, sir. look forward to more time next week. general david deptula. fox continues now. once we get there, we will need... buttercup! ♪

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>> outrage this hour over the treatment of the 25,000 national guards troops that came to washington to protect congress and the inauguration and now face numerous cases of covid. one guard blames being quote, packed together like sar dines in the capitol building and a parking garage nearby. i'm griff jenkins. >> i'm alicia acuna in denver. at least 100 troops have tested positive for covid-19 while on duty in the nation's capital. this has we learned troops