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this is big. there's been a lot of talk recently about women's empowerment. you've heard it before. but it takes a real leader, a once in a generation moral visionary to go further than that, to use federal power to humiliate and endanger women on behalf of biological men. that is feminism at the next level. that is real empowerment. that's the joe biden program. he's been planning itle for yea. this was biden last february. >> we all know the enemy and promise of this country that all men are created equal has never been fulfilled. tucker: equal. by equal joe biden means identical. there are no differences between men and women. they are precisely the same. that's his position. those gender categories we've heard about since the dawn of recorded history are fake. trump made them up. so there's no reason to protect women from men under any circumstances because the whole idea of men and women isn't real. not everyone believes this, of course. science isn't always popular.
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the peasants don't understand it. there's still troglodytes out there. in the year 2021. they're trying to keep men out of women's sports, if you can even imagine if. donald trump is gone, but that doesn't mean hate has taken a holiday. joe biden doesn't care that pretty much no one in america agrees with him or even understands what he's talking about. when joe biden watches girls' gymnastics, as he streakily does, and -- frequently does, and doesn't see a single biological man swinging from the uneven bars, he doesn't just sit back and accept the status quo, he acts with force and certainty. now, activism like that may seem modern, but it's not new for joe biden. for 60 years he has been fighting transphobia, longer than many of us have been alive. way back in the summer of 1962, decades before-fashionable, joe biden confronted a vicious transphobe called corn pop. >> corn pop was a bad dude, and he ran a bunch of bad boys. he cut off a 6-foot length of
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chain, he pulled up and said you walk out with that chain, and you walk to the car and say you may cut me, man, but i'm going to wrap this chain around your held. tucker: corn pop was a bad dude. i'll say. corn pop was a bigot. her: wanted to keep men out of e women's changing room at a public pool in wilmington. but joe biden wouldn't have it. he threatened to beat corn pop withe a 6-foot chain. and that was just the beginning. decades later, joe biden flew all the wayay to south africa to free nelson mandela from prison. >> i had the great honor being arrested trying to get to see him on the island. i got arrested down in south africa. with nelson mandela. i came back from south africa trying to see nelson mandela and getting arrested for trying to see hum on robin's island. he was in prison. tucker: we saw that, but few of
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us understood the significance of it at the time of we'll admit it now, most of us assumed biden was risking his life to fight the racist policies of the south african government. what weac didn't know was that e biden was actually fighting a more insidious foe, gender apartheid. robin island was segregated by sex, if you can imagine. but the fight isn't over yet. joe biden's holy war of liberation continues. even know in this supposedly liberated time, groups of women still saunter to the ladies' room together in restaurants across america with not a single man joining them in the stall. that happens, believe it or not. it happens right now. right now, as we speak tonight, there are still sexually segregated public showers in this nation. not to mention dressing rooms and retail stores that men aren't allowed to enter. and what about your house? howw many boys slept over at yor seventh grade daughter's most recent slumber party? we need to start asking ourselves questions like these. it's timeti to look within,
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america, until we can all agree that 8-year-old boys can be strong, independent, sassy women we're all part of the problem. joe biden understands that. >> the idea that an 8-year-old child or a 10-year-old child decides, you know, i decided i want to be transgender, that's what i think i'll like to be, it'd make my life a lot easier, there should be zero discrimination. tucker: biden has a solution. 60 years ago he fought corn pop withmi a chain to protect the right of biological men to be present when girls change into their bathing students, and he'll bring that same moral clarity to your daughter's lacrosse team. in time you won't hear people claiming to be the first female this or first female that because with, honestly, in a truly liberated society, who can say what's female? why shouldn't mike pence announce that, actually, he was the first woman to serve as vice president? who could call him wrong? not us. we don't do hate speech here.
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a member of the women's human rights campaign joins us. thanks so much for coming on. this is not the first time you've come on our show. wewe have extremely different politics, but c you're one of te very few people, in my view, who has thought through the indications of this. sounds like liberation, because people think it sounds like it's helping. what are the implications? >> so i just, first of all, want to thank you for having me on the show again, and also i want to say this executive order is horrendous in that it makes a mockery of the right to privacy and safety of women and girls. it's absolutely horrible. i know that you want to talk specifically about sports, and that's great -- tucker: i don't, i don't. i want the big picture. i want to know what this means, and i'm sorry if we reduced it just to sports, because you're absolutely right, it's bigger than that. i'm just going to let you go, and you tell us what this means for the country. >> great, thank you. by way of doing that i'd like to say that the women's human rights campaign is a global group of women who are advancing
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the declaration on women's sex-based rights before governments across the world including at the international level are. this is a document that, if enacted into law, would specifically and explicitly enshrine women's sex-based rights in lieu of gender identity, and we should say we are nonpartisan, and the reason that we are nonpartisan is that we understand that enshrining so-called gender identity into law impacts all women and girls regardless of race, regardless of religion, national orient -- origin or party affiliation. so we are very much a nonpartisan organization, and we are absolutely dedicated to the enshrinement of women's sex-based rights. and anyone can read this document. i'm saying this because the women's declaration on women's sex-based rights explains in far greater detail than we could do tonight exactly why enshrining so-called gender identity into law hurts women and girls. and anyone can find it at women's declaration.com. tucker: so it does seem like a
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major change not just in our law, but in our civilization to say that biological sex isn't real and that is the implication of this. what does that mean? it means something for all of us, but what does it mean for women and girls practically speaking? >> so globally for thousands of years and in this country for hundreds of years women and girls have been discriminated against and excluded from civil society, all aspects of it specifically on the basis of sex. all of the men making all of the laws for all of that time knew exactly what the word sex meant,they deliberately kept us out because we are women and girls. and now with the redefinition of sex to include gender identity, we are supposed to pretend that none of that exists. and i should also mention the women's declaration has been signed by 13,000 people all over the world including 1600 in the united states. women are standing up. we are not having0 it. and what the executive order
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that president biden signed on wednesday does is order federal agencies to take a look at their own policies and practices and see where sex is defined and to, essentially, retwine the word sex to -- redefine the word sex to include gender identity. this will have the impact of blitz rating women and -- obliterating women and girls' sex-based rights at the federal level. tucker: you describe yourself andd have on this show as a radical feminist, sincere feminist on the left. you've said this before in the public, you've been saying it -- you'reli one of the very few -- you have been really attacked. i don't think i'm oversate thing it, i think -- overstate thing it. why aren't more people on your side, traditional feminists, saying what you're saying right now? a couple things going on. s that is absolutely true. several of us held an event last year at a public library, and as we left the event, hundreds of people ran after us screaming and threatening us. and this happens to women and also men, but mostly women who
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stand up against this gender identity movement. i also just do want to say regarding the executive order, it does aan lot of things, but looking just at the title of the executive order, it combines sexual orientation and gender identity. and i just want to make it very clear that these two things are very different -- tucker: exactly. >> the lesbians and gay men who i know do not want anything to do with this movement. sex is grounded in material reality, and thatde matters a great deal to people whose sexual orientation matters, which is all of us. the lesbians and gay men that i know want nothing to do with this, and i think it's important that people understand we need to stop saying lgbt, we need to stop saying sexual orientation identity. tucker: one of my producers is agreeing with you in my ear. [laughter] i hear that all the>>ea time. i think one of the reasons people are afraid to speak up against this is they don't want to be seen as anti-gay or
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intolerant, but, i mean, this is a political decision to include a lot of people who don't necessarily have anything in common under one heading so no one will complain about it. that's my reasoning. >> i think that's right. and i also want to say, you know, where did this come from and where is -- why is this happening? rank misogyny coming from the left. two, there is a tremendous amount of money behind this movement, and if your viewers are interested in learning more, please visit the 11th hour blog. it goes into extraordinary depth to explain where the money is coming from and why this movement is so well funded. and third, we know that this movement has accomplished all that it has been able to accomplish leading and up to and including this executive order. it has been documented that this was a deliberate strategy to go behind the people's backs, behind the media's backs, behind journalists' backs and infect every institution in society. tucker: and the question is why.
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i really hope that you will come back. i think thiss matters. people write it off and say, who cares, bathrooms, whatever. no, this is foundational. you obviously understand, you're brave enough to say it out loud. thanks. >> thanks for having me. tucker: sex differences are not just something we made up at one point, they are the building blocks of human civilization but also the source of so much delight and mystery and beauty. destroy those and we lose a lot, maybe everything. well, exclusive reporting tonight. in joe biden's first day in office, the department of homeland security issued a sweeping directive calling for a hundred-day pause on deportations. we now have an internal e-mail sent yesterday to i.c.e. officers in texas that shows how this order was enacted, and we're quoting: as of midnight, stop all removals. this includes mexican bus runs, charter flights and commercial removals until further notice. all cases are to be considered no significantal likelihood of
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removal in foreseeable future. in other words, stop sending people here illegally back to the country of origin. the emphasis on, and we're quoting, release them all immediately. no sponsor available is not acceptable any longer. the official notes in the e-mail he is, quote, the messenger. it wasn't his idea, it was joe biden's. this e-mail was news to us, friday's w memorandum to halt deportations did not call for people to be released from detention. we made some calls today,, and we learned that homeland security is currently hammering out how to enact the memorandum. it does not specifically call for the instant release of all migrants in detention, so what was this memo about? this is the result of the complete chaos that resulted when the incoming administration on its first day changed a policy this big without explaining what it means. chaos. we thought the last
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administration had a monopoly on that. apparently not. well, people in television say the real reason you don't like them isn they're way better than you are, and you resent that. we're going to assess that assessment straight ahead. ♪ ♪ look at that assessment.
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♪ ♪ >> tucker: just got this from the greatest headline written so far in 2021. listen to this, amazon the company is seeking to postpone a unionization boat at a warehouse in alabama and is asking federal labor authorities to reconsider a decision to allow mail-in voting. so amazon and its owner and jeff bezos, one of the richest men in the world and the founder of such chaos.
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and if there's one thing that people on tv know for certain it's that they are better than you are, obviously. that's the subtext of everything. over to msnbc on wednesday, they stop pretending. one anchor there and a part-time blogger explained why she so much better than you. listen. >> the thing the right hates the most about democrats is that democrats have the culture. democrats have the culture, they have the hollywood culture. they have the glamorous culture in the right hates that. they feel the culture is to woke, it's too multicultural come it's not john wayne anymore and it's all of this multiculturalism and wokeness and liberalism and they hate it but they also envy it. >> tucker: i'm glad the racist lady on msnbc can take a moment and tell us what the right really thinks.
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but is that true? is it true that normal people in this country, not just on the right but that don't agree with msnbc look at popular culture and say, that's so impressive. if only i were impressive enough to create that. is that the root of their anger? we don't know the answer so i got in touch with the man who joins the culture. adam kroll, great to see you. i'm just thinking to myself, i'm mad that i'm not clever enough to write something like that. that's the modern story of the kardashians. >> it's all production. projection. always call trump a narcissist but who's the real narcissist here? who is the ones who are chasing the celebrity and worried more about how they look in the
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public square? who is the real narcissist in this equation. we always think of the narcissist whose big and puffed up and talking about himself, but i realize that i think joy reid is a much bigger narcissist than donald trump. >> tucker: why do you say that? i suspect you're right and i think it's fair to say that trump probably falls in the spectrum of narcissism but i think that woman is probably even a bigger one. but why do you say that? >> you know because i think that they look at the entire world like high school. if you really think about the left and you think about the mind-set of the left, they are perpetually in high school, they never leave high school and it's one big popularity contest. joe biden is the oldest
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honghomecoming king or queen in history and it's one big extended high school. it's like they never leave high school and it's one huge popularity contest. >> tucker: and so it does seem to me a little bit like you are saying the people in charge of our culture are emotionally stunted and weird soap may lot of what they produce projects from that, like their own neuroses get projected forth onto the rest of us who maybe aren't so neurotic and self-involved. >> it's exactly that. i don't think they've ever left that mentality and that's what perpetuates it. so if you get outside of that and you start talking about lowering taxes or lowering regulation and then you get kicked out of the cool guys club, you get called a racist or homophobic or xenophobic and you got thrown out of the cool clique so you can't have lunch with the cool kids anymore. everyone in hollywood is so perpetually worried about being
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thrown out of the little lunch circle that they have to keep beating that drum. if you wonder, like why are all these people saying the same thing even though it doesn't make sense over and over again, it's a perpetual fear of being thrown out of the click. >> tucker: really quick, you've been in hollywood your whole life, you're from there. do you think that part of the anxiety that we are seeing from the taste makers is them slowly recognizing they don't make that an losing control? that might be why they are angry. >> the celebrity endorsement used to mean something, now that the celebrity endorsement doesn't mean anything and as their power lessons and lessons over the years i think they compensate any sort of puddle that bike even harder. what you are seeing right now is them on a palatine just trying to get up to 10,000 rpms.
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>> tucker: getting yelled at by some woman in spandex, paddle harder! i love to see that. thank you so much. the new administration has already enacted a bunch of pretty significant policies but none of them are popular. putting biological men on women's sports teams? who is for that? but when you have tens of thousands of federal troops in washington, d.c., then you can do what you want. is that why they are there? it's like asking, why are they there? that's straight ahead.
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>> tucker: it you may have heard if you don't live off the grid that there's something called the insurrection of the u.s. capitol on january 6th. an armed revolt without arms. but today in the senate chuck schumer accused donald trump of setting a different kind of uprising. rick leventhal has that breaking news for us tonight.
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>> i see what you did there tucker. charles ellis schumer has been serving in congress for four years and he's made lots of speeches and most of them are long forgotten. this one may live forever. the senior senator from new york is a longtime critic of former president trump leading the charge for his impeachment trial scheduled to begin monday. schumer says it will be a full trial and it will be a fair trial and he said this. >> senators will have to decide if they believe donald john trump incited the insurrection against the united states. >> so which one is that, is it both? we don't know but it's trending on twitter and he said i am ready to declare the inside of the, the funniest in history. the statue will only be from the
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waist up to be safe. for the record tucker i also cover wars and natural disasters. thank god it's friday. >> tucker: you were the perfect man for that story. thank you so much. great to see you. well, the insurrection on january 6 was so scary with the chewbacca guy with the viking horns and all that, our government was 26,000 federal troops into the nation's capital. as of today long after the fact there are still many thousands of national guard troops left in the city and we heard hours ago they plan to stay at least through mid-march. it sounds like an occupation. of what and for what purpose, you have a right to ask that question. matt walsh is a host of the met wall show and he's the one that just wrote that tweet which we were thankful for. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on.
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there has been a lot of news stories today and a lot of conservatives have been outraged if at national guard is sleeping on the ground in parking garages and obviously my heart goes out to them. but it kind of obscures the larger question which was, why are they there? why do we have thousands and thousands of soldiers in our capital city tonight, do you think? >> that's exactly the point. when you look at the fact that we got them in parking garages and they are not being taken care of, it does kind of shed some light on why our adventures overseas for the military go awry so often? these in washington can't even take care of the troops and they are literally in their own backyard but what will they do if they are in the backyard of some guy in syria? that might be why it goes. another question of choruses why are they there? we were told that the reason they were there is there is a great threat of right wing riots, they're supposed to be riots in state capitals for the
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week leading up to the inauguration but nothing happened. we were never really given any evidence by anyone that there was ever any real threat of this happening. we were supposed to just take their word for it. so i left to assume that the reason they are there is to send a message, to send a message to the real enemies of the biden administration which are not anyone overseas but they are ideological enemies. sending a message to us which is basically don't mess with us. i think that's the message. >> tucker: it's hard to believe this is happening and i don't want to stoke paranoia. i think the presence itself stoke paranoia, i think they are creating extremism by their behavior. i think it's obvious, i think they know that and i think they wanted. but i wonder why no one is asking this question? i lived in washington for 35 years and i don't remember thousands of federal troops there under any circumstances. so why is no one asking?
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>> it's especially ironic. especially if it's a double standard and people not asking. people are looking the other way right now or outright defending the military occupation of the nation's capital are the same ones who lost their mind over the summer if there was any police response to months of rioting from blm. even if just the local police showed up and anything beyond that, we were told that that is militarization, that's tyranny and despotism and yet, the occupation of the nation's capital and we are supposed to just -- just go with it i guess. >> tucker: because we are not at war with their own people. the government is not at war with their own people and if they start to be then we have a huge problem. and don't the governor's control national guard? why are they playing along with this insanity? >> the other problem is we need
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the media, they are supposed to be the ones putting out the fires of tyranny and asking the questions. we know that's not what they really do but we need them, they are the ones in the white house every day, with the press briefings. we need them to be asking questions like why do we have all these trips outside? what's going on and why are we occupying d.c.? instead they are asking about the color scheme of air force one, those are the questions we are asking. it's tough because we can sit here and ask these questions but the white house doesn't care what we say. we need the people in the media to ask and they don't care either. >> tucker: get your troops off my street. this is not managua, you don't on this country. i appreciate you coming on today. there has been a major escalation in the ongoing war on free speech online. we are following that story. unfortunately i will tell you more about it in a minute. and if there are new signs that there are other intelligent beings in the universe.
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by the way, that's not a speculation from some nutcase online, that's according to an astrophysicist at harvard. everything we know about a very specific event that suggests we really aren't alone. that's straight ahead. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> tucker: evidence mounts on the question that there is intelligent life outside of this planet is not just for crazy people online. an artificial object may have been sent to earth in 2017 from outside of our solar system intentionally. that professor writes about it in a new book called it "extraterrestrial, the need for a sign of life outside of
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earth." professor, thank you so much for coming on. this probably requires a three hour long conversation but in a few minutes if you wouldn't mind summing up what you believe we saw in 2017. >> thanks for having me. in october 2017 we discovered the very first object that visited the vicinity of the earth from outside of the solar system. and at first astronomers thought, it's just a rock. similar to other comets and asteroids that we have seen from within the solar system. but as time went on it looks very weird. i didn't have a cometary tail and no gas is surrounded, yet it exhibited an extra push away from the sun. at the geometry that it had was extreme. when projected on the sky it was at least ten times longer than it was wide. and it was tumbling and moreover it didn't show any evidence for
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a evaporation and so the question arose as to what is creating this extra push that it is it's a exhibited? one possibility is that reflected sunlight and that gave the extra push. for that it needed to be very thin. it sort of a sale on a boat, except the sale is being pushed by wind where this is being pushed by light. we are currently developing this for a space exploration it's called the light sail. it could have been out then light sail manufactured by another organization. there was another object a few months ago in september 2020 on that one was extrapolated back in time and people found that indeed it was a rocket booster that was launched from the earth that we produced. it also exhibited an extra push
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by reflecting sunlight because it was hollow, without a cometary tail. we can certainly tell the difference between a natural rock and a hollow object, a thin object pushed by reflecting sunlight. except in the case of this object, we know we produced it in the case so we don't know who produced it. >> tucker: what an amazing -- and it's from outside our solar system. very quickly, i wish we had more time professor but what happened to it, where did it go? >> it was deflected by the sun and went in a different direction. in fact it was sort of parked in the public parking lot in our vicinity at rest and the sun ran into it just like a giant ship running into a buoy. it just kicked it. and the question is, are there many more out there and if so what is their purpose?
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they gladly within a few years, we will have a much more sensitive telescope serving the sky and we are likely to find many more of those objects. a photograph is worth a thousand words. so when one of these objects come towards us we can see what it looks like and tell whether it looks like a rock or something very different. >> tucker: it seems worth doing. i'm not volunteering but i think we should do that. thank you, we will read that book. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: cara maloney is a democrat from new york, not just any democrat for the top democrat on the oversight committee. and it's a robust examination of the social media site parler which was pulled off the internet. she wants to know what role
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parler played in the january 6th insurrection in washington. rest assured, and it will be thoroughly investigated. i won't ever see a domestic terrorism led by at the president of the united states in an attack against our nation. i think the impeachment, he deserved it. he led it and he planted, instigated it for months. he spoke about organizing around the country and in the state capitals. >> tucker: when demagogues like that use government power to crack down on media, we should be very worried. rachel brevard is the senior internet advisor and she's well-versed in the the issue.
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what cara maloney seems to be saying is for political reasons she wants the fbi to hassle, arrest, who knows, media outlets that she doesn't like. am i missing something? >> let's be clear. carolyn maloney doesn't care about what she's actually telling you about and if she dated, she'd be much more worried about the bigger platforms then parler who organize some of these protests or she might be interested in some of the actual people who committed a violent act. but no she wants an fbi investigation into parler, not just parler but john nancy, the founder and his wife for the sin of ideological wrong think. john massey did what you are not supposed to do in this country, and he an actual successful mainstream alternative to the big tech platforms.
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and he should never be allowed to make money in this country again and if anyone cares about liberty, this should be of great concern. >> tucker: that's unless i miss missed it appears to be weighing in on parler's defense. >> every politician in every institution on the right for years has told conservatives who are unhappy with the major tech platforms, just build your own. john massey did it and where do you think any of these people have been in his defense from an absolutely political collusive corporate attack, to rip the guts of capitalism, they are mute and silent. that entrenched market incumbents, and no one ever
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listens to these people again. >> tucker: so you are telling me the family spent millions on libertarianism but it was really about lowering the wages of their employees. >> they are nowhere to be found. we will hide behind the couch and not come out to defend them. >> great to see you, we hope you come back. you might notice all of a sudden, coronavirus not getting the coverage it did in the coverage isn't as bleak as it was. dr. marc siegel is here to tell us why it's happening, next. ♪ ♪
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>> tucker: you might have noticed this, the many epidemiologists are suddenly much more optimistic about the coronavirus. generate 19, npr published a piece of this headline.
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as death rates accelerate the u.s. records 400,000 lives lost. they shifted to national public radio and went with this. "current ws coronavirus search has peaked. now if we were the cynical type, and were not, you would know -- meanwhile officials in the state of michigan announced that indoor dining bands will be lifted soon even though daily deaths in michigan are higher than they were. and that's pretty nice of him. where is all the good news coming from? dr. siegel joins us to explain. >> the narrative is changing. it's no longer you dug too deep of a hole, now it's, you dug too deep of a whole but we are writing to the rescue. so amazon says now we are going to offer his services help with
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logistics and now they will say if they offered the same thing but i spoke to a high-level official from the former hhs, health and human services tonight who said he was in every single vaccine meeting on the name didn't even come up. i don't know what the truth is there but there's no evidence of that. more to the point, it has also come out this week that there was supposedly vaccine distribution plan under the prior administration. i've been reporting for months under that distribution plan but it involved fedex and ups on the huge distribution country known as mckesson, cvs and walmart. at the heart of it was four-star general gus perna. the problem hasn't been distribution, 38 million doses have been distributed already but the problem has been at the state level, getting it into people's arms. it looked like that was not only a plan but a successful plan.
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meanwhile, the new administration instead of looking backward, i think they should look forward and they should say, what tools have we been given? it took record time to develop, ten months. the fastest time in human history and to incredibly useful. on a tunnel out of my mic antibodies early on have been given to them. and that's someone who could have covid or not. get them working on a blood test to see if you are actually immune or not because i think 50 or 60 or even more in this country are immune to covid a bit and they don't know it. they don't need to be at the front of the line for vaccination. let's focus on them tucker. >> it is such an interesting point and you think the number could be that big for people
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that are immune to it? >> i think it could be larger than that. 25 million are documented cases. how many people felt fatigued or weak and never got test data? i find it out on antibody tests, way more than ever being diagnosed. i think 60 million is a conservative number, and those people are immune and slowing down covid. >> tucker: that's amazing. i don't like we talked enough about that but i'm glad you brought it up. dr. siegel, thank you very much, all the good work you've done on that reporting. we are out of time not simply for tonight, before the week. that went fast. we will be brock and mike on monday, so that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. try to figure out your dvr if you can, not that we can. at the end of this we hope you get a chance to tune out and
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spend time with the ones you love. restoring the most important thing you have. we will see you monday. >> executive orders he began signing on his first day in office. and former trump makes a first comments since leaving office. good evening i'm jon scott and this is the "fox report." >> president biden spengdz some of his first three days in office dismantling many of trump policies signing 30 executive action this is week many focused on trying to control the coronavirus pandemic and expand vaccine supply. we have team coverage alex hogan on comment from former president trump and lucas tomlinson in washington on a covid outbreak among those

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