howie: this is media buzz, i'm howard cuts. it was the day that joe biden became president trump and donald trump who skipped inauguration offered farewell remarks. >> you will see incredible things happening. remember us when you see these things happening. so just a good-bye. we love you. we will be back in some form. howie: the new president's speech delivered at the capitol was built after riot to stop

shouting and lower the temperature. >> policy doesn't have to be raging fire destroying everything in its path. we must end this civil war that pins red against blue. rural versus urban, conservative versus liberal. howie: plenty of media praise including on fox news. >> it was a hard-felt appeal for uniontism i thought it was well delivered. chris: i thought it was the best inaugural address i've ever heard. >> that sincerity matched the times and the moment. >> i heard a declaration of war against white supremacy and against our lies that brought our democracy to the brink. howie: but there are also critical voices on the right and on the left. >> let's be honest. the rest of the media mob, they

were flat-out lying to the american people as per usual. this was not in any way, shape or form a memorable speech. it would not be talked about decades to come. >> ultimately, i've never been really convinced by joe biden's call for unity. i don't think you can really have unity with the current version of the republican party. >> the problem with trying to unify at this moment, is that those fundamental ideals are -- are being called systemically racist, illegitimate, founded on lies, under attack on our -- >> howie: perhaps signaling warmer relations, biden interrupted walk on avenue to run into nbc correspondents. >> how are you, sir? good to see you. how does it feel, mr. president?

howie: joining us to analyze coverage ben dominic and ray suárez. ben, you didn't like speech, why don't most of the media see it that way? >> well, i think that they're trying to put a very kind spin on speech. but, you know, at the right of the conclusion of the speech i got a text from member of congress who sent me along a clip from the old show the liar where one of the characters is complaining about the city that he's in where everybody stays

friends, everybody gets paid and everybody has got a future. that's the way that he said that he felt about that speech. that it was kind of its reassertion of everybody on the diais and everybody ran against as being controlling force in washington. that maybe unified in terms of the people in the dais but will not join the country. howie: and how much of that is pretty typical for an incoming president getting a bit of a honeymoon? jedediah: some of the coverage of the start of the trump administration was terrible. i mean, people had already decided that he was illegitimate and they had issues with things

he hadn't yet done. what you're seeing is what to be expected. many people in media feel like joe biden will usher in a new era of change. when it comes to the speech, howie, it was a good speech, it hit on important points but judge a man by his actions, not by his speech, speeches don't change things and what you saw soon after the speech, joe biden, president biden, ushering orders that lean far left. the reality is the country isn't only divided of election results, we can talk about that separately. they are divided in how to address to many things, the pandemic, shutdowns. these are big issues. business owners are confused as to what is going on like lack of transparency in california. howie: speeches just set a tone.

president biden is making plenty of headlines on signing rejoining the paris, food stamps, putting forth legislation. what about the conservative media critique that this is all a liberal agenda and talk about cooperative republicans is empty talk. >> well, some of it is liberal agenda and the weird part to watch as opinion journalists seem to want joe biden to run the country as -- >> howie: okay, i guess we have a problem with reyes audio. let me turn to ben here. president biden gave a speech about covid and all the things that he wants to do and a reporter, ap zeek miller, isn't

the goal of 100 million shots in 100 days setting the goal low? >> come on, big give a break. howie: does that suggest, ben, for all of the talk about biden having warmer relationship with the press he will continue at times to snap with reporters? ben: well, i think that's something that he has done recently in his career many times. i don't think that's going to change. i want to point out that what he's saying there isn't true. there was not a ton of skepticism about this in part because as we've seen despite these early stumbles, we are now at a rate where that should be completely possible in terms of the level of vaccination. in fact, there's been some critiques that number like ze inch k's question was

suggesting, a larger goal in this. i think the relationship with the press certainly in the early days is going to be glowing but there's a natural incentive to bring up critiques but i wonder who is going to make the decision to go in the vain first. i don't think you're going to see people shouting at him the same way than what we saw from jim acosta and the like. howie: some question the 100 million goal, hey, we beat expectation. ray, let me finish a point before you had audio issue about the way biden is expected the govern. let me ask this, many pundits describing president biden as being boring and they mean it as a complement as if the media are saying a return to normalcy will be in and of itself a great accomplishment. ray: the months that stretched out after november third were the most unusual post election

period of any presidency in the modern era. and we are going to be assessing what it means and what it meant for the country for a long time to come. we had two, three and eventually 4,000 americans dies of covid-19 and president that would complain that people would only say covid, covid. that's just how reporting works. it's not necessarily how history works. that's how reporting works. howie: briefly finish your point about biden pursuing liberal agenda and how that's being covered? ray: well, don't expect the -- the republicans to be happy that after the democrats won the white house, the house and the senate, that they're going to not run the country like republicans. that's what happens. george w bush came in second

place in popular vote in 2000 and ran the country like he got 85%. that's what happens. some of this -- sad faces from republican office holders is disingenuous. howie: well, elections have consequences as we all know. jedediah i want to play for. this was a message aimed at the media, roll it. >> we just reject culture in which facts themes are manipulated and even manufactured. there is truth and there are lies. lies told for power and for profit. howie: that seemed like a shock at the conservative media and biden will face a polarized business, right? jedediah: he is. he's not getting used to getting tough questions.

you brought up a point on how he reacts to media, he's not used to it. that was a fair question when it came to covid. ben put good inaccuracies, yes, be boring they consider a complement and that his twitter will not be lit up in the same way as president trump. his personality may not be center stage and policy will be center stage, that part is a good thing. you have a country that is still locked down and you have a lot of people asking questions. questions will come up maybe less aggressive in terms of how they ask questions. he didn't take a lot of challenging questions. he's now the president of the united states, he should be prepared to have those answers and not be offended when someone

has the audacity to answer those questions and he needs to answer. howie: ben, a minute left, impeachment trial to start february 8th, the press is faulting mitch mcconnell for delaying tactic, but how would that be affected by the new york sometimes story over the weekend saying that donald trump as president schemed with the justice department official to oust the attorney general official jeffrey rosen and challenge the georgia election results but backed off when told that justice department officials would resign on mess. web ben well, i think that there's going to be a push on part of some republicans to move forward with impeachment. there's a school of thought within mcconnell world that officially, you know, donald trump is dead and they would like to put mitch's finger on the murder weapon, in an attempt

to bring back corporate dollars and endorsers and donors who have foot the party. it's not an idea logical dispute as much as strategic one. you have a wide spectrum from tim scott and tom cotton and lindsey graham and marco rubio and others who really are questioning the strategy and approach and i think that is the real kind of republican civil war dispute about how they move on from this moment as opposed to an idea logical one at this juncture. howie: our talk show giant larry king. but when we come back many pundits couldn't resist a last kick in the pants as the former president left washington.

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howie: as the media were gearing up for biden inauguration, many members couldn't resist kicking the president out the door. >> ended time at the white house, defiant, avoiding responsibility for creating chaos. >> he looks small, he looks like a small man and that is exactly the way that he has handled his presidency since he lost. >> he's almost leaving town like an autocrat ousted from power heading off to exile. howie: the liberals won, joe biden is president and donald trump was heading to mar-a-lago, skipping inauguration, why those insults? ben: i mean, come on, this is

ridiculous autocrat. i think that this is just, you know, the media trying to get one last shot at him. i think they are going to miss him. they've made more money. they got book deals out of this. so many fig user have made their bread out of going after donald trump and getting profiled as if they're doing something amazing and courageous for getting nasty tweets from people who dislike what they're doing or dislike coverage. i think this is a situation where a lot of the folks are going to have to adapt to a new reality and i'm curious to see what that looks like. are they still going to try to make donald trump fearsome gorilla because that's what they've been doing for the last 4 years.

howie: but did some of those comments come off like visceral dislike? jedediah: yeah, i think that's fair. some of his behavior since election day was just bad and didn't help him and didn't help his legacy. a lot of things that the trump administration that were good that wound up helping people and you want that to be what people remember. unfortunately that's not the case given how it played out, however, i do think the media made a decision on donald trump on day one before he did anything. i think they didn't like him, they decided that they were going to fight with whatever he did. the thing is donald trump is not president anymore. now you have to figure out what your job is. you can't look at his twitter feed and make a whole shot about that, you will have to talk about biden and the thing he is doing right and he's doing better than president trump

because, let's talk about what is happening right now and what should be happening right now and let's try to have at least a fair and honest conversation, i know that's asking a lot but that's what i'm here today. howie: ray suárez, the contrast between small man, autocrat and coverage of incoming president biden? >> well, we only have one president at a time. donald trump was still president when they were saying those words as he walked up the steps to the plane to take off. he was the first president not to attend the inauguration of his successor since andrew johnson in 1869. so it's not something that happens all of the time. it is worth mentioning that was a little hyperbolic. i wouldn't have said it that way and i didn't. howie: okay, katie curric getting flak for saying this, people who still have been

pushing the idea that the election was stolen from donald trump, take a look. >> bought into this big lie and how are we going to program these people who have signed up for the cult of trump. howie: all right, i've got time for a sentence or so from each of you. katie kirk is a podcaster, she's entitled to her opinion, was that an unfair slap at lots and lots of supporters, ben first. ben: i do think it's unfair to go down this whole route that the idea of something like that for the republican party is not one that i think is going to contribute to the culture of unity and i think if i was katie curric i would view the situation, you can't dissolve the people and elect another. let's just leave it at that. jedediah: it makes trump supporters sound like robots or

idiots, they're not, they're neither. a large portion of the country does feel that the election was rigged and stolen and they feel that way not because they are stupid because they trusted donald trump, they liked what he did and on that issue he was wrong, he was not telling the truth. so what you do about a lot of people just believing that still, i don't know. i don't like the use of the word deprogram and i think a lot people are smarter than that. howie: neither do i. ray, 20 seconds. ray: hot takes get clicks and follows, that's the media we are in. deprogramming is probably a bad idea and the only thing that they believe that is because they were told it by this network. howie: other liberal commentators have used deprogramming and i think it's the wrong word. , ahead we have exclusive focus group footage on how much trump supporters hate the media. up next peter doocy on covering the new administration.

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>> why weren't president biden and all members to have biden family met not wearing masks when signing mask mandate on federal grounds? >> they were celebrating a historic day in our country. howie: joining us now white house chief correspondent peter doocy. did you think that was a good exchange with her on your question about biden not wearing

mask by lincoln memorial. >> any answer is so new is helpful and newsy. jen psaki is a veteran communicator. they are discipline with the things they are going to say. i know john roberts was talking the other day about how the best kinds of questions are the ones that they haven't thought of or they are not expecting. i don't know if she was expecting that or not but they are very discipline, very on message and i am learning in just the first week or so these briefings that she fix to the talking points and we will always try to come up with ways to maybe -- maybe get something that the other guys in the briefing room haven't thought of. howie: right. "the new york times" news story on jen psaki's debut is she took questions from almost every reporter even a correspondent from fox news. do you think it should be

considered noteworthy or usually generous that jen psaki answered a couple of your questions? >> i think that now that we are in person and everybody has been covid tested she does take questions. everything was over zoom and you had to use the zoom feature where you raise your hand and they could pick whoever they want. it's not a very, you know, there's no way to make eye contact or raise your hand in a way that you know that you can see. it's not the case anymore. during the transition, fox never got called on one of the zoom things. so far we are 2 for 2 when we've had seats in treated by the

administra>> so far they have bn responsive. a lot of people working in the biden white house are also new. they are trying to figure each other out. so far we are hopeful that we will have a good working relationship with them and that's been the case with them. howie: all right, i'm hopeful as well. peter doocy right under your face there. peter, thanks so much for joining us this sunday. [laughter] howie: next on media buzz, frank luntz have been talking with trump supporters about the media and we have the exclusive coverage. ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> meredith. >> journalistic malpractice. >> stephanie. >> immoral. >> it was an agenda. >> mainstream media is democrat propaganda machine. >> not good. howie: joining us now frank luntz, veteran republican pollster. what's behind the extraordinary revolution like trump supporters in focus group and how much of that reflects the attacks by the former president over 4 years on the media? frank: they simply don't believe they are getting the truth and they cannot distinguish from what former president trump says and what others say that in reality they're getting their news to affirm themselves rather than inform themselves and that's a problem. it's the responsibility of the news media to tell the truth to provide the fact and if you are

going to give opinion, make it clear that that's exactly what it is. the problem with the trump people is they think that's all opinion. they think it's opinion from the left and they can't find any place to go that's going to validate them and what they believe. howie: but isn't also true that people on the liberal side of the spectrum try to seek out news that validate their opinions? >> here is the problem, we did a survey within the last ten days, msnbc, 95% of msnbc voters voted for joe biden, 95, 96% of cnn voters voted for joe biden and 94% of fox news viewers, 93% voted for donald trump. so these cable news programs are preaching to the choir and that's a tremendous challenge because it means that you only go to your network that is supporting you. it's trivial news at its worse.

howie: how much of a problem is that for president biden whose inauguration and half of republicans don't believe he won the election? >> it's almost impossible for him to be heard for those who have written him off. it's the reason i told bret baier a few nights ago and i need to stop interviewing these people because frankly for me i realize that i'm not the focus of this, but it's so upsetting to hear this anger and this distrust and this vile that comes out of people and what you did not play is the worst of all is when they go at each other and you can't stop them. i think the ultimate consequence of this is that we've lost our ability to reason with each other. to listen to each other, to learn from each other. howie, this is a disaster. i know that you're in the business of analyzing the news. i'm in the business of analyzing public opinion and i have to

tell you, i'm not only frightened, i'm disgusted by it. howie: let me play a brief clip of what you said to bret baier on fox. >> saying it's tough is understatement. i reached the point where i don't want to do this anymore. howie: so you sound exacerbated a little depressed, are you ready to walk away from your business? >> frank: i've been telling my friends and colleague that they have to find someone to replace me because they still need to hear from the public. my frustration is that almost every news network goes to the pundits rather than the people. that they listen to those who are paid to have points of view rather than the american public who has a point of view and has been egg either ignored or betrayed. i believe that your listeners have the right and responsibility to neglect what other americans think and the problem is that no one is bringing it to them. i just don't know this f i'm the

right guy to do it because i have to tell you i lose my temper and i become the very thing i'm criticizing. i think this is a great country, great population and they've been horribly treated by too many people in your profession. howie: so given the fact that -- and i accept the criticism. given the fact that you feel like you're losing your temper and that you're becoming part of the striden voices here and i know you get mad when you do focus groups. is this it for you, it sounds to me like you've made a decision? >> frank: i've made the decision, i just need the courage to follow it through. by the way, i do not feel that way about you. howie, you and i have known each other for almost 20 years, i have never read any bias into what you've written, i did not see it into what you said. you've one of the good guys, bret baier and neil cavuto, but

too few people that are telling the truth in a straightforward factual way and if i can't do it myself, if i'm intimidated or i'm angry, than i become a bad spokesperson, a bad mouthpiece. i believe the public deserves to be heard and we have a responsibility to tell the story and i don't know if i'm the right person to do it. howie: i appreciate the words. not just cable news, but newspapers, websites, how much are they really fueling the divisions because the most aggressive things you say, the sharpest things you say are rewarded with clicks and ratings and retweets? >> frank: it's more than feeling it, they are ratifying it and confirming it so that people have right to speak up. you would never speak like that

in front of your children. they set the worst example of their kids of next generation, media, academic, entertainment, they are all responsible for this and we all have to teach civics, we have to teach civility and have to say enough is enough and that's what i'm trying to do on your show right now with this segment. enough is enough. howie: frank luntz, we appreciate your candid and after the break, a major cnn blunder is knocked down by anthony fauci and joe biden's press secretary makes her debut. ♪

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howie: cnn casted because trump administration left no plan for nationally distributing the covid-19 but then anthony fauci knocked it down. >> there simply was no vaccination distribution plan under former president donald trump. one source telling cnn as you said there's nothing for uses to rework, we are going to have to build everything from scratch. >> is the biden administration starting from scratch with the vaccine distribution effort or are you picking up where the trump administration left off? doctor: no, we are certainly not starting from scratch because there is activity going on in the distribution. howie: joining us to analyze the

coverage in new york, kat timpf, fox nation, mara laisson, fox news contributor. kat, cnn repeatedly made the claim starting from scratch, msnbc reported as well, how big a mistake is that? kat: it is a very big mistake because people who do not trust media look toward the sort of things as evidence of that, right? when this happens, it makes it easier for those people to say all of cnn is fake news and all of msnbc is fake news. when they do have legitimate criticisms bring up legitimate issues which obviously do exist, people will be less likely to listen to that. howie: mara, fauci said that he felt liberated and frustrations under president trump and comments about hydroxychloroquine and the media loved dr. fauci but some of the

comments make him look like a partisan? >> mara: he says they're not starting from scratch he is speaking the truth and if he feels liberated, that's also true. i want to go back to starting from scratch, i think that was emphasized out of context. how can you be starting from scratch if people are getting have been zones every single day. chief of staff did clarify this, well, there was a plan to distribute it in the first wave but now there's no plan to distribute it going forward. so, but, yeah, there's a risk that he sounds partisan, but drd credibility is based on calling it as he sees it, good or bad, democrat or republican president, and if he continues to do that, i think that he will be seen as credible and not partisan. howie: as we noted earlier jen psaki made her debut as white

house secretary here are some of the things she said and some of the questions she got. >> i have deep respect for press and democracy. [inaudible] >> not in front of me, george. howie: that was george, national journal. jen psaki is smooth in the podium. declaration of free press mean they will give use of her time? kat: i think she has had an easier time. the color scheme of air force one was brought up. look, i think that she obviously is having an easier time and things comparing to what things were like under president trump. i still in the media, huffington

post, this is so normal, let's compare to sean spicer. i would like to get to the point, let's judge on own merit. right now we are seeing a lot of comparison to the past. howie: and mara, jen psaki has been asking some substantive questions, some dumb questions, some very softball questions and with the exception of the new york times mike sheer who pressed on her biden, president biden doesn't really seem to be giving anything substantive to the republicans. i didn't see many challenging questions and is that a problem for the press especially coming out of the contentious trump era? >> mara: i think if it continues, yes, but they've only been in office, what, a week. i think those questions are going to come because he's got a big challenge now. you know, he's got a republican party who has half of the senate who doesn't really like his covid relief package and he's going to have to get it through and he ran as somebody who could

talk to republicans and so the questions will come up. have you talked to them? what kind of compromises are you willing to make. i think that's going to happen. there's no doubt that they are getting a little bit of a honeymoon, i don't know how long it would last but i think the hard questions will come. howie: the second question of the first briefing from nbc peter alexander, is joe biden going to call president trump, we are having trouble breaking trump addiction. let me get a break here. still to come, donald trump is still barred from twitter and facebook and my thoughts on the passing of an old friend larry king and trulicity activates my body to release it, lowering my blood sugar from the first dose. once-weekly trulicity responds when my body needs it, 24/7. trulicity is for type 2 diabetes. it's not insulin.

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howie: as donald trump's twitter and facebook accounts remain

shutdown some liberal commentators say the social media sites enable them and justin: go away. >> the leadership of facebook is pathetic. sheryl sandberg, mark zuckerberg, you guys are pathetic. you need to be shut down. nobody needs what you have to offer. you have destroyed this country. howie: kat timpf, should facebook be blown up. i've been critical over the years of failures of disinformation and hate speech, what's the legality of going after a private company like that? kat: it's not legal. it's interesting because joe and mika have 3 facebook pages between them, but, look, i agree with mika actually about a lot of what the problems are with facebook, but first of all, no legal recourse for the government to actually shut a social media site and he think it is problems are due to monopoly and not due to lack of

regulation. i'm old enough to remember in 2016 frank thanked joe and mika after he won the primary in new hampshire. they were giving him a lot of air time. howie: they've been announcing for 4 years now. mara, everybody in the business needs to be on facebook. when mika says nobody really needs facebook, the fact that hundreds of millions of people forfeiting and the process otherwise? >> yeah, look, a lot of people think they need facebook and political candidates and political parties think they need facebook, look, the expression of frustration with social media and facebook that mika just expressed is shared on the right but the question is what do you do. as kat said these are private companies, anybody can go into the public scare and start a website and give their opinions, the question is how should they be regulated, what is the best way, are they public utilities,

public publishers and we have to get a handle on this and there's a big debate about it. howie: debate that will continue. on that point, i feel half a minute for each of you. facebook has referred indefinite ban and twitter's remain definite, kat, does it seem more unfair than when he was president? kat: i'm not sure it accomplishes what it is aim to go accomplish. the people who are the hard-core supporters see it as bias, the whole victim thing going on, see, they're not being fair to trump. it's in the going to turn anyone listening against him. howie: it was a tense time, maybe some incitement of violence, whether that was fair or not, it's a little less obvious now with him again being -- >> mara: there's not a whole lot of rationality.

for a while we can't censor trump on facebook because he's the president and now kicking president trump because he's hes cementing violence and now he's a citizen. howie: i know you're not going donald trump crazy. >> mara: no, no. howie: thank you very much for joining us and now this. tom is retiring at the age of 80 from the today show, anchor chair, campaigns, conventions to berlin wall, was the face of nbc news, remarkable career and i always enjoyed talking to tom and wish him the best. everyone knew the voice, des moines, iowa, larry king told me i'm not a journalist but the style section of cnn, but king who died yesterday after 87 after contracting covid totally transformed broadcasting, first radio call-in show format on tv. just him, the suspenders and the

big mic and then moving from all the soft celebrity interviews to provide to bill clinton and larry could talk to anyone about anything and he was funny. >> one question i would ask, if monica lewinsky wants to come on, god, my first question to god will be, did you have a son? howie: short questions. didn't like to overprepare or read the author's books, he asked ronald reagan, what was it like to be shot? he interviewed close friends, experienced marriage 8 times to 7 women. i knew him, i liked him, we all liked him and we will miss him. that's it for this edition of media buzz, i'm howard kurtz,

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