fair, balanced, and still unafraid. there is a great show, "fox news primetime," this week it is hosted by a former congressman, trey gowdy. fox news contributor, i watched last night. i was intrigued. or you should be right now. trey? how are you doing? >> trey: thank you, bret. that is about the nicest blog i can possibly get from one of the best in the business, thank you for saying that. ♪ ♪ >> trey: good evening, and welcome back to "fox news prime" i'm trey gowdy. president biden signed even more executive orders today. for those keeping track at home, keeping score at home, we are off to a whopping 43. this latest round focuses on immigration, and dismantles many of president trump's signatures policies. here's what president biden said earlier today. >> president biden: i'm not making new law. i'm illuminating bad policy. the last president of the united states issued executive orders i thought were very counterproductive to our

security and who we are as a country. >> trey: we understand why people want to come to this country, to escape persecution, to taste freedom and liberty, to no hard work and education and a level playing field, can combine forces to transform lives. escaping a country rife with conflict is one thing. picking a new home is another. and america is picked more than all the countries combined because we are a country that embraces justice, we reward fairness, and we are a nation of laws. in fact, if you look at the oath new citizens take criminal law is mentioned different times. six times. in one paragraph. six times, these new citizens swear allegiance to this thing we call law. is irate we can break this thing we call law and bring allegiance to this thing we call the law. it is ironic to say the least that you would reward people who

do not follow the law by administering an oath to follow the law. president obama used is that he wanted a country where everybody plays by the same rules. with respect, president obama, they aren't called rules in this country. they are called laws. president taken an oath to enforce those laws, even those you don't agree with. with respect to immigration from history is whispering "we have traveled this road before." in 1986, we were told immigration was settled. we were told in exchange for secure borders and employment verification, those who enter the country illegally would not suffer the full panoply of legal consequences. in the minds of many, the country got the amnesty, but is still waiting -- 35 years later -- for the border security and the employment security.

but the greatest consequence that comes when government does not keep its word is a government no one trusts anymore. presidents should not issue executive orders to supplant congress. regardless of political party. presidents should not change the law -- they should change the law the right way. the only way. the constitutional way, regardless of party. presidents, most of all, should represent the interests of the american citizens, regardless of party. americans have been through one of the toughest years in our history. they are suffering. they are hurting. there is economic uncertainty, jobs have been lost. hours have been cut. families are in dire need. if you are wondering what your government response to this economic catastrophe has been, i want you to just listen to some of their advice. the secretary of transportation said you should focus on finding a new job, a better job.

john kerry suggested making solar panels. vice president kamala harris said it's time to get out of the coal mines and start clearing landmines. the people who are telling you this are already rich. they already have jobs. in fact, they have government jobs. and to get some of those government jobs, you have to take an oath to protect and defend the united states. maybe they could start by protecting and defending your job. and your right to provide for your family. maybe they could start there. joining me now, from the great state of louisiana, senator john kennedy. welcome, senator kennedy. how are you? >> we need you back, gowdy. i'm thinking signing bonus. >> trey: i cannot afford the alimony of going back, but thank you, senator. what is the answer when it comes to immigration? we haven't grappling with it for 35 years. you are a smart man. what's the answer?

>> trey, i don't understand why the issue is perceived to be so complicated. to me, it is pretty simple. americans overwhelmingly support legal immigration. that's why our country invites over a million of our world neighbors every year to become american citizens. that's more than any other country on the planet. i'm flattered that people want to come to america. other than north korea, and north koreans, what is the last time you heard of somebody trying to sneak into china? they want to come here. but unless you have the iq of a sloth, you know the difference between legal and illegal immigration. illegal immigration is illegal. duh. vetting people at the border, as every country does, is not

racist. it's prudent. it's how we enforce our immigration laws. i looked at president biden's executive orders. i support his efforts to try to reunite kids with their parents. i mean, who wouldn't? but the rest of his executive orders don't seem to make a distinction between legal and illegal immigration. his executive orders are designed to roll back efforts of the trump administration, which did more in four years to stop illegal -- not legal -- but illegal immigration, then any other president in my lifetime. and i think -- i hate to say this, but i think president biden has decided to adhere to the edicts of congresswoman ocasio-cortez, who worships at the altar of open borders, and i think it's a big

mistake, and i don't think the american people will support it. >> trey: senator, you represent a state that is a tremendous energy producer. you have neighbor states that are, also. what do you make of the climate change agenda of this new administration, and what impact is it going to have on workers in your state and throughout the country? >> well, let me say a word about president biden's executive orders on oil and gas. trey. they are immeasurably foolish. they are going to gut louisiana like a fish. one-third of my state's gdp is related to oil and gas. and our state is not alone. is it is going to destroy our energy independence. here is president biden's new energy policy. we are not going to reduce our own oil. instead, we are going to buy oil from countries that hate us so they will have more money to buy

weapons to try to kill us. it's immeasurably foolish. most americans support and all of the above energy policy. oil, gas, wind, solar, nuclear, geothermal, hydrogen. but they also understand that we can't run the greatest economy in all of human history without oil and gas. not now, and not probably for a long time. i don't know about you, trey, but my car does not run off fairy dust. my car doesn't run off unicorn urine. and i think once again, president biden has given into the left wing crazies, who say none of us except them care about the planet -- that's not true. and who, when they break a shoe lace, they blame it on climate

change. you know, they've taken a specific, discrete, scientific problem. is our climate change and? how is it changing? what do we do about it? and they turned it into a religion. and president biden appears to be sucking it up like a hoover deluxe. >> trey: yeah, ed farmer senator kennedy, former senator kerry, rather, said they should go build solar panels, which i'm all for people building solar panels, but i don't think that helps the state of louisiana, or texas, right now. >> well, look, no disrespect to secretary carey, but he is living in la la. i mean, you're going to tell a 50-year-old woman who has been working for oil and gas company, developed extraordinary expertise, who has kids in school, who has a mortgage to play, just to quit your job, because we are going to fire

you, anyway, and go back to school, and then you can go work in a green job, but we haven't told you which one yet. i mean, you know, put down the ball. that's just not realistic. >> trey: all right, i will pick up the ball up one more time, and i will ask you about next week. as i've got you. i got a really good lawyer. what i used to know about trials, they had witnesses on cross examination and the was fair and all of that. is what we are going to see next week a real trial, or is there a better word for it? >> well, we don't know yet. i voted last week, trey, as you know, to dismiss proceedings. i will have another opportunity to do that, and i will vote again to dismiss proceedings for a couple of reasons. number one, due process matters in america. speaker pelosi gave president trump a fair and impartial firing squad. she wouldn't allow him to defend himself.

he got no due process. and let me say again, due process matters in america. these proceedings are defective in their inception. number two, we are asking to impeach a president who is no longer president. the constitutionality of that is dubious at best. so we are being asked to go through -- put the american people through this, and then later, we will find out if it is constitutional. third -- >> trey: well, we will be watching. >> we will be watching. >> trey: thank you, senator. we will be watching. best of luck to you -- >> thanks, trey. i love it when you are on, man. i love it when you are on. >> trey: i love it when you are on. why won't chicago teachers go back to work? they try to explain their stance using interpretive dance. that just didn't work. we will see if there are new explanation makes any new sense for you. ♪ ♪ >> man: what's my safelite story? my truck...is my livelihood.

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♪ ♪ >> trey: the science is clear: children should have gone back to school months ago. but today makes it crystal clear chicago teachers union doesn't care about the science. because they aren't following it. just hours after the city caved to nearly all of the union's demands, one teacher was asked, point blank, why are you going back to work? >> your union says that agreements were reached on some serious issues, like health and safety protocols, ventilation, contact tracing, and safety committees. what is outstanding? what are your concerns that remain? >> well, my concern that remains, number one concern i have, is that covid is still spreading in chicago.

>> trey: robbie sauve is an associate editor of reason.com and the author of "panic attacks: young radicals in the age of trauma." robbie, it sounds to me like she is saying, thanks for all the money, but we still and going back to work. >> yeah, that was quite the admission, wasn't it? the teachers unions, the teachers, it's lucy on the football. no matter what they get, no matter how many concessions are met, they still say, well, we're not going back to work yet. no exaggeration, revealing they never intend to come under any circumstance, to go back to the classroom. certainly, covid will still exist next school year. hopefully we will have it very well under control but there were still be people in this country who get it. again, hopefully very few come in very few will die from it, but this is a problem we will be dealing with, to some extent, for a long time, and are we really going to keep our public

school children, children most in need of education, we are going to keep them out of the classroom, what, forever? for years? i can't even comprehend -- and they seem to think that's fine. >> trey: you know, robby, you put your finger on it. i confessed my bias. i have lived with a public school teacher for the last 31 years. she loves her children. she has been back in the classroom since august. one of the consequences of this lost year of learning for the children, and who is speaking up for the children? >> right, the teachers don't -- excuse me, the students don't have a union to speak for them. their voices often absence from this. the long-term consequences for them will be terrible, in terms of their readiness for college and their employment prospects, their math, reading, et cetera, will be set back, but i'm almost more worried about the immediate -- the psychological effects. there are kids who haven't seen their friends in, like, a year.

school is the social hub of adolescence. and to not have that for as long as we have not had that, there is a terrible story -- it is truly terrible -- about young kids, teenagers, killing themselves in greater numbers. that actually forced las vegas schools to open because of the suicide rate. what we are doing to our children here is just terrible, and of course the disease is terrible, as well, and we need to have those mitigation efforts in place, but the cdc says we can reopen the public school safely, we have reopened private schools -- many catholic schools have opened everywhere, and they don't have significant spread, so it can be done. why won't public school teachers let us do it? >> trey: well, you know, you've got the cdc and those crazy scientists on one hand, and you've got chicago mayor lori lightfoot on the other, that she knows who is to blame for all of this, and she hopes you're going to fall for it. give this a listen. >> this is a very difficult

situation, and we are in it, still, because of the incompetence of the previous administration, so i think it is important for both sides to come to the table in good faith, recognize that we are both trying to work through a very challenging situation. we must get a deal done. >> trey: robby, is trump the head of the chicago teachers union? i mean, i know he is out of the white house. is that where he went? >> yeah, how many more months do we have to be blaming trump for the teachers being unwilling to go back to school? it's just, it's so ridiculous at this point. there has been so much time to prepare, trump has nothing to do with it, obviously. public school teachers are trumping the vaccine queue, which i think is excellent, if they are going to go back to class. let's get them back in school if they are going to be vaccinated at the top of the line. >> trey: amen. thank you, robby. when we come back, you're going to want to stick around for this. i am, too, because i've no idea

who it is. a democrat who actually likes me, which has not always gone over well with her party or the media. congresswoman tulsi gabbard joined me next. ♪ ♪ >> i have developed friendships that some people may be surprised about, like trey gowdy. and i have disagreed a lot and very strongly on a lot of political issues. we have developed a friendship that is based on respect. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> trey: fairness is a beautiful word. it has a certain radiant symmetry to it. it is challenging to define, but we know it when we see it. we know it when people treat us fairly. we also know it when they do not. and unfairness has a profound impact and a lasting effect. history, literature, music, they are littered with powerful examples of unfairness.

whether it is watching or reading accounts of the innocent people charged, convicted, and punished, unfairness has or should have a profound impact on all of us. sometimes in life or in sports, the referee or the judge is bad to both sides, like an umpire who just can't decide what the strike zone is, no matter which team is batting and which team is pitching. but sometimes, it seems all the calls go against us. what happens when the referee calls fouls against us but never against the other team? what happens when a different standard is applied to us than is applied to others? what happens when someone notices all of our flaws and all of our faults, but recognizes none of the flaws and faults present in the other side? i have rarely been the victim of unfairness in my life. i have not experienced unfairness so much as i have observed it. but when you do experience

unfairness, even with something small, it impacts you. it impacts how you view your yourself, how you view others, and it impacts how you think others view you. fairness is no longer an objective, it has now become a tool. we reorder or restructure what is fair. we in essence redefine the word. we minimize disparate treatment, the end justifies the means, because the means is no longer evenhanded. when you experience unfairness, you begin to no longer see it as that aspirational virtue we should all long for. we see it as an illusion. a reality for some, but not for others. we start looking for makeup calls, for things to go our ways even if they are undeserved because the fairness equilibrium needs to be restored. long-term systemic unfairness changes the way review and define what is fair. i think we are in desperate need of a societal referee.

a judge that even when we don't always like him or her, we always respect him or her. and that role is supposed to be played by the media. but it is not. and it has not been for many years. the american people are smart enough to see the unfairness, poll after for after poll reflects this. the media is no longer a referee. the media has become a participant. the american people thief, democrat governors like andrew cuomo and devan gavin newsom, winning awards for their handling of the pandemic, republican governors like ron desantis and greg abbott are vilified. if you don't believe me, watch this. >> you have done an amazing job in california. >> governor desantis' decision to keep opening the beaches and doing things that are particularly unsafe. it is beyond foolhardy and perilous for them to pursue such a course. >> please welcome his excellency, governor andrew cuomo. >> thank you for everything you

are doing to keep our state safe and the public informed. >> the people are not company heading the magnitude of the problem because governors like abbott, plowed ahead with reopening the state even as new cases continue to increase. >> i know you have been portrayed as some sort of a homecoming king of this crisis, and headline from jezebel, "help, i think i'm in love with andrew cuomo." >> trey: wow. they say tough questions to ask a republican president while president obama is asked if he ever gets tired of being so wonderful. and we learned today president biden wants to see the questions ahead of time. when is the last time nancy pelosi got a tough question from "the new york times"? when is the last time adam schiff got a tough question from "politico" or anyone else, for that matter? there is a reason the american people believe the media is biased. because the media is biased. that's why. we can survive with a media

people don't like. we cannot survive but they media people do not trust. when i was in congress, there were some house democrats who treated me and other republicans with more fundamental fairness than the d.c. media did. and at the top of that list was a progressive democrat from the state of hawaii, former member of congress, former presidential candidate, and current american soldier, tulsi gabbard. tulsi, lo ha. >> aloha, my friend. it is good to see you. >> trey: is good to see you come also. lunch to ask a tough question. i perceive you were treated unfairly. i perceive there were times in your congressional career and as a presidential candidate that there was a different set of rules apply to you. was that my own bias of liking you, or have you perceived that if you are a little bit out of the democrat mainstream, maybe

they don't treat you the same? >> your perception would be accurate, sir. i am not the only one who has been subjected to this bias that we have seen across the media. unfortunately, i think none of this would come as a surprise to the american people, who are watching this show right now, and it has led to this distrust in a media that should be presenting itself as true journalists, with unbiased and neutral information from which people who are watching can draw their own conclusions, and the reason for this is we've got a media, frankly, that is driven by profits, and how do we get the highest ratings, how do we get the most clicks in media, and especially when you've got newsrooms that have been moved into the entertainment divisions of these massive media corporations, the news becomes entertainment, and what is entertaining? well, drama and conflict cells, so let's see, and i saw this

through the debates and the presidential campaign, so many examples of let's see how we can fuel this conflict culture and divisiveness to drive up those ratings, to drive up those profits, without any regard for the detrimental and destructive device of consequence in tearing apart our country. and obviously, big tech and social media is doing the exact same thing, and this is where action needs to be taken to hold these corporations responsible for those consequences. i think reinstating the fairness doctrine is a good first step, but it doesn't go nearly far enough to address the enormity of this problem. we, the people, have to change the social norms, just as we did with big tobacco that used to promote cigarettes as something as happy as healthy, what was actually destructive. we need to do the same thing with this for-profit media engines who are tearing our

country apart, to say that this is not acceptable, because if we don't do that, if we just stand by and let the status quo continue, our country will continue to be torn apart. we will be torn apart as americans. and the united states of america will no longer exist. >> trey: yeah, those are really famous people who study house divided cannot stand. and when he raised an issue that i don't know the answer to. which came first, this insatiable public discord come or we were fed a steady stream of it and become acclimated? congress is nothing like when you and i served together. it may have not perfect, but we did not have metal detectors when you and i worked together. >> it's gotten worse and worse over time, and i think there's a direct correlation between those in the media, these massive corporations who are profit driven, as well as big tech, who

is profit driven, recognizing hey, look, we can make more money when we are throwing fuel on the flames of this conflict culture, this divisiveness, and stoking the fires that are heightening people's emotions and worst fears, whether they are based on reality or not, and this is really what is so dangerous, because if anybody spends any time on twitter or social media, you see how this conflict culture is everywhere, it is inescapable. now, it is starting to come or maybe it has been for some time, but you are seeing this translating from online to real life, and that is, again, we're so much of the danger lies. >> trey: tulsi come i want to ask you one more question or make one more observation. when you called my name in that debate, i was watching that debate, and i cringed for you, because i knew there would be punishment for you, being one of

the most well-respected democrats on my side of the aisle, and telling the truth about the fact that you had friends on the other side of the aisle, we just got to get to a better place, where you can be free to be friends with folks even if you vote differently, and there was no one better at that than you were. so, thank you. >> i appreciate that very much. >> trey: i can't wait to see -- >> thank you for your friendship. >> trey: you too. >> talk again soon. >> trey: yes, ma'am. new developments in the durham probe, the investigation now honing in on the fbi. coming up, former director of national intelligence john ratcliffe on what this means for those involved, including james comey. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> trey: new information on the scope of the durham probe, sources fox news special counsel john durham is done investigating the cis role in the origins of the rush of probe. durham has a report of the moved to the fbi but also saying it is unlikely that high-ranking officials like jim comey will be

charged. for joining me now, former director of national intelligence united states congressman, former u.s. attorney john ratcliffe. john, how are you? >> trey, great to be with you. >> trey: i want to begin by taking a look at jim comey back in 2018. listen to this and get your thoughts on the other side. >> total confidence that the fisa process was followed and the entire case was handled in a thoughtful and responsible way by doj and fbi. i think the notion that fisa was abused here is nonsense. >> trey: nonsense? i think you are one of the republican on the other side of that wall asking him questions. let me first ask you, do you expect more indictments from the durham probe? >> i think the intelligence that i have seen would reflect that there would be additional actions taken by john durham. you know, that clip that you played there, trey, i remember

it well. you and i did ask a lot of questions because we were convinced that there was fisa abuse, and we were unfortunately right, and jim comey had to walk that back, and we saw the lawyer that created those false applications plead guilty this week, and it is for that same reason that when i became dni and i saw more intelligence, i became more convinced that there was more incidents like that as it related to the 2016 campaign. without betraying any confidence, i can tell you i sat in a room last july with don durham, attorney general barr, e all unanimously agreed there was a problem with respect to the fbi, that there was not a proper predicate to begin much less continue counterintelligence investigation against the trump campaign, so i would be surprised if this reporting is accurate, that aren't going to be additional indictments. i would expect that. i think the intelligence that i have seen reflects that. and i certainly think, you know,

once the investigation runs its course, that that is what will take place. >> trey: you know, johnny, i was struck with a dichotomy. you cry jim comey out there saying what you and other house republicans were doing looking into fisa abuse was nonsense. and you have the sycophant dish mob of reporters. i wonder if he changed his mind at all since now more fbi employees have been to prison then members of the trump family. >> i don't know. i hope for this investigation goes is that there are additional folks held accountable, not because i want to see folks go to prison but because i want people to have faith and trust in the fbi and affirmative justice and, increasingly they don't. the american people have seen the text messages and emails and memos and transcripts, and fisa applications, and they know this just isn't right. you talked earlier about fairness, and they see that this just wasn't fair, and if the fbi

and affirmative justice can't hold folks accountable for that, than we are going to have a problem down the road. >> trey: john, i want to switch to another subject. you are also director of national intelligence. democrats have criticized you for your focus on china. it seems like maybe you wound up being right. >> well, i increased spending on china by 20% because china is our greatest national security threat, and i think increasingly, you know, you are seeing some of the biden administration officials talk about the threat that china is becoming. and my point is this. can we all just be honest about china? can we not treat intelligence on china the same way we would treat intelligence on russia? take this, for example. if we had intelligence, clear intelligence, that said that vladimir putin ordered scientists in st. petersburg to experiment on coronavirus is at the st. petersburg institute of

virology, and there was a problem when people started getting sick and putin ordered st. petersburg be set off from the rest of russia but open to the rest of the world and he silenced scientists and doctors and reporters that wanted to talk about it, and he lives to the world health organization, and as a result of that, 400,000 americans died as a direct result of that virus. when you think the biden administration and democrats and the media would be saying about russia? let's be honest, because that is exactly what the intelligence shows us china did in this case, and it is why china is our greatest national security threat and why we have to be clear eyed about it going forward. >> trey: well, johnny, i don't have to wonder what one house democrat would say about that, because he said that you were kind of falsely equating china with russia. i think it was an old colleague of your name eric swalwell. we have a clip if you want to

listen to it again, brings back good memories. >> the administration put out a statement that you have china and russia and iran all interfering and gave this false equivalence to them. what is accurate in the statement that was put out today as russia continues to interfere in our elections. the way the administration is proceeding, is to just say, "well, everyone is interfering." >> trey: well, i thought it showed a good bit of when congressman swallow was criticizing about that because i knew the public did not know at that point in time about, you ks relationship -- >> trey: you don't have to show restraint now, just be yourself. you don't have to show restraint anymore, just be yourself. >> what is important is the intelligence community be honest about china, and that people stop trying to politicize intelligence to make china less of a threat or russia or more of a threat. let the intelligence speaks for itself, and if it does, realize

that china and china alone is the greatest national security threat, the one country that can supplant the united states is a world superpower, and i want the biden administration to be honest about that because if they don't recognize that, we are all going to suffer. so hopefully everyone will not just agreed that i was right about china, but that will be honest about china going forward. >> trey: johnny, we've got about 30 seconds. tough question. give me a quick answer. from your time as the dni, what scares you the most? what do you know now that you did not know the day before you took the job? and keeps you awake at night? >> well, i think the three greatest threats we face, i talked about china, that's my increased spending by 20%. cybersecurity is the other great threats. with a great equalizer. countries like china or russia or north korea or iran can't compete with us can compete and cause us damage from half a world away, a few seconds and a few keystrokes.

>> trey: thank you, johnny. thank you for your service to our country. rumors are swirling, stacey abrams, who still hasn't conceded the governors race she lost, might be running again for governor! karl rove on that and how republicans should respond. ♪ ♪ where can a healthier heart lead you? for people with heart failure taking entresto, it may lead to a world of possibilities. entresto is a heart failure medicine prescribed by most cardiologists. it was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of the hospital. heart failure can change the structure of your heart so it may not work as well. entresto helps improve your heart's ability to pump blood to the body. and with a healthier heart, there's no telling where life may take you. don't take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren,

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no one lays a finger on your butterfinger. ♪ ♪ >> trey: georgia republicans have two more big races in 2022. there is a senate race to win, and then there is beating stacey abrams. g.o.p. supporters along with governor brian kemp are forming a group called "stop stacey." their goal is stopping abrams from another gubernatorial run into years. abrams, who still has not conceded the 2018 election she lost, has been widely credited with helping democrats win both u.s. senate seats in january. joining me now, fox news contributor karl rove. welcome, karl. how are you?

>> fantastic, sir. how about you? >> trey: i'm great. what do you make of this group designed to stop stacey. we could have used them in january, couldn't we? >> exactly. look, georgia has contribution limits, about $7,000 is what you can give a candidate for governor, and so, if the republicans -- the republican governor runs for reelection, he is limited to receiving $7,000. stacey abrams has a galaxy of organizations, some of them receive -- are subject to federal campaign limits of roughly $10,000, but others are 501(c)(3)s and 501(c)(4)'s dark money nonprofits, and together, all of these groups raised well into the nine figures, and so, the republicans are faced with the prospect of trying to take on abrams while she has these political organizations that in the past have done everything they can to advance her political career, and obviously these political consultants and groups

finance -- people have mounted a super pac effort to against her. all good and legal. i that weird thought. i'm not sure she is running for governor. i think she is running for president. and i think she looks at joe biden and says he is in there for one term, and so why should i run for governor -- love to have an ally of mine brian kemp, get elected of governor of the state with my help, but you know what, i'm running for president in 2024, and running for governor would tie me down with legislative session and a real job, i'm focused on the white house. >> trey: karl, you mentioned 2024. you're one of the more well-respected political minds in the country. what advice would you give republicans as they head into 2022 and 2024? the math looks pretty tough, and the senate may be a little easier in the house, but what c? >> well, number one, where to figure out what we are for. we are going to find ourselves easy to oppose things that biden administration is doing, and that is important, but we also

have to decide what we are for. how do we take our conservative principles and apply them to the changing circumstances of this new century? second of all, we have got to get our act together in terms of registering voters and the basic blocking and tackling of get out the vote, and that is going to be really critical to us. we need to have greater emphasis on diversity. i don't think it an accident that in california, the republicans for the first time in the history of the state, joined the union in 1850, knocked off four democrat incumbent members of congress, and they did so with two asian-americans, both women, and two latinos, both guys, and i don't think that is an accident. i know you and i are huge fans of tim scott. i've heard your interview with him recently. he is a terrific -- we need more like him and elise stefanik and liz cheney, nikki haley, the diversity that is our country. it ought to be one of our strengths. >> trey: well, we had a moment

of accord, you and i both love most of the names you've just mentioned, so i'm going to end, we have about a minute, i'm going to end by asking you a tough question. but you've got a great political mind, and i don't know who else to ask. you've got mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy in the house, speaking of georgia, a congresswoman in georgia that is threatening to define the republican party. how do you keep a big tent -- keep the fringes kind of out of the main dining area? >> yeah, look, if you believe that the jews control a space laser starts fires in northern california and that there are some unnamed high-ranking government official who has a heretofore unknown security classification called q, and all of the naughty things that flow with that, you should be taken off the prestigious house education and labor committee and confined to the dark recesses of the furthest building away from the house floor, and then let the voters decide in the next election. she is a problem for our party.

>> trey: very, very bluntly stated advice. very concise. thank you, karl. i hope you've enjoyed tonight's conversations. for more, check out my podcast at foxnewspodcast.com. thank you for watching. i'm trey gowdy. i >> tucker: welcome to tucker carlson. we have an admission. for more than four years we've been telling you, almost every week, is the basic threat to your freedoms in america is not the federal government. we've thought that for a long time. it can be infuriating, stupid and dangerously but theoretically you have some control over its behavior since it's a democracy in. this moment right now the bigger threat to your family turns out to be huge publicly held corporations, particularly the tech monopolies. why? because you have zero control over their behavior. they truly aren't