for us. i hope you've enjoyed tonight's conversations. for more check out my podcast at fox news podcast.com. thank you for watching. i'm trey gowdy. i will see you tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." what a week and it's only thursday. but there has been only one story in washington, d.c. and across the country. there has been an enormous amount of talk not just this week but over the last month about violent extremism and the people who embrace it. the dangerous people. those violent are domestic terrorists we are told. they must be put down by force. the war on terror has moved statewide extremists have breached our walls they are inside our country and in response we must hunt them down. doing it is existential. our country depend on it. our lives depend on it. we are hearing those words

nonstop on cable news. not just on cable news. we are hearing the very same thing from elected officials including some republican elected officials. we are hearing it from the leaders of federal law enforcement agencies and of the intelligence agencies. we are hearing it from the pentagon. just this week the new secretary of defense ordered the entire u.s. military to, quote, stand down while investigators cleanse the ranks of political extremists. and of course we are hearing it from the business establishment from wall street from the tech monopolies from the massive multinational corporations that increasingly control the contours of american life. all of them are now on the hunt for political extremists. and at one level that does not sound bad. because no sane person is for political extremism, especially violent extremism. we are against it. we're for moderation. we are for incremental change. we are for the consent of the governed. we said that every day for four years and we meant it. we don't like extremists either. we attack them regularly. but it's not enough to be

against something. you have to be more precise than that what is it that you are against? in order to root out a problem you have to know what it is. you need a sense of what you are looking for. you need a clear sight picture. you have to define the terms. and here's the remarkable thing about this public conversation we're having. no one is doing that. have you noticed? none of these newly energized and highly empowered extremist hunters have told us exactly what an extremist is. so we are left to guess. we are left to look around nervously to see if we can spot one. hoping against hope the whole time they are not talking about us, are they? and if they are, what exactly are they doing? how are they hunting these extremists they keep telling us about but will not describe? we now know part of the an to that question. this show has obtained exclusively evidence that bank of america, the second largest bank in the country with more than 60 million customers is actively but secretly engaged in the hunt for extremists in

cooperation with the government. bank of america is, without the knowledge or the consent of its customers sharing private information with federal law enforcement agencies. bank of america effectively is acting as an intelligence agency. but they are not telling you about it. in the days after the january 6th riot at the capitol, bank of america went through it own customers' financial and transaction records, a lot of them. now, these were the private records of americans who had committed no crime. people who as far as we know had absolutely nothing to do with what happened at the capitol on january 6th. but at the request of federal investigators, bank of america searched its databases looking for people who fit a specific profile. here's what that profile was and we are quoting: customers confirmed as transacting either through bank account debit card or credit card purchases in washington, d.c. between januar. number two, purchases made for hotels, air b and b, rsvps in

washington, virginia, or maryland after january 6th. number three, any purchase of weapons or at a weapons-related merchant between january 7th and their upcoming suspected stay in the d.c. area around inauguration day. and, 4, airline related purchases since january 6th. end quote. so what too you notice about that profile? well, the first thing you notice is that it is remarkably broad. any purchases of anything in the city of washington, d.c. any overnight stay anywhere in the three state area. that's spans hundreds of miles. any purchase, not simply of legal firearms but, instead anything bought from a, quote, weapons related merchant, t-shirt included. and then any airline related purchases. not just flights to washington, flights to anywhere, to omaha, to thailand. that is a very, very wide net.

and absurdedly wide net. bank of america identified a total of 211 customers who met these, quote, thresholds of interest. and it was at that point the show has learned bank of america turned over the results of its internal scan to federal authorities. apparently without notifying the customers who were being spied upon. federal investigators then interviewed at least one of these unexpecting people. and that person, we learned, hadn't done anything wrong and in the end was cleared. imagine if you were that person? the fbi hauls you in for questioning in a terror investigation. not because you have done anything suspicious. you haven't. you bought plane tickets and visited your country's capitol. you thought you could do that. you thought it was your country. now they are sweating you because your bank, which you trust with your most private information, information of everything you buy has ratted you out to the fed without telling you without your knowledge. because bank of america did that, you are being treated like

a member of al qaeda. what country is this? it doesn't matter how much you despise donald trump, or how much you believe that hatred of trump justifies the spending this country's ancient civil liberties. going through that experience would scare the hell out of you. absolutely. a terrorist suspect you would think? does anyone even know about this? is there a record of this interview why i would lose my job because of it? that actually happened to someone. it's hard to believe it, but it did. we asked bank of america about this, they confirmed it actually happened by not denying it. here is their statement in full which manages to make the whole thing each creepier assuming that's possible. quote: we don't comment on our communications with law enforcement. well, apparently not. all banks, it continues, have responsibilities under federal law to cooperate with law enforcement snirks in full compliance with the law, end quote. now, the last part from the lawyer's perspective is the

essence in full compliance with the law. it's the law, we had no choice. but that's not true. bank of america did have a choice. the bank could have resisted turning over information on its innocent customers to federal investigators. but bank of america did not do that. nor is it clear if we're going to be precise about it, that what bank of america did is even legal. it turns out it's not simple. it's a gray area. we spoke to a number of lawyers about this today. some of them told us that what bank of america did might, in fact, not be legal and could, in fact, be challenged in court. one knowledgeable attorney pointed to us 12 u.s. c 433 allows the banks to tip off the feds to any information that may be relevant to a possible violation of any statute or regulation. now the doj instructs federal agents to remind banks of that law, and, of course, they do with maximum aggression. but the question is legally, what constitutes information that may be relevance to a

possible crime? buying a muffin in washington, d.c. on january 5th? does that make you a potential domestic extremist? according to bank of america, yes, yes, it does. this is the moment when for the sake of our country and our grandchildren who will live here, we need to pause and breathe deeply searching for wisdom, avoiding hysteria and ask what are the rules? what foregod's sake is a political extremist? a lot hangs on that question. maybe everything. please tell us. but they won't tell us. pointedly they won't tell us. today at the white house, for example, the new national security adviser jake sullivan told reporter that, quote: domestic extremism is the urgent crisis of our time. rooting out domestic political extremism is more important than anything else. more important than getting a job. running your business, tending to your family. but sullivan did not, again, tellingly explain what it is.

>> so build back better isn't just about economics. it's about national security as well. and then it's about the set of issues that working families in this country are facing every day that are challenging their lives and livelihoods, the pandemic, climate change, the threat of domestic violent extremism. >> tucker: domestic violent extremism. interest it is the worst thing. no sense of what that means. we're starting to believe they are not defining it for a reason. what's the other explanation? yesterday an op-ed in the "new york times" asked this question are private messaging apps the next misinformation hot spot? private messaging apps signal. a bunch of others. they are encrypted no one can read it. the "new york times" doesn't like this. why? because if they can't see what you are saying, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to say it. as the newspaper put it quote the shift to private messaging

has renewed a debates over whether encryption is a double edged sword while the technology prevents people from being spied upon it may also make it easier for criminals and misinformation spreaders to do harm without getting caught. notice criminals and misinformation spreaders are in the same sentence. they are pretty much the same thing. what's a misinformation spreader? well it's somebody that doesn't agree with the "new york times" obviously a violent extremist and they are dangerous. if you think we are joking? we are not. they are pulling this thread every day. according to democratic party, we need to start screening the social media accounts of people who work for the government just to make sure. >> so, it's time for us to open our eyes and recognize what's going on. the fact that we do not look at social media of potential recruits into the military flabber imases me. >> tucker: a host of very popular hill newspaper.

he joins us to tee fine this essential phrase of the moment. everything hangs on this saager. we are happier here. i'm hoping to get a clear explanation, a clear definition of what this phrase means. what does a political extremist a domestic extremist. >> a political domestic extremist is everyone who does not agree with the professional managerial class and the people who run this country trip. what we are seeing right now, tucker, is one of the most dangerous episodes in modern american history. it's the fusion of the people who run our culture, our largest institutions with the post 9/11 security state. and we need to remember that the people who run the post 9/11 security state are the greatest failures of the modern area. take you talked about the pentagon and general lloyd or secretary now defense lloyd austin. this is the person who failed to quote, unquote, arm all these, you know, moderate rebels in syria. he wasted hundreds of millions of dollars. right where i stand right here where i'm sitting.

there is fencing around the capitol. we learned today that it cost half a billion dollars for the national guard deployment. we see the excesses of the money. we see the deployment of the entire surveillance state. things like with bank of america the proposal of new laws. john brennan has come out and said people within the cia and others are beginning to hunt these quote unquote domestic extremists here on american soil. don't let it be said the cia is not even supposed to operate on american soil. what is he saying there? this is truly one of the most dangerous episodes and in this case the post 9/11 security state is not even being monitored by the media or people in the culture because they agree with the people who are being -- they agree with the people who are hunting the hunted. >> tucker: after 9/11 we had at least a working definition that we talked a lot about in public of what a terrorist was. and, of course, in the end a terrorist committed act of terror, which were acts of violence designed to kill innocence in order to make a

political point. that's not for all the awful things we saw on january 6th. that's not one of them actually. that didn't happen. other bad things. that wasn't one of them. it wasn't terrorism. it was a riot. so i wonder that's the pretext upon which they are justifying 9/11 level surveillance suspension of civil liberties effectively martial law in the capitol? it's that? >> exactly, tucker. i mean, did we need thousands of american troops or did we maybe just need 100 more cops on that day on january 6th and the expire thing looks different? too we need half a billion dollars deployment? do we need a new domestic terror law? every law on the books is probably already too many on the books. all of those could have been stopped. what happened on january 6th. same thing that was -- occurred on 9/11. and many of these different caves. it's all just an excuse for the people in the security state, one, to keep making money, two, in order to expand their vast powers. i'm deeply troubled by the

people who ruined iraq and afghanistan now trying to bring their methods to the united states. i saw joy reed on msnbc talking about debaath of course. do you or i want to break the news to her about how that worked out in iraq? these people have no business trying to debaathify anywhere. truck. >> tucker: they are creating extremists like they did in iraq. making it a dead certainty that somebody is going to be driven into total lunacy and do something terrible. i mean, they are making people crazy. and dramatically elevating the chance that something really awful is going to happen. i'm upset about it. i think we all should be. saager, i appreciate you coming on tonight and your clarity as always. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so it looks like the dwarf king is indeed emerging permanently from his layer at sea and stepping down. calls to shut down this network and speech in general on approved thought continue to flow from cnn. we will tell you why after the

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♪ >> tucker: the first time i told you about the recall effort in california, the one to remove gavin newsom as governor, it seemed like just a remote possibility. now there it has a very real chance of succeeding,

interesting. meanwhile under los angeles' new progressive d.a. gorge gascon more people is have a chance to go to prison than ever before that would include serial rapist. bill has the story for us tonight. hey, bill. >> hey, tucker, good evening to you. so literally as soon as the gas cone took office here in l.a. he issued a series of directives that he says are meant to stop massive incarceration here in los angeles. he got rid of cash bail. is he no longer prosecuting juveniles as adults. he got rid of gang gun enhance wants. he is no longer prosecuting california's three strikes law and is he longer allowing his prosecutors attend parole hearings for criminals when they have a parole hearing. that's causing issues for victims' families here in l.a. if we can pull up a mugshot. this is a story i did last night. this is howard jones, a double murderer who shot and killed two teenagers back in 1988. he has been in prison since 1991. he was denied parole two times

in 2015 and 017. but yesterday he had a third parole hearing and because prosecutors weren't allowed to attend it under gascon's reforms he was granted parole yesterday. it's going to be up to governor gavin newsom. the victim's family are furious. they say they were abandoned. they had to face the killer alone with no support. and they say it's disgusting that he is going to potentially get out after only 30 years in prison for killing two people. if we can pull up another story, this is one i did monday night. this was the subterranean rapist. this was a guy who terrorized l.a. back in 1981. he raped or sexually assaulted approximately 50 women. he has a parole hearing coming up and just like the last story, he is not going to have prosecutors there because of gascon's reforms. no one is going to be there to argue he stay locked up. and his victims, who i interviewed, they are terrified. they say they will have to face that guy, the guy who raped them, and they are not going to have any support there.

and then last month, if we can pull up another mugshot, this is probably the most heinous one yet. this is a man who raped two young children when they were ages 6 and 8. this was in the early 2,000s. he raped them repeatedly, sodomized them. he has been in prison since the early 2,000s. he also has a parole hearing coming up and you can get where this is going. prosecutors will not be at that hearing. the victims horrified they are going to have to face him alone. terrified that he could potentially get out. a recall of gascon. an effort started for it. he has only been in office two months, tucker. >> tucker: really shocking stories. bill, i appreciate your bringing those to national attention. this stuff has been lost. you have been on it terrier like. i appreciate it. thank you. so at the end of last night's show right at the end we told you that the dwarf king might be vacating his muskie layer over at cnn. turns out we were right this

morning jeff zucker informed his bewildered dominions that he in fact he is leaving at the end of this year. honestly we are going to miss him. in a business filled with blustery half wits zucker was the blueserrist. you cannot be elected president of the united states without cnn he once boasted to his fellow buddy lawyer michael cohen we brought you a few month ago. hilarious. hard to beat that level of entertainment with your pants on. we didn't have to watch cnn to enjoy it. also worth remembering jeff zucker's other contribution to the american media landscape. jeff zucker's relentless attacks on the freedom of speech. he created entire unit at cnn devoted to shutting down any news organization that refused to tow the ruling class line. if you had unauthorized questions about anything, jeff zucker wanted it force you to be quiet and he tried. zucker's staffed his own little ministry of truth with two of the most repulsive yet obedient

impose teres he could find political activist posing as reporters. thugs pretending to be objective analysts. he set them loose to silence free thinking journalists with threat, lies and bullying. in a number of cases they have been successful. a tragedy every time. cnn is in fact trying its best to pull this show and fox itself off the air for good. harm reduction. that's what they call it. as if fox news was a deadly pathogen. that is not the behavior of a legitimate news organization. but it's exactly what cnn has become. a tv channel that makes a billion dollars a year using the first amendment to kill free speech in the rest of the media. that's wrong but it's not just wrong. it's frightening. you don't want to live in the country cnn is creating. but jeff zucker has not done this alone. going forward we want to be a lot more specific and much more detailed about who is trying to strip you of your most valuable birth right as an american which is the freedom to speak and hear

the truth. everything is based on that. and you should know the names of the people trying to take it away. you should know why they are trying to do it. you should understand the stakes. we want to begin tonight briefly because we're going to have a lot more time in the coming weeks and months because it's important. but we want to begin tonight with jeff zucker's boss a man called john stanky. john stanky runs at&t which owns cnn. stanky know what is jeff zucker does at cnn and he strongly approved of it. last year stanky announced that zucker was doing, quote, a wonderful job at the channel. and you should be concerned about that. at&t is an enormously powerful company. in 2019 its net income was nearly $14 billion. more ominous at&t controls over a million miles of fiber lines. chances are virtually everything you know about the outside world flows through at&t's property. so john stankey's opinions matter.

he has an awful lot of control over your life. john stankey think's it's to come silence this show to silence you. why does john stank ey. think that we would love to ask him. in the meantime we will keep digging and let you know what we find. >> tucker: speaking of deaded dy pathogens critical race theory spreading tell you if it's in your kids school. that's next. ♪

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>> tucker: spent an awful lot of time beating up on the journalists and sorry state of journalism. we don't want it all to be negative. the we want to celebrate the good guys once in a while. tonight bring you the story of a genuine investigative journalist. a man forgotten and passed aside like an acosta when he should be edward r. murrow. that's injustice we plan to rectify right now. when everyone was saying wear a mask to protect yourself from the coronavirus. this man told you should wear

three masks. not just one, three. it isn't taught you are born with it. you have got it or you don't. last night this same investigative journalist now an anchor at cnbc broke the story of a lifetime. pulitzer prizes still mattered and they don't. this would get a pulitzer. you have seen the film. have you seen the moon landing. have you never seen anything like this. roll the tape. >> we all fantasizing about a time when we won't have to wear the masks anymore. it's not now. but some supermarket in florida appear to have decided that the time is now. look at this. this was the scene at oak's farm seed and to table market in naples today. nbc sam brock took this video. looks like pre-pandemic, right? most customers and employees not wearing mask was at all. >> tucker: this was the scene a woman smiled in a grocery store. actually, it wasn't quite what we thought it was. we believed the hype, i guess.

maybe when you spend 30 years reading scripts about car chases everything seems like a car chase. the problem is not everything is a car chase. sometimes people just smiling at each other in a grocery store. sorry, overheated news guy. that's not actually news. well, many cleems and universities now teach something called critical race theory. now according to critical race theory, some races are inherently better than other races. this isn't an assault on racism. it is racism. and it's spreading. bewilderingly. the deepest possible betrayal of the promise of this country of every martin luther king speech ever given and yet it's in your kids' school. one law professor started a website called critical race.org. once again that's critical race.org. you can use that race to track the spread of these diseased ideas in schools and seeing if they have infected the schools that your children go to.

bill jacobson is a professor at cornell law school. he started. this he joins us tonight. professor, thanks so much for coming on. you are a brave man even to criticize this highly fashionable deeply poisonous idea. but you're actually tracking it. why are you doing this? what are you found? >> hi, tucker. well, the reason i started to follow it was at cornell university where i teach in law school, they implemented a pushover the summer to embed what they call anti-racism ideology into every aspect of the campus. and as you know and have you explained on your show, anti-racism does not actually mean what people think it means. it actually is very racist. current discrimination in order to remedy past discrimination as the ideology. i saw this developing. i started to research it. i was going to write an op-ed or an article about it and then i realized it was almost everywhere. we began to gather the data. we are focused now on higher education because that's the

source of all of this. that's where the ideology developed and that's where people are trained. and we have created critical race.org, which is a database with an interactive map where people can find out what the colleges and universities to which they may be sending their children or their children may be going have going on. and it really is a full-fledged database. can you hover over the map. cuff click on your state. can you click on your school. we have 220 universities in the database now and we are expecting to expand it to 500. and you can find out what's going on. everything is sourced. everything is linked. and the database is actually neutral. it's just data. you can find out what's going on at schools. maybe you like it. maybe you want your children to be sent to a school where they get indoctrinated or maybe you are going to send them to a school where you don't know what's going on and this is a way to find out. >> tucker: it's amazing. and what a public service, by the way. i don't think anyone in good

faith could argue against more knowledge, which is what you are providing. what's the reaction been to this. >> the reaction so far has been overwhelmingly favorable. we just rolled it out this week. we have a tip line, a contact form, a lot of people have been submitting information about the universities and colleges. and, again, we only use publicly sourced information. this is what the colleges tell themselves. they love to talk about this stuff. they love to pat themselves on the back about this. but, it probably doesn't make it to their admissions brochures. and can you find this out at our website. it's been overwhelmingly favorable. i will tell you the one big reaction we have gotten is when you are going to do this for k through 12, because k through 12 is where a lot of the problems are happening now. i'm not sure when we are going to be able to rule out something like that. but a lot of parents were entering admission season. you are going to be looking at schools. don't just worry about what

athletic facilities they have. what the dining room serves. worry about whether your children are going to have to take mandatory courses and mandatory training in an ideology which, as have you indicated, it's the complete opposite of everything we have been taught to believe is good and just, which is to view people based on their inherent worth and their worthiness and not to pay attention to the skin tone color of them. but that's what's being taught on campuses is that the overwhelmingly most important thing in society is the color of your skin and everything derice from that. and you need to know and we're trying to empower parents and students. >> tucker: bless you for doing that some races are better than others. i thought we kind of settled the question about whether that was poison or not it. is poison it. will destroy your kids and wreck the country. thank you for fighting back. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: well, the world's most interesting congresswoman

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♪ >> tucker: america has been rivetted this week by the tale of a young congresswoman's harrowing brush at death insurrectionist. in case have you been in malawi or in federal prison here is the scarest part. >> i jumped into my bathroom and i closed the door. and i just keep hearing bang, bang, bang. i opened the door, when all of a sudden i hear that whoever was trying to get inside got into my office. and i just hear where is she? where is she? and this was the moment where i thought everything was over.

>> tucker: everything was over. as we said, harrowing. and actually can't really take credit for that description because that's exactly what the rest of the media said, too. harrowing. it's like that one three sill bell word acured to all of us at precisely the same moment. weird. watch. >> congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez has given a harrowing account of her experience on january 6th. >> a harrowing and emotional account of what happened to her during the capitol riot. >> it's one of the most harrowing accounts so far. >> congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez tell that harrowing story. >> the harrowing story of how she hid from attackers during the capitol riot. >> boom, boom, boom. will. >> disclosing new harrowing details. >> tucker: they have never met anyone so brave. what they don't know is that surviving the white nationalists coup d'etat on january 6th was merely sandy cortez's latest

feat of death defying bravery. for the congresswoman fleeing from her life of mob of bloodthirsty terrorists viking hat in washington a day at the office. she has been doing that kind of thing for years. it's what she does. back a long time ago when the america faced off against the lackst last outbreak of trumpest fascism she didn't pause. she put her bu on the hold and rose to the call. sandy joined the famed tuskegee air persons. she flew over 16,000 missions against the enemy. for her work saving democracy, sandy won the coveted victoria cross for gallantly uniform. once she returned a grateful nation returned its thanks for ticker tape parade. the job of defending democracy is never done. when we learn that our sacred american norms, yes, our norms, when we found that our norms faced a new and even more diabolical threat an election hacked by russian spies. lesser members of congress merely complained about it.

they held hearings and stuff. not sandy. she flew right to moscow and did something brave. here she is in the ring boxing, face to face with vladimir putin himself one bruising round, victory by knockout. but sandy didn't waste time celebrating with some fancy champagne party. back home her country needed her. thanks to climate change, america had to be knocked down and rebuilt completely from the ground up. older paler lawmakers infrastructure funds. those meant nothing to sandy. she got to work. here she is casually eating a healthy lunch on a steel girder high above city streets with fellow diverse working people friends as she constructed the lead certified empire state building. look carefully at that picture. not a harness or a net in sight. sometimes the need is so great there isn't time for safety. could sandy have fallen hundreds of stories to her death below while eating her kale and

portabella pitta. of course she could have. she didn't think about that not while millions of our must vulnerable continue to die in earthquakes caused by climate change. as sandy often says in instagram it's about priorities. her priority now is saving the human race from extinction not just the human race the animal race, too. sandy is no speciesist. within weeks, scientists tell us, central park will be crowded with millions of homeless sweating polar bears fleeing the melting ice caps up north. who will build the polar bears home? we think you know. everything we just showed you can be found on the internet and it is therefore true. unfortunately in this fallen world it is possible that unscrupulous white ring racist will attempt to undermine or mischaracterize with information some of these achievements. in case that happens, we encourage you to notify our donors at google and facebook and have those people silenced immediately. thank you. what happened to gamestop stock

last week wasn't just about wall street. it was a battle bigger than that. a battle about censorship and control of the economy. and it hasn't ended. one of the founders of paypal has thought a lot about the implications of what we have been watching. david sak's joins us after the break. ♪ ♪

>> tucker: president's son hunter biden has a new memoir coming out in april. pretty soon. simon and shuster says it will be heart felt. trace gallagher has that story for us. hey, trace. >> had it at the bottom of the screen beautiful thing. hunt's drug addiction. i come from a family forged by tragedies and bound by remarkable unbreakable love. here is the best part. it's being published by gallery books which is actually an imprint of simon and shuster. if you go back you will recall that's the same company that refused to publish senator josh

hawley's book. so the question now becomes how much will the president's son be getting for this book? well, sources now tell fox news it will be somewhere in the high six figures. the' same man accused of trying to profit off his father's name those accusations by the way the media refused to cover is now profiting off his father's name and everybody is covering it. and just for the record, hunter's finances remain under investigation by the department of justice. the word is he may need the extra money and for clarity, just a few months ago, hunter biden was trying to become an artist. he apparently has decided that being author is a lot more lucrative. tucker? >> tucker: probably right. trace gallagher, great to see you don't. thank you. >> yeah. >> tucker: so, as you recall, just last week people on reddit nearly bankrupted a very famous hedge fund. they did that by strategy hedge

funds used for years. shorted companies like game stop and drove them up for that purpose. now, of course, only hedge funds are allowed to manipulate the stock market so corporations turned to a familiar tool they censored the people on reddit. discord day traders of hate speech. and then there were questions around robinhood which was a service they used to conduct those trades. all of this is lessons for the rest of us he we are not financial experts. we are talking to someone now who is david sax technology entrepreneur very well known. co-founded paypal wrote a piece about the story find online plusing platform persuasion. we want 2025 you talk to him. david, thanks so much for coming on. >> hi, tucker. >> tucker: grounding in this world sufficient to draw informed conclusions about what happened and what it means for everybody else. what have you concluded? >> sure. well, tucker, you know, you have been warning about censorship and the slippery slope when people start to invoke censorship and i think we see it

here with discord. you have a case here where some wall street traders their message board was taken down. they weren't engaging in political speech at all. they were engaging in a plan to give these wall street predator as taste of their own medicine. because of that they were very threatening to the people in power and they were accused of hate speech and they were taken down. now, if you were to actually go into these message boards you wouldn't see hate speech you would see raunching speech but nothing too different than you would see on any trading floor or boiler room on wall street. all of a sudden these sort of titans on wall street are shocked shocked by the language that's going on here. look, this is a really good example, i think, when you strip away sort of partisan issues. you see that the real purpose of censorship is as a tool for the people in power to keep the outsiders out. >> tucker: i think that's really smart. so, when they invoke the phrase hate speech especially of all the phrases they use i think it's the scariest.

nobody wants to be thought of as a hater or using hate speech. that's an awful thing. that's not certainly how i feel. but what you are saying is they don't employ that in order to protect the weak. they use that phrase in order to protect the strong. >> yeah. exactly. i mean hate speech is a very mallable term. so the people who get to decide what it means, which is really always the issue with censorship is who decides who has that power is the people in power get to decide what it means. so, you know, you had a case here well, look, these message boards weren't set up for the purpose of organizing hate or even any political topic. they were organized to talk about a trade. and they, you know, figured out actually a plan that worked perfectly to execute a short squeeze. and these hedge funds lost $20 billion. so they were -- you know, in a lot of trouble on financial distress and they were looking for a way out. and so the way they found a way out was to go through these message boards. they screen shot any post that could plausiblably be characterized as hate speech.

they report it and then they get the site taken down. so this is kind of where the slippery slope of censorship goes. whenever outsiders become too threatening to powerful insiders, the insiders use censorship as a weapon. they weaponize these speech rules to prevent the threat. >> tucker: so you are making a very traditional liberal argument. i mean, you are saying what the aclu said for about 100 years, what, you know, gnat used to write about village boys. why aren't more people saying that now? do you think? more people in power with authority? >> well, it's a really good question, tucker. i think part of it is that a lot of the people in power are frankly threatened by these new social networks. so certainly the traditional media has been very upset with social networks and social media because it's a threat to their influence and business model. you certainly saw these wall street titans become very nervous that all of a sudden their control over the monopoly

board was threatened by these outsiders. thieves reddit kids. and so frankly the people in power don't have any reason to want to like social networks because social networks allow the large groups of outsiders to get together and so they accuse social networks ironically of being a threat to democracy but this isn't a threat. when you are talking about large numbers of people getting together to organize for change, that is democracy. that's not a threat to democracy. what it is is a potential threat to the people in power and that's why they don't like >> you are one of the people who built the internet we use and you are saying what people said 20 years ago. you are the only one still saying it, though, which is this is supposed to democratize things. no one else seems to believe that except for you. but i appreciate that. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: we appreciate you watching tonight. our hour is done. we are the only channel that

stands up for free speech in this moment. i hope that moment doesn't last long, but i guess that is what we are. we will be back. 8:00 p.m. every weeknight, the show that is the sworn enemy of lyon, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. and so, at 9:00 p.m. eastern, sean hannity takes over. >> sean: all right, talker, thank you, and welcome to "hannity." tonight, democrats have been in charge of congress, the white house, for just 16 days and as predicted, their vindictive radical extreme agenda is now taking center stage in that swamp. as we speak, the bite in the administration now is quickly implement jane aoc's insane green new deal agenda destroying tens of thousands of high paying jobs in the process all with the stroke of a pen signing now 47 executive orders and actions, which is over two and a half times more than obama, bush, and clinton combined. now, meanwhile, next week the u.s. senate is set to hold