get benefit from this kind of thing. that is it from me. we will be back tomorrow night at 7:00. but do not fear, the one and only tucker carlson, he's here. right here. right now. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." it's funny how change happens. you thought the big change came on election day. that is when the incumbent president lost. but that turned out to be nothing compared to the change that came two months later. on january 6, supporters of donald trump swarmed the capitol building. some forced their way inside. washington has never been the same. it may never be the same. as a result of what happened on january 6, your descendants will live in a different country. it was a pivot point in our history looking back. some in congress compared that day to 9/11. thenate majority leader chuck

schumer likened it to pearl harbor, the day that spurred america's entry in the second world war. every day we hear new and more floured comparisons from the democratic partisans but last night, cnn outdid all of them. chernobyl? the irish potato famine? no. what happened on january 6 was worse than any of that. it was cnn said like the rwandan genocide. >> the idea of "otherwising" people is something we saw in the last few years. we've seen it over decades but easy to otherwise them, make them over than american, other than patriotic and other than human. we have seen it bosnia and rwanda where the radio was, the hutu was telling the radio listeners that the hutus are cockroaches to get them genned up for genocide. >> tucker: the ra wan dan genocide -- ra wandanienicide.

millions of people were died. towns were set afire and crushed alive by bulldozers. hundreds of thousands of women were raped. one of the most horrifying crime in human history. how does a country recover from something like that, from a genocide? you punish the guilty quickly and severely. in our case, you impeach him. then, this is more important, you set about reordering your society from top to bottom to make sure that nothing like that happens again. so you purge the military. you suspend basic civil liberties. to emphasize the point, you send troops to the capitol. you tear down the old and destroy vestiges of the past to save the future. that is what is going on now. hold on. before we remake america to prevent future genocide at the capitol maybe we should know more about the crime on january 6 if only to understand the justification to overturn our lives

permanently. what happened that day? simple question. you may be surprised to learn how little we know now. it's remarkable how many of the basic questions remain unanswered more than a month after the fact. let's start with the headline of the day. five americans died on the capitol grounds on january 6. you have heard that. you here it incessantly, including from the republican office holders. five dead. but it doesn't tell you much. it's the details as always that matter. who were the people? and how did they die? that is how you understand what happened. so here are the facts as of tonight. four of the five that day that day were trump supporters. the fifth was a capitol hill police officer who also supported trump. why is this relevant? the political views of the deceased shouldn't matter. but unfortunately in this case they do. alexandria ocasio-cortez and many other elected democrats claim the mob was coming for them that day. if the only recorded casualties on january 6 were

people who voted for donald trump. the first among them was the 34-year-old woman from georgia called roseann boyland. they first announced she died of "medical emergency" but later video showed she may have been trampled by the crowd. we are not sure. that is the best death. the second casualty 55-year-old kevin griesen who died of heart failure talking to his wife on a cell phone outside the capitol. kevin had a his torrey of high blood pressure, his wife later said. in the midst of the excitement he suffered a heart attack." the third was the 50-year-old benjamin phillips of ring town, pennsylvania. trump supporter who organized a bus trip that day and died of a stroke on the grounds of the capitol. no evidence that phillip rioted or was injured by rioters or went inside the capitol building. the fourth person to die, the only person to die of the intentional violence of ashli

babbitt. the military veteran from san diego who was wearing a trump cape shot to death by a capitol hill police lieutenant. babbitt's death caught on video and it's the best documented death that took place that day. it's surprising how little we know about it. babbitt was shot as she tried to crawl through a broken window to the speaker's lobby in the capitol. that is essentially the extent of what we know. authorities have refused to release the name of the man who shot her or divulge any details of the investigation they say they have done. we may never know why this unnamed capitol hill police officer took her life. according to that officer's attorney, "there is no way to look at the evidence and think that he is anything but a hero." of course we can't look at that evidence because they are withholding it. and we can't even know his identity. killing an unarmed woman may be justified under certain specific circumstances but since when is it "heroic"? when the dead won read qanon

websites? one republican congressman from oklahoma said he hugged the officer who shot ashli babbitt. "you did what you had to do," the congressman said. but did the officer really have to do that? we don't know. it would be nice to know. maybe someone could ask. we know ashli babbitt was not holding a weapon when she was killed. nevertheless, at the hearing this week, the congressman described what happened at the capitol as armed insurrection. watch. >> congressman: he incited armed angry mob to riot. inciting armed insurrection against the united states government, an armed angry and dangerous crowd, armed violence against a government of the united states of america. >> tucker: he is a former mafia lawyer from providence. there are no reports to the rioters that day discharging weapons or threatening anyone with a gun so what is he talking about?

apparently he is referring to the death of officer brian sicknick. in the hours after the riot the sometime reported that trump supporters brutally beaten officer sicknick to death with a fire extinguisher. the fire extinguisher apparently is the deadly weapon. the "armed" in the armed insurrection. the news of sicknick's death by violence picked up by countless other media outlets. cable television repeated and amplified it. >> officer brian sicknick dayed after being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher in the hours' long attack. >> thaw beat a capitol police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. >> he died after being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher in the fight. >> died at the age of 42 after he was bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher. >> tucker: capitol hill police officer beaten to death with a fire extinguisher by a white supremecist mob. horrifying. that is the story they were telling and story they still have telling.

that account forms the basis of the myth that the democrats constructed around january 6. sicknick's remains lay in state at the capitol building. streams of politicians, the same people months before had told us that cops were racist by definition, the same people praised brian sicknick as a hero. they had finally found a police officer who served their political uses. kamala harris and her husband for example arrived to pay their respects and as they did they said not one thing about defunding police. but, in fact, the story they told was a lie. from beginning to end. officer sicknick was not beaten to death. not with a fire extinguisher or anything else. according to exhaustive and fascinating new analysis on "revolver news" there is no evidence he was hit with a fire extinguisher at any point during the day. none. no video. nothing. the officer's body apparently bore no signs of trauma. in fact on the night of january 6, long after rioters at the capitol had been arrested or disbursed, brian

sicknick texted his brother from his office. according to his brother he said he had been pepper sprayed twice and he was in good shape. 24 hours later, officer brian sicknick was dead. how did officer sicknick die? the head of the capitol police union said he had a stroke. no cause given. more than that, we still don't know. sicknick's body was cremated immediately and the authorities refused to release the autopsy and no one has been charged in his death and no charges are pending. whatever happened to brian sicknick was tragic. obviously. but it was obviously very different than what they told us. they have lied about how he died. they have lied about a lot. for example, how did the riot start? was it a spontaneous event incited by a reckless president on the way out in a fit of vicious peak? that is one version of the story. or was the riot long planned? was it a conspiracy? that another version of the story. both cannot be true. this weekend, the former chief of the capitol hill police stephen sund claimed in a

letter to nancy pelosi there was no intelligence suggesting that a riot might be imminent at the capitol. ape apparently the "washington post" has better sources than chief sund does. days after the 6th the newspaper said it was well known that the group of trump supporters headed to the city to cause trouble. the f.b.i. almost easternly knew this. the fed probably had paid informers in the ranks of the protesters. one of the rioters we learned yesterday was a former f.b.i. employee. was he still on the f.b.i. payroll? he wouldn't the first. so if the authorities knew that violence might be coming to the capitol, where was the necessary security? it wasn't there. in fact, the response of law enforcement on the scene that day is baffling the more deeply you look into it. in some publicly available videos, capitol hill police seem to be all but inviting rioters in the building. here is one example. >> i want you to go home. go. go. let's go! get this [bleep]!

>> go! >> break that down. break that down. [bleep] >> tucker: so what does all of this mean exactly? we are not sure what it means and we are not going to speculate. we know for certain that the known facts of what happened on january 6 deviate in very important ways from the story they are now telling us, including the story they told us today in the impeachment hearing. in many faces the known facts bear no resemblance to the story they are telling. they are just flat-out lying. no question about that. the question is why would they lie about this? for an answer think back to last spring. beginning on memorial day, b.l.m. and the sponsors in corporate america completely changed this country. they changed this country more in five months than it changed in the previous 50 years. how did they do that? they used the sad death of a man called george floyd to up-end our society.

months later we learned that the story they told us about george floyd's death was an utter lie. there was no physical evidence that george floyd was murdered by a cop. the autopsy showed that george floyd almost certainly died of a drug overdose. fentanyl. but by that point the facts didn't matter. it was too late. cities had been destroyed with the fabric of this country itself. scores of people had been killed. democratic partisans used a carefully concocted myth, a lie, to bum-rush america to overturn the old order and handing them much more power. it worked flawlessly. so why wouldn't they do it again? joining us from los angeles is a man who watched all of this happen, the radio show host and the all-around great observer and analyst and man, larry elder. it's great to see you tonight. >> thank you for having me, tunnelinger. tucker. i appreciate it. >> it's hard not to feel -- i'm not alleging conspiracy because it is happening in

plain sight but hard not to feel like historic event, january 6, which no person would defend, is used by the political partisans to gather more power to themselves and the rest of us are letting it happen. >> everything you said about needing more facts is rational, reasonable and irrelevant because donald trump has been impeached twice and now standing the second impeachment trial for the unpardonable capitol felony of being donald trump. the left thinks that donald trump itself is a crime scene. look at the characters involved in the play. maxine waters. everybody knows maxine waters urged supporters to threaten donald trump cabinet members and said push back on them. surround them, form a crowd. let them know they are not welcome anywhere, anymore. forget about that. this is a woman who wrote a letter to fidel castro when congress passed a resolution urging castro to send back to america a woman who had murdered a new jersey trooper, broke out of prison and pled to cuba.

maxine waters writes castro a letter and likens her to a freedom fighter. a former black panther and said the only reason she was prosecuted is she was persecuted for the political beliefs and urged castro to keep this woman and she remains there as we speak. chuck schumer, of course, is going to vote to convict president trump. chuck schumer often played the race card when asked if donald trump is racist, he said well, he has said racist things. 1974, a young upcoming ambitious politician named chuck schumer met with racist neighbors in an area in new york called "flat bush." there were two buildings that had black tenants. they weren't causing any problems, they weren't committing any crimes but the racist neighbors wanted them out. the young schumer met with the neighbors and said, "look, here is what i'll do. vote for me and i will introduce a measure to renovate the buildings. they will have a right of first refusal, of course. make them so nice they won't

be able to afford to come back." voila! he introduced a scheme to do that. unfortunately for schumer and the racist neighbors the blacks were able to come back with the money to move back in the dings that were nicer than the one they left. the man attending the meeting is jay homnick for "american spectator" and he wrote about it in 2006. i interviewed him several times over the years on my radio show. i asked him has anybody in the "new york times" or "washington post" asked about this? he said no. the media are completely uninterested in this racist scheme to purge a new york neighborhood in 1974 of black people. 1974 is a long time ago. i will give you that. but that is the same time that donald trump, a young donald trump entered into a decent decree to discontinue practices against the black and brown renters and that is often cited as a reason for trump's alleged racism. around the same time chuck schumer introduced a scheme to

purge a neighborhood of black people and nobody gives a damn. this is the double standard we have been up against for years. i am sick of it. i am sick of it. the characters involved in getting rid of donald trump, impeaching him and now convicting him have done hor riching things and the media could not care less. who writes a letter in castro? who in 1974 introduces a plan to get rid of black people? who does that? media indifferent. >> tucker: hard to take a moral lecture from these people. i completely agree. they win because they scream louder and they are more aggressive. it's totally true. larry elders, great to see you. >> thank you for the time. i appreciate it. >> tucker: thank you. so mark cuban is a billionaire. mark cuban is not a genius. you think it would make him grateful for america. country where geniuses, people who are not geniuses can make $1 billion. but it's not. he is not grateful. he is just announced that his nba team is no longer playing the national anthem. so you are not going to hear it anymore.

that is how much he dislikes the country that made him rich. we have details after the break.

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that is why according to mark cuban the non-genius billionaire it's fine for china to commit genocide. they are good customers, says mark cuban. when mark cuban hears the united states national anthem, he takes a different position. he is disgusted by it and he wants to take a knee. that is how awful this country is. >> if they were taking a knee and be respectful, i'd be proud of them. i'd join them. i think we have learned a lot since 2017. we have evolved as a country. this is a unique point in time where we can grow as a society, we can grow as a country and become more more inclusive. >> tucker: this week in the name of inclusivity and making china happy -- by the way, if you include people it almost always means excluding them. he decided that the national anthem can no longer be played before any home game in dallas. the nba initially supported the decision but this afternoon the nba changed its mind. the league released a statement "all teams will play the national anthem in keeping with the long-standing league

policy." will caine co-host of the "fox & friends weekend." and we are happy to have him on. good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: the nba could say it's not long-standing policy, we appreciate the country where our sport was invented and sustain us. why not take a chance to defend america in the face of the attack on it? >> because that would be unfashionable. the fashionable point of view and the one that mark cuban adopted because perhaps his employees or employers hold the point of view but a radical point of view that america is defined by the original sin of slavery and the racism. it's fashionable to believe the symbols the flag and national anthem are politically divisive. we know that is not true. most people know it's not true. united states is a unique experiment in human history and defined by as spir ration and the goals and the documents like the constitution.

we know those are the unifying elements, unifying symbols but mark adopted this idea and it's totally dictated by the terms of the left that the united states, the symbols are divisive, that we see the worst in america and we must cancel all of the symbols that the rest of us see as the aspirations and the unifying factors. that is why they won't take a principled stand. >> tucker: i think that is really smart and nicely expressed. those symbols amount to the culture and the culture is the only thing that unites us. without a common culture, what do we have at that point? >> right. i will tell you something more than that. part of the culture is sports. i love sports, tucker. you know anything about me i came from the world of sports and i believe it brings us together across ratio and social economic barriers. we arbitrarily root for ridiculous jerseys and laundry we grew up around. i am coming to you live from dallas. i'm from the area and i'm a

life-long maverick fan. i suffered through the '70s and i celebrated the dirk years. i'm excited about luke doncic. i'm a true heart-felt fan of the dallas mavericks. if you make me choose between the united states of america and the mavericks it will not be a hard choice. >> tucker: nicely put. will, good to see you tonight. thank you for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: of course, mark cuban and the other decadent moron like him is always invited on the show to explain his point of view. joe biden is pushing to raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. that may help some of the people who get raised wages. it will definitely hurt others. according to the congressional budget office a $15 minimum wage would eliminate almost 1.5 million jobs and increase the federal deficit dramatically. neil patel thought a lot about the topic and he wrote a column about it and publisher of "daily caller" and he joins us to assess. neil, thank you for coming on.

economic arguments aside it does seem like the minimum wage is popular in general with the public and this is likely to happen. given who controls congress. given that, what is the wise way do you think to raise the minimum wage? >> tucker, thank you for having me. if you are going to have a minimum wage it doesn't make any sense to have it the same in every location in america. it costs more than twice as much to live in manhattan as it does in a small town in kansas. and there is no earthly reason both of places should have the same minimum wage. similarly, it doesn't make any sense to have the same minimum wage for the huge multinational companies with thousands of employees and billions of dollars in profits as it does for say the deli on the corner of your block at home. deli owner is probably working in his own store and he may want a few hours off in the afternoon and bring in a high school kid. the concept of, the let's concept of a livable wage, i think it's much easier to

apply that to a walmart or target than to the deli guy. yet, we don't. we have one minimum wage applying in every place for every business. it makes zero sense. >> tucker: could it have something to do who donates to which political party? it seems like the big businesses would be in favor of a higher minimum wage if they thought it would drive the competitors out of business. >> so the huge multinational companies that dominate washington and the policy debates are actually mostly for minimum wage increase. the retailers, the big retailers like target, walmart, amazon, they are definitely in for it. they are publicly in favor of it. it's because it crushes their small business competitors. they can afford it. they are already mostly paying $15 an hour wage. >> tucker: right. >> they know that the ones they compete with, the small town businesses can't afford it. so, that is another reason why, you know, why doesn't washington call the bluff? how about $20 or more on the

huge multinationals or $10 or less on small business in the corner? >> tucker: i mean, this is pretty much the last thing after a year of the covid and riots that small businesses need right now. is it not? >> it's the last thing small businesses need. the last thing our country needs. i don't know if you saw the stats today. 60% of the people involved in the capitol hill riots had gone through extreme economic hardship recently. meaning bankruptcysies, massive credit, layoffs. so the problems we are having in the economy especially in the small business sector where small businesses just lost 30% of the revenue this year and 30% of the small businesses closed down, washington needs to start looking at this and coming up with more innovative policies than ones only aligned with the big business agenda. >> tucker: such a smart point that i have heard from nobody else. $30 minimum wage for amazon warehouse workers. no minimum wage for the dry cleaner on the block. i love that. neil, i appreciate you coming

on tonight. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: well, you may have thought that once the coronavirus vaccine arrived you could visit your elderly relatives who are locked away in the hospital or a nursing home. but no, our public health expert want you to know that the vaccine does not mean you are getting your freedom back. just the opposite. straight ahead.

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live from america's news headquarters i'm trace gallagher. the first full day of the arguments in the second impeachment trial against former president trump just wrapped up on capitol hill. house impeachment managers presented previously unseen security video from the january 6 attack. it shows just how close the mob got to senators and vice president mike pence. trump's legal defense team that claims the trial is unconstitutional will get a chance to make their arguments later this week. to convict trump on the single charge of inciting an insurrection, 17 republicans

would have to join all the democrats. mean time in other news, "hustler" magazine founder and the first amendment rights advocate larry flint has died. his nephew says he died of heart failure at the hollywood hills home and he was 78 years old. when the news breaks out, we will break in. i'm trace gallagher. now back to "tucker carlson tonight." >> tucker: you thought the coronavirus vaccine would change your life. you thought for example you could finally see your elderly relatives but the goal posts have moved again. northwestern medical school professor called june mccoy told n.p.r. this week your parents should stay isolated until we achieve herd immunity. mccoy warned -- we are quoting -- "you still pose a clear and present danger to the parents despite the vaccine." dr. marc siegel is medical contributor and we're happy to have him join us to assess this. good to see you. >> good to see you. when you move the goal post

hope is replaced by despair. public health needs to be consistent. a lot of the emphasis were put on the vaccines which is why i'm really glad to see dr. mitch katz of all people who is the c.e.o. of the health and the hospitals corporations right here in failing new york city, the right arm of mayor bill de blasio say on monday at a press conference hey, this vaccine, i'm extremely excited about it. it works. and it's the way back. he said it's the way back. he also said my 98-year-old father i think and my 93-year-old mother are now going to take visitors from their children. i was so happy to see that, tucker. especially when you consider what is public health anyway? it's an overall cost, isn't it? there was a big study out of boston in september that said that the 25% of americans are suffering from clinical depression. that means that 75 or 100% of americans that is you and me and everyone have some anxiety

or depression and it is permeating us not to have hope. this vaccine meant hope. i have to admit something to you tonight that i'm embarrassed to admit. last spring, as you know, my parents had covid-19. but when they came back to new york, i was permeated with the fear, too. i met them on the porch. i was afraid to come too close. even though i knew they were immune. i knew they were immune and i knew i could come close. wear my mask and come close. but i was afraid more than a ten-minute visit. i'm happy to report tonight my father has had the vaccine, my mother has had the vaccine, i have had the vaccine. tucker, hey, dad, i'm hopping on a plane and i'm coming to see you. i will wear my mask but i am coming to see you. tucker? >> tucker: have a great reunion. dr. siegel, good to see you tonight. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: well, according to some of the public health experts, everything that happens, good or bad, is more proof that we need more lockdowns. coronavirus cases go up, we need more lockdowns. if they go down, you know what

that means? more lock downturns. that is science. >> we have seen this before. metrics improve, roll back restrictions, two weeks later the cases spike. what goes through your mind when you see the states roll back restrictions right now? are we in the clear? >> no, this is such a bad idea. who slows down once you break in to the lead? it makes zero sense. >> tucker: hmm. so the biden administration is taking this advice seriously. instead of reopening all of the schools right now as the science calls for, the white house has a new plan. they are promising that in a few months about 50% of the schools will be open. by "open" they mean for one day a week. well, if that sounds terrible for kids, just relax. that is how science works. sometimes you have to make it up as you go along out of nothing. for example, a year today, a year in the pandemic, the c.d.c. declared that everyone should be wearing two masks. so if you are only wearing one, you are a science denier. they know this routine well, the author of "unreported

truths about the covid-19 and the lockdowns part three: masks." he joins us tonight from undisclosed location. great to see you tonight. you have been calling for the schools to reopen on the basis of the actual science for quite some time and what do you make of where we are now? >> it is, it is absurd. it's been obvious since last may really. arguably late april that the schools should be open. in places like australia, they were talking about reopening schools that early. the biden plan is ridiculous. it actually is a step back believe it or not from where we are right now. the reason joe biden doesn't want to call for an immediate reopening of schools is he knows he can't do it. donald trump tried that and he failed. donald trump was not beholden to the teachers union so it didn't cost him anything except embarrassingment, i guess, or -- embarrassment, i guess or just showed he couldn't do it. for biden he will anger the

con touch whensy and -- constituency and he will look week. weak. so he has metrics that can't be met and every day that goes by is another day that tens of millions of kids don't get socialized and don't see the friends, don't get, you know, potentially out of abusive homes. >> tucker: i have to ask you something. i can't control myself. about you specifically. you have been on the show for almost a year. i never asked your politics. you used to work on the "new york times." you are a novellest. i assume you are a democrat but i never asked. don't answer. you talked science for a year on the show. because of that people have been started to be mad at you. you are also a novelist. tell me what effect has speaking out about what the data tell you had on your life. i can't resist to ask you. >> so, tucker, the data -- listen, i wrote a book that came out yesterday. that book called "the power couple."

it's a novel. it has nothing to do with covid. i wrote it before covid in 2018-2019. i can't get anybody to cover that book. the "new york times," all the places that cover all the previous novembers that i wrote for the last -- previous novels that i wrote for 15 years won't cover it. i can only surprise because they don't like what i'm saying about covid, that i am not on the train. that i point out the problem with masks and i have been talking about the question if the vaccines are efficacious as the clinical data made it seem. all the stuff that is science-based they don't like it. so they can't hit at me because i don't work for them anymore. but they can prevent me getting publicity for "the power couple." i haven't. it hurts me a little bit. but i'm a big boy and those are the rules of the game. we'll move on and i will keep telling the truth. >> tucker: i hope maybe sometime you will take your ample energies and think through and write a book on what this is act. how did science get so political? why did quoting studies make

you persona non grata in parts of the country? i think it would be interesting to hear about that. good luck. >> yes, my next book will be nonfiction. i can tell you that. >> tucker: good. congrats on the novel. good to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: well, women's rights, the most basic rights like to be acknowledged as females are under attack in this country. but what we are seeing is not unprecedented. it has happened before and happening in europe on a large scale. our next guest has seen it and knows what it and she will join us next to explain it.

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if we do, why do you think it's happening? >> it's happening because people elected to manage immigration in europe have failed to do that. elected officials have pretended that they were managing immigration but they weren't. there are large numbers of people that are coming from the middle east, from african, from south asia. most of them are young men and when they come to europe, they behave in exactly the same ways that they behave toward their own women. elected officials pretend there is a policy when there isn't. women are affected and other minority groups, like

homosexualities. the subject of my book "prey" focuses on the women's issue but the real truth is that sexual violence against women and especially, tucker, against women who live in low-income neighborhoods are affected more than other women. that is why the whole #metoo movement hasn't gone there. this is a story of incompetence, incompetence of the elected official snooze. >> tucker: some of the officials in scandinavia for if lied about what is happening. is that to cover their own mistake or sins? why do they do that? >> not all countries are the same. some countries like denmark say we have a problem and we have to do something about it and work on the integration. they say "integration" that really means spelling out.

there is such a thing as the national identity and national values. here is how we treat our women. if you are coming from some other country and you have a different attitude to women, we are happy to invest in programs where we can teach you and we want to make you part of the society. if you fail to do that, there will be consequences. there are basket cases like sweden where they are not doing that. it's not just scandinavia, it's wider europe. there have are areas in france -- there are areas in france, germany, united kingdom. any country that has had a substantial number of the immigrants from the muslim majority countries where you are seeing the neighborhoods that have become women-free zones. the women-free zones are mainly working class, you know, women who are affected in this way. and first, it was immigrant women. and we have had this debate and the activism and it took

quite a bit of time to convince the people and say you know what? female genital mutilation and child marriage. we look at how they were affected but now all women are affected in the public space but it's mainly working class women. so it's really, really the big picture story is that our elected officials in europe a really failing to manage the migration, the large movement of people. and we are not having those conversations. and here we are. >> tucker: i hope that your book will start that conversation. i appreciate your bravery and your honesty. thank you very much. congrats on that book. "prey." >> tucker, thank you very much for having me. >> tucker: pete buttigieg is little but he is deep. he is a man with deep thoughts. now that he is the secretary of transportation, the nation's roads and railways

are like the pen and paper of his mind. he has given new insights. we'll share them with you, if you can handle them. that's straight ahead.

>> announcer: now deep thoughts with mayor pete. >> it's not a sizzling glamorous issue but the shape of our democracy is the issue that affects every other issue. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: that was the elfin pete buttigieg, professional barack obama impersonator, former mayor of south bend. that was him in february. the rest of the world did not recognize the insight at the time but now we did. the world has caught up with what is going on inside his head. pete buttigieg is the secretary of the transportation now. the most coveted job among the best and brightest. the mckenzie alums want it.

already secretary pete transporting to us another world where everyone is free to walk in the middle of the highway. >> what is the biggest way that transportation has been permanently changed by the pandemic? >> it's too soon to know for sure but i think it's safe to say that the old patterns of life, the 9:00 to 5:00 monday through friday commuting patterns are not going to be exactly the same. >> how might it change what your staff does? >> you know we think "planes, trains and automobiles" but what about bike, scooters or wheelchairs for that matter? >> things you plan to pay attention to? >> yeah. roads are not only for vehicles. we have to make sure, that pedestrians, bicycles, businesses can coexist on the same roadway. >> tucker: that is right. it's not just for vehicles. businesses are on there, too. mark steyn joins us. what do you think of this? >> mark: he was appreciate. it turns out that the democracy was not as shapely

as it ought to have been so i'm with him on that. what he means here i have no idea. i assume somewhere in the back of his mind he is thinking i-95 could be turned into a wheelchair plant for the seniors from the cuomo blood soaked old folks home that are fleeing new york for florida. that would be a transformative idea for a young cabinet minister trying to make the mark at the department of transportation. that would be great. i'm in favor of that. >> tucker: so a.d.a. accessible interstate highways, that's the future? >> mark: yeah. yeah. i think so. what he wants -- i mean in some states; such as, vermont you have bicycle lanes down the middle of town roads. why not have that also on interstate highways? bike pathization of america. he is on to it. >> tucker: that is so deep. mark steyn as always, great to see you.

we'll be back tomorrow. thank you, mark. 8:00 p.m. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and group think. sean hannity is next. have a great night. ♪ ♪ >> sean: and this is a fox news alert. welcome to "hannity." tonight the unconstitutional shift sham show, impeachment charade continues to drag on in the u.s. senate. if you haven't been watching the proceedings, you did not miss much. so far, house impeachment managers played a heavily edited clip of president trump from january 6. and, of course, they can conveniently left out the part when he told the crowd that you will peacefully, patriotically let your voices be heard. the impeachment managers want you to believe that it wasn't just the president's january 6 speech that incited the "insurrection." their favorite word today. now they were arguing