>> bret: we will follow the latest. thank you for the breaking news as the administration gets an iranian deal started, that's it for this "special report," fair, balanced, and still unafraid. "fox news primetime" hosted this week by katie pavlich starts right now. hi, katie. >> katie: thank you, bret. good evening, welcome to "fox news primetime," i am katie pavlich. tonight the ban plays on, sort of. florida high school students returning to school and ban practice being ordered to play their instruments while zipped up inside tiny tents. just when you thought it was hard enough to play the tuba. this is actually happening, this is life and what has become a permanent pandemic, the left calls it our new normal where we ignore the science in favor of putting on a show. it is possible to quantify whether these kids are significantly safer playing their instruments from inside a tent, but one thing is clear,

the virus virtue signaling is a very real and is not going away. it's getting worse. every day because no one is pushing back. this cannot and should not be our new normal. there is no normal until every business, bar, and school are fully opened and we are free to attend them without masks. we will get there eventually with herd immunity, widespread action and mitigation techniques, and we should not accept anything at less. but there are plenty of people, many of them running our schools and teacher unions who have no problem with this. they are totally satisfied staying home and teaching a virtual zumba class. to some of them admitting that out loud that they do not want to go back to business as usual ever. >> there really is so much that i feel like we do virtually, but perhaps the focus right now should be on reimagining what education looks like in the future instead of wasting time

trying to force us all back to normal. when we all know that normal never really worked for all students to begin with. >> katie: let's break that down for a second, she said that there is so much i feel like i can do virtually. well, lady, it's not about you, it's about the students and if they weren't effectively learning from you when things were normal, then the problem is with you. and look at, it's true that the old way of educating was not perfect for every student, but it was significantly better than what we are working with now. just ask the kid playing the tuba in the tent, did anyone ask him how he feels about his new normal. in virginia failing grades are skyrocketing up to 83% overall. and worse among students with learning disabilities and for whom english is a second language. but some teachers like this one in rossville county maryland don't seem to care. >> it is enough. we will not sacrifice our lives.

endangering our students for what? test scores? keep the school shut. >> katie: this is not the first time we have heard that a free babysitter's talking public school teachers and i doubt it will be the last, but it does not matter if it is on a private zoom call or screamed into a bullhorn, the point is wrong. they are not unpaid babysitters, in fact they are paid by you through property taxes, of hardworking americans and other tax funding. public school is not free, and hate, teachers, you signed up to do a job, you are paid to do that job. it is unacceptable that you demand to be paid for services not rendered in a different industry if somebody ran your credit card took your money and gave you a terrible product or never gave you one at all, you would want your money back. maybe he would sue or have them arrested for fraud, but you can't call the better business bureau on the teachers union, that's not how the system works, so what happens when parents

fight back, you guessed it, they must be white supremacist. >> the teachers and the parents -- >> we don't have to give anybody anything! we don't have to do anything that we don't want to do right now, that's what you don't understand. >> that seems like a white supremacist ideology to force people to comply with -- i don't want to be a part of forcing anybody to do what they don't want to do. that's what slavery is. >> katie: people have discussed how the pandemic has disproportionately affected black and brown people in america, they are right, keeping schools close for a black and brown students. the failing grades are up 63 percent from last year. it hurts women too, millions of women have exited the workforce bringing female participation to the lowest level in more than 30 years. anyone arguing to keep schools close is clearly not putting the

interests of women or minorities first. the solution to this problem is school choice. choice to allow teachers to not be held hostage by their unions, choice for parents to send their children to schools outside their zip codes if their teachers refused to work, and choice to use their tax money to actually educate their children instead of forking them over to the teachers union monopoly. here to respond, alex berenson, former "new york times" reporter and author of unreported truths about covid-19 and lockdowns, thank you for being here tonight. so first i have to get your reaction to ban kids playing their instruments inside tents. >> you know, some of the stuff is funny and some of it is serious, so that is silly, but the rest that you talked about not in your intro was not silly at all. it is a pleasure to be on with you. i am in orlando as it happens, tomorrow i am speaking at cpac about the free press and the

first amendment and the irony that the place that i used to work is calling for fox news to bd platform. i never would've thought when i worked at the times that i would be on fox taking the side of fox against the times, but here i am. but one thing that your monologue reminded me of actually is it is not just schools, okay, look at the great divide right now in what parts of the united states have open and what haven't, so the legal system has not reopened, libraries and a lot of them are barely open. if you get paid by taxpayer dollars, you don't go back to work. that's what it is right now. and if you have to make a living as a business man or women in your you are working in retail or you are a private garbage all her or work at a gas station, if you have to go back to work, you are back at work. but if you can depend on the government taxpayer who had no choice but to fund you, then you have 100,000 excuses why you don't have to do your job the way you used to.

>> katie: that brings us back to the permanency of this, they are certain types of people who have certain taxpayer-funded salaries who have the ability to engage in this permanent pandemic where they don't have to do the same thing that everybody else has to do and they are backed up by the left and congress, they are backed up by teachers unions, they are backed up by advocates of the left who don't believe that, people who are advocating that these public health measures stay intact forever and ever and ever. so what about that permanency and where it is coming from? >> you are right, what they are not backed up is by any science and data, i am in florida, and the schools have been close in september, basically a little bit of mitigation, but they have really been open. and there is evidence that pediatric cases are upward teachers are dying more frequently, ron desantis, the governor has push that. he is totally correct, because that's what the data says. so it's clear at this point that this is not a scientific issue at all. i think that there may be some

legitimate fear amongst some poorly educated teachers about this, but it's about the teachers union trying to use this as a bargaining chip, and i don't know how -- i mean, look. if this were a national union and our schools were run nationally and we had a president who would stand up to the union, what you would say is you are going back to school. if you don't want to go back, you get fired. we can't do that in the united states, that's not the system we have good so you have to drag the teachers along kicking and screaming and find ways to bribe them illegally with paid vacation or the stress of teaching in person, this is the reality, they have a lot of political tout, nothing to do a science or medicine. >> katie: they are bribing the taxpayer and the biden administration by demanding $1.9 trillion relief package after of course they jump to the vaccination line, and even then it is not enough. but it's not the issue, the issue of choice. there are a number of amazing

teachers who are in the risk category that stood up at council meetings and said, look, i am in the risk category, but i am paid to do a job and i need to get back to work, because we are essential. in the teachers unions are arguing with extortion and blackmail are more than happy to take money from taxpayers, property taxes that those people can't take and pay a tutor to come to their house or private school, there is no refunds for the taxpayers when it comes to the teachers union monopoly. >> that's right, there are kids who have lost a whole year. and i've said this many times, it's terrible for children, especially poor children who might be in homes where there is abuse happening or neglect happening, they are not being seen. and their lives are getting worse every day. and we have totally failed them, and these teachers, i mean, you are right, there are lots of good teachers out there, but as a body, the teachers union has failed, and i don't know how they can sleep at night, honestly. >> katie: thank you so much and good luck at cpac this

weekend, it is always a fun time. enjoy. here now, former michigan candidate john james. so great to see you. >> thank you for having me back on. >> katie: you have always been an advocate for school choice, what you have been watching over the last few months with the teachers union and how they are behaving, what is your reaction? >> my understanding of school choices that you give parents the ability to send their children wherever is safest and most successful. i went public schools to be successful and private schools, charter schools and home schooling. in fact through the nickel promise on our campaign we gave a nickel for every dollar we raise to help people in need, we have given $10,000 to a homeschooling network in the city of detroit, so that people can help their own children and those in their community to learn through this pandemic. it is about using our blessings and blessing others, and our kids need to get back to school. >> katie: in terms of the teachers union, we had a bunch of stats in the open about who the school closings are affecting the most, you had

senator rand paul a year ago in may saying this is going to affect minority and poor and disabled children the most coming in here we are so many months later with everything still being closed, what is your response to that? >> absolutely, and some of the people making these decisions still have black lives matter yard signs in their lawn and they are perpetuating the worst racially divided educational system since the jim crow era all over the country. this is something that is a basic civil right that is being violated. not just of black children, but of all children, but black children are disproportionately negatively affected. make no mistake, our education system was far from perfect before the pandemic, and places like detroit, the literacy level was far below, far below the national average. in fact, our state had to settle with former students who believe, and i agree that literacy is a basic civil right. i believe in a quality education

is a basic civil rights and anyone who stands in the way of that should be held accountable. >> katie: what about the teacher in california who was arguing that those who want children to go back to school to engage in their civil rights and be able to be educated and learn how to read and be able to compete not just with their peers, but the rest of the world, now lay bailing as a white supremacist way of forcing people to do something that they don't want to do, i find that extremely unhelpful, not just as a talking point, but their real conflict issues with that kind of language. >> i hate racism in all of its forms. and it does not know color, when somebody is lumping somebody into a category because of the color of their skin, that is racism. i believe that right now, this is not a matter of democrat or republican, it is a matter of policies that work and policies that don't. it's a matter of what is best for her children and what is not. right now what is best for her children according to the cdc

and science is in person education, right now we are in a situation where truancy is at an all-time high, achievement at an all-time low, and if you can't read, you can't work. if you can't stay and learn, you are going to set entire generations back with no answer. to safely and sensibly opening is the democrat version of repeal and replace, when you hear that from officials, they have no plan, and they have no plan because they are afraid of being wrong, and they are free to being wrong because they care more about being reelected than they care about our children's futures, they should be held accountable. >> katie: do you think that there will be any backlash? because he had teachers unions arguing that they are essential, but when they are asking the essential workers to get back inside the classroom they are refusing in a lot of ways. so our parents are looking at different options. do you think that that could be something that is permanent? >> well, i believe again, that this racially disproportionate

education system, that disproportionately affects women and african-americans, minorities, this is something that is going to have reverberations throughout our country for years and years and years, and you can tell me that you care about kids and you are actually supporting policies that hurt them. you can't say that black lives matter when you are leaving african-americans with worse outcomes. you can't say that you care about women when 77% of all teachers are mothers and aren't getting the support they need. we need to listen to the teachers and our parents, and we need to make sure that we support our children and move forward to a brighter future. bill and john james, so good to see you. thanks for coming on tonight. >> thank you for having me on. >> katie: another key to making the pandemic permanent, paying people not to work. that is actually part of the democrats to trillion dollar plan, but it would not pay everyone, only certain people. you see where that's going? ♪ ♪ for members like martin.

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>> katie: if you thought it was hard, already hard getting public employees back to work is going to be even harder if nancy pelosi gets her way. the house version of the covid relief bill would pay federal employees 1400 bucks a week to stay at home if their children's school or day care is closed. that's up to $21,000 per employee through the end of september. so let's get this straight, we pay the salaries of federal employees and we also pay the salaries of public school teachers, and if the public school teachers don't do their jobs and return to the classroom, then we have to pay them even more money up to $570 million. allowing federal employees to stay home. people spent a lot of time talking about fairness and equity these days, so i ask you,

where is the fairness in this? here to talk about it in debate now. how is this fair for the teachers unions to continue to refuse to go back to work holding the teachers hostage who do want to go back to work, and now nancy pelosi is saying that to those people who no longer, who are federal employees who no longer have their kids in class learning get another paycheck from the american people? >> well, it's not fair. in fact it treats taxpayers horribly. this is a pattern we are seeing out of the biden administration and the democratic control of government. when you subsidize bad behavior you will get more of that bad behavior. school should be up and prayed every school in america should be fully open. the science is very, very clear that school openings do not contribute to a dramatic rise in cases or deaths. in fact, the exact opposite is true that mental health and

overall community well-being increases when schools are open. florida is a phenomenal test case. by nancy pelosi and her $1.6 trillion bill that we do not have borrowing against our future with inflated dollars to go subsidize people to stay at home while we are also paying a full salary through property taxes in most states for these teachers to continue to teach via zoom. this is an awful idea. every school should be open and we must respect the taxpayers in this equation who continue to subsidize and fund these bad behaviors and these bad practices. >> katie: i know that everybody needs help, president biden promised twodollar checks for people making a certain income, but this is about paying federal employees $1400 a week because the teachers union won't allow their teachers to do their jobs. >> well, i think this is about two things. we have an equitable society, what is equitable is not putting the burden, the tax burden on

working people who are already not making enough money and are at home worrying about whether they can pay their rent. it's about putting the burden on the people who are escaping taxes. what i never hear coming from charlie's mouth is why aren't the billionaires not paying taxes. we want to talk about how we fund an equitable society and an equitable society, we should start taxing the most wealthy people in our society fairly and not putting the burden on the working people who can afford the rent right now, who are working from home, but also teaching their kids and taking care of their kids who have been sick, who have lost loved ones in this pandemic. they are so many places we are dealing with. austerity is not a solution. >> katie: the federal employees especially in the washington, d.c., area who are still employed do not need $1400 a week from the american taxpayer to continue -- >> why not? >> katie: subsidizing teachers unions. i want to get to another topic. >> how are they going to -- 's going to mention equity and i want to talk about the equality act to that was passed today out

of the house. democrats say that it is protection for all people, but i see it as an attack on women's rights, it will affect women in shelters. it will affect women in prisons. in girl sports, locker rooms in schools. i know that you have a different opinion, how is this not a piece of legislation that violates the civil rights of women that used to be a protected class? >> well, i really don't understand the logic, but this is a part of extending the civil rights act, discrimination from their loved ones, if you are in a same-sex partner relationship in many states you have not been able to go see your loved one in the hospital if they are dying because you have not had the same rights as everybody else. i mean, this is ultimately a human rights issue, the fact that we are still debating this in 2021 when so many states, so many conservative states even have been able to understand that lgbtq rights are human rights are civil rights and we should all -- >> katie: nobody is saying

that people should not be treated with respect, i am saying that women should be protected from men being in their safe spaces like shelters from domestic violence, homeless shelters in their locker rooms, their high school playing sports, and this bill essentially eliminates that line. final word to you. >> i hope you saw that, that was a dodge by liberal basically saying right now that women sports do not matter, that men who think they are women should be allowed to compete in female sports. i now see a conservative seem to be the protector's and the guardians of all the progress that the first and second wave feminists made in the last hundred years, then so be it. >> katie: thank you so much. this doctor was supposed to make history today is the first transgender or nominee, but the scripts were already written, the champagne was being poured, and then rand paul ruined everything by asking questions about those pesky

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>> do you believe that minors are capable of making such a life changing decision as changing one's sex? >> transgender medicine is a very complex and nuanced field. >> let's be a little bit more specific since you have abated the question, will you make of more firm decision on whether or not minors should be in charge of these decisions? >> it is a very complex and nuanced field. >> you will let a minor take things that are vendor prudery and you think they get that back. we should be outraged that somebody is talking to a 3-year-old about changing their sex. >> katie: rand paul was one of the senators wave enough to press dr. rachel levine on her views on giving minors hormone

treatment. dr. levine who is transgender has been described by democrats as a historic nominee whose views must never be questioned. in their media lapdogs quickly stepped in to assist attacking senator paul who is also a doctor and labeling him transphobic. this is nothing new, of course. the same tactic they always use to distract the american people and help democrats rush their radical agenda. here now is dr. geoff or so, author of "to the end of gender." thank you for being on tonight. i think it is important to drill down on what senator paul was asking today. referring to the ability to overrule consent to change their gender or prevent puberty. >> thank you for having me. it is completely inappropriate for young children to be seeking transitioning, especially in the context of medical intervention, all of the research literature shows that the vast majority of

children what gender dysphoria who identify as the opposite sex then their birth sex will outgrow by purity. this is when a children lives as the opposite, they may change their hair cut or take on a new name, but they don't undergo medical intervention, that is associated with going on in seeking medical interventions. so it is not true that a lot of people say the public is being told that it is completely irreversible, it is completely harmless, it isn't, and as the senator said it is completely inappropriate for children as young as three to be referred to gender clinics to talk about their gender and be considered for transitioning. >> katie: he cited a lot of science in his questioning and the alarming thing about this is that the media does not want to have any kind of conversation like we are having right now about the science behind why he is asking these questions about minors being told without parental consent that they can do these types of life altering treatments or societal

pressures. men have the government back them up without parents being involved. >> i understand the sentiment, because i think historically trans people have not been able to receive the support and care they deserve. i have supported in adults, but for children it is completely unscientific. and we will see an increase in the number of the transition. so these are people who transition to the opposite sex and they change their mind and go back to living as their birth sex, and they have to live with permanent side effects that do not go away after they do transition. >> katie: i think that is the key, the media took it out of context calling senator rand paul transphobic for addressing the minor issues. he was not speaking about adults, and i think that the context about where the science is, thank you for joining us tonight. we appreciate it. >> thank you.

>> katie: in the summer of 2018, a black student at smith college went viral claiming she was harassed by a janitor and security guard for eating while black in a campus cafeteria. she said the incident left her frightened and shaking and ignited a racial firestorm on campus and of course in the national media. the college fearful of reprisal immediately took the student side and hung several low-paid support staffers out to dry before beginning an investigation. but what happens when someone's truth does not match up with the actual truth? it turns out the student was in the cafeteria reserved for the day by a summer camp, not smith college student. all the security guard did was ask her what she was doing there? and the staffer was cleared by an internal investigation, but they have to -- they have yet to shake the stigma of being branded racist. but that's not what media and the higher edge these days, they shoot first and ask questions later.

so join me now, journalist glenn greenwald. you've seen this happen in a number of examples where there is a story told, it's immediately ingested as the truth, and then when there is an investigation showing that it wasn't true or may have been a lie, we -- it goes away and we are not really told or corrected on what the facts were. >> exactly, it is coming basically an epidemic since childhood that one of the cornerstones is due process, the idea that you can't be held accountable for things unless you are proven to have actually done what you are accused of. and what we have is the exact opposite where accusations when they come from certain kinds of people of a certain type are required to be deemed true regardless of there being any evidence to support them in the irony of the case is that the student was represented by the aclu, which additionally had been one of the safeguards of due process, and they seem most

unrepentant of all saying okay, fine, the staffers comedy as low-paid workers with the accused, but so what, racism is much worst. and it is a corrupt view to have. >> katie: especially the situation at smith college is about $80,000 per year, so that prevents another question. you brought up the aclu. so their response to this was to demand that the entire university, every single staffer take this antidiscrimination, unconscious bias training over a story that ended up not being true, we see this in corporate america and academia, we see it all over the place now and if you've argued it creates this tension that wasn't there in the first place. >> what it really does is it empowers people who can weaponize these accusations and destroy anybody that they want without really much effort at all. the second accusation like this is lost, we have all been trained or many of us have to

believe that the person not to have done something terribly wrong deserves to be punished, maybe not in person, but fired, have the reputation ruined, ostracized, and that's what happened. in the class is so important, the media never likes to talk about class, they talk about race and gender, but so often the power dynamic is shaped with the road to elitism who is at a $60,000 a year school accusing hourly wage workers of doing things they ended up not doing and nobody seems to care because the idea is we should always have the prism of race and not class. >> katie: it is a huge problem and we are happy we had you want to talk about it. glenn greenwald, see you soon. one gun owner in california used his second amendment to protect a woman who was being robbed, and now he is being told that he did the wrong thing. chris jennings is up next on that story. ♪ ♪ hi, i'm debra. i'm from colorado.

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>> katie: crime is not the only thing surging in cities, gun sales are too with good

reason. an increasing number of americans feel less safe and more threatened by criminals and an administration that appears determined to roll back their second amendment rights. in oakland, california, a recent crime spree has led to more residents blocking themselves paid when one owner stopped to block a robbery, it was the owner with the gun who got arrested and the criminal got away. the oakland police chief explain why. >> when weapons are fired in our community, there could be unintended victims. we don't want our business owners or others to begin to arm themselves. we would really prefer them to be good witnesses. >> katie: here now to react to that top shot champion and author chris shane. ghosts don't match so good to see you. you are in california, what do you have to say about what the police chief had to respond to the robbery being forwarded and them arresting the hero in the situation. >> katie, my jaw just dropped when i heard the oakland police

chiefs say that he doesn't want local citizens to protect themselves, and to be good witnesses when i heard him say that, i basically heard him say, you should be a victim. you should be a victim and let the criminals take over and stand by and be defenseless. on comprehensible that the oakland police department coming in police departments all over the country are having trouble protecting china towns and asian-americans who have been increasingly targeted for violence across our country, and i am here to support our second amendment rights and say, hey, if you feel that a firearm is what you need or want to protect yourself, your business and your family, that our police department should be supporting our constitutional rights. >> katie: we have seen all over the country from the past unlimited number of months now that crimes have been surging around the country, and people aren't understanding if they are not inside the gun community

necessarily why there are 8 million new gun owners. you have been in the gun community for a long time, you are a top shot champion, and now we are seeing the surge of violent crime in the asian-american community, and yet people who are in charge, law enforcement included don't think they should be able to defend themselves or others from violent attacks. >> i have lived in the bay area for 14 years, and never have i ever been more concerned for my own personal safety and my family safety. my mother and i were talking the other day, and she was talking to one of her cousins who is elderly, and advising that she make sure to look over your shoulder, to be very careful when walking out on the streets of san francisco because there has been a state of violent attacks on elderly asian-americans. criminals knocking on the ground, and in many cases they die from their injuries.

and it's violent to see the racist attacks on the asian community, and part of the way that the asian community can defend ourselves is to the use of firearms and also coming together as a community to look out for one another. >> katie: as we know, firearm ownership is a deterrent against violent crime, and you mentioned that the police chief once good witnesses. you can't be a good witness if you are dead. so because you were unable to defend yourself. you have written books about how to become a gun owner and how to shoot a gun. when it comes to people exercising their second amendment right that they are interested in doing something as you have an advocate of, what do you suggest in places like california or communities that are under attack that they do? >> the first question is asking yourself, are you ready to become a gun owner. and that is such a personal individual question, and i only support individuals owning

firearms if they are ready to invest the time into safety and to training and learning how to operate a firearm. a gun is like any other tool. you can't just buy the tool and then expect to know how to use it safely and efficiently. you have to put in the time and the energy to train and there is lots of gun shops and gun ranges and firearms instructors here in the bay area and all across the country that are ready to help train not only those 8 million new gun owners that we saw in 2020, but this year is looking to be yet another breakout year for gun sales and for new gun owners joining the ranks. >> katie: at a national level we see the biden administration wanting to implement what they called gun safety measures for more gun control, and their response to the community of gun owners growing by 8 million people isn't a look at maybe who these people are or what their backgrounds are or if they are in the typical gun owner that

they have always thought about, but they are people like you and they are people like me, and so, what is your message to the administration when it comes to trying to crack down when we have seen a record number of legal sales in this country? >> yes, the biden administration has made it very clear that gun control is going to be a central part of their agenda, and trying to take away our second memo rights. and for me as not only an asian-american, but buy gay american targeted for violence, we are coming to the orlando pud shootings which was one of the violent domestic terrorist incidents in orlando, florida, and that was an lgbtq bar shooting that really woke up millions of lgbt americans to the fact that gun ownership is one path to protecting ourselves for a targeted minority that the gun is often a great equalizer,

and firearms ownership amongst the lgbtq community have been increased substantially over the past five years, and it has been sustained. and boy, every month there is just more and more lgbt americans who are interested in learning how to shoot firearms and also how to learn how to properly protect themselves with a firearm. >> katie: a big community with room for lots of different people. and chris chang, i'm so happy that you were able to join us tonight. >> thank you for having me, katie. >> katie: if you thought that john kerry telling off oil workers for solar panels was bad, wait till you hear the new plan of killing fossil fuel jobs. karl rove from texas. he is not going to like this. ♪ ♪ are you ok? it's just a cold. if you have high blood pressure, a cold is not just a cold. most cold medicines may raise blood pressure. choose coricidin hbp. the brand with a heart. for powerful cold relief without raising your blood pressure. t-mobile is upgrading its network

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and tax revenue losses for states like texas. but his energy secretary nominee has a plan. and might be as dumb as the workers building solar panels. >> you campaigned in oil and gas production in new mexico. you asked how you would make up for the loss of oil and gas royalties which the state uses to fund public schools. your answer was that you would vote to legalize cannabis. >> the point of that, ranking member, was to say that we should diversify our funding streams for our education and not just rely on one. >> katie: here now, karl rove. former george w. bush chief of staff and fox news contributor. karl, maybe cannabis revenue one of the better choices that john kerry was discussing? >> let's look at it, the congresswoman in question as a nominee from the interior

department of new mexico. new mexico derives $2 billion district oil gas taxes to the state and they use it for education and another $300 million in indirect revenue. sales taxes and income taxes on oil drilling and other services connected to the energy business. 2.3 billion a year from oil and gas revenues in new mexico. the state legislative finance committee. colorado, marijuana taxes last year and fees, total of $387,480. if her plan was in effect for her home state, the school children of new mexico would be about $1.9 billion light. what does this mean? new mexico oil and gas taxes work out to about $1,990 per person in the state of new mexico. colorado dope taxes work out to $66.80 per person. state has about 5.8 million

people. the average new mexico resident would need to smoke 16 times dope than in colorado. that would be one stoned state if you ask me. >> katie: nobody will be able to work at all the this is the route that they take. you had to bring two white boards to explain that to everybody. quickly, we hear that beto o'rourke is back in business in texas, maybe planning to run for governor. we know he's your favorite subject. wanted to bring you on and comment on his latest comeback. >> well, he's been planning to run for governor the last year. he was the captain in charge of the get out the vote effort. they issued an autopsy, we don't know how or why but we lost the voter administration to the republicans that outregistered us by 88,000 and lost the get out the vote effort. they expected to win the senate

race, might carry the state for biden and pick up three and perhaps as many as seven republican seats. they got zero. expected to take the texas state house of representatives and made no gains. they lost the senate race by double digits. the president won. how do they reward that? let's run him for governor. they can't get their act together. look forward to seeing robert francis o'rourke out there on the campaign trail since he lost his dismal race for the presidency. nothing succeeds like failure for him. >> he needs one more vanity fair cover saying he's born to do it and born to be here and he will make it. that's all he needs. the last push. >> absolutely. >> katie: thanks, karl. thanks. two white boards tonight. lucky us. thanks for watching. i'm katie pavlich.

tucker carlson is next. >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." springfield, massachusetts above hartford is one of the toughest cities in the united states. it wasn't always that way. basketball was invented there. the first gasoline powered engine. indian motorcycles were once made there. as manufacturing died, so did the city and devolved into a familiar american landscape. drugs, violence, waves of immigrants. yesterday a man was shot to death on main street. springfield is a tragic place, but it's also a living metaphor. less than 20 miles aw