♪ ♪ >> hello, everyone, i'm lawrence jones along with gillian turner, lisa boothe and sean duffy, and welcome to "the big saturday show." things are heating up in the sunshine state where cpac is in full swing, and anticipation is building around the president's, trump's return to the political stage. the florida commander in chief -- former commander in chief expected to take on joe biden and his policies. he'll also lay out his own vision for america and the future of the republican party in a speech that may give a hint

to his plans in 2024, but president trump isn't the only republican to keep an eye on. several other top conservatives taking the stage today. watch. >> limit the terms for our house and senate leaders. >> we were the most pro-life administration in the united states of america. [cheers and applause] >> we call ourselves conservatives, but what are we really? we're freedom lovers. >> covid isn't crushing the economy, government crushed the economy. those of you who don't know, south dakota is the only state in america that never ordered a single business or church to close. ♪ >> welcome, everybody. so good seeing you guys all across the country just like america and our audience members. i've got to ask you guys, i'm going to go to sean first. cpac, so much energy, such a clear message from the movement. a lot of talk about the civil war within the republican party. i'll pose this to you, it seems

like the civil war is amongst the leaders, not the people. seems like there's a concise message. what to you say, sean? >> i think you're absolutely right. and last time i was at cpac, i was with andrew breitbart a long, long time ago. but you're right, i think we have a few leaders in the house and the senate that don't like president trump, but if you're at cpac or if you're in wisconsin, anywhere, you know that conservatives, republicans and the conservative movement, their heart are with president trump, they love him. donald trump is people power. you had technology and media and intelligence, they all canceled donald trump, but he has so much sway and power with the american people because all of these grassroots folks around the country love him and love the america first ideology that he brought to the presidency, looking out for them and not for big corporate america and their financial interests. >> yeah. that's absolutely correct.

gillian, you are on the ground reporting everywhere, and when i talk to the people that are here, they talk about the issues. and there was this narrative in the past election about tone, right? obviously, between the different candidates and between joe biden and president trump, tone very different. but what i hear from people here on the ground, they're saying, well, a lot of these policy choices have hurt us. the energy policy, the border policy, and they're frustrated with that. what do you hear? >> lawrence, i will say i've now watched more of these speeches on tv over the last few days, so i have a really good sense of what the key players up on the big stage are saying, not as good a sense of what folks on the ground are saying which i'm going to ask you about in just a second. my big takeaway so far is that there is a return to the sort of core, principled conservative message from everybody from senator mike lee to secretary

pompeo, even ted cruz. you know, he made that gesture and that exclamation about freedom that nows has gone viral on social media, but all of these people are saying it's time that we remember sort of what brought us together in the first place which is being against big government, big against a government that becomes too powerful. and we're seeing in the wake of all the upset the party's been through over the last couple of years a return to these kind of grounding principles. that's the big message, i think, more than the so-called cult of personality surrounding president trump. this is what we're seeing here at cpac. the other big messaging i'm really hearing coming out of folks on the stages is that it's no longer up to them about conservatives versus liberals, it's about conservatives versus the left and big tech. the message we're hearing over and over and over again, is that the left is teaming up with social media and big tech to censor conservatives, to put the brakes on what different people in america are allowed to say. that's the other big message i'm

taking away are from this. if i could throw a quick question back at you, lawrence, i'm really interested to know if you're -- when you're talking to folks there, the attendees? not the big wigs, the people that are there to support the party -- >> right. gillian: -- are there views reflected on the stage for the most part? lawrence: they are, and the people that would have typically reflected the views that aren't with them didn't get invited to cpac, and that was very clear based on the agenda. the people that are on the stage are what they consider their conservative heroes, the people -- not so much elected officials, although there were some that were a part of the freedom caucus and have been really out front fighting for that america first agenda, but the social media stars, the pundits that fight for that agenda, they're here too. and even people like our own dan bonn geo, really -- bongino,

really give that rallying cry. interesting, the amount of young conservative leaders that have been here on the ground, you know, this is not the party and movement of just old white men anymore. these are diverse voices, these are former democrats that decided to be republicans in the trump era. they call themselves -- [inaudible] so there's diversity in the way that people look, but also in ideology as well. but i have to get lisa in here because, you know, we could talk about the speakers -- >> that'd be nice. [laughter] >> -- but, you know, everybody's expecting one person, the big man, donald trump, who they call the boss. what do you anticipate from his speech tomorrow? lisa: well, look, i think there's a lot of fodder for him. i mean, the first few weeks of the biden administration has been absolutely terrible. what has he done? he's prioritized illegal

immigration, he's killed jobs for hard working americans with the stroke of a pen. we're talking about those keystone pipeline jobs. as well as job building, you know, the wall along the southern border. so i think there's a lot of opportunity for president trump to take biden to task. but look, let's all be honest, the republican party's still the party of donald trump. the grassroots are with donald trump, and they're at odds with the establishment leadership in washington, d.c. and we saw that play out with people like liz are cheney voting -- liz cheney voting to impeach donald trump. and then what did we see? we saw the wyoming gop vote to accept sure her and call for her resignation. censure. i predict a republican landslide and, two, a lot of republican incumbents are going blue. but that's okay because we saw that play out in the 2010 midterm elections. a lot of incumbents lost, and republicans picked up 63 seats.

so, you know, i hope if i'm right we can play this, you know, after the midterm election, and then if i'm wrong, we can just never speak of it again. lawrence: sean, i've got to bring you in on that because there's some real info that lisa's given, because i hear that on the ground too. this formation of another modern-day tea party movement, right? and we awe this when the republicans didn't do what the people wanted. these were small businesses, moms and dads that were upset with government just like a lot of these folks that are here that are upset with how the pandemic has played out and government shutting down. they want a new tea party movement, and they're going to target republicans. what do you think? sean: right -- [audio difficulty] the tea party's going to be activated by people on the ground. one of the things i picked up at cpac was how sick people are are of being canceled. and i think the message and undertone from this event is if

you're canceled, republicans and conservatives, they actually have to stand up and stand together. so if one of your conservative brothers or sisters is canceled, don't walk away. actually stand up and defend them. and if you do stand together as a movement against this liberal woke mob, what you'll recognize is that you are actually in the majority, and the woke mob is in the minority. and that's the only way you can beat them, is standing together and not leaving one person to stand by themselves and let the woke mob eat them up. lawrence: well, there is a unified key movement when it comes -- conservative movement when it comes to the peep here. so much energy. and like i said, they're waiting for the main, the keynote speaker, the president of the united states. and be sure to catch the president on "the next revolution" tomorrow night at 9 p.m. eastern. now this, president biden's first major legislative priority takes a big step forward as the house passes its nearly $2 trillion coronavirus relief

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♪ gillian: -- pass a massive $1.9 trillion covid relief package overnight, the final vote was 219-212 with only two democrats joining republicans to vote against it. now it heads to the senate where lawmakers hope to have it on president biden's desk before march 14th. the bill includes $1400 stimulus checks, but it also includes a lot of line items unrelated to covid relief entirely. house minority leader kevin mccarthy is calling the bill the pelosi payoff, health care subsidies for undocumented immigrants, $1.5 million to

amtrak. take a listen. >> look what happened this morning at two a.m. nancy pelosi put about a $2 trillion bill in. there was a vote on the floor the, she put a tunnel in silicon valley that has nothing to do with covid into the bill. back to work, back to school, back to health, pelosi wants to put more tunnels, more waste, and the democrats voted for it. gillian: lisa, i'm going to come to you first. if it was your bill, right, and you had to choose one line item in it that you could pull out no questions asked, what would you choose? >> well, i would focus on the money directed towards people who need it who have been without a job because of liberal policies. and as kristi noem had said at cpac, it's not coronavirus that shut down the economy in so many states and cities, it's democrats, it's government. government is what shut down

economies that denied people the ability to open up shop, to earn a living for themselves. so now we're stuck in this mess. and what do democrats do? when you have a terrible bill -- you know this from covering d.c -- when the vote is at two a.m. and you cannot get a single republican, not even a moderate, to vote for it. and i think a lot of americans are saying, okay, you've got health care subsidies for illegal immigrants, nancy pelosi gets this $100 billion tunnel outside of silicon valley, blue state who created the mess we're in with her lockdown policies are getting bailed out. and what's in it for the american people? this has been the m.o. of democrats the entire time with the coronavirus because nancy pelosi admitted that she denied the american people relief just to stick it to president trump before the election. gillian: i mean, well said. but you still didn't exercise your magical power that the i gave you. [laughter] if you could choose one thing -- lisa: i don't know if i heard you correctly. wait a minute, i thought --

[inaudible] gillian: what would you pull out? lisa: oh, my god, i mean, everything. it's a garbage bill which is why not a single republican -- you know what? ill get rid of nancy pelosi's stupid. tunnel because she's terrible and she doesn't deserve it. so your tunnel, gone, pelosi. that's what i would do. [laughter] gillian: lawrence? lisa: also, that's a fun game. gillian: i'm going to ask everybody if we have time. lawrence, one of the ideas among republicans here that's been circulating, i think pat toomey really led the charge, is that the problem with this bill is not so much what is in it, but because these kinds of line incomes that are political favors to powerful politicians leading the way is an effort to legislation that comes in and out of capitol hill. but the real problem is the stimulus payments are not necessarily going to americans who have lost wages or jobs or businesses or homes or loved ones during the pandemic, it's

going out under these blanket terms without salaries which doesn't include anything having to do with a family's gross income or businesses. so the problem here is making the legislation essentially more targeted. this wasn't done in the first round of stimulus, it's not being done now. congress has had nine months to try to figure out a way to do it. do you agree with that? lawrence lawrence well, there's some truth to it, you know? this bill is full of pork. i'm a texan, i love pork, but not this type of pork. [laughter] there's a lot of pet projects and going to states that were already in debt, and so that frustrates a lot of americans because it seems like in washington they literally don't get it. but you know what i hear on the ground here at cpac? they talk about just open up the country. i mean, obviously, they can't take care of the american people appropriately. give them a shot. and there's this theme of america's above when it comes to

desantis. they feel vindicated, the conservatives that are here today, because there was a lot of talk about the states not being so good, that that cuomo was the gold standard. and now as we get more and more revelations on how he managed this pandemic at nursing hopes and then he got folks that didn't get the proper ppe, sent ventilators back, didn't use the ship, and what they're saying is look at florida as a model for the country and let people decide their own destiny. only they can do that and, look, florida's come back. so if you just want to look at it from a numbers standpoint and a success story, maybe cuomo wasn't really the gold standard. maybe desantis is. gillian: and what would you take out of this bill if you could choose anything? one thing, anything in the entire bill to make it a little better? >> i'll take away all the state funding. gotta go. gillian: that's billions right there. all right. lawrence: that's exactly right. gillian: under this plan, sean,

to highlight my point, in this bill a 60-year-old couple with two kids making $200k a year would receive 12 grand under the legislation as it now stands. is that what we need? sean sean look, i think the one side of the bill, gillian, people actually like. they want money to flow during a pan pandemic. i don't agree with it as a conservative, but people want to see the $1400 in individual checks, they want to see money going to families with kids, they want to see money go to vaccine distribution. those are all the positive polling things that come out of this bill. what they don't like, however, is they don't want social justice farming, they don't want to see money go to planned parenthood -- which, by the way, that is the one issue i would pull out. i don't think conservatives should have to fund the killing of babies in a stimulus bill. i think the last point lisa made in the last segment, what happens in the next election? i can speak cheerily to this, because in 2009 i ran against the author of the stimulus bill. he was a democrat who was in

office for 42 years. i was a prosecutor, ran against him. when he passed the stimulus bill in '09, it was very, very popular. however, a year later the american people found out what was in it, they knew that the economy was actually growing at the time they passed the bill, and it was wasteful spending. again, it was the money grenade that went off and just shot cash everywhere. and we picked up 63 seats. republicans picked up 63 seats in the house in 2010. to lisa's point, that same thing is going to happen in this next election because americans are going to hate when they find out what is in this bill. ing. gillian: folks, we've got to leave it there, but coming up next, they got it wrong, we got it right. that's governor ron desantis praising his state of florida as an oasis of freedom during the pandemic, thinks florida can pave the way for other states. is he right? we'll debate next. ♪ ♪

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♪ saying it's fine by me if you never leave -- ♪ and we can live like this forever, it's fine by me ♪♪ lisa: welcome back to "the big saturday show." 9 so florida is paving the way for america to survive the pandemic as states like new york and california struggle even after extreme lockdowns. schools are open here, the economy is rising, and covid-19 cases are dropping in the sunshine state. quite a different story in states like new york and california where businesses are feeling the squeeze from strict lockdowns and schools that remain closed. most california counties' nonessential businesses are still shut down, and indoor

dining is predominantly not i i -- not allowed. new york has very limited capacity. florida governor ron desantis praising the progress in his home state. >> we are an oasis of freedom in a nation that's suffering in many parts of the country under the yoke of lockdowns. in far too many places we see schools closed, businesses shuttered and lives destroyed. and while so many governors over the last year have kept locking people down, florida lifted people up. [applause] florida got it right, and the lockdown states got it wrong. lisa: so, lawrence, i want to start with you. so ron desantis, governor desantis, took a very common sense approach; protect the vulnerable, protect seniors and let the rest of the state thrive and continue to go about their

business as best they can. why didn't every governor follow that common sense a approach? lawrence: well, lisa, it's kind of like my grandmother always said, it ain't easy to be a leader. there was a lot of pressure from the media. he was shamed. the people of florida were shamed because they decided to keep the doors open and fight for their own freedom. but the facts are out. and when you look at new york and california and you look at the way that florida's been able to handle it -- and, by the way, california's still locked down, and the numbers aren't going down by that much. i think history will remember desantis. and if the president, the current president -- i'm sorry, the former president doesn't decide to run, he will be the leading candidate on that stage because he has become, as i said in the last block, this symbol of freedom. everybody was back home and

everyone kept saying why won't they just give us a chance. the people here are saying why won't they just give us a chance? remember, the people at this conference are coming from all of the states in the country. and many of them are still locked down. kids can't go to school. you can go to school in florida, and by the way, you can choose which school you want to go to because of school choice. and so, again, this is going to be remembered my history. right now he won't be remembered by the press because, again, they're still not giving him credit for what he was able to do in the state. lisa: well, and, gillian, when governor cuomo was mandating uss in nursing homes to take in covid-positive patients, desantis was mandating they were not allowed to take those patients in. to lawrence's point, how do you think history will remember governor desantis? gillian: so i think the big sort of message here is that there were no easy answers, there's

still no easy answers. there's not a single u.s. state whose trajectory in terms of average daily or weekly numbers has gone steadily like this, florida included. i looked into the numbers just before the show started. florida ranks number nine in terms of the highest number, sadly, of new cases over the final weekly average basis for the last two weeks. three weeks ago florida was in the bottom half. they were at something like number 26 or 27, so on the low end. this is not to criticize ron desantis' leadership here at all but just to inject a reminder to everybody that the picture changes over time, and that's okay. florida overall served as a much better model for the rest of the nation than say the state of new york. but it's important to keep looking at the numbers every day, every week and looking at what is working and what is not working in the case of florida maybe we're seeing increasing rates now because travel, some interstate travel has opened up,

we don't know. but it's important to not get too caught up in this politician or that politician is a hero because at the end of the day that doesn't help anybody. lisa: but he is paving the way. i mean, he's led people like me to flee communist new york and to come down to freedom-loving florida -- gillian: and look how happy! lisa: i'm so happy. you look at the migration patterns, and people are coming to states like florida because he didn't shut the economy down, he's allowing us to be free. sean, we look at the goal posts that keep moving, and the 15 days to slow the spread turned into months. it was no mask, one mask, now two masks, and even after the vaccine things may not get back to normal until 2022. we ever get -- will we ever get back to normal? sean: i think we will, but the human heart yearns for freedom. and even if you're a liberal progressive from new york to california, you still want to go to those places that offer you

freedom. to lawrence's point, when the media wants this group to lock down, wear masks and florida does it different, they actually have to attack him and try to beat him. and in the end, the results in florida have been, i think, profound. you can navigate a pandemic, do it well and keep your businesses alive and thriving along with your economy. he is a success story. new york is a sign and a state of absolute failure. lisa: well, and i also think it's such a testament to him. we've seen governors like cuomo use a crisis to get more power, use a crisis to control his state, and desantis took the opposite approach, so, you know, kudos to him, and i'm glad to be free here in florida. speaking of that, don't miss governor ron desantis when he joins mac levin tomorrow -- mark levin tomorrow night at 8 p.m. eastern right here on fox news. and up next, first shakespeare, now dr. seuss.

a virginia school system has canceled the celebrated children's author because of, quote, radical understones. even talk show host bill maher says this movement is getting crazy. >> cancel culture is real, it's insane, and it's growing exponentially, and it's coming to a neighborhood near you. ♪ ♪

sean: this is "the big saturday show." it looks like green eggs and ham won't be served at some virginia schools. one of the state's largest school districts has reportedly canceled dr. seuss. activists pressured loudon

county schools to cancel the celebration to honor dr. seuss on his birthday, march 2nd. the school system announced, quote: as we become more culturally responsible, more leaders should know in recent years research has revealed radical undertones in the books written and drawn by dr. seuss. now, even bill maher is warning the left that cancel culture is becoming too crazy s. >> the liberals need a stand the your ground law for cancel culture. so that when the woke mob comes after you for some ridiculous offense, you'll stand your ground, stop apologizing because i can't keep up anymore with who's on the [bleep] list. memo to social justice warriors. when what you're doing sounds like an "onion" headline, stop. sean: i've got to tell you, i'm not a big fan of bill maher, but he has these moments where he actually has these moments of

common sense where as a conservative i have to applaud him for pushing back. i want to get back to that in a little bit. i want to go to you first, lisa, and talk about louden county, it's in virginia. their schools aren't open. they've been closed for 11 months, but here the school district is going to cancel green eggs and ham, they're going to cancel mr. brown can moo, can you, cat in the hat. so it was all by dr. seuss. do you think it's racist? lisa: no, i don't want, and this is insanity. -- i don't. same thing with the san francisco school board. those kids aren't allowed to go back to school, but they're focused on renaming schools. that's the priority, right? you know, all of this makes me very, very worried because i'm looking at the dollar signs and thinking to myself as someone who doesn't have kids yet, i'm going to have to spend a lot of money on schools because i'm not sending my kids to public schools where they're going to be indoctrinated with this kind of garbage. i think these idiots and these crazy people in the public

school systems as well as the teachers unions over the past few months have shown that they done care about students, that it's all about them, because they're making republicans' case for school choice. and that should be a priority for republicans both for the midterms as well as the 2024 election. because if we want to focus on real issues of things like quality, it's making sure that a zip code doesn't determine a child's future, and that's why school choice is so important. it's something that the majority of americans supported, republicans support, democrats, independents, and so republicans should really utilize some of the crazy things that are going on in schools as well as the past few months with the coronavirus to push school choice and to fight for it. sean: you're absolutely right because if you give parents the money to go to a school that fits their values, you empower parents, not teachers. gillian, i want to go to you because it wasn't the parents that asked to cancel dr. seuss, it was actually the learning for justice education, a liberal --

association, a liberal education advocacy group. should the school boards be listening to advocacy groups or parents on how they should run their schools? gillian: sean, what you just said is a key point there. we're seeing this happen not just with books and literature, but with movies and films. you have these case makers -- in this case, educators -- who are saying, you know what? we're going to prohibit these things because they don't represent our cultural values right now and today. that's really the whole point of art and, i would argue, the whole point of education in the first place, is to take an expansive view of human history. and that's really the whole point of having kids in school in the first place. one thing to ban forthcoming books when publishers do that, which we're seeing an increasing amount of, because publishing houses are businesses at the end of the day. it's another thing when you start banning books that have been printed and in circulation for decades. you then enter this territory where we're just back to banning books which sets us back about a

hundred years as a country. sean: yeah. a long time ago. lawrence, tell me, do you think dr. seuss is racist, number one, and two, what do you think about bill maher pushing back on liberals and the woke cancel culture? will there be more liberal comedians who join bill maher to ask for common sense from the lefties in america? lawrence lawrence i don't know if he's -- i've never met him. i don't know what's in the man's heart. and, quite frankly, this is an example, right? the real thing is are you against cancel culture or are you not. and that is the theme of cpac, america uncanceled. i will remind people of this, cancel culture is like a wildfire. if you pour gasoline in it, don't be surprised if that gas raises up that fire and hits you next. and that is the real issue with cancel culture. and the second thing, and i know we've got to go, cancel culture doesn't give people room to

grow. how am i supposed to learn about something if you cancel me and make me go into the shadows? that's not the american way, it's not the christian way, that's not how we should be as human beings. sean: well said, lawrence, and you're right, cancel culture has gone too far. we've got to move on. still ahead, rnc twitter is trending on twitter. many users are telling the social media giant to drop dead. ♪ this is my fight song, take back my life song -- ♪ prove i'm all right song. ♪ my power's turned up -- ♪ starting right now i'll be strongve ♪♪ and when you get a big deal... you feel like a big deal. ♪♪ priceline. every trip is a big deal.

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muck every rose has its thorn. ♪ just like every night has its dawn ♪♪ lawrence lawrence look at that beautiful sunset in new york city. rest in peace, twitter. that's the hashtag trending this week after the social media giant revealed plans for a pay service that will reportedly charge users $4.99 per month to see premium posts from influential tweeters. and the news didn't sit well

with many writing rip trending on twitter is palpable. and i love y'all, but there's no way i'm paying to read your tweets. no, rest in peace, twitter. all right, guys, so let's bring it out to the panel. starting with you, gillian, what do you think? gillian: first you have to say trending on twitter three times. okay, go. [laughter] lawrence lawrence trending on twitter, trending on twitter, trending on twitter. [laughter] gillian: you did better than i thought you might. good thing i'm not leading this segment, because i'd make all of you do that. there is only one handle i might consider may paying money to you, and no offense to any of you guys -- lisa: it's not mine? gillian: no, i'm sorry. it's dog race, they are the best scandal on twitter. they showcase really awesome ways that you can help doggies

that are injured or sick or in need or homeless. if you don't follow them, you should go follow them. i might pay $4.99 a month for their content. everything else, no way. lawrence: okay. all right, lisa? lisa: well, so, okay, i'm going to admit it, i love reality tv. i always go there to know who wins the bachelor in advance. have the guy that you like watch the bachelor with you. inevitably, the women are crazy, and it makes you look a lot better. [laughter] lawrence: please, i can't tell you how many times i've been goressed to watch -- lisa: see? because it makes the girl look better. it's strategic. i'm telling you. lawrence: it is. you're holding us hostage. go ahead, sean. [laughter] sean: i watch the bachelor with my wife, rachel.

[laughter] because you're at cpac, lawrence, i'm going to go with the conservative movement, i'm going with donald trump. listen, i miss donald trump on twitter. he's funny, he's informed. he actually sometimes is offensive, and twitter kicked him off. i want them to bring him back, and if they made a little money -- there's nothing there! i love that twitter's doing this. they have this idea of capitalism for me but socialism for thee as they support all these liberals across america. they're trying to make money off of all of us in a capitalist country. gillian: lawrence are, who's your pick? what would you pay for? lawrence: fat kid deals. i'm -- all the stuff that i order off of amazon and all the deals from foot locker and all that type of stuff, this account posts all the deals before the epogen public if knows -- general public knows.

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♪ ♪ gillian: well, lady gaga is no longer singing the blues, her two french bulldogs have been found safe after being stolen. the dogs were dropped off at a police station by a woman who says she found them both tied to a pole. lady gaga had offered a half a million dollar reward for them. the two pups were stolen wednesday night in l.a.. her dog walker was shot, but he's expected to be just fine. police are still, meanwhile,

searching for the dog nappers. so, lawrence are, what is your theory about what went down here? i mean, there's -- i'm thinking there's no way whoever did this knew they were lady gaga's dogs, because if they did, they wouldn't have returned them, they would have followed through on their plans to resell them. lawrence: yeah, they knew who she was. she posts a lot on social media, and so does her dog walker. he's a friend of their family, and it was definitely targeted. it was definitely targeted. you don't just take these dogs. i think the police need to really get involved here because they can go back, check tapes, figure out who tied that dog up. i think the criminals got too deep into it, and they realized that lady gaga had the resources to invest to figure out who actually did it. i mean, when someone puts up half a million dollars to find the dogs, you know they mean business. gillian: so, lisa, we've been looking at photos on the screen

of gustav and koji, and they're pretty cute, but they're not nearly as do you want as bella and olivia, right? [laughter] lisa: of course. our dogs are, obviously, the best. we're not biased at all. here's what i think is so messed up. if you google lady gaga, it's all about the dogs. a guy got shot. her dog walker was actually shot. you would think that that would be the lead. i say that as someone who's obsessed with my dog, so much so that a dog trainer never saw a dog more attached to its owner than bella. so i say that as someone who has a codependency problem with her dog, but shouldn't the story be about the guy who got shot? i mean, come on, it's crazy. gillian: sean, who matters more, the people or the dog? who matters more? people or dogs? sean: oh. well, listen, we a all love our dogs, and dogs are part of our

families. if you lose them, it's crushing, right? i have a dog, skippy, who's wonderful and beautiful, but listen, a human life was almost taken as these dogs were dog napped. and the fact that gaga gave half a million dollars reward, that's like $50 to me, half a million for that georgia, but you would hope they would catch that person. you find bad guys and put them in jail, right? that would be the good thing to do but, only, she loves these beautiful little puppies and wants them back. i don't think that was the socially conscious thing for her to do. gillian: the police are obviously looking for this person who shot gaga's friend, the dog walker, on camera. hopefully, that -- >> yeah, but she -- [inaudible] afterthought. if you even look at the tweet, she mentions him at the bottom

of the tweet. that was tweet number one. tweet number one was $500,000, bring the dogs back, i don't care what happens, and they go on their way. lisa: that's celebrity culture though. it's just because she's a celebrity that we're -- that's the ultimate news coverage about the dog, because she's a celebrity as opposed to, you know, the human being. gillian: right, none of this would ever have been -- sean: -- a lot more in the future. gillian: apparently, he's also her friend. like, he's a longtime family friend -- lisa: well, let's give him a raise. gillian: lawrence, do you have a dog? lawrence: i don't have a dog. i can't deal with the smell -- gillian: well, i don't know if you can come back -- [laughter] john if we're going -- i don't know if we're going to invite you back tomorrow. we're going to think about it, hard. [laughter] that does it for us right now. hopefully, everybody's going to join us again, 5 p.m. eastern tomorrow, it's going to be "the big sunday show," maybe even the

huge sunday show. now here's jon scott. lisa: bye, everyone. ♪ jon: day three of cpac is in the books with former secretary of state mike pompeo and house minority leader kevin mccarthy among headline percent today. all leading up to tomorrow's main event former president trump first major speech since leaving the white house. good evening i'm jon scott and this is the "fox report." jon: cpac also serves as an early lit usnus test jockeying ahead ahead of tomorrow straw poll that survey could gi ideas of former president standing among party faithful meanwhile following two other big stories, the house passi