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americans. david spunt is at the white house with more. hi, david. >> reporter: good morning to you. $1400 covid relief payments are in the bank accounts of millions of americans affected by this pandemic. now the white house perhaps looking at president biden's tax plan. he talked about this heavily multiple times, if not dozens of times on the campaign trail. the president said those times that those making less than $400,000 a year will not see an increase. here he is from the campaign trail. >> under my plan, if you make more than -- less than $400,000, i guarantee you're not going to pay a penny more in taxes. you make less than $400,000, you're not going to pay a penny more in taxes. anybody making more than $400,000 will see a small to a senate tax increase. if you make less than $400,000, you won't see one single penny in additional federal tax. >> reporter: white house press secretary jen psaki, asked about

the tax plan this week, listen to what he said. >> he said on taxes that anybody making more than $400,000 will see a small to a significant tax the increase. tax increase. to clarify, did he mean individuals or households, because it wasn't very clear, and secretary yellen, i think, has referred to households. >> families, yeah. >> reporter: okay. so when jen answered that question, she said about $400 ,000 per family. a white house spokesperson said on friday the $400,000 limit is per household. when asked specifically about individuals, the white house says they are still working on their tax plan. could mean $400,000 per individual, but you saw the press secretary said $400,000 for families. again, the white house though saying it's still early in the process and they have yet to release their tax plan to the public. it sounds like it's a work in

progress. [laughter] david: well, it sounds z like a movie that we've all heard too many times before. of david, thank you very much. >> reporter: you bet. david: the white house is making more americans tax hike targets despite what the president said on the campaign trail. republican montana senator steve daines is not surprised, and i don't want blame you, senator, because i'm not -- i don't blame you, senator, because i'm not either. we all end up getting wet, right? >> if there's something the democrats know how to do really well, that's raise taxes. i think it's important to step back and look what's been going on over the last several years. remember, it was the republican senate and house working with president trump back in 2017, we unleashed the economy by cutting taxes. democrats now want to unleash big government with massive spending. we saw that with that covid bill, well disguised through a liberal wish list of nancy pelosi's dream spending items. so they're going to push massive

spending and tax hikes. here's the concern, david, i spent 28 years in the private sector. this is a global economy. 95% of the world's consumers live outside the united states. it's about global competitiveness. david: right. >> you start raising taxes on small businesses, on corporations, it no longer allows us to be competitive. some of our tax rates prior to the tax cuts were the highest of all developing nations. david: and that's when we saw a lot of companies move to ireland and places that had much lower taxes. by the way, the world average is 23.7%, the average corporate tax rate. if we go up to 28%, we're in the high-end category again. will we have more companies leaving the united states as happened during the last obama/biden administration? >> absolutely. that's exactly one of the problems we were trying to address by lowering taxes. again, this issue of global competitiveness for american companies, and that's american jobs. so it's very important, it's going to be a fight. remember, the senate is 50-50,

dave. this is going to be a battle here as we're really fighting for the working person. look what happened to wages for hard working families in this country as well as unemployment rates. they were coming to levels that we hadn't seen in decades prior to covid, and then covid hit. but we were on our way with a booming economy thanks to the tax cuts. david: well, and 65% of americans got a tax cut during the trump years, that's according to "the new york times"es, by the way. they were not terribly friendly to president trump. but again, going back to my original point, there's so many taxes like the alternative minimum tax, the amt, that was originally meant for a couple of dozen billionaires, eventualingly ended up hitting millions of americans before, i believe, the trump administration got rid of it. so often this happens when something just meant for the billionaires and the millionaires ends up hitting most of us. >> yeah. well, let's not forget when you're talking about some of these tax increases, this would

be on small businesses. that's where a lot of the economic growth in this country occurs. it's those businesses with 30 employees or less. that is really where biden's tax increase, they're targeting that $400,000. often times that's businesses that are creating a lot of the jobs. david: that's a great point. they're businesses, they take their profit as personal income, and then they pour it right back in their business. i've got to switch to immigration, senator. we don't have much time, but i want to hit as many points as possible. we just got word today that the situation at the border is getting so bad that they're thinking of flying up to the canadian border a lot of these immigrants that are jamming our border, our southern border, and that includes flying some of those immigrants to your state of montana. what do you think of this idea to sort of move the immigrants from the border all over the united states? >> well, it's a terrible idea. they need to focus on the root cause. remember, exactly two months ago today the president biden was

sworn in, he did a couple of things that really up leashed this crisis. he stopped construction of the border wall that sent a message to the rest of the world we're not serious about securing the southern border. he reversed that remain in mexico policy which creates incentives now for these illegal immigrants to come to our border and cross. we just heard we're going to hit a 14-year high in february with illegal crossings. in fact, biden's own homeland security secretary mayorkas said they expect the most in 20 years. and for montana, we're a northern border state. we have a problem with mexican cartel meth and heroin. so t not just the illegals coming across, it's the flood of mexicans -- [audio difficulty] meth and drugs to our communities, destroying them. david: just if we can -- by the way, your sound is coming in and out. we may have to cut you off, but the filibuster. it is under attack. the filibuster, essentially, is

a guarantee to the minority in congress from, to protect them from what used to be called thety think of the or -- the tyranny of the majority. we're one of the few democracies that allow the minority to have rights in congress. liz warren claims that it's racist. but again, this is something that was expected to protect the minority. seems to be the opposite of racist. i mean, i would like her to ask senator tim scott if he thinks that the filibuster is a racist tool. what do you think about her comment and about the future of the filibuster? >> well, i think calling filibuster racist, frankly, is outrageous. here's the problem, david. the democrats -- this is schumer -- wants to completely take control of power in the united states senate. it's going to be about d.c. statehood, puerto rican stated hood, four liberal senators added to the senate forever, as well as completely

reconstructing the supreme court and packing the court. this is about a power grab and reconstructing, basically, our government as we know it today. that's at the real core of what's at a stake in this debate about the filibuster. david: do you think it survives? >> it's a good question. i think that comes down to probably joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. they have been saying the right things to protect the institution, frankly, to protect the republic and not allow the incredible power grab that the's going to happen with d.c. statehood, puerto rican statehood and packing the court. david: it depends on the backbone of two senators. >> we're 50-50, it's going to come down to them most likely. toughed david senator, good to see you. have a good weekend. well, the white house saying president biden remains committed to passing his tax plan despite the ongoing challenges of the pandemic. now just coming out of a really difficult time, is that the time to be raising taxes?

to discuss, luke lloyd, adam lashinsky and frances newton stacy. good to see you all. thanks for coming in. luke, i want to begin with you. coming out of the last great recession, we had the obama/biden add manager raise taxes -- administration raise taxes, increase regulations, and we did have one of the slowest recoveries from a recession in history. are we heading in the same direction now? >> yeah. so this is the worst possible time to hike taxes and increase regulation. believe it or not, when the rich have more money, more jobs are created and more money flows through the economy. when you take money from the wealthy, they don't change their lifestyle, they change the lifestyle of those that work for them. is that what democrats want? let's take a step back. or what are taxes meant for? they're meant to pay for things the public markets aren't good at and to increase the overall welfare of america. today government spending is so inefficient and goes towards all

kinds of ridiculous things. there's no reason for tax rates to be high if we made government spending more efficient. life is about incentives. capitalism creates incentives. incentives create jobs. incentives create opportunities. take away the incentives, and jobs don't get created. the reopening party is just getting started, and we need to let the party get crazy, not calm it down by raising taxes. david: well, francis, we also see a lot of states, individual states recognizing how important incentives are. a lot of companies in new york, a lot of wealthy individuals in illinois and california are moving to low-tax states like texas and like florida. i mean, tens of thousands in the state of new york, it's the really hurting our revenue. so some of those states in our country because we're a republic, individual states have power, have been thinking of lowering their taxes. now we get this ruling from the treasure i department saying -- treasury department saying if states lower their taxes, they have to pay money that they're going to be receiving from covid relief. we had the ohio attorney general

who's actually suing the federal government for that on earlier in the week. here's what he had to say, i want to get your reaction. roll tape. >> the federal government's not allowed to do this. they're only given the powers that are enumerated in the constitution, and the tenth amendment says anything that's not enumerated to the federal government belongs to the states or the people. and there's nothing about dictating state tax policy in the united states constitution. david: francis, does the a.g. have a point? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, the difference between states and the federal government in most cases is the fact that states have to balance their budgets. so you're going to have some states that try to get federal aid in order to do that, and you're going to have some states that are going to try to grow their way out of it. and this sort of precludes them from being able to do so and gives them only the option of being completely dependent on

federal aid. the political environment is if you canning. so it's a way -- fickle. so it's a way to try and rebalance from to covid where you have so many businesses and people considering moving out of these states because they don't want the tax burden, particularly those who have been hit hardest by covid. businesses willing to make the expense to do it, and that's frightening somebody, so we've got to roll it back. david: adam, you're from a high-tax state which has been doing very well primarily, i guess, because of the folks in your neighborhood in silicon valley who have been making out very well during the pandemic, all the social media companies, etc. but those states that are losing people, shouldn't they have the freedom to lower their tax rates without being penalized by the feds? >> i think the constitutional argument is laughable. nobody's forcing states to take federal aid, and the constitution does grant congress the power to tax and then to

spend, obviously. the classic example we all know is back in the '90s when the federal -- '70s when the federal government said you don't have to lower your speed limit to 55 miles an hour, but if you want federal tax dollars from the gas tax, you do. and so the states did. i mean, les a long precedent -- david: they did for a while, but then the states fought back, and now different states have all kinds of different speed limits. the point is, is that we are a republic, and individual states have a chance to experiment. >> absolutely. gloriously democratic republic, david. i could not agree with you more. and, you know, luke said something from his college republican textbook that the federal government's terribly inefficient and wastes all of our money. it's the federal government -- under the last administration, by the way -- that did operation warp speed that is going to bring us out of that pandemic -- david: that's true thement because of the wonderful union of federal government with the private sector. >> absolutely.

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troubling. look at this, 14,000 children in our custody, unaccompanied minors, 9500, and hhs here. and then there are 4500 in the care of cbp. here specifically where i am, el paso, the border patrol chief, gloria johnson, is issuing a statement saying the highest population for the el paso sector is the unaccompanied miners with a 96% increase compared to february 2020. this prompted the d measures s secretary to make his first trip to the border with senators portman, peters, murphy and cap toe. overall, the texas governor greg abbott has decidedded this unacceptable, and here's what he said. watch. >> what we do know is this, the biden administration is unprepared for the size and the amount and number of people

coming in as well as the covid, the water, health challenges that all these migrants are facing. so this is a total disaster by the biden administration. >> reporter: however, up in washington not everyone agrees with that. speaker pelosi saying the administration is doing can enough. listen to this. >> i think that the administration is pulling this thing under control. and i think it's important to know that. the difference between the at tuesday toward the people -- attitude toward the people and the children is so different in just these two months versus what happened in the past four years. >> reporter: now, david, you have covered the border, you've visited these border towns. i have just gotten from a source in the last 30 minutes the number of apprehensions in the last 24 hours across all texas sectors, and it says in the rgv, ground zero for this crisis, about 195%. del rio, 271%.

el paso up 143%. laredo up 131%. all sectors compared to last year. david? david: you know, the weird thing is, griff, there's an inverse relationship. the number of immigrants coming in, flooding in, tragically, the unaccompanied kids among them is huge as you just mentioned, but the number of arrests, i.c.e. arrests, they're supposed to arrest the really dangerous immigrants that have repeated arrests and have been involved in violent crime. that is way down. it's only a fraction of what it was a couple of months ago. so i might assume that there are a lot of dangerous criminals that are not being arrested because i.c.e. agents are too busy taking cower of the immigrants at facilities, right? and that must be a fear to the people of texas. >> reporter: what a great question. and, remember, a few weeks ago the i.c.e. director, acting i.c.e. director changed their protocols and their enforcement

rules. but you look at the people coming across the border, let me tell you, just a few hours ago the deputy border patrol chief, joel martinez, in the rgv sector tweeted out pictures, they have identified one murderer, one ms-13 gang member and two known sexual predators. and so the question now is with those individuals coming across, if they're not caught and they get to the interior, will i.c.e. have the manpower to go after them? these are questions that a lot of the critics of the administration are raising, and you put your finger on a good question. it should be part of the conversation. david: thank you so much. coming up, chad wolf, acting director of dhs, we'll bemu talking to him coming next. ow tt liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need?

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♪♪ >> our reporters used to be able to get ride-alongs, and you all came in and promised to be the most truthful and transparent administration, and you all, you know, oversee the department of homeland security. so if you all wanted to grant access to the press, couldn't you just tell dhs to do it? >> again, we fully support transparency, and i would encourage you to talk to the department of homeland security about any requests you have. david: reporters calling out the white house for a lack of transparency at the border as the influx of migrants continues to grow as you just heard from griff. dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas visited yesterday, but no cameras were on almost. why can't we see it? with me now is former a acting department of homeland security, heritage foundation visiting fellow chad wolf. by the way, we did reach out to secretary mayorkas, have not yet

heard back. secretary, good to see you, thank you for being here. what do you think, is there an actual cover-up going on here? >> well, the coffer-up's questionable -- cover-up's questionable, but it is absolutely shameful that reporters, the media, the press and others cannot tour some of these facilities. i know that dhs has concerns about privacy issues about covid-related measure, but those things are workable. you can get press into these facilities. we did it back in 2019, we did it to federal -- sorry, family residential centers where we were housing families, and we certainly did it in the donna facility and others that are up and running. it can be done. the question why aren't they allowing press in there to look at some of these facilities. some of them are very well run by border patrol and by dhs, so i think it's a good news story at the end of the day for the department but, clearly, they're concerned about something, and the fact that you can't get press in there -- david: i mean, jen sake's -- jen

psaki's in a difficult position denying that it is a crisis although she let it slip out the other day that it was the a crisis. but she -- her argument that hhs is preventing these ride-alongs from happening, if you got one phone call from president trump when you were acting director saying, look, let the press go on these ride-alongs, wouldn't i you have had to do it? >> oh, absolutely. and it wouldn't are have taken a phone call from the president to do that. the department has an obligation to the american people to be transparent about what they do. so having press embedded in some ride-alongs or in system of these facilities, now, you can't give them 24/7 access, unfettered access because there are privacy and other concerns, but you can designate times, and you can get them in there if you want to do that. if you want to have that transparency. i would just say that, you know,

obviously, president biden came in talking about transparency and unity, and i can't think of something less transparent than not allowing are press into an unfolding crisis along our southern border. david: we just got these new figures, about 15,000 unaccompanied kids that were being held in both dhs facilities or hhs facilities and border patrol facilities. i have the cover of a time magazine article. this is from july of 2018. of course, it was totally made up, that never happened. it was a photo op decision that time magazine made for that. but wasn't, isn't the situation now even worse than it was when time made up that cover? >> as far as up accompanied alien children -- unaccompanied alien children, absolutely. the number you showed in your last segment far cheese the number -- exceeds the number of

kids dhs had during the 2019 crisis when there was such outrage and, obviously, when that cover was. dhs right now and cbp in their custody at the height during the trump administration, we had about 26-2700 uacs. today they have almost twice as much, not quite twice, but almost. so that's a concern. and it goes back to the messaging that the biden administration is telling would-be parents and others in northern triangle which is if you get your unaccompanied child to the border, they will stay here in the united states, and that is a very inhumane message, and it's a senate pull factor -- significant pull factor. and it's rye how see the huge -- why you see the huge numbers today. david: the whole point of this magazine was to portray president trump as inhumane. i think it's far more inhumane to provide a lure of unaccompanied children by getting rid of policies that seemed to be stopping the flow of unaccompanied children.

>> right. absolutely. i mean, that's what it is at the end of the day, because a lot of these children don't qualify for aa sigh lumbar, and a lot of the families don't qualify for asylum. so, essentially, you're selling them a lie. we know about 90% don't qualify. when they get released into the country, you have to deport them back to their home countries which the biden administration is not enforcing and not letting i.c.e. do their job to do just that. david: now, i'm wondering, and i'm just going do you briefly to talk prettily. in fact, we only -- politically. we only have about 20 seconds. why do you think this administration's taking the political cost of all this craziness at the border? what is in it for them to be able to absorb the political costs of the crisis? >> well, i think in some respects they are listening to the far left advocacy groups along that border and, you know, obviously they were very much opposed to what the trump administration did securing that

border and bringing integrity back to the immigration center. and i think they swung so hard and they tore down a lot of the procedures and policies that i think a lot of this surge caught them by surprise. it shouldn't have. we talked to them during the transition about the consequences that would occur if you pulled some of this back, so it shouldn't have been a surprise, but i think it certainly is, and it's why you see fema and these emergency measures that they're taking. they're trying to get it under control, and at this point they've swung too far to the left trying to appease that side of their party, and it's very unfortunate. david: chad wolf, it is very unfortunate particularly for those kids. our heart goes out to them. chad wolf, thank you very much. appreciate you joining us. a current aide to new york governor cuomo becoming the eighth woman accusing him of sexual harm, and now prosecutors reportedly circling closer to the governor in the nursing home death probe. where is all this heading? attorney andrew mccarthy joins us next.

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♪ david: well, a new development in the andrew cuomo scandal breaking overnight, an eighth accuser coming forward to accuse the new york governor of sexual harassment. this time it is a person who is a current aide in the governor's office. that is alyssa mcgrath. all this as the fbi's reportedly investigating cuomo's role in the alleged nursing home death count cover-up. what do all these new revelations mean? former assistant u.s. attorney and fox news contributor andrew mccarthy. andy, good to see you. frankly, i think the cover-up of the nursing home deaths leading to thousands, potentially a cover-up of the reporting of thousands of deaths is more serious, but the political lethalness, if you want to use that phrase, of what's happening with these sexual harassment accusations, i think, is what is eventually going to pull him

down. could these accusations lead to criminal charges? >> well, certainly, david, the nursing home allegations are being looked at in a criminal investigation by the fbi and the u.s. attorney's office in the eastern district of new york. and on the sexual harassment side, the last accuser before alyssa mcbharrat that we learned about, the unidentified one -- mcgrath -- actually alleges a sexual assault which is a crime under new york law, the groping under the blouse. and i think the importance of alyssa mcis she's acquainted with the thus-far unidentified woman who says that she was groped which will add some balance to that story. you know, i think you're right that the nursing home, obviously, from a public policy standpoint is the more significant story. but in terms of the overall

erosion of the governor's support, i think it's all a package. david: i think you're right. let's talk, though, about the fbi and brooklyn prosecutors, what they're looking at. specifically, it's the charge that the administration -- that the cuomo administration provided false data to federal investigators looking into the whole situation with the nursing homes, am i right? >> yeah, you're right, david, but there's an important thing that i think we need to recognize about false statements cases which is what i think the fbi is pursuing here, this idea that information was withheld from the federal government which started asking questions about the nursing home deaths in august. and that is what we always think about with false statements is affirmative things that you say that are wrong or that are false. an important aspect of false statement cases are things that you're duty-bound to say but

conceal. so sometimes an omission is as important as an affirmative misstatement, and i think that's especially important here when the cuomo administration's story through the lawyers and through things that have been said by the administration is that what they told the federal government was true. it could be truthful and accurate, but the question is was it complete. that is to say, were they duty can-bound to turn over -- duty-bound to turn over information that they withheld. david: well, you were in the prosecutor's office. how long is it going to take for us to know if there's a specific charge or more? >> well, i don't know. there's a lot of people to interview. on the other hand, it's not usual in a false statements case that you have the governor's top aide telling legislators that they withheld information. so that's, you know, that's a kind of a leg up that prosecutors don't often get. david: now, of course, they're making the political excuse concern it may not be a legal excuse, but they're making the

political excuse that the trump administering was out to get the -- administration was out to get the cuomo administration and, therefore, you know, they were just trying to protect themselves from a rogue justice department. does that hold any water at allsome. >> not legally, but i think, you know, cuomo's first thing is he needs to survive. and in new york being, you know, blaming things on trump is something that gives you traction. i'm not saying it should, i'm just saying that's a fact. a. david: but it's not a legal excuse. >> nope. david: there's another accusation that just came up, as if he doesn't have enough on his plate, that the governor was also trying to shield some of his political donors from covid-19 lawsuits. now, this is according to various press reports. we don't have specifics on this, but there's the greater new york hospital association which had donated close to $2 million, some people say even more than that, to various cuomo campaigns. if that's true -- and, again,

it's just ap an allegation at this point -- but if that is true, could that result in criminal charges? >> well, again, it's way too early to tell exactly what they did. and it's hardly an unknown that people who contribute somehow get a higher quality of justice and treatment from the politicians than those who don't or don't contribute as much. but i think it's way early to be saying -- it sounds to me at the moment like it's sleazy, but a lot of stuff that's sleazy, as we know, can david, is not criminal especially because sometimes it's the sleazy people who write the rules. ca. david: well, that's for sure. all right. it's a political parlor game, but i've got to ask you, do you think cuomo's going to resign? he hasn't so far, but is all this piling up to a point where he's got to leave before he is actually impeached? >> no, i think he's basically saying i dare you to impeach me. and he knows that inner shah's a

very -- inertia's a very strong portion -- force in politics. a lot of democrats are say he should resign, but if he won't, we should let these investigations work out. they don't want to do the affirmative, energetic thing that it would take to remove him, so the easy out is to say let the attorney general and the federal prosecutors do their work. david: it is a messy affair. andrew mccarthy, thank you very much for coming in, appreciate it. well, spring is specially here today. congratulations, ladies and gentlemen. but because that mean sprung -- does that mean spring weather will be here to stay? find out coming next. there are that's great, carl. but we need something better. that's easily adjustable has no penalties or advisory fee. and we can monitor to see that we're on track. like schwab intelligent income. schwab! introducing schwab intelligent income.

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it. rick: yeah, it's coming. it's getting much better for so many people. happened this morning, 5:37 eastern time. talk a look at some of these temperatures today, high temperatures. dallas, 68. new york, 56. seattle, 52. phoenix,85. so definitely some spring. a very chilly morning, and here's your temps if you're still just waking up right now. 39 in new york, so still very chilly right now. but i tell you what, we have a really nice stretch of weather for almost everyone. one thing across parts of the southeast, a little bit of a storm developing right off of the coast of the southeast that's going to to keep things right along the coast unsettled, just watch for that over the next couple of days if you're maybe heading out to the beaches. and across the west, this is really where all of our action's going to be probably for the next week or so at least as far as snow goes. in fact, take a look at this, this is the forecast snow over the next week -- i hate to do this for spring, but take a look at this.

the east coast, nothing happening at all. i think we might skate through without any more snow at all, but across the west we really need moisture across the four corners especially, especially snow, anything we can eke out is certainly going to be good news. maybe a little bit across parts of the far northern plains, but temperature wise, this is today. into the 60s all the a way up into the far northern plains, 61 for fargo, amazing for this time of year. we're going to be talking about temps even all the way in towards upper new england into the upper 50s for much of this coming week. next bout of severe weather maybe by next week across parts of the southeast. that'll be the next big weather story we talk about for the next few months. david: chicago about 10 degrees warmer than new york. good for them, they deserve it. it's been a tough winter there. rick reichmuth, great to see you, thank you very much. well, spring breakers

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across the country? i'm sorry, that's the old segment. let's roll up, please, because we do have another segment here. spring break season is in full swing, and you wouldn't know there's a pandemic by looking at all the party goers flooding the florida beaches, but leaders there are doing their part to make sure everyone is following covid rules including in clearwater, florida, where incentives like gift cards are being offered for good covid behavior. is that really working to keep people safe? joining me now is one of the people behind the program, steve hayes. good to see you, steve, thank you very much for being here, appreciate it. tell us exactly how this works. i love the fact, by the way, as an economist that incentives matter. you're borrowing from the first rule of economics that incentives do matter. but are they working? tell us how it works. >> thank you, david, for having me on this morning. and our program was simply called rise and shine.

and one of the things that we wanted to accomplish was to let visitors know coming to our destination here in st. pete/clearwater of the various, you know, covid regulations that we had to help protect our visitors as well as our residents. and that was very simple, we're asking you to mask up, to spread out, to sanitize and probably the most important of all is to be patient and kind while you're here visiting. and so this message we sent out not only to visitors coming into the market, but also we were sharing it locally so that our residents also know what we're telling our visitors because, again, we need both of them working together to make this successful. and then the other element to this was we wanted to have our street team go out and then be in areas where we know we have visitors and then randomly go through. and if we see people exhibiting the good behaviors, provide them a $25 gift card that's good in

local businesses -- david: well, here's the question, let me just ask you a question about what happens after folks have a couple of drinks, maybe once they first arrive, they're cooperative, and i love the fact that you use incentives rather than restrictions, because i think incentives always work better. they certainly create less animosity. but after you relax and you been there a few hours, you have a couple of my ties on the beach -- missouri tyes, aren't you more willing to take off the masks, etc. >> well, an example would be if you're on the beach and you are out on the sand and you're with your group of people, you don't necessarily need to wear your mask. it's when you're in other areas where you are not able to physically separate, the distance that you would go through and wear your mask. the other part, again, that we're appealing to is also the personal responsibility. so going through and saying, hey, god, we really like the

fact that you did this, this and this, and here you go to enjoy something in one with of our local businesses, but then also appealing to that personal responsibility of really protecting all during this time. david: and, again, i don't mean to hard press you here, but the fact is a lot of spring breakers want a lot of close contact. i mean, that's one of the reasons that they travel from all around the country to go down there there. do you really find it possible to break up some of the close encounters at bars? >> well, and again, it goes back to the businesses that are there, if we've helped educate the businesses to say, hey, if you need to put up signage, if there's things that you need to do to help get that message out, again, get 100% compliance isn't going to happen, let's be realistic with that. but, you know, again with, i think the more people that we can tell, the more people that can help in this program and be able to take that personal responsibility, i think the better that we are.

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this, there's going to be a lot of pushback, griff. is that going to ease the situation down at the border? >> well, david, good morning. they're trying to find any way to alleviate the stresses of an overwhelmed system and while "the washington post" is reporting that they're thinking about flying migrants north, up to montana and south dakota, they're already flying migrants from the rgb sector over here to el paso and here in el paso they shipped maximum capacity in their center. when secretary mayorkas he went to the border and then to the center at capacity accompanied by a bipartisan group of four senators, portman, peters, murphy and capito. the first photo coming out of that processing center provided by cvb can see a migrant family

here and they came from rgb over to el paso on a flight. after the day, you had a couple of tweets. one that just came out a few hours ago from senator murphy and here is what he says about it. he says the biden team is doing the best they can. they stay so long in detention, the surge which started last fall is so large and two, trump dismantled the asylum system including these kids to apply for asylum before they enter the u.s. portman tweeted one thing is clear the biden's dismanting of the previous administration's process, increased border patrolman power is critical. we talked to some of the migrants who were being

detained and here is what they said about the white house's message not to come. listen to this, david. >> do you think more will come under the new administration? >> so first-- and the other part of this equation, not just what to do with the number of migrants and possibly flying them north, i can confirm in the rgb sector they already have about 250 personnel, personnel flown from northern sectors down here because they need them to do processing to keep the agents that know the line, as they call it, keeping watch and do things they normally do when the system is not overwhelmed. quite a problem, david. david: quickly, griff. i notice that those were still shots of secretary mayorkas by the border. still no ride alongs for the

press like you, right? >> he came, did not speak publicly, there was no press availability and we have no access to ride alongs, interviewing border patrol chiefs or getting inside some of these facilities to see firsthand what the conditions are like. david: very interesting, thank you very much. griff jenkins, we appreciate it, as we've been noting it's not just texas. towns all over the southern border are bracing for migrants to be dropped off in their communities. chris riggs is the mayor of gila bend, arizona. he joins us with more. what are you expecting, mayor, what have you been told, if anything, from the fed whether you're going to receive any of these immigrants. >> first, let me thank you for having me on your show. as far as what we're expecting, we are expecting drops. we've been lucky in that thursday and friday's scheduled drops, senator cine ma was able

to intercede. they're drops within 30 yards of our schools, it's in a park and understand, gila bend is a small community. we do not have a lot of parks. our central park is our primary one for our young kids and older kids to have basketball, to have gym equipment, or play equipment, you know, so they're going to drop all of these migrants and we're hearing 30 and more per drop on us, and quite frankly, we don't know what we're going to do with them. we're really perplexed because the funding that fema was supposed to start releasing to these non-governmental organizations is getting stalled.

so we've got nobody picking them up. david: it's extraordinary we were talking about trillions of dollars in covid relief and we don't want to diminish that, but at the same time you have states like texas having to spend $800 million trying to fill the void of the federal government in terms of dealing with all of these immigrants. you don't have the money for it. and as if that wasn't bad enough, you have this tremendous drop in the number of ice arrests. the ice agents are so busy taking care of the kids at the border, they don't have time to arrest the really bad folks coming across the border that they know about. that must be adding to your anxiety. >> it's not only adding to my anxiety, it's adding to the number of people we see coming in here on foot and in just the last three weeks it has exploded in gila bend with the amount that are travelling through here.

and it's not just people looking for a better life, it is drug runners, it is the human interest offers that are trafficking young girls for poor decisions, but trafficking young girls for sex trade and we're just seeing way too much for a small community as we are and we are looking at having to spend upwards of around $500,000 and i know that doesn't seem like a lot of money to larger cities or larger towns, but for a town who is very economically depressed, that is a huge sum of money that we're going to have to let a lot of town services go that we offer our local residents just to be able to try to fill this void to deal with the situation that the federal government created. david: mayor, you have been very vocal about this

particularly on our channel about your concerns. have you heard any-- has there been any reverberations? have you heard back from the federal government from anybody at dhs sort of explaining how it's going to be done, how you're going to be paid back and how you can help? >> from none of the departments. senator kyrsten sinema, the rest of the departments are mute as far as it comes to us. david: doesn't receive pull with the federal government? >> she's doing-- what what i've seen she's doing the best she can. she could probably use more help. david: a lot of towns, even as far north as montana we just talked to the senator from there because that's where they're planning to ship some of these immigrants. mayor riggs, good to hear from you again. we wish you the best, our prayers are with you. >> thank you very much. david: well, the c.d.c. now allowing students to be closer, so are there any more excuses for schools to be closed?

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>> attention parents and kids. the c.d.c. just issuing new guidelines for the classroom. students can now be a little closer to their classmates and their teachers. so what are the specifics and how quickly will it get schools to reopen? lucas tomlinson is in d.c. with the latest? >> that's right, the c.d.c. is relaxing social distancing in the classrooms. many parents hope it will get children back to in-person learning. previously they said six feet apart and revised guidance says students can sit three feet apart if they wear mask. the plastic shields between desks are no longer required and six feet in common areas and teachers should be six feet apart. and in recent studies in

massachusetts no significant difference in covid infection rates between students three feet or six feet apart and they cited another study from florida which found a majority of students who contracted the virus got it outside the school. >> and the third study looked at covid-19 among students in florida and found with 60% of cases in students were not related to spread in schools. it also found that resuming in-person activity was not associated with proportionate increase in covid-19 cases. >> of 1.2 million children age 17 and under who tested positive for the coronavirus between march and early december last year, only 2.3% required hospitalizations, less than 1% died. not everybody is happy with the revised guidance. the president of the second largest teachers union in the country. the issue is that this is being driven by space concerns not by safety concerns. i just hope this is not a rush

to put in twice as many desks in a place where we're really starting to get things reopened. >> according to a study, as many as three million children have gone without any education, neither in-person nor virtual during the start of the pandemic a year ago, david. david: unbelievable. lucas, thank you very much. my next guest says it proves it's time to get kids back in school. darla, the president of the children's scholarship fund which provided private schooling for over 185,000 children in need. you do great work, darla. i don't know if you just heard the teacher's union president there saying we shouldn't be in a rush to get kids back to school. a rush? a rush? i mean, we've-- you've had kids in private school back in schools, in-school learning for some time now in the private schools. have any of them gotten sick? >> well, not in the school. they have shown, just like he

reported the virus spread hasn't been happening in the schools. one thing covid has gotten politicized and in some cases that's resulted in underestimating the risk and people might have done stupid things as a result of that. in the case of school closures, there's definitely now an overestimation of the risk and resulting in people being way too willing for schools to be closed so long there's overwhelming evidence of harms to children in terms of the academics and mental health and in some cases there's food insecurity issues, some children rely on going to school in order to have adequate nutrition. so, it's unfortunate that it's got politicized. i heard the union rep say it was the result, it was about safety, but i think it's more about politics than the strength of the unions and i don't know if individual teachers would agree with not going back in the classrooms. david: i hate to add something

material into the equation because it is the safety of the kids that's most-- our biggest concern right now, but there's also money. the charter schools, by the way, which are mostly nonunion, correct me if i'm wrong, but a lot of them have stayed open and they charge about half as much to educate one kid per career as the regular public schools with the union teachers charge, plus they're getting almost $200 billion from the three covid packages that we've passed over the past several months. 200 billion dollars, i mean, what could you do with that kind of money? >> well, we could educate a lot of kids. as you say, the private schools, the catholic schools have been opened since september. they've done it safely, done it continuously. there's really, at this point in time, i think it's hard to sincerely say, based on all the research, all the studies that have been done, american enterprise institute just reviewed 130-some studies and

when you weigh the risks of the kids not being in school against them being in school, it's so overwhelmingly the case that at this point children, that the vast majority of children are being really harmed by not having schools reopened. david: and the main thing, i think, is the issue of choice, darla. the fact that american parents and students should have the choice about whether or not they are-- at least how their kids are being taught, if not whether their kids could be taught in the classroom and i think you would have said before what this pandemic has done is rip back the curtain of the power that the teacher's union has to dictate to parents and students and teachers in many cases what they want to do. >> yeah, and i would say one interesting they think that this last stimulus bill did, it gave everybody a check. i would say for a lot of parents, if you're looking at next year and saying, i don't

want to live through this again, i don't want school open, closed, remote, not remote, not knowing what to do. i would say take your check go to your local private school, local catholic school and make a deal, they'll take you. you can pretty much be guaranteed your child will have in-person learning five days a week next year, no matter what happens with covid variants and openings and closings. kind of got a voucher from the federal government. i know our parents prioritize paying the kids' tuition in front of rent, even in front of groceries. we never want them to do that, but that's how much they care about children's education. david: well, it costs about $30,000 per kid in new york to educate a kid, $30,000. if you had that $30,000 don't you think you could do a better job of educating, i would like to ask every parent that. darla, you do great work.

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>> taking it to london now, anti-lockdown protests are erupting all over the place around there across the pond. demonstrations like this one are expected all over europe today. police trying to disperse the crowds and directing folks to get home and a lot are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. did you see governor gavin newsom says he knows about being a remote parent, even

though his kids have been in the classroom and private school since november and special presidential envoy for climate, john kerry caught maskless on a plane. he said it was for a few minutes, but some calling the hypocrisy just wrong. will there be political fallout or a recall effort in california? let's ask the strategies kelly, and amanda, by the way we did reach out to governor newsom and he declined to join us. we'll let you know if that changes. i think that americans have had it with the hypocrisy of those people who create the dictates and refuse to follow the dictates themselves. >> i couldn't agree more. look, this started with nancy pelosi, a maskless nancy pelosi getting her hair done. david: that's right. >> and with the california laws when every business was shut down. democrat mayors and governors, then over the holidays telling their constituents not to travel, not to gather and yet

doing that very same thing themselves. but, look, i think the thing that for voters is going to be etched in their memory is that governor gavin newsom can't feel their pain while a single mom is juggling her career while schooling at home. you've got the berkeley teacher union dropping her off at private school and him saying it's not safe in public schools. it's hypocritical and voters will remember that when they vote next year. david: maybe before voting next year. does this have an impact on the recall effort in california? once again it does remind people when he was eating at that restaurant, despite his orders that other people shouldn't do it. >> right, well, we're going to have to see what the california voters decide. if you believe in democracy like i do. it's up to them get out and vote and let their voice be heard, but i think we need to talk about the more important issue, get our children back to school. i think that's really important ap my thoughts go off to the

parents that are struggling their jobs and taking care of their kids and teaching them as well and that's really important and something that's important for the voters and we should think about that? well, and we had a segment about it. we're thinking a lot about it here. amanda, the bottom line though is what happens to governor newsom and what happens to john kerry is very different from what happens to average folks. i mean, we have many examples. for example, there was a family that was kicked off a plane because their two-year-old wasn't wearing a mask. i think we have vo of that. and he was asked to get off. that didn't happen to john kerry and goes further than that. there was a woman in a texas bank, another private setting like american airlines, who was told to put a mask on in a state where it's not mandatory. she was in a private sector, a bank just like an american airlines plane. she was wrestled to the ground, this 65-year-old woman, handcuffed and dragged out of

there, kicking and screaming. that's what happens to average americans, not to people part of the political elite like john kerry. >> that's right, john kerry has been travelling on a private plane so long, he's forgotten he has a wear a mask, even in first class. really i lay the blame at american airlines for not picking up on this and not doing anything about it and their response has been, we'll look into this. i'm sure if someone was wearing a maga hat or any type of conservative paraphernalia they would have been treated differently as you said. this is the hypocrisy that people can't stand and unfortunately this has been on show with the democrats the last year. david: kelly, there have been moments and i think of the tea party movement that happened and did affect the 2010 mid term elections kind of dramatically. do you think that we are approaching a moment like that where the midterms coming up in

2022 are going to be reflective of the dissatisfaction of americans with the elitism that they found with the political class? >> i don't think so. i think what's important for the american people is what biden is doing, the american relief package that he put together to help the american people to put food on the table to help businesses, small businesses that are struggling personally, professionally and financially and americans support that and i think it's important to the american people to have that. david: amanda, it's true americans supported overwhelmingly the $1.9 trillion of spending, but there does get something deep in the craws of americans when they see the political class operating in a way that doesn't befit an average american and doesn't justify some of the rules that have been made for the rest of us, right? >> that's right. i mean, this is the hypocrisy that people can't stand and we've seen it over and over again. and it's almost been exclusively among the democrats

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>> well, new york's hometown airline may soon be a florida based company. jetblue is determining whether to head south when the lease ends in 2023. has companies based in the em tire state deal with high taxes. adam, let me go first to you. here on the east coast, a lot of folks are thinking maybe we don't have to go to the office after this is all over. maybe if we don't, we could do it just as well from florida or texas as we could do it from new york. do you think it's going to be something that affects business decisions about where to set up operations?

>> absolutely. there's some segment of the population, and some segment of the business population that thinks that way. it's not the first time we've seen this movie. this happened in new york city in the 1970's, it was unsafe and undesirable for a number of reasons. david, you know, i'm a new york lover who lives in california and places like new york will always hold appeal for many people, including many business people and no amount of low taxes or lower regulations or sunshine is going to change that in the long run for most people. >> francis, i've got to tell you, i'm a new york lover and i've lived here, you know, like adam for the past 40 years and i do love it. it's a vibrant city, but in the best of times, but let me tell you these have been the worst of times and even a new york lover like me has been thinking about getting out. >> well, i know, it's sad but true, right? i am also a new york lover, will always love new york. from a business perspective and

from jetblue's perspective they're a publicly traded company. publicly traded companies always have to look at their balance sheet. when they have record amount of leverage on the balance sheets and lost 1.4 billion last year, the fact they're considering going through the expense and pain to relocate to potentially florida is showing you what's actually been trending where businesses have been moving out of california since 2010. they've lost 24 billion in revenue in california between 2010 and 2018 so it goes to show you, businesses don't like taxes, why do businesses not like taxes? because they are beholden to their balance sheets and they're publicly traded. >> luke, the fact that you pay a high premium for living in new york. now, a lot of people think that it's worth paying that premium of whether it's between, somewhere between 6 and 12%, depending on your income of how much extra you pay in taxes for being here. if those extras are gone

because of the pandemic and one of the extras, frankly, since the giuliani administration was low crime, but that crime is picking up again. it's not just the pandemic, it's other factors that make that premium kind of hard to justify, right? >> yeah, it's sad, but crime is actually picking up all around as well. when it comes down to it, jetblue, along with every other company makes money from having a home in places people want to go to. well, red states are where people want to go to right now because they are open. businesses are tired and fed up with taxes, ridiculously priced real estate and uncertainty of the shutdown states. my only fear is that these companies move out of a blue state and red states and it makes the state they move into a blue state. what's stopping them from shutting down or doing something similar when there's uncertainty. people are tired of being shut down. companies are tired of being shut down. the work from home trend is causing companies to reevaluate

their office space and headquarters like we talked about, work from home. less overhead and space equals more profitable. more profitability, higher tax prices. david: let me get away from stocks, adam and talk about working with other people in an office situation. even people who made money like reed hastings, the founder of netflix, you have to get back to the office because there's something about a laboratory environment where the people working right next to you are thinking of the same ideas you are. that's where you come up with the right business decisions that make sense and that add profits to the company. isn't there something necessary about getting back to inoffice work? >> yeah, i totally agree and this is somebody who has largely worked remote for a very long time, including a lot of the tv work that i do, david, as you know. when i'm in your new york studio i feel this electricity and this warmth of being with

the team. i think some percentage of the work force will continue to work remote and it will be a higher percentage than it was before the pandemic, but most will go back for exactly the reasons that we're talking about. david: you said a higher percentage will go back to in-office work than before the pandemic? >> no, no, what i mean to say a higher percentage will work remotely than the percentage that worked remotely before the pandemic. david: gotcha, right. >> it will be more prevalent, but i don't think it will be dominant. david: i hope you're right and frankly a lot of politicians in new york hope you're right because they need the tax revenue. thank you for being here, appreciate it. speaking of airlines will you soon need a shot in the arm before you fly in the sky? another accuser coming forward against new york governor andrew cuomo. how is he responding? we'll take you live to london and also where lockdown protests are beginning to heat up. you can see them there. cell phone repair.

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>> we want to take you back to london and pictures happening on the streets there. a lot of protests, these are against the lockdowns, tempstrators have been clashing with police as they try to disperse the crowds. the marchers are ongoing, it's not live, but trying to push through the police cordon there, and it's happening all over europe and shots from london moments ago, we want today bring those to you. the government for its sake say half of folks in england received one shot of a vaccine of one kind or another, but sticking to lockdown orders until people are vaccinated. meanwhile, looking forward to a trip to paradise after the pandemic lockdowns, a lot of people are. well, you may now need another passport if you're travelling internationally to prove that you've been vaccinated.

delta airlines ceo saying he supports the vaccine passports for all international travelers. but is this really necessary? joining me now is nyu langone professor raj. thank you for being here, appreciate it. do you think it's really necessary to have a vaccine passport? >> well, i think it could be very helpful. you know, obviously we've been dealing with this pandemic for now over a year and we want things to get back to normal as quickly as possible and for those who have been vaccinated with a risk to travel to the people in that country. if they can prove and have documentation that they did actually get the vaccine and it's a very credible type of proof like the digital passport that we're talking about, it's a way to open things up more quickly. you know, right now people have to get a covid test before and after they travel and some of the things, those documents can be forged or changed or lost and not sure where that

information is going. this would be a much more secure system and one that could be trusted. >> it sounds like you're saying it could definitely be more helpful, but not necessarily necessary. a many i right in that? >> well, i guess how do you define necessary? i think it will be one of the elements necessary for us to get back to travelling again in a healthy way. david: but hold on a second. whether or not you should be prohibited from travelling unablely if you don't have one of those vaccine stamps? >> well, there would be, i'm assuming, other measures to talk. for example, what they're doing now, taking a covid test, potentially after they land again and return. and i think there would be an alternative for people who don't have the vaccine. this is a better way for governments and travel authorities to keep track who has been vaccinated and streamline them. >> and you know, it's the tracking that bothers a lot of people, frankly, doctor.

because a lot of people don't trust governments to have that information, knowing all of our business, what we're doing, either with our movements or internally with our bodies, et cetera. there's still a lot of pushback on that. how long, even if this is not a mandatory thing, it's just a suggested thing, how long are we going to have to continue with this, for months, for years, for decades? >> i think it really will depend on how soon we can reach that term, herd immunity and i think we'll reach within a year i would say, i don't think it's something we'll have to worry about a decade from now, but the point is most the people vaccinated even if not everyone has, then the disease really goes into a dormant state and we don't have to worry about it on the same level. so i think this is a long-term issue. david: let's thank god on that. i want to turn to something internationally. tokyo, japan just announced they are banning all foreigners from the tokyo olympics, the

2020 tokyo olympics, they're going to hopefully be able to refund 600,000 tickets that have already been bought by people around the world. what do you think of this? is this a little too cautious or on target or what? >> well, i think it's on target in terms of what we know right now. so the olympics are later in the summer, we're not exactly sure what's going to be happening at that point, but you know, this is obviously a decision that was not taken lightly, as you've said, it's the huge number of tickets refunded, but i think that japan is feeling they're not on track to have everybody vaccinated or have the disease totally under control by july and august when the olympics are and you know, for the threats competing and the huge difference and not having the fans there, at least the games themselves are going to be conducted, but i think that japan is right now kind of erring on the side of caution. with their projections they don't think they will be fully

under control. david: dr. raj, thank you. an eighth woman is stepping forward with her accusations against governor andrew cuomo. this time she's a current aide of the governor. how is his office responding. hi, alex. >> hi, david. as you mentioned this is the eighth woman to come forward. she is the first to come forward with the accusations while she currently works for the governor. a lot of people we've seen have been former aides. she's a current employee, her name is melissa mcgrath and she gave an interview and accuses of governor of staring, making inappropriate or suggestivive remarks and of course, comments on her looks, something her lawyer responded to, quote, this would be unacceptable behavior from any boss, much less the governor. the governor has repeated that he did nothing wrong, but he did apologize for making anyone

uncomfortable. cuomo's attorney responding to this report saying the governor has greeted men and women with hugs and a kiss on the cheek, forehead and hand and yes, photos with his arm around them and uses italian phrases like cioa bella. and some call for impeachment and more lawmakers are speaking out today. >> the women are finally feeling comfortable coming out and after not feeling comfortable. however, the illegality is in the nursing home scandal. >> more than 15,000 died in nursing homes and some of their family will gather for a memorial. one will take place at washington square park and they're demanding that cuomo be

impeached of the an hour later a separate rally will take place for supporters of the governor, people who say they do not want the governor to accept down and that will take place outside of his new york city office later today. david. >> alex hogan in new york. alex, thank you very much. the first high level talks with china turning nasty and we've got the videotape. you don't want to miss this. where is the showdown heading? >> the united states does not have the qualification to say it wants to speak to china from a position of strength. we can't do this wellness journey alone right. find that right coach, the one that speaks to you and you'll hear that thing that you needed to hear. we've all got your back team lisa, this week alone, has lost 4,000 pounds. we're all here to help you succeed. kickstart your weight loss with the new digital 360 membership from ww, weight watchers reimagined. join now, pay later!

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>> we'll also discuss our deep concerns with actions by china, including taiwan, hong kong,

cyber attacks on the united states and toward our allies. >> the united states does not r have the qualifications it wants to speak to china from a position of strength. david: wow, the biden administration's first talks with china getting a little nasty there, but our former president donald trump's tariffs actually giving president biden's team leverage in the showdown. and i tell you, when the person sitting across the table says you do not come from a position of strength, speaking to the united states of america, i get a little worried. do you? >> well, yeah. i mean, when you try to talk to the chinese about human rights, this is what happens, usi should have known that. and it's interesting to ask yourself would the chinese have acted this way if they were negotiating with donald trump or mike pompeo from the previous administration? a fairly confident, arrogant

duplicitous delegation, this was supposed to be following much more higher profile visits with the secretary of state, but it didn't turn out that way. david: secretary blinken began before he met with the chinese when they came out with the policy statement really critical. it could have come from mike pompeo saying that we despise the stuff that you're doing with hong kong. we stand behind taiwan, in case you have any eyes for maybe going there. we despise what you're doing with the uighurs there, but to what end? i mean, were these just words without any backbone behind them? >> that's the big question. i think blinken actually does believe these things, but there's a struggle within the administration, as in the last administration and this is unusual historically where the state department is more hawkish and the white house. and curt campbell wanted a

meeting with the chinese going early on. so, a big difference, but the question is, is this just sort of posturing, you know, going to japan and to south korea, to go through the motions of alliance maintenance before the administration goes soft on china? i think that's where the best money is. and unfortunately, i think what came out of anchorage was an agreement for a working group on climate change, that's a license for john kerry, the climate czar at the white house to start working on the deal of the century about climate change with china and that's not going to come cheap. david: i was shaking my head. china so often uses climate change for other countries to limit the amount of stuff that we spew out while they keep spewing out much more because they're not-- they don't have to adhere to the same restrictions for years that those restrictions that the paris accord forces us and the europeans to adhere to almost immediately. >> and that's the incredible

naivete of prioritizing negotiations with china. i mean, look how good china is or at least this government in china is at keeping its word. it agreed with great britain and then with the people of hong kong to respect democracy, to have a high degree of autonomy. they've completely murdered democracy in hong kong, they have a key media figure publisher after important newspaper in jail. no bail for him. they agreed with the united states and president obama not to attack us in cyber space, just direct unequivocal, very clear agreement and they break that just about every week and they're going to break this agreement, too. but that's sort of par for course that they know they can sucker left-leaning u.s. governments in this. it was true with the kyoto agreement and paris and whatever the chinese know they'll pocket the pageantry and legitimacy knowing they don't have to fulfill the agreements. david: one thing that the biden administration brings to the table is the tariffs by the

trump administration and gives them a little leverage to negotiate whatever it is they want. i'm wondering, the chinese know politics in the united states as well as any of us do and they're seeing that they're getting rid-- biden is getting rid of everything that has trump stamped on it. will he be willing to jettison the tariffs? >> biden was okay with the aluminum, but those on half of what we import. i think that congress will be upset if they sell technology to companies like huawei, but some of this will get go away in a rush to get to yes. david: and it's a tough start. let's put it that way and see how our negotiations with the chinese. and we won't talk about their role in spreading the virus and

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