struggles, whatever they are, everybody has had those so i think they will see his goodness here. >> harris: all right, we will get it, the book out from shannon bream, thank you so very much. "the women of the bible speak." and thank you for watching "the faulkner focus." now it's time for "outnumbered." and we will start with the new details emerging about the suspected gunman in the shooting at boulder, colorado, grocery store. ten people are dead, 21-year-old suspect reportedly previously known to the fbi and was linked to another individual under investigation by the bureau now. meanwhile, some journalists, activists and lawmakers are facing backlash for jumping to conclusions on the race of the shooter before his identity had been released. morning it was another white man again, that he was, that it was he most likely a white domestic

terrorist and another saying the shooter was taken into custody and in other words there was also certainly a white man again. democratic congresswoman ilhan omar also faced criticism for this tweet about the gunman's race. here's what she tweeted. "the shooter's race or ethnicity seems front and center when they aren't white, otherwise it's just a mentally ill young man having a bad day. narratives drive our responses to crimes committed against innocent people, pay attention to these responses. however, critics are pointing out that just days earlier, omar brought up the race of atlanta mass shooting suspect, who is white. she tweeted this. "it's hard to understand why it's so normalized for law enforcement to protect the humanity of white mass murderers and their willingness to continually make excuses for them." let's get right to the couch.

i'm harris faulkner, here today is my cohost emily compagno, syndicated radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall is here and joining us on the virtual couch for the very first time, former florida attorney general pam bondi is here and in the center of that invisible couch, politics and media columnist for "the hill" and fox news contributor, joe concha. welcome, everybody. your response to all that representative ilhan omar has kicked off in terms of this? >> pam: harris, as a prosecutor for years prior to being an attorney general, i have said this, so many shootings in florida, you don't

look at the race of anyone involved, you are focusing on the victims. what you can do to help the victims. if anything, does this guy have mental health issues? that's what everybody should be looking at, not the race and legally the only time the race of anyone comes into play would be race, ethnicity, gender is one you are focusing on the actual prosecution of a case as a hate crime. so yeah, to take it to that level, trying to be more polarizing by her when she could be helping to bring people together and talk about the victims, talk about mental health issues in our country, it was a shame, it was really sad. >> harris: i want to double down with you just a second because that's really interesting, what you're saying is that we just don't know enough in the beginning to even let it be about a hate crime, about anything so that calls into question, how do we get to race, then, how do we arrive there? >> pam: exactly, harris, you are not focusing on that and it's a shame when someone is even looking at that, you are focusing on the victims and we are not going to know a lot for a year because they are going to delve into his mental health, all the issues that are

relevant, the only time race, gender, ethnicity would be relevant as during the actual prosecution. if it was proven that the crime was purely motivated by hate towards one of those categories. >> harris: you know, joe, in this particular instance, we have a couple things in these times, we have a suspect who is still alive, either he didn't take his life or get caught up in gunfire as they were trying to going to get them, he still alive so we have that but we also have the family of the suspect talking a lot, like that brother of his, of the suspect you see here, his brother has told us quite a bit about his mental state and other details about his life. >> joe: yes, this is a suspect i was constantly paranoid, somebody who is antisocial, somebody who had severe mental problems but again, we have a rush, remember that rush to judgment, we have a rush to

motive, by politicians and members of the media and pam bondi can a member this case quite well five years ago in orlando where everybody jumped to a conclusion in terms of the motive of the shooter and it turns out he was basically ashamed of his sexuality. we saw that in atlanta as well, everybody said it was a fact that this was absolutely a hate crime when six asian-americans and two white americans were killed there, it turns out as well that it looks like, according to police, they can't find any evidence that this had anything to do with anti-asian bigotry. instead, do you have a person who was a a shame he was buying sex and wanted to eliminate that at the source, because of his religion and he was ashamed of himself. "the new york post"... i'm sorry, "the new york times" ran nine stories pushing the

hate crime narrative. 16 stories in "the washington post," pushing the hate crime there as well in atlanta and it turns out it looks like more and more that it was anything but and we see all these trillions of dollars being spent on all these different bills, covid relief, infrastructure bill coming, $3 trillion perhaps, how much of that money is going towards fighting mental illness, helping people with mental illness, i'm not hearing a lot of people talk about that and if we are going to spend all this money allocate a couple hundred million towards that because this is a growing problem in this country particularly coming off a pandemic, harris. >> harris: a lot of people are questioning how much more undiagnosed and further cases of domestic violence and mental illness and how it plays a role in the 334% hike, champion young people ages 12-17 hurting

themselves during the pandemic, the isolation, the undiagnosed mental illness that has festered and grown to just a unsurmountable amounts in our country, you wonder, are we focused enough on that? leslie. but in the gap -- >> leslie: i am the only one on the panel married to a brown muslim man. i have a lot to say about this. when the suspect in boulder, colorado, was taken out both the video and print did say a white man taken out by police, they weren't sure at the time that he was the suspect. when you found out that he was from syria, what was trending? "islamic terrorism, islamic phobia, muslim." not everybody who is a muslim certainly is a terrorist or

leads to isis. there is a jump to conclusion but i have to say, being someone that has experienced prejudice towards my husband and children with regards to islamophobia we do see that the shooter was muslim, we don't see a christian terrorist, we don't see the word christian, we not see the word jewish. we don't see the word "buddhist" the religion is usually muslim if it is mentioned. i do agree there needs to be more comprehensive legislation directed towards mental illness, there is a consensus in this country and i think we are going to be talking about the gun issue a bit later but there is a consensus in this country that if somebody is mentally ill, having guns get into their hand is dangerous but i think jumping to conclusions is dangerous because it shouldn't be about the suspect, it should be about the victims and sadly in so many of these attacks we know the name of the shooter, we know the name of the murderer, the perpetrator, we don't always know the name of all the victims and they are the ones that

should be remembered, they are the names that we should hear. >> harris: so fascinating how you reached the same point from different points of view. emily? >> emily: right, we often talk about in this ongoing conversation we have with each other about the boxes people insist on shoving others into and how all that does is remove all of the overlap that actually we all are and so i think the greatest tragedy about jumping to those conclusions, because it's really difficult to unwind the narrative, we speak a lot about how once a narrative is established within this story is false as it may be, how difficult it is to actually republish the truth that people have put in the rearview mirror, and to pam's point about federal law enforcement it's going to take maybe up to a year is that by immediately jumping to that conclusion, putting something into a box it removes the

open-mindedness, that we could all use in order to reach an appropriate conclusion that there are many overlying factors, mental illness likely being one, plus a whole other host of factors that are simple being ignored. and i think the chyron at the bottom saying journalist jump to conclusions, all that does is a disservice to all of us who are relying on them for the truth and they can set that example along with the leaders like representative ilhan omar, kiersten said it best, the red state editor at large rush he said he would leadership should set the example, you should set the example for all of us by refraining and restraining yourself from jumping off into this narrative that turns out to be wrong, simply to gratify your own assumptions while the rest of us. >> harris: you know what? thank you to everybody on the panel because, i mean, everybody opened their hearts and really shared, it's not an easy topic and to get to a place where we can listen and talk to each

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>> emily: welcome back, we are now 24 hours away from president biden's first solo news conference since taking office. 63 days into his presidency and is the longest any modern-day commander in chief has gone without holding one. the pressure is also on the white house press corps and what will be a major test for news organizations and reporters encumbering the president. joe concha, i'd like to start with you on this and refer to margaret sullivan's article in "the washington post" where she says the burgeoning number of migrants including thousands of children indeed is a legitimate concern and valid story about much of the news media seems to be using it to show that they intend to present biden in just a critical light as they often did trump our list of whether that's deserved. joe, here it seems to be the focus on the man and not the press and the ulterior motives they might have, not in uncovering the truth. >> joe: it's a simple matter

of ask the president questions that are relevant to the american people, the price is here to hold the powerful accountable. whether it's donald trump or joe biden, the question should be fair, they should be tough and hopefully we get that tomorrow but i say that this should be a joint press conference with the president and the vice president taking questions because the white house just ordered all agencies to start saying the biden-harris administration, you've got the vice president doing, the vice president doing calls with foreign leaders in joe biden's place for example perhaps she should finally take some questions as well because i think she's ran from the press more than even joe biden has to this point. i will share with you a couple questions i'd like to hear asked tomorrow and any reporters that are out there that will be in that room you are more than likely to steal these, because i won't be there. here's one question, white house press corps, okay, so

mr. president, you said that the governors of texas and mississippi were neanderthals because they lifted their mask mandates. yet here you have facilities at the border that you won't visit filled to more than 700% capacity and you have hundreds of migrants testing positive for covid who are then told to please quarantine if you can but otherwise you can just go out as if these migrants have someplace to stay for two weeks to quarantine, isn't that literally a super spreader event, sir? of what you said that this $1.9 trillion v-8 relief package was essential to reopening schools yet most of the money for schools is going to be spent in 2022 after the vaccines that your administration administered takes effect and we are over the pandemic, what you say to parents that say reopen now, sir, and your cdc director that says it's safe? mr. president, you told cnn last month that your administration didn't have a vaccine when you entered office yet you received

two doses, why won't you give your predecessor credit for this particular vaccine if you are the unity candidate? speaking of the unity candidate, why haven't you spoken to mitch mcconnell even one since inauguration day? i believe he is a senate minority leader and yet you are passing these trillion dollar packages without any republican votes or speaking to republicans in any way. is this how you define unity, sir? in addition to all the executive orders? those are a couple questions i'd like to hear, what you think? >> emily: i wish you were part of the pool, joe, because those questions are fantastic and we all deserve those answers. it is possible indeed to be critical in scrutinizing while also being respectful, they are not mutually exclusive. why is into the press able to do that, then, when again it's all of us that deserve the truth? >> pam: emily, that's so true and you know, being the subject of many, many press conferences when i was attorney general and

not having the luxury of a teleprompter, i got up and gave many press conferences and let the press ask me anything they wanted, good, bad, ugly on any topic and i try to answer to the best of my ability. that's so true and for the most part in florida, for the most part, some of them were respectful and i think we've just gotten so far away from that because they dislike president trump so much that they did not ask him fair questions or respectful questions and one question i would certainly have for president biden, as a former prosecutor would be, do you understand wanting to create basically open borders, that the sentinel is coming from china to mexico and being smuggled in in our country and the human trafficking is rampant in our country. >> emily: leslie, do you expect the press corps will be respectfully critical in scrutinizing to the amount, to

the degree that americans deserve tomorrow? >> leslie: i hope so, i mean, that's their job, that's the one thing i would agree with joe had said. one of the things i love when you listen to, the bbc, you know, they really nail the prime minister with hard questions and you know, there's clearly no political bias and there shouldn't be, a journalist is there to report the facts so that the people watching or listening or reading can form their own conclusions, certainly there need to be questions about a plan, about the border, a lot of questions about immigration on the border, is an executive order going to be used with regard to gun control, those of the kinds of questions i certainly hope to hear, not trying to put on the journalists who put ask what color air force one is going to be but i think the american people want that. speaking of the american people, a harris poll shows that 52% of americans don't feel the lack of a press conference has anything

to do with transparency in this administration. so i'm glad he's finally having a press conference, i think the questions and they should be respect for, if you don't like the person or the party you need to respect the office of the president of the united states. >> harris: i don't know how he could use a teleprompter, not only with the questions have to have been vetted which maybe that will be the case but you'd have to be at home answering all of them and having somebody type them in and what if the news changes and they are trying to change the news today the administrator by sending white house down, white house staff down or officials down to the border with one loan photographer in that group to capture for all of us to see, it's a start, my goodness, on day 64, that's a lot. quickly, i love what you said, emily, about asking with integrity and respect, that should be across-the-board, board, having interviewed more than one president, former

president bill clinton was like that, and when i sat down, you know, more than once and talked with former president trump this week via phone he was open to all of those questions. it's an open door policy from that leader but it's also from the reporter, respect and integrity and i treat everybody the same and have been treated the same. >> emily: you set an example, harris, certainly. i hope we get not only the depths we are talking about but also the breadth, i hope he gets questions from everything from north korea, china, russia, the border, opioids to schools and the pandemic on everything, all these issues because everything the family has different issues that affect them at home and we need to hear his thoughts and policy on all of them. coming up, a host of "the view" facing backlash after calling some gun owners selfish and unpatriotic, watch. >> i feel like a hostage to the selfish people who insist on owning these types of weapons.

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measures already passed in the house but at least one left-leaning pundit has chosen to take aim at some gun owners themselves, going after some of them as unpatriotic, watch. >> i don't think we can any longer you equate freedom with the unfettered right to own assault rifles. i feel like a hostage right now, i feel like a hostage to the selfish people that insist on owning these types of weapons, that is not freedom in this country, you are not a patriot because you think you have the right to own these types of weapons. >> harris: i come to you for two reasons, i know you know the law and how it can and cannot change and i also just want to get your response to that. >> pam: sure, well, first, it's interesting because i believe she lives in pretty much a mansion, a ten bedroom home and i guarantee she has an

incredible security system in her home and perhaps armed guards so people need to be careful say that we cannot exercise our second amendment rights under the constitution of the united states of america to have guns in our homes, legal gun owners and secondly what they are forgetting, when i was a prosecutor, harris, i was on a case and this is during president biden's term -- he sees me, president obama's term in office, president obama, we were working on a case where they were smuggling all kinds of firearms, assault rifles, everything into our country from mexico and they were going straight into florida, multiple countless guns and drugs coming in from mexico throughout our country and into my state and that, those guns are going to be gotten by bad people, no matter what, bad people are going to get their hands on guns, those guns are not going to help homeowners stay safe and that's what they need to focus on in my opinion. >> harris: you know, emily, i

do have a question about that in terms of how the laws changed that joe biden jumped to so quickly after the show yesterday because it was, it was within hours, but that's what politicians do but how could it work, you know? because bad guys are always going to get them, changing the law doesn't keep a bad guy from getting a gun unless he plans to try to buy it illegally but if there are that many illegal guns on the street i don't think that he or she really needs to try that hard. >> emily: that's exactly part of the effective counterargument to all of these measures measures being proffered as well as the over-bay and over-broad definitions or lack thereof so people who are law-abiding gun owners are left only confused and knowing once again that we have a government that wants to restrict their riots and we also have liberal elitists, that want to restrict their gun ownership.

furthering this narrative, that exists that the liberal elites want to take away lawful gun ownership. what right do these gun owners have? they do have the right to own these guns, absolutely, and there is a different conversation around taking away guns from law-abiding citizens and then ending violence, those are two separate things and always with these knee-jerk reactions those things are totally conflated meeting again, law-abiding citizens and those who appreciate and respect the constitution as written and as a check on the government, there is no for them to go. >> harris: what i hear you saying almost and correct me if i misunderstand this, there's actually more rights for someone to own the type of gun then it is for sonny hoffman to want somebody to take it away, that's what i hear you saying, the way the laws work right now. depending on what you do with that gun. former president trump told me this week that there was a list of things that democrats are

going to make their way through in terms of far left-leaning policies, he put taking away guns on that list, is that fair? >> he said that during the campaign, certainly and it is fair. he said it monday, okay, he also said it throughout the campaign as well, look, instead of me just giving my opinion of what i think will happen, devils and angels on my shoulder in terms of what i feel may happen, all you have to do is go back and look at the words of joe biden, the candidate who said that he would put beto o'rourke in charge of his gun program, beto o'rourke advocated for confiscating guns, having police go to peoples homes and say you've got to hand over that ar-15 now, hand over these assault weapons and that's what killed, essentially, beto o'rourke's campaign so if that's what joe biden said that's a person he wants to put in charge

of the sort of program and i have to trust with the president said instead of what i think he may do, does that make sense? >> harris: we have to get to some breaking news right now, the ten people killed and monday 'mass shooting in boulder, colorado, is speaking. let's watch. >> she was a when she laughed hard. i will really miss her and her personality and just her being around. she has a little brother who is taking this really tough. really tough. so please remember him in your thoughts and prayers. she was like a daughter to my mom. my parents raised her, for the most part.

my mom essentially lost a daughter and a granddaughter. my sister lost a niece. it is tough. i think i'm ready for questions. >> we will start with andy from the denver post. we have a reporter at the denver post with andy. we've heard he was trying to save people and lock the doors of the story. >> i haven't heard about that, i'm sorry i can't answer that. >> that's going to be part of the case investigations or maybe

some of those details. >> go ahead. >> from "washington post"? >> hi, do you feel like your family is getting the support they need right now? >> yes. >> we have laura robinson from cnn. >> could you describe, what would be a dream job? >> she was living her dream, she wanted to be a nurse but that plan got altered, she had a backup plan.

she was pursuing her dream of being a store manager at king sooper's. she loves the outdoors, she was into campaign, into golfing, she loved golf, she played softball and she was younger, outdoors type of stuff. that's what she enjoyed. >> brian willis with rocky mount cbs. noel phillips with the post? matthew jonas with the camera.

>> my question for you, what will you remember about rikki or what will she leave behind? >> rikki live life on her own terms, rikki was going to do it rikki felt was right and if it didn't work out, rikki would change and do it a different way. rikki didn't care about her hair color how many tattoos she had, she was a strong, independent woman. thank you. >> can you talk a little bit about the relationship she had with her little brother? >> rikki was a workaholic so it wasn't like they spend a lot of time together but that time was cherished. cherished by both of them, you know, because they had both dealt with some trauma so they

had even a closer bond because of that. >> denver 7? msnbc? >> it was the last conversation you had? >> well, it was my mom's birthday the previous weekend. she had made plans to come over thursday to kind of hang out and celebrate my mom. that was it. >> cbs news? >> you mentioned in your statement, give us some

examples. >> just like the hair, just like with the tattoos, i don't know, not caring about being judged, about being your own person. >> do you have one? >> i worked at king soopers with rikki, rikki network of blood dance to the music, we call that her gorilla dance, she would flail her arms, anything to make you smile and make you laugh, if you are having a bad day, rikki was there to make it better. in our department we had nicknames for everybody and rikki wore her hair in braids a lot so we nicknamed her wendy because her hair was always changing and she always had to go braids in her hair, she would do anything to make you smile, i can definitely recall us talking

about tattoos and how, you know, what are you going to get now, what are you going to get next? and we joke about how we should get his name just for fun. so rikki would do anything to make anybody happy or smile and if you need to pick me up you knew where to go. my full name is carlee lough. yes. >> carlee and i coached basketball together and carlee and rikki worked together at king soopers. the one that just keep sticking

out in my head, is when rikki was little she would travel with me and my son and my family to a baseball tournament and rikki's name for me, we'd be at these tournaments and they'd finally be over, it would be "donald's today?" which meant she wanted to go to mcdonald's. for some reason that memory keeps popping up in my head and, you know, maybe it's the pure innocence, when they get to the toddler stage and start to realize their personalities. >> how old was she? >> around four or five.

>> stephen with "the new york times." >> harris: we have been listening to the uncle of one of the victims of the mass shooting at the supermarket in boulder, colorado, 25-year-old rikki was someone who they described as a shining light in a dark world, living her dream. her uncle has been telling the reporters there, he made a quick statement and started taking questions, her goal is to be a king soopers supermarket manager and she worked at several locations but where she was she was the front end floor manager and one of her coworkers was sitting just adjacent to her uncle and her coworker carlee said if you needed a pick me up, rikki was the person you wanted to be around most, she danced, she did everything she could to make you smile. 25-year-old rikki, one of the ten people who died at king

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>> harris: vice president kamala harris is about to sit down for a one-on-one conversation on friday with former president bill clinton. the event will be hosted by the clinton global initiative and the two will discuss the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on women and the ideas of empowering women and girls in the united states and around the world. i wonder how that conversation is going to go, will they have participation from the audience and if joe concha is there, what would he ask? >> i think we should also invite, here, anita brodrick. "i wonder if howard university would like to include me in their empowering women event with bill clinton to discuss how i survived being raped by bill clinton. would you have any comments on andrew cuomo as described by

president biden last year, there are now eight allegations of sexual harassment against him yet you've made no public statement is but the fact that you as a former prosecutor somehow decided to make brett kavanaugh, the supreme court nominee at the time guilty until proven innocent, anything to say there or on past allegations against bill clinton, and there are many. i think that will be a pretty good question. >> harris: i file podcast coming on, just ask joe or let him ask. >> joe: i love it. >> pam: i think the cuomo question has to be asked by someone in the audience, anything about empowering young women is a good thing, it's great to talk about empowering young women but to be interviewing bill clinton about it, maybe not the best person to be interviewing about it. >> harris: leslie? >> leslie: i don't agree that she's not the best person to be

asking about her, she has not come out with regards to her opinion on cuomo, i think she will follow the president's lead on that and he should be removed. she did believe tara reade, she also was one of the first women when she was a senator to say that al franken should step down, she is the first female vice president of the united states of america and alumni and cosponsor of this event and of course the clinton foundation is bill clinton so to have these two people at this event is not surprising and honestly i don't think it's inappropriate because they are talking about how the pandemic has affected women in this country and empowering girls and women going forward. >> harris: i'm sure part of the conversation, people are inside their homes in those situations have been made it worse, domestic situations. it's interesting to me, emily, this is the same timing with the

new name for the administration. it's not the biden administration, it's the biden-harris administration, are we seeing a shift? she's a woman. >> emily: technically it is the biden-harris administrations, that's a break and protocol to represent it as such and it could be that they are elevating this incredibly notable, historical achievement of being the first female vice president. to respond to this topic of the clinton foundation, secretary clinton and chelsea clinton will be participating as well as in addition to global leaders, aclu leaders, global justice leaders so i think for optics, the conversation then becomes this, it becomes bill clinton's participation rather than having that elevation of how women are affected disproportionately by the pandemic and lockdown so i hate using this word but i wish

that it had just simply been secretary clinton and chelsea clinton so we could have focused on those substantive things. rather than the optics and i have to wonder, who is adjusting this, who is auditing this, that's what i don't understand, the check on this that approves the decision to include him. >> harris: so many good questions. all right, we will move on. as major american cities come along home to a variety but some recently arriving liberals think the events are at displaying toxic masculinity and are bad for the environment. ♪ ♪ here's huge news for veteran homeowners. introducing refiplus from newday usa.

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>> canceled culture is in overdrive as there is a pc fight in austin, texas. attendance and a new luxury building are fed up with car clubs that have been a part of the community for decades, one resident calling them a toxic display of masculinity and another thing they harm trees and create noise and noxious odors. i know a little bit about this, i have had an end '72 mach one for over ten years and it is real loud and that is nothing tc about that car. it's the great equalizer, every one come all different genders and colors and shapes and sizes and cultures come everyone loves my car, it's not just about one group of people that these residents have made it about. your thoughts? >> when you bought the unit in the building come in the neighborhood you were buying into, why do you assume they are all liberals and three, my son loves cars come he's only 13 but

counting the days until he can drive and we will buy him one but lastly, they could reach a happy medium and say hey, can you turn the music down a little bit? especially some music that might have some bad language, i think they can learn to get along, invite each other over, lunch, picnic, cocktail. >> i don't know if that will work, great. pam, your thoughts? >> emily, i think you are going to be invited to austin next sunday for this good, clean family fun. with everything going on in our world right now don't you want to see events like this out there on a sunday afternoon? this is what you want to see exactly so i can't wait to see you out there soon. >> i love that, thank you. joe, bring us home. >> let me get this straight, you were an attorney, now you are on tv, you were a raiders cheerleader, and you have a mock one. you are the luckiest individual on the planet! that is awesome.

i had mine stolen out of my driveway last august and i don't want to talk about muscles either because i tore my bicep tendon vacuuming. seriously, i lifted my couch, we've got to go. >> any time your son wants a ride we are here for us, us muscle car owners love it. thanks, everyone. here is "america reports." >> john: emily, thanks so much. good to see you back again. fox news alert, the biden administration no indicating they are aware of the devastating impact of illegal immigration despite refusing to acknowledge they are dealing with a crisis. welcome to the wednesday edition of "america reports." i am john roberts in washington. hi, sandra. >> sandra: we made it to wednesday. i'm sandra smith. president biden and vice president harris setting to meet next hour with homeland security