jedediah: thank you for joining us today, everyone. we hope you have an amazing saturday. will: take care. see you tomorrow. last time i drop one on tv. pete: have a great day. neil: you are looking live overdone a, texas, this is a drone shot of the facility and the locale of those 19 republican senators visited yesterday. we're going to be speaking later in this show with one of the key senators there, and the changes, he says, that need to be made and fast, and has some demands on the president of the united states maybe to come down and visit and see for himself. now, in this particular and at this particular facility, better than 1,000 migrant minors are being housed, altogether, 16,000 spread across a number of facilities and the numbers we are getting show them rapidly

rising, one study says by next week at this time, it could be 22000. by may, the end of may, close to 30,000. we're also going to be speaking with the retired acting i.c.e. director on what to make of this , but first, we want to go to mark meredith with the president in wilmington, delaware on what he is saying about this. hey, mark. >> neil, good morning to you. the white house says president biden is regularly briefed by his immigration team about what's going on at the border, but this comes as those republican senators you were just talking about were making it clear this issue isn't going anywhere and they want to keep it front and center what's going on on the border. take a look at some video that texas senator ted cruz posted on his twitter account last nice this comes after a tour on friday where you can see that there appear to be hundreds of migrants enter these border patrol facilities, underneath some mylar blankets resting on the ground. the video came after cruz and 18 other senators toured border

patrol facilities. the senators say the tour really backs up what they have been saying all along as they've been sounding the alarm about what's going on on the border for weeks >> the president of the united states and the vice president of the united states need to do what we just did. they need to come down here. they need to listen, and they need to learn. >> this week president biden tapped vice president harris to lead his administrations efforts to stem migration and the administration insists it's aware of what's going on even with reports of migrants some children dying trying to cross into the country. >> this is not a partisan issue , this is an issue where we are talking about people's lives , children's lives and we're focused on working with anyone who wants to be a part of a solution to address the challenges we're facing. reporter: as the team tries to decide how they are going to address the challenges the homeland security department shaking up an independent advisory council putting in some new members eventually as a sign

they want to go in a different direction from years past. still no word yet when president biden or the vice president may go down to the border to see what's going on for themselves, but neil, there are even reports that former president trump may go down in the weeks or months ahead to see what's happening but obviously, with so much attention from republicans and even some democrats about what's going on the border neil this issue isn't going away any time soon. neil: you're right about that my friend, mark meredith with the president in wilmington, delaware. a couple of other developments i want to keep you abreast of the new studies that the show the population of these migrant minors who say nothing of migrants in general is expected to balloon in the months ahead. we could be seeing up to 25,000 being held at the border and then moved on to different local es by the end of may, ron paletta is the former acting i.c.e. director, former chief of border patrol. ron great to have you back. this does seem like it's rap

rapidly getting out of control to move the existing migrant minors to new facilities we've already determined to place them in. there's a similar crowd following them, and then following them, and then them. where did this go? >> this is quickly overwhelming the system, liking these previous surges in 2014 and 2018 , the conditions that bring a surge are the lack of a consequence for coming into the country and not being removed. if you come into the country and you're released inside of the united states which many of these children will be they are going to encourage others to come so it's just the beginning of the beginning. those facilities are overwhelmed those pictures of those children , it's heartbreaking. i feel also for the workforce and their families in this situation. they've been dealing with this for several weeks, and there's nothing in the pipeline as it relates to rhetoric or changes in policy that's going to make this end and so building and augmenting the capacity at

the border is important and they need to do that because they are behind the curve, but the shelter space and hhs, congress has to resource that organization because again, there's no end insight to this. the solutions to end the search have always been detention until removal. that doesn't seem to be on the table right now. neil: you know, maybe you can help me just get facts straight if you don't mind, the president has claimed that this is, you know, something that happens in every administration. that we get these spikes and refer to the 31% spike, we got in people swarming to the border in 2019, and that something similar happened under the obama administration and during the bush administration. is that true? i do know we get these spikes but this one seems pretty much timed with the election of joe biden and then his swearing in, which fostered this view that a more friendly face was coming

into the white house, and even the mexican president had said that that was a catalyst for this , but what do you think >> well it's true that in the early days of the trump adminitration, starting in december, and going through the spring, of 2017, the opposite happened. people believed that there was going to be more enforcement at the border, that people were going to be detained and they were going to be removed. they figured it out in the spring and it started a surge then but the same thing happened here, right? people believed we were going to go soft on the border, the administration put out details of their immigration plan, and they also restricted interior enforcement to a very small number of circumstances, and so the word is out. we sent a signal to the people that are in this pipeline, that if they make it with their children, there's a likelihood they will be released and if they come as children alone they will absolutely be released in the united states and that has always caused these kind of surges and this kind of things at the border.

neil: let me ask you as well about a charge the democrats have made that this really had its origins in funding that was cut by the trump adminitration back in 2019 when $415 million was set to go to mexico and points south was taken away and then things got out of control. again, the timeline, when i look at it, doesn't seem to jive, but what's the real truth here? >> well i know there's been a huge investment by the united states in the northern triangle starting in the 2014-2015 surge. that was a program that was started to increase investment in those countries by private and brought on by u.s. dollars but i looked around and did some research. it's very hard to find any evidence that that investment paid off in anyway, and it certainly didn't prevent the surge in 2018 and it didn't prevent the surge ongoing right now so it is important to have international cooperation.

it's important for us to help the northern triangle as it relates to governance and anti- corruption activities but it's not going to stop what's happening at the border today. it's not going to help the dhs personnel and their families deal with what the crisis that's in front of us right now. neil: all right now these senators who visited donna, texas, facility, we get estimate s over how many are there right now up to 4,000 we're told, but it can only accommodate, it's supposed to house tops 250, so to say it's crowded be an understatement, and now more crowds are coming. we understand 18-22000 children could cross the border next month, another 25,000 in may. do those numbers make sense to you? >> well again, there's nothing that's going to stop, there's no way for us to get out from under where we are, and so you've got to feel for the situation that people are in. they think that, well they know.

these children know that if they make it in the united states, they are going to be placed here somewhere in the country, and so there's no reason for them not to stay away, there's nothing in the pipeline, there's nothing in the rhetoric and no policy changes afoot that will abate this surge, and so we're going to continue to see large numbers and continue to have that challenge, and i'm grateful that those senators went down there to bring everybody's attention to it. neil: all right ron, thank you for coming in on a saturday, you always help us understand what's going on down there and we appreciate that, the retired acting i.c.e. director, we also want to let you know that indiana senator among the 19 republicans who went to the border will be our special guest in the next hour and get his in- person read of what he saw along the rio grande, because he said it was a sight to see , to put it mildly. in the meantime we've got bob cu sack, with us, the hill editor and chief and bob, we are learning right now that there are reports that, you know, donald trump wants to go to the

border, see for himself what's going on there, and could get down there sooner than president biden, whose talked about eventually getting down there, but hasn't signaled or scheduled anything. what do you make of that? >> well i think it's a shrewd move by the former president, who is certainly thinking about another presidential bid and this does put the white house in a tough position of when it's harris or biden going to go, are they going to get there before trump and not surprisingly as trump has been more public doing more interviews, he's leaning into immigration, as are republicans so this is a real problem for democratic party whose gotten off to a pretty good start. biden got off to a good start, got the covid bill done but this is a real controversy. neil: you know, it depends obviously what network you watch and how much coverage you get. i never like to get into that game as you know, bob, nor do you, about whose bias is showing and all but this is certainly a serious situation.

we could say all day whether it's a crisis but when you've got a facility that houses at- best 250 or is meant to hold 250 and it's holding in at least 4,000, and you've got other facilities that have the same constraints that are holding thousands more and thousands more coming, that sounds like an out of control problem. >> yeah, it is, and you know, a lot of questions at the press conference were about immigration or the border and i think that was good for the media to press the president; however not enough journalists i think are pushing back on biden's claim that this is just seasonal spike s, this happens every year. i mean, neil these are record numbers, and the fact that you mentioned it earlier that the mexican president said part of the reason is because joe biden is president, and there's some reporting out there that suggests this is what's going on now i think the biden administration is smart to say and biden himself, don't come, and they're taking out ads to say don't come but if you're in a desperate situation for your

family you're coming to the land of the free and the land of opportunity. that's not going to stop you from heading to the u.s. border. neil: you know, i'm wondering, there's a separate crowd that says that this is exactly what the administration wants and exactly what democrats want, that their polling data suggests that that is widespread support for helping these people out and it's not merely as controversial as others are making it out to be, and that there will be a growing base of support to fix the problem once and for all with a more friendly immigration policy, that joe biden would lead. what do you make of that because i've heard that one before. >> yeah, i don't buy that. i just don't think this is a good thing for democrats. it's a big distraction. the system is broken. i do think that the white house does lean into hey, we're more humane, we're not breaking up families; however these are cage -like facilities that are the same facilities that were around in the trump

adminitration and the obama administration until they are transferred to hhs facilities and unfortunately, this is a tragic situation because most of the situation, most of the migrants who are coming, are teenagers or children. it used to be single men, and now, its changed, so this is a complicated situation. congress should fix it but they are just not supposed to do it. neil: all right, bob thank you very much, great seeing you, my friend, bob cusack, the hill editor in chief and i want to tip my hat to bob before this was escalating into the serious problem it was, he was warning us to look at this , because it was going to merge into something and that is probably an understatement. in the meantime here, looking at infrastructure. 2 trillion, 3 trillion, not enough. how about 10 trillion? after this.

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neil: all right, $2 trillion for an infrastructure package, maybe $2 trillion, oh, please. why not go big. why not go really really big, try $10 trillion, is the plan being concocted by a number of progressives to push infrastructure well into the next decade. lauren blanchard joins us now from washington, lauren what are they talking about here? reporter: neil, go big or go home, right? well democrats are iing their at least two years with executive and legislative control as a way to pass big bills. even as president biden is touting his administration's passage of the $1.9 trillion american rescue plan, now, a group of progressive democrats, wants to put their own big ticket items forward. the progressive sunrise movement is petitioning lawmaker toss sign on to the good jobs for all pledge and it reads in part that lawmakers will work to pass legislation that "invests $10 trillion" over the next decade to create millions of union jobs add addressing the crisis of climate change, economic inequality and

systematic racism and also in the trillions president biden says his next major legislative priority is a $3 trillion infrastructure bill. the transportation secretary was in front of congress to layout their case as republicans are still angry about how democrats pushed through a covid relief bill with so many democratic priorities. >> across the country we face a trillion dollar backlog of needed repairs and peoples, with hundreds of billions of dollars in good projects already in the pipeline. we see other countries pulling ahead of us, with consequences for strategic and economic competition. >> the transportation bill i think needs to be a transportation bill, not a green new deal. it needs to be about roads and bridges. reporter: and president biden is expected to rollout that infrastructure bill next week in pittsburgh. republicans believe the bill will be a trojan horse for the tax hikes that will likely come with it because neil , someone has to pay for it. neil: yeah, we always forget that little detail don't we, lauren thank you very much

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neil: you know, when you talk about infrastructure, it always sounds so boring but when i talk about roads and bridges and highways and maybe getting our

internet under control and making it easier to use, and all of that, then you could almost justify the trillions of dollars they're looking to spend on it. one to two trillion, it could be closer to 3 trillion if democrat s have their way, lindsey graham has his way, i could see one to two trillion. let's say senator roger from kansas, sits on the small business and entrepreneurship committee among others. senator where are you on this , very good to have you, by the way, where are you on this and whether we should commit to infrastructure spending and if so, up to $2 trillion as lindsey graham seems to have reopened it. >> well i would sure never want to argue with lindsey graham. he's one of the most entertain ing people i ever met. he should be called the johnny carson of the locker room, and we probably agree on the same goal here, but we've already borrowed $8 trillion from our grandchildren over the past couple of years. this is pretty scary.

this last $2 trillion we've just borrowed, i would have loved to spent that on infrastructure, but remember, the bill they're talking about is not an infrastructure bill. the democrats they should call this the grab your wallet bill or this is going to be the raise your taxes bill. you know, my grandma told me there was three things you could count on the democrats to do. spend your money, raise your taxes, and increase your regulations so i'm all for infrastructure. we got to figure out how to pay for it and i just wish we would have prioritized infrastructure over some of these other issues, but the bill they're putting before us, the trojan horse and it's going to do all three of those things my grandma warned us about. neil: well, i'm sure your grandmother was aware that republicans are pretty good at least at spending money, so republicans are in the position now that question a lot of spending considering all of the spending and debt that built up under the prior administration and to be fair, senator you and i talked about this before that's been a bipartisan trend, democrats, republicans, so i'm just

wondering how, especially when lindsey graham seemed to leave out the possibility of paying for this , in other words raising taxes or anything like that, then are you open to that too? a $2 trillion plan and infrastructure, only plan that doesn't call for raising taxes. >> well look, i love to talk about an infrastructure plan, we have to figure out how to pay for it though, and that's what the democrats always leave out. i'm really not wanting to borrow a lot more money today. i think that the economy is recovering, but i'm very very concerned about all their new rules, their new regulations, i'm very concerned when they raise the taxes, they are going to kill the economy. you know, pre covid we had the greatest economy in my lifetime and that came about because we lowered people's taxes, we lowered regulations and we lowered energy prices, so back when gasoline was $1.70 a gallon, having some type of a user fee, maybe we would have considered it but now gasoline is already $3 a gallon and we

haven't even see the tip of the iceberg here, so it's going to be a challenge how to pay for it. neil: you know, transportation secretary pete buttigieg raised the possibility of a mileage tax , maybe the fact that so many people are getting electric cars and the like, that gas tax wouldn't even touch them. what do you think of that? >> well, like i said, i think it would have been much more palletable when gasoline was $ 1.70 a gallon but now it's on its way to $4 so that's going to be a challenge at the same time, i know the roads and bridges of kansas have never been in bigger disarray right now and that there are huge infrastructure needs that have been so good to take the $2 trillion we just borrowed and invested on infrastructure so the people we were borrowing it from could have used it, so i'm all ears, i want to listen, but i just think it's challenging times that we've already added so much money to the national debt right now that i'm concerned even raising taxes more could kill

the economy more. ultimately if you want strong roads, bridges, high speed internet all those things, good schools, a strong military, we need a strong economy, and that should be our focus right now is getting this economy up and going before we borrow more money from our grandchildren. neil: do you think, senator, that spending money in this way, on infrastructure, i believe the president cited that the u.s. ranks 85th on the list of countries and how much they spend on in per capita and i might be wrong on the figures and i didn't check his out, so i apologize but that it will pay for itself overtime. that's a line i hear a lot, that it will pay for itself. will it? >> well, we may never know, because again, this bill is not about infrastructure. it's more the focus is on the green new deal, adding rules and regulations, so if we're spending more money to get a road and bridge through the permitting process, than we do on the asphalt or the cement , it's never going to

work out. so we need all those departments within government functioning more efficiently. and truly shovel-ready means shovel-ready means 10 years through permitting and we need to get our house in order first and the potential is there and i'd much rather people be building roads and bridges than paying them unemployment checks but i really see unemployment in kansas less than 4% we're predicting a lot of 6% gapped growth towards the country and i think that the money is probably better-spent at the local level rather than raising people's taxes to do this. neil: senator marshall, very good seeing you, thank you sir. >> neil good to see you as well have a great saturday. neil: you too. in the meantime, no good deed goes unpinnished right? krispy kreme had an offer that if you could prove you'd taken and gotten a vaccine shot just one shot, two shots whatever they are going to give you a free doughnut and then came the food police and they're not happy with that offer.

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>> dr. fauci repeatedly says we have to vaccinate 70-80% "in order to reach herd immunity" it's just not true. i think what dr. mccarey is trying to say is people who have been infected already by covid-19 have a version of immunity also.

there's very good evidence now that surprisingly, being infect ed with the natural disease of covid-19 doesn't provide as much immunity to getting infected a second time than the vaccine does. so even people who have had the disease ought to get vaccinated and i'm sorry i don't know why dr. mccarey finds it necessary to turn this into a personal vendetta because that's not helping either. let's just all get the data together and figure out how to get our nation on the right path neil: all right i don't know, if it's a personal vendetta but obviously i wanted to be fair to dr. marty mccarey and responding to what the nih director was saying. dr. mccarey of john hopkins school and best selling author and doctor i was really trying to stir the pot and get you in trouble. it seemed to work but in all seriousness, the nih director much like dr. fauci seems to be

saying everybody is kind of on the same page, that the goal is eventually to get herd immunity but that he does seem to side with the dr. fauci approach that can best be scored when we get 70-80% of the population vaccinated so what do you think of that? >> well, neil, i have enormous respect for dr. collins, his book "the language of god" meant a lot to me as a young scientist and it's good to have multiple points of view though. we shouldn't function like a political party where everybody has to show their loyalty and support, and stick to certain talking points. science should be different and on the data, vaccinated immunity may be better we don't know. we've only had vaccinated people in this world for 300 days, maximum. the data on the reinfection rate on natural immunity is clear. it's about half of 1% to 1% and a strong suggestion that re infections are very mild and we know that those immuno suppressed and with organ transplants may be at increased risk so look you get

the vaccine, there's about a 5% chance you could get the infection. that's what a 95% efficacy means for the vaccine trials. you have the infection, there's less than a 1% chance of getting the infection that's the data. look i want people to get vaccinated too and vaccinated immunity is probably more durable in the long term, but for now we could have had a different strategy recognizing the power of natural immunity. neil: you know, doctor, if you think about it, half a million people worldwide have been vaccinated and it isn't proving in places like europe, certainly in places like india and brazil and i'm just wondering if that says something, that you need more vaccinations or at least higher percentages of them to round the bend, to change the a rc, what do you think? >> so a uk study looked at healthcare workers that had covid-19 and less than 1% got re infected and that analysis was done five months later. a lot of people talk about re infections, but it's a little bit like big foot. a lot of doctors say they've seen the case, but when you look

at the data, there's not a lot of data on showing that re infections are more than 1%. look, i think we're going to get into herd immunity from vaccinated immunity plus natural immunity. neil: what is your read of what's happening in some of these places? i think deaths have an averaging over 3,000 a day in brazil, india its gotten so bad but this u.n. program where they were going to share vaccines with the world, india is concerned enough we'll keep them here, thank you, because we've got our own crisis, in britain they are talking about a 60 day extension of these edicts that have already drawn protests in london. what's heck is going on? >> well these are largely un vaccinated areas and in europe you have surges where the vaccination rate is less than 11% but the uk, if you look at case numbers and deaths and hospitalizations they are all the way down. the uk has now vaccinated about 55% of its population. i mean, that's incredible and the reason is they took a

delaying the second dose approach, because the immune protection from that first dose is pretty good at four weeks, a nd so by delaying it 12 weeks, you accept very little risk and you get a lot more people vaccinated when you're rationing a scarce supply that's why the uk is doing so well. neil: how does the rollout look to you? i know this herd immunity you argue for is happening as we speak, but if we're to hear about what's going on in some of these other locales, it's not universal. i'm just wondering if what's going on abroad, know the to be labor the point, doctor, could it come here and what could prompt something like that here? >> well i think you have to be very humble as a scientist and be willing to abandon any projection and i'm looking at this data right now and guess what? there's a lot of cases, particularly, among young people in the new york area and a little bit in the upper midwest of the united states, and that's because there's a lot of pent-up giddy to get out there

and a lot of young people doing whatever they're going to do and i think there's also a fairo of mobility. you look at the google mobility data it's way up and the vaccination and prior natural immunity rates are highly variable. on the other hand you look at los angeles, cases are down 95% and the positive rate is down to 1.6%. neil: doctor, finally you're well aware, i'm sure the former cdc director redfield is saying that he believes this all started with something escaping from that wuhan lab in china, a little more than a year ago. dr. fauci has argued he just doesn't see that as the source of this. where are you on this on how all of this started? >> neil, i think when people who are politically appointed physicians leave office they feel more liberated maybe anybody who leaves political office feels more liberated to speak honestly and dr. redfield i think was saying what many physicians are thinking and that is there's just too many things that just don't add up and unfortunately i don't think we'll know because it'll require cooperation from

the chinese government. neil: doctor, thank you very very much didn't mean to cause an international crisis with you but anything i could do to foster a food fight i'm all for it, doctor, so thank you very very much. all right, dr. marty makary on all of this. you know, the fact is the vaccine push is on, and if some companies can sort of push that along, well they're all in, especially what's going on at krispy kreme right now that instituted a new policy if you can prove you've taken one dose of a vaccine they will give you a free doughnut so it seemed like a perfectly good deal i'd go into one krispy kreme after another and get thousands of donuts with the same proof but anyway what's happening now is the food police are going after krispy kreme saying that this is actually advocating unhealthy behavior that if you eat donuts all the time you can get fat, as if. anyway, i want the read on all of this , from the krispy kreme ceo. mike, very good to have you.

the food police are after you, mike. they don't like what you seem to be advocating, but i think you did also say everything in moderation, right? >> we have, i mean, you think about last year, we did a thing called acts of joy, you and i chatted about this about a year ago, you know, when we opened up to the healthcare industry and they could get any doughnut as many as they wanted anytime. we gave away 30 million donuts last year in the u.s. , so when people make a choice, america gets a hold of the pandemic, and it's a personal choice people make, they look for , if there's a treat they can get and we can serve it, it's great. i've been actually in the shop, so i live in chicago this week, and they showed their cdc card and they are like do you want that doughnut and they're like yes, sir and it just shows the generosity of the brand. we are a sweet treat brand, we get that. neil: yeah, i see where you are

coming from, but people who are very creative can come up with ways to take advantage of your good deed here. do you get a lot of customers who go from krispy kreme to krispy kreme, still showing that proof of a vaccine? i can't be the only one doing that? >> you know, we won't makeup our programs for the folks that try to beat the system if that's what they want to do that's fine. the generosity of the brand is what we really stand for. neil: now, back to the issue that obesity is a far-bigger issue in this country. this was raised in the washington post today, and that you should be aware of that and they're lecturing you on that, because however threatening you look at the virus, obesity kills tens of thousands more and that your product leads to that. you say? >> you know, we're a doughnut. our brand actually serves primarily in dozens where a

sweet treat, and it's shared, people mostly use krispy kreme occasion and they share it with their friends, and the average american visits a krispy kreme about four times a year, so i think we're okay there, in moderation like anything else. people will always want a sweet treat. they will make their own judgment. neil: no, i think you're right about that. i just wanted to get your take on all of that, because you know , no good deed goes un punished, people can push it, but i'm going to warn americans that you really shouldn't go what i've been doing and go from krispy kreme to krispy kreme. >> [laughter] you know, maybe i'll find you. i can tell you that when i dropped off donuts at the vaccination centers this week as well they just love it. they are working hard. neil: absolutely. >> it's just helping them out. neil: well i'm getting worried because a lot of your stores have photos of me saying have you seen this man? >> [laughter]

have you made it to the flagship store in new york yet? neil: no, no, i haven't been there but anyway you can get me there i'm there. so mike, thank you very very much. all right thank you very much on this. stick around, you are watching cavuto live. we'll have more after this. libel customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? just get a quote at libertymutual.com. really? i'll check that out. oh yeah. i think i might get a quote. not again! aah, come on rice. do your thing. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

neil: all right, boulder authorities are still looking into what was behind the shooting in that grocery store that claimed at least 10 lives. alyssa kunia has been piecing new material on where things stand. reporter: hi, neil. 167 individuals from 26 law enforcement agencies have been working this case from more than 3,000 hours combined and so far what they still don't have is the answer to a question that is haunting them. >> like the rest of the community, we too want to know why.

why that king supers, why boulder, why monday? unfortunately, at this time, we still don't have those answers. reporter: now the suspect lives about 20 miles from the king supers where he's accused of shooting 10 people, inside and outside of that grocery store on monday. at a news conference friday, boulder's police chief said the suspect purchased the ruger ar-566 pistol used in the shooting legally at an arva da, colorado sun gore and the district attorney for boulder county says in addition to the 10 counts of first degree murder and one count of attempted murder on a police officer, more charges are coming for 21-year-old amad al awi who made his first court appearance on thursday and not entered a plea yet and his defense attorney was granted a request to delay upcoming proceedings by at least two months telling the judge that attorneys need time to assist the nature and depth of their client's mental illness and they did not provide additional information on that.

take a look at this. a growing memorial on boulder police officer eric tally's vehicle and he was the first to respond to the 911 calls from the king supers and was killed in the line of duty. his funeral is scheduled for tuesday morning, and it will stream online for those who want to observe, and neil, again, officer tally leaves behind a wife and seven kids. neil? neil: thank you very much, in denver, monitoring all of that. you might have heard that there are some common themes and streams of information we're getting, on the alleged assailant here including his behavior and his family's behavior in the weeks and months before. stop me if you've heard these same stories, with other attackers, after this.

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neil: you know, a week later, there is still so much we don't know about the boulder, colorado shooting suspect amad awiwi alisa, but what we do know is he was on local authority's radar for some unusual sightings not only at his home but his family's movement, his extended family's movements and this got us thinking, this is something you almost consistently see , a mass shooter exploits. what they were doing prior, was the kind of attention they were getting prior. let's go to someone whose been watching this very very closely, jack dupin, a retired fbi supervising agent. jack, reports of late night activity on the part of pretty much everyone in that family in the house where he lived and bizarre behavior, with kids out very very late at night, cars

going in and out, temper tantrum s exhibited for neighbors to see and hear, what did you make of some of these anecdotal things we're getting? >> unfortunately, neil it comes down to the same thing overtime. you find unusual behavior, but yet is it criminal behavior and that's the problem with law enforcement continually faces, in these investigations, as one of your reporters just mentioned , they've already poured thousands of hours into this investigation and all the numerous agencies whether it's the fbi, the boulder police , and all the surrounding agencies that are working on this. what they're looking at is not totally unusual, and unfortunately, doesn't rise to the level of any kind of crimes prior to this event, which is very, you know, hard for police and hard for law enforcement to work something where a crime yet has not been committed. neil: right, and that's the thing and i'm not blaming authorities for that, but it does seem to be a pattern here, right? where nothing that they're doing

would prompt their getting arrested or even talked to by police, but in so many cases and we were just digging beneath the surface a little bit, jack, even in the case of the ronald reagan assassination attempt by john hinckley, he was popping up at a number of places ahead of the assassination attempt on reagan, showing up at a jimmy carter event, some months earlier. in the parkland shooting nikolas cruz was being cited by other kids and their families as being a kid to avoid and in the columbine situation, with eric harris there was a concern about creepy, unusual behavior. i could go on and on but i guess you get the gist of it. where and how do we handle reports of activity that frightens people, to the point they want to inform police, but they've got nothing on the guy, just concerns about the guy, and his family. >> absolute correct, neil and

we definitely don't want to discourage anybody from contacting law enforcement. i know when i was at the fbi, we would get thousands of calls a week about people, and as you to use your term "creepy behavior" unfortunately, there's a lot of people out there are creepy behavior, but yet, not enough for law enforcement to do something. we saw a lot of this after 9/11 where we would get calls consistently about suspicious behavior, and we conducted hundreds of thousands of interviews around the country, around the world, with our law enforcement intelligence partner s to try and find out or identify potential problems, and maybe that stops something, maybe it didn't, and we'll never know and sometimes it's just an interview or something like that. simple as that, that can persuade somebody to maybe think twice about doing something but at the end of the day, until something arises to a crime where law enforcement can actually react, it's a challeng ing situation at-best. neil: because there are

indications that the weapon he purchased, he did so legally and so it gets beyond just the weapon, right? >> it absolutely does. there's a lot to be said for i know gun control is obviously one of the biggest contentious issues in our country right now, and there's two sides to that offense. no guns for anybody, but you know, then again, it's some states that have shown where possessing a weapon is legal, people think twice before pulling a weapon. so you can slice that both sides of the fence, when it comes down to gun control, so at the end of the day, is it the gun or is it the person, and unfortunately, that's the world we live in. neil: yeah, i think you're right , my friend. jack, thank you very much, a retired fbi supervising agent here, as we close out this hour i do want to take you back to the border of these live drone shots we are getting from over donna, texas. of course this is where a lot of the key senators republican senators, 19 of them visited

yesterday, a facility holding houses of largely teenagers here who are going to be shipped elsewhere. the read from a senator who was there, and why he's worried about that population exploding, after this. ...

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and they will also here in gunboats and visited a facility in donna which has severe overcrowding. they had a fiery press conference afterwards which they said there should be a return to the policy of the trump administration, that's when migrants had to apply for asylum in mexico. not be allowed to come into the u.s. and a number of senators were sharply critical of the conditions they saw with their own eyes in the donna holding facility. >> the donna facility is a giant tent city built with a capacity of 250 and it has nearly 4,000 people in it. we saw cages after cages after cages of little girls, of little boys, lying side by side, touching each other, covered with reflective emergency blankets. >> biden administration officials deny there's a connect between the biden policies and surge in

especially unaccompanied miners. they say many of the families from central america are facing life and death situations regardless who is in the office. and director of homeland security has fired unpaid advisors. it doesn't matter who you hold responsible for the crisis on the border, one thing that cannot be argued against is the basic numbers, customs and border protection show in the month of february, more than 100,000 attempted illegal crossings of the border. if you compare that to one month ago january, it's up 28%. if you compare it to one year ago, the previous february, that's almost a triple increase in the numbers of people attempting to cross the border illegally. neil, back to you. neil: steve harrigan, thank you very, very much. this is where we are right now. one side calls it a crisis. the other says it's a serious situation or we're watching it, but when it came to his press conference the first of his

presidency after 65 days in office, joe biden went to great lengths to separate himself from what was happening down there. take a look. >> did you move too quickly to roll back some of the executive orders of your predecessor. >> make no apology for that. >> is what's happening inside acceptable to you? and when is this going to be fixed? >> that's a serious question, right? is it acceptable to me. come on. that's why we're going to be moving a thousand of those kids out quickly. neil: no president really likes to see and acknowledge a crisis happening in his administration. john kennedy had to deal with something very similar when it came to the racial riots and the battle to integrate colleges and universities across much of the south. it's a thankless task, but we realize, the right moment and at the right time, blame and accountability isn't the issue as much as responding to the

issue itself. take a look at this. jfk addressing what was a very much ignored problem in this country, but it had gotten so fiery, it couldn't be ignored anymore. take a look. >> this is one country. it has become one country because all of us and all the people who came here had an equal chance to develop their talents. we can't say to 10% of the population, you can't have that right. your children can't have the opportunity to develop what talents they have. the only way to get their rights is to go in the streets and demonstrate. i think we owe them and we owe ourselves a better country than that. therefore, i'm asking for you help in making it easier for us to move ahead and provide the kind of equality of treatment which we would want ourselves. neil: i want you to put yourself back in that time, the early 1960's when this was happening and a lot of advisors were telling kennedy just to acknowledge the problem and say

we had to do something about it would hurt him in the south politically. he was well aware of those risks, but essentially, he deemed it to be the right thing to do. now, there's no way you can compare what's going on now to what was going on then, save the fact that a president then acknowledged the severity of a problem that no one could miss and these images that became famous also galvanized a nation. but it started with jfk making sure they're galvanized. politically you could say it hurt democrats, their lock on the south was beginning to go away as a result of this approach. that was then. what to make of what's going on right now? burt, a best selling author, i'm not meaning to equate the two, but drawing a distinction between responding to a crisis, one acknowledging it, the other at least now, not. what do you think? >> right. i think that the crises do have

some degree of comparability. they're both very severe and it's interesting, too, although it's not clear whether president biden is serious on doing something about it, the border crisis. people thought that about kennedy in 1963 with the civil rights movement, too. and it turns out he was serious. and he was making very good statements about the need to integrate universities and in particular the university of alabama at that time. and the activities in birmingham, nearby birmingham. and so, kennedy was serious. he gave a speech on it. one thing that both kennedy and biden have going for them, if they are-- if biden is serious on this, is that in both cases the republicans, the people in the other party, were completely behind them, or at least largely behind them. kennedy ultimately on the civil rights bill of 1964, which president johnson was able to get passed for kennedy, we had

over-- about 80% of the republicans favored it. much stronger contingent of democrats opposed it and a filibuster by 18 democrats in the senate against it. i guess what i'm saying is kennedy could go into the civil rights crisis and advocate civil rights action with the confidence that the republicans would back him on this. the same is true with president biden. president trump was building parts of the wall. ever since president reagan's administration since amnesty was given and there was a promise that we would fix the border crisis, the democrats really never have come to the table on that to help fix it and they opposed president trump building the wall. the republicans would be in favor of national security and strong borders, if biden is serious about fixing the problem, he will have republican support for doing so. neil: you know, i also wonder, burt, about the power of

images. the president, even martin luther king at the time criticized jfk for being late to respond to these attacks, you know, on blacks and integration efforts that were stymied in the south. it was a tough juggle. he had to slowly build support among what was a largely white population and that was an uphill battle, but those images where blacks were attacked by dogs and shot at and buses blown up, they galvanized a nation and jarred them to sort of help kennedy make his case. now, we are not seeing a lot of these images inside these detention centers and migration minor holding facilities, but i suspect if we did and we saw them more regularly, there would be a collective outrage here and not a blame on anyone in power as much as you've got to fix this. i think kennedy got the sense that, this is a humanitarian

issue that had gotten way out of control and he had images to support his case, and he won a nation over. to your point, we got civil rights and some of these things done sadly after his assassination, but i'm wondering, without those images, without seeing the proof of this, as fox has shown them all, but other networks were showing them as well when we were seeing these same detention centers during president trump, i argue for fairness for all. detention centers and housing issues should be fair game whether it's a republican president and/or congress. what do you make of that portion of this? >> well, i think you're absolutely right. the televised attacks on civil rights marchers in birmingham in 1963 were powerful on television and they created a backlash nationally against the

segregationists. that may have given kennedy, as you suggest, neil, the nudge to ahead and make his national address and put his administration, along with the republicans, on the side of civil rights and thus with johnson's help later, guaranteeing the passage of that civil rights bill. remember though, the democrats -- he's changing the party's direction. the democrats had been strongly against civil rights. they had led the filibusters in the senate opposing civil rights. they'd had anti-lynch-- they opposed anti-lynching bills, the democrats did, and zero democrats in congress voted for the 15th amendment back in 1870 to give blacks the vote. so that he was undoing 90 years of damage that the democratic party had done to black americans and joining in a movement that would create civil rights for blacks and for all americans, and that was

powerful when it was done then with the television attacks on the civil rights marchers. i think you're absolutely on target on this. neil: well, just thought we should explore, burt. you're the expert here. i did find the differences to be startling here. generally, most americans don't care who gets the credit or blame, and that it's fixed. the president of the country, no matter his party, acknowledge the obviously and closer to dealing with the obvious. >> right, president biden-- sure, thank you, neil. neil: i appreciate it, burt. thank you. go ahead, please, my bad. >> okay. i rudely interrupted to the point that he couldn't be interrupted anymore. i apologize. we're putting this up there not to make one president look good and one bad we tried to compare and bring a democrat, a crisis,

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keep them afloat, if you will, and to tighten that relationship, but it occurs at the same time, just days earlier, russia and china started cozying up and called for more cooperation, a host of areas. anyway lt. colonel, the author of this, and they come in waves of concern, i would imagine, for you. what do you think of this? >> well, they really are, neil. last week, of course, we met with the chinese in alaska and got our lunch handed to us to a certain degree and then here we find that the foreign minister was in tehran signing this 25-year agreement and of course, this month they've been importing, the chinese importing iranian oil in spite of our objections. what this is going to do for the eye rain--

iranian regime with imports as well as exports and they've been cooperating with the iranians and russians with the military exercises. what's not said here, we need to pay attention, is he's also going to saudi arabia, turkey, bahrain, oman, uae over the next week going there to do commercial as well strategic bidding of course, this is part of not only what president xi has in mind to become the world'sman, but the belt and road initiative in every country like iran where they make major investments. neil: joe biden apparently welcomes a summit with xi jinping and vladimir putin, how likely do you think that will be? >> i was not encouraged by the president's acumen the other day on his press conference. when you're dealing with

president xi or vladimir putin, they're very sharp, they're very capable. they do their homework. i'm not sure that mr. biden has demonstrated that sort of skill at the international level on all of these very complex issues. he won't be able to use notes this these situations. he'll have to, you know, face them face-to-face. now, i know president biden has in the past met extensively with president xi and in fact, had a couple hour phone call with president xi at the earlier part of his administration. neil: you know, there's a page one story in today's financial times, of all places, colonel, in which there are reports that the u.s. fears that china, quoting here, is flirting with seizing control of taiwan. now, though it might seem outlandish that they feel that there would be no repercussions if they've made such a move. what did you think of that?

>> well, as you know, we've seen just yesterday an entourage of 20 combatant aircraft from the china communist regime pass very close to taiwan. now, this is a fairly frequent occurrence, but when you include four nuclear capable bombers, that's significant. now, meanwhile, we are seeing them just in our face with regard to hong kong, with regard to the islands that are claimed by japan. they are allowing their own coast guard to open fire in situations in the south china sea, which is a change in law. so, they're becoming far more aggressive than we saw during the last several years, and i fear that not only what he's doing in the middle east and what they did to us in alaska, they're going to continue and just up the ante as we come into the next couple of years. neil: i should posit as well,

colonel, the same article goes to the naysayers that they don't think that china would do that, economically, strained though our trade relations may be and they we had each other and the argument is that the chinese don't want to screw that up, that would be the one motivator not to do this sort of thing. what did you think of that? >> well, i understand. the economics are very, very critical. obviously, the foreign minister in the middle east and, you know, they're feeling somewhat of a pinch on the sanctions that we have on them as well, but at the same time, i will tell you, we're trying to cover all bases. just this past week we were talking to the japanese about protecting our surface ships and our aircraft should the chinese invade taiwan. it's not out of the question. the provocations are very real. yes, there are some trade-offs, but president xi has made it very clear to his people and so have the military on the side,

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>> all right. getting back to work. we're learning right now that microsoft is going to be bringing in more workers back as soon as monday. we're separately hearing that facebook is looking at getting its bay area offices reopened to the tune of about 10% capacity. but the tech giants are among a growing number of companies that are looking to get back in the groove even though about 61% of workers are perfectly happy with the hybrid they've gotten used to now. we've got erin gribbs, danielle dimartino, both the dallas fed advisor. erin, if i can begin with you on the move of companies to sort of get back to the office not in droves and certainly not even in a majority position, but to start the process. what do you make of it. >> i think they're responding to a lot of their own data where, yes, three quarters of

people like remote working, but also like the idea of a hybrid model and need to address that a lot of the younger workers who may not have the convenient space and having a full home office, who feel like they're not networking, they're not getting through, and they want to be in the office and because microsoft has so much data from their microsoft team's application, i think they're respond to go that and understanding they need to go back to some kind of hybrid model where you are going to the office. neil: will that be the future? dan, what do you think, a hybrid model people doing some work from home a couple of days and coming into the office the other days? >> i think it's absolutely going to be-- >> dan first. >> this is the next industrial revolution, as far as remote working and it has tremendous advantages for both sides because workers want to be able

to have that flexibility and the biggest point there is, migration because now, workers are going to be able to take their jobs with them. it's not about having to work close to your job. on the other side of the coin, companies are going to be forced to be able to offer remote working, why? because of the talent pool. if they want to be able to compete with other companies, they're going to have to be able to open it up throughout the country and the world in terms of the best talent available. neil: you know, danielle, i apologize for the confusion, danielle. but what do you make of some firms not adhering to this. i think that goldman sachs was among the big investment banks saying, no, no, no, we want people back in the new york office seats as soon as possible. i'm sort of cutting to the chase there, but there are some industries, right, that prefer in-person over virtual even

though we have numbers to prove that productivity stayed the same or actually got better throughout the pandemic for a lot of these companies, but what do you think of that and some companies that will force that point? >> so, i think that the companies that forced face-time, if you will. face-time is worth exactly what it sounds like it's worth which is pretty much nothing. companies that force people to get back into the office will get what they're asking for what isn't a whole lot. a spread sheet in an objective manner in the past one year, how productive each individual worker is because. a lot of situations they've been working with kids who are studying from home virtually and all manner of circumstances, but yet, they're still providing the same value to the corporations. so, i think that companies should be and look forward as microsoft is doing, to saying, this is going to be up to managers and their cohorts and their workers in terms of where they're going to work best and

produce the most in terms of profits for the company, forcing people back into the office is not the right thing. on the other hand, as erin said, there are some younger workers who are looking to build up their careers who want that time in the office, the ability to engage and build teamwork and network and so it's a hybrid model, as microsoft has proposed, is truly i think the best route forward into the next generation. neil: yeah, i should worry about my bosses because they say, if we never see you, neil, it will be too soon. that's just my paranoia. you know, erin, let's say this holds, that we will have hybrid schedules for a lot of folks, whatever that means for them and whatever it means for their working environment, i get all that. it isn't going to be very good for cities. i can't imagine that's a productive development for cities. what do you think? >> i think ultimately the

economies will adapt, but, yeah, i think for certainly the migration to the suburbs that we've seen in the past year, cities will probably, you know, lose residents because if you don't have to spend that, you know, time commuting and you can work from home, you certainly, you're much more able to not have to come to the city and certainly the residency could go down. i think the only, you know, upside might be that within the cities-- or rather outside the city you'll have hubs or smaller offices so you could certainly see it as a decline in office space in cities as well as residents. neil: but, yet rents are going back up in cities, dan. new york is going up from really horrific lows. what is your view of the future, let's say of new york, chicago, or philadelphia in this post-pandemic environment? >> i'm a little less optimistic here, neil. i think that a lot of

businesses in new york, not to mention commercial office space, rely on a volume of people being in the city. now, if they're not there for their jobs because they're heading to the suburbs or they're migrating to different parts of the country, it's absolutely going to have an economic impact on various cities. and let's also not rule out, neil, something that came up last year, a suggestion by deutsche bank that was proposing a 5% tax on workers that is tied to stay home post-pandemic and there's a reason for that because if they're not going into work, they're also not paying some taxes, like gas tax, and tolls and those types of things, so governments are going to look to grab some of that money back. neil: nice of you to play the

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another nonprofit for free tutoring. we have high quality vetted volunteers from all over the world who are able to help anyone listening's kids. neil: all right, let's say, you know, my kids have a structured from their perspective schools or districts and the teachers don't want that interfered with. how do i make time for you? how does that part work? >> yeah, our goal in situations and most kids are going to some type of structured program is to raise the ceiling there, ideally, that a lot of teacher are using khan academy. that's and the main problem before the pandemic, too many kids are promoted ahead and have a gap from fifth grade or sixth grade and algebra doesn't make sense. they can go to khan.org, or schoolhouse.world right now and get the practice and feedback

they need. a lot of people view it as the free tutor that the family could not afford or the free help. if you're in a rural community or your school does not offer a rigorous curriculum, you can have the material you need and working on ways for people to get credit for that. neil: i was noticing khan academy kids, it's a free app for kids two to eight. is it fair to say that a lot of your users, a lot of kids utilizing the service are in that age range, a little older? how would you define them? >> oh, we're the whole spectrum. khan academy kids, everything is not for profit, it's free, and we have two million users every month using average of 90 minutes a month. so there's a strong showing from that group, but you call it big khan academy or regular khan academy goes through elementary, middle, high

school, early character, into character calculus and physics. and we're the official practice for the sat, law school admissions test and even some of the teacher's certification tests use us to help the teachers prep. neil: how and what is the kind of response you're getting from school districts? we always had this impression that the teachers, you know, they've been reluctant to return to classes. i don't think a lot of times we're fair to them. legitimate things about their own safety and kids safety. i'm not here to debate that. but they might look at a service such as yours as a competitive threat. how do you ease their fears? >> you know, when we were getting on folks' radar maybe a decade ago, there was a little of that, okay, is this technology going to be a threat? and the technology help students get explanations at their own pace and practice and

teachers can get the information historically. now that we've been out for 10 years, a lot of teachers were actually beneficiaries of khan academy when they were in grade school and in college and they're eager to share with students. it's always been the gold standard in education to personalize to students, but if you're one teacher with 30 kids, it's really hard to do. if you have help of tools or students are able to get the help at their own time and pace, then that helps the teacher as well. neil: we should note that some of the early testing, not all of it so early, shows results, that the kids are learning. they are advancing in this abyss right now we have with virtual learning, they're learning, too. so sal khan, thank you very, very much, the ceo of khan academy and supported by fill

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>> all right. in alabama and georgia, they're still digging out the massive and deadly tornado, that earlier claimed six lives in pelham, alabama with the latest, charles. >> well, hey, neil. the lengthy cleanup process continues across alabama and including in this neighborhood, this neighborhood in pelham, alabama you can see a lot of damage to attended to, including roofs and homes and holes ripped through the home behind me. now, the storm system that gave life to over two dozen tornados that rode through parts of the south was extremely powerful in ohatchee, alabama where an ef-2 hit an entire block and homes

were tossed around and left in pieces and in georgia, a tornado there shredded homes apart and six people, five in alabama and at least one in georgia, are confirmed dead. this, as people who made it through that tornado outbreak count their blessings. >> very, very lucky. this is the second time it's been through this neighborhood since i've been here and no problem either one. i'm just really, you know, just happened to be in a good spot. i have no idea why. >> and now the chance of severe weather returns today to alabama and that could bring large hail, damaging winds and tornados again, neil. neil: charles watson, thank you very much, charles. in the meantime, tryings to trying to keep you up-to-date on a bizarre shooting in virginia beach. we don't know a heck of a lot more about it.

>> investigators in virginia beach are trying to figure out what happened during what they're calling a night of chaos near the ocean front area, two people are dead and now there are ongoing investigations into what happened. >> what you can see is we have a very chaotic incident, a very chaotic night in the beach. many different crime scenes. >> here is what we know. police responded to a shooting. eight victims have serious to life threatening gunshot wounds, plus one woman died on scene. the homicide unit has not released suspect information or motive, but say that several people are in custody. then police say an officer shot and killed a male suspect related to the first shooting, plus, one virginia beach police officer was injured and taken to the hospital after being struck by a car. they are said to have minor injuries. >> i'm pretty sure it was right around us and i seen people running away, screaming and stuff and cars speeding off. everyone was panicking and

stuff. >> the officer involved in the suspect's shooting has been with the department for five years. they have been put on administrative assignment during the investigation which, neil, is standard procedure. neil: lauren, thank you very much for that. lauren blanchard in washington reporting on that. in the meantime, the update on what those senators, all 19 of them, learned from their tour of the rio grande yesterday. the senator from indiana is back and he's angry and he's here. this is andy, my schwab financial consultant. here's andy listening to my goals and making plans. this is us talking tax-smart investing, managing risk, and all the ways schwab can help me invest. this is andy reminding me how i can keep my investing costs low and that there's no fee to work with him. here's me learning about schwab's satisfaction guarantee. accountability, i like it. so, yeah. andy and i made a good plan. find your own andy at schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.

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>> there's no substitute for being here. this was an unforced error on the part of the biden administration. i'm hoping that there's enough political will on the other side of the aisle to do what they should have done in the

first place and that's not to try to fix something that wasn't broken and go back to what is working. neil: all right. right now nothing seems to be working at the border. you're looking at live drone shots we're getting along the border here in the rio grande and the area that senator mike braun visited, including the facilities for minors meant to hold 250 people and presently houses more than 4,000 largely teenagers. the senator is back home in indiana right now. he joins us out of jasper. senator mike braun, very good to have you. what did you learn yesterday, senator? >> well, it was a whirlwind tour. we got down there a little before midnight, quickly loaded up, went down to the rio grande river where there's a port of entry and there's just a stream of illegal immigrants coming in with signs and errors in

terms-- arrows in terms of how to do it. you can get halfway across the river and you've made it, that's where the boundary is. ow brazen the other side is, the smugglers and coyotes. we get down to the river and of course nothing is going on because they knew we were coming and all of a sudden you hear heckling from the other side and i asked the border patrol, who is that? speaking in spanish. he said those are coyotes and smugglers saying regardless what you do, we're going to keep coming. that's the way the trip started. we went back that evening. you could see a stream of mostly kids and very young adults, some infants, going into two staging areas under an interstate, under a road, port of entry because there are so many people coming in with that welcome sign that biden put out there and shut everything down that trump was doing that was

working before. it's a mess. neil: now, as you know, the president and the white house have pointed to this happening many times in the past that there was a spike in this activity back in 2019 and they blame at the time president biden cutting $450 billion in funding to mexico. do you buy that? do you believe that? >> if you look at the map, ron johnson did it, lindsey graham and we've used it often right here. it shows all the peaks and valleys and the most recent one would have been when trump started talking about staying in place in mexico. of course, there was a surge because what impressed me most are the people on the other there are making 4,000 bucks a head on any central american and mexican. that's per person, not family. up to 20,000 on other nationalities if they can pay more and they've got a

logistics system, neil, that knows how to work the system when you give nem the them the opportunity. it was a 45-year low which president biden failed to mention when you had the wall built and even though you have gaps where he should it down and you have places in mexico where you weren't let in the country and working with the northern triangle countries. biden politically said we're stopping because it was trump and he's got a fiasco that 17 other senators witnessed as well. neil: senator, there are estimates here that the number of kids crossing the border could keep soaring. one study has it as many as 18 to 22,000 the border in april. another 25,000 in may. there's no way we can keep up with that. >> there's not. the total figure february was about 100,000.

it's going to hit about 140,000 in march. and this is along the whole sector of the southern border. texas has got four or five separate sections themselves and quarter million is what the border patrol says they're bracing for. you know what's happening now? you get there, you're so overwhelmed you saw the pictures in the facilities. there was a biden administration lady there telling us not to take pictures. border patrol told us as well, but you could tell that was kind of prefunctory, and they knew we were going to. this is going to get only worse than better. we took a trip up the river and back, spanned about a half hour, 40 minutes. and i said how can people get across at that quickly? they said they're ingenious, a raft system, get halfway across the river nthat span of 30 or 40 minutes we've come back, there was a body floating. so evidently they tried to go through and someone drown in

the process, in that 40 minute stretch right before the news conference, that's the kind of stuff that's happening. neil: incredible. senator mike braun, thank you for that update and we need to hear it and get something or someone on top of it. that will do it. fox continues. always look for the grown in idaho seal. ..

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