so, more days can start with kisses. when you buy this plant at walmart. ♪♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight, you may have seen just an hour or two ago that g"the new york times" essentiay accused congressman matt gaetz sex trafficking, we don't have any background on this story, he says it's a smear in a shakedown and he joins us on th. show in just a minute with his side of the story. first tonight a remarkable twist in a tragedyoi still ongoing whe effects have transformed this country forever. just days before the authorities record the first case of the coronavirus in wuhan, a top

inspector at the world health organization set for an interview broadcast on youtube, that inspector was a man called peter diaz act, he spoke about his research at the wuhan institute of virology which has been going on for more than 15 years. in that interview, he also discussed his nonprofit organization which had received millions from the u.s. government. he channeled the percentage of the money to the lab in wuhan which he described as a world-class lab of the highest standards. some of that work paid for by american taxpayers went to something called gain function research, that involves manipulating viruses in a laboratory to make them more transmissible and more deadly. in his youtube interview, he spoke freely about all of this. at the time he had no reason not to. outside of a handful of diplomats, no one had raised concerns about the kind of research into viruses, very dangerous, it was taking place in wuhan.

according to peter, his research and the grant money that supported it was necessary to create a vaccine to prevent the next global pandemic. watch him explain how easy it is to manipulate a coronavirus. >> coronavirus is pretty good, you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily. spike protein drives what happens in coronavirus is, you can build the protein and it serves as a backbone isno anothr virus to do some work in the lab. >> tucker: you can manipulate them pretty easily in a lab. that was recorded on december 9th 2019. it wasn't long before he stopped giving interviews about his lab experiment. people were starting to ask uncomfortable questions. wasn't there an advanced virology labsl with a history of

sloppy containment protocols very close to where the first outbreak occurred? yes there was but he didn't want to talk about that. he and other bureaucrats the world health organization came up with an alternative explanation for the pandemic. the virus, they explained from the world, had most lately emerged from an exotic mammal that for some reason was being sold at a seafood what market in wuhan, that's what happened. the media bought that explanation. later we discovered it was not true, there was never any evidence that covid infections had originated in a pangolin. he did not apologize, he kept deflecting attention from the lab. in april he told the show democracy now that the idea this virus escaped from a lab is pure baloney, it's simply not true. i have been working with that lab for 15 years, some of the best scientists in the world. he has pushed that line ever since, relentlessly.

last summer he wrote an op-ed in the guardian entitled ignore the conspiracy theories, scientists know covid-19 wasn't created ina a lab and he made the point on twitter repeatedly. "gain of function research has nothing to do with the origin of covid unless you believe the conspiracy theories. why mix the two together if the virus came from bats?" which is what all the evidence suggests.ea almost every media outlet in the country dutifully repeated these claims as if they were fact come as early as january, national public radion reported "a wet market in wuhan, china, is catching blame is a probable source of the coronavirus outbreak sweeping the globe. most quote that was fast. it was just a few days in the pandemic, it wasn't clear that npr had sent anyone to the ground in wuhan but somehow they knew exactly when the virus came from half a world away. "national geographic," famous for its explanations, also determined somehow this issue is

settled. what markets launched the coronavirus, here's what you need to know. thee investigative reporters wee satisfied with no investigation. chan noticed something odd about the coronavirus, its genome had changed much over time even though the virus has undergone trillions of replications, that's strange. normally viruses that jump from animals to humans have to adapt quickly to their human hosts, that's what the lab virus did in 2003, early stage sars virus looks very different from sars viruses later in the pandemic. this coronavirus wasn't behaving that way. it seemed like it was custom-built for human transition. when chan published a paper on her findings, peter attacked her to any reporter who would listen. he called them conspiracy theories, most media

organizations followed suit and the story went away, after all she was just one molecular biologist, what would she know? she was easy enough to ignore. that's exactly what happened to a chinese virologist who we spoke to on this show. the american media dismissed her as a not come as conspiracy i theorist, there's nothing to see here. go away, crazy chinese lady, so she did. may be muchd it more difficult to dismiss this story. of the former director for there centers of disease control and an robert redfield told cnn that based on everything he knows, hn believes the virus likely came from the lab in wuhan. >> i am from the point of view that i still think the most likely pathogen was from a laboratory, escaped. other people don't believe that, that's fine. science will eventually figure

it out.th it's not unusual for respiratory pathogens that are being worked on a laboratory to infect laboratory worker. >> tucker: it's hard to dismiss robert redfield as some kind of cue in on enthusiast or a lunatic, he's not. he's a former army officer who spent his life studyingt, virology. he has often been wrong during this pandemic but it does mean that what he says is worth thassessing carefully. that's supposed to be what journalists do for a living, they look into claims that have some merit, not proven but should be looked into, especially claims that have enormous implications for the country.pp that's not even close to what happened. the scientists over at msnbc and cnn, the same people who silenced lisa chan got to work immediately. >> former cdc director robert redfield told our own son jacob

that he believes it formed in wuhan. >> doesn't seem like a plausible theory unless you advocate the selection of coronavirus' and put them in a lab. >> the theory that the viruses originated in wuhan, china, tonight anthony fauci tells "national geographic" that this virus could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated. > both scientists and the u.. intelligence community agree that this coronavirus was not man-made, that is not a possibility. it came from a a natural source, it didn't come from a lab. a lot of people love that phrase escaped from a lab because itt sounds like something from a marble movie. it sounds a command man-made virus china was weaponize and that got out of control. >> tucker: scientists and the u.s. intelligence committee are unanimous, it did not come from a lab. what is so interesting is of course we don't know.

there is inconclusive evidence in either direction. why are thesese self-appointed v doctors and talking heads instantly making get political and claiming something they can't prove?"n "the new york times" jumped aboard, they published a hit piece entitled x cdc director favors defunct covid-19 origin theory,ll according to "the new york times," intelligence agencies have no evidence the coronavirus escaped from a lab. that's not exactly true, it's not a settled question. last april to the office of thee director of national intelligence released a statement noting the intelligence community hasn't ruled out a leak from a lab in wuhan. intel officials said that they would continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine b whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at the laboratory in wuhan. as recently as last month, the director of national intelligence stood by that statement. so why are so many trying to

dismiss these claims out of hand as if they know? fwhy are they trying to make the former director of the cdc be quiet. part of the answer of course, to protect china. the world health organization was funded by china, this week the w.h.o. released what it called a report on the origins of the coronavirus. there was only one researcher based in the united states who participatedn in w.h.o.'s investigation into the origin of the virus. guess who that person was? now if you and see if you can guess what his colleagues discovered in that investigation. in the w.h.o.'s report, only two pages address the possibility it may have come from the lab. although rare, laboratory accidents do happen in different laboratories around the world, working with the coronavirus. report says the cdc laboratoryec moved on the 2nd of december 2019 to a new location near the wet market,e

such moves can be disrupted for the operation of any laboratory. get the wrong idea says the w.h.o., it is still extremely unlikely the virus emerged from the lab. why is it so unlikely? here is the explanation. there is no record of virus is closely related to the coronavirus and any laboratory before december 2019 or genomes that in combination could provide a sars covid to genome. we didn't find a paper trail because china didn't leave one. but the world health organization would like to know if anyone can keep deadly viruses from escaping into the rest off the world it's the wuhn institute of virology. the three laboratories working with coronavirus diagnostics or coronavirus isolation all have high quality facilities that were well. managed. "and case closed.

this contradicted by first-hand testimony of american diplomats that went into the lap and said wow, this looks dangerous.or according to w.h.o., china and the world health organization did nothing wrong so stop asking questions. it's interesting people won't stop, some people are continuing to ask. a former national security official told cbsep news that te w.h.o. report has all the credibility of a north korean evening news broadcast. jamie mitzel served in the clinton administration and the w.h.o. advisory, it can't be described as a right winger. the report was too much and he said so. >> i wouldn't call what has happened now an investigation. it's essentially a highly chaperoned highly curated studyo tour. everybody around the world is imagining this is some kind of full investigation.. it'ser not. this group of experts only saw what the chinese government wanted them to see. it was agreed at first that

china would have veto power over who even got to be on the mission during >> and w.h.o. agree to that. >> w.h.o. agreed to that, imagine if we had asked the soviet union to do a coinvestigation of chernobyl, it doesn't make sense. >> tucker: where so many people in positions of authority including the scientific community so adamant that there is nothing to see here. here is one suggestion, last year microbiologist with rutgers setne for an interview with bosn magazine, he explained why the scientific community might want to hide the origin of a pandemic like this. nfor substantial virologist, avoiding restrictions on research funding, avoiding a limitation on appropriateta biosafety standards and avoiding implementation of appropriate research oversight are powerful motivators. in other words, if something

went wrong in wuhan, it might affect them. another scientist and tonio were dulled over from mit was more direct about it. if it is determined the virus came from a lab, it would shatter the scientific edifice from top to bottom. the scientific edifice is one thing everyone in washington would like to see preserved, it's what gave politicians the power to change elections and make thousands of small businesses, to make certain industries much richer and more powerful and destroy others. tomorrow, and by the administration is not going to announce a new investigation into the origins of the coronavirus, they are happy with the w.h.o. report. instead they will announce one of the largest tax hikes in the history of the country. its projected total between threeio and $4 trillion, we dont know the total amount yet. a lot of that cost will fall in peoplela who are not rich, middle-class. at one point the biden people even tried working a gap tax to make sure hourly workers were

hurt the most. china whose recklessness and dishonesty knocked america from global preeminence and destroyed millions of lives does not pay e cent, china is getting richer, we are gettingre poorer, expect that trend to continue. here's the interesting thing: no one is even suggesting reparations from china foror covid. no one utters that word. reparations are for america to pay only. bill gertz is the national security correspondent for "the washington times," we are happy to have him on. thanks so much for coming on. do you believe nonpartisan national security officials believe about the origin of the coronavirus? >> it's clear that it was not something that happeneds naturally. i reade the reports today, it said there is no evidence that it came from an animal, they haven't been able to find it in bats, they haven't been able to find it in pangolin's and yet

they insist they did not leak from a lab. it's obvious they have been conducting massive amounts of virus research. they announced last year they had found 2,000 new viruses, they are obsessed with studying viruses. it's clear there is more evidence it came from a lab that somehow jumped from an animal, a bat, and a human. the wuhan institute of virology denied that it was engaged in secret work with the pla, the people's liberation army. china has a massive biological weapons program that is being carried out in these laboratories in china and nothing is being done to force them to expose the activities there including such things as ethnic weapons, that is biological weapons that can

target ethnic groups. >> tucker: it was clear that health that health officials in the united states knew perfectly well that american tax dollars are being used to manipulate viruses in the wuhan virology, looking back it was deeply unwise and probably a crime. why have those officials not been called out to explain why they allowed this to continue? >> part of the reason is the national security community and the intelligence community in the united states in particular lacked the scientific expertise to go after the origin of this virus. they have been relying on the scientific community which in my view has been completely co-opted as you said by their ability to do unregulated work inside of china. i think it's starting -- other scientists liker. dr. redfield, like others in france, they are coming out and saying the emperor has nono clothes.

it's a chinese strategic deception operation and we've got to get to the bottom of this or we will be fighting pandemics for the next 50 years. >> tucker: of course, maybe the headline is around the world, not just chinese but american scientists are conducting research that is so reckless that it's immoral and no one rains them in. we should learn more about that, i appreciate you coming on tonight. so homelessness is surging in virtually every major american city in this country, if you live in one, you know. what is the biden administration doing about it? nothing. but i do have a plan to help thousands of migrants screaming into the country, fox's trace gallagher has that story for us tonight. > it turns out taking care of kids illegally from other countries is more profitable than taking care of american foster t kids. they are trained to handle children with behavioral problems over the past seven years they have housed and cared for 20 foster children in the seattle area but now they have

been told to m vacate their home to make room for unaccompanied minors. the serena sanchez family was renting a home from a group called friends of youth, and investigation says the organization saw a new funding sourcef with the federal government's office of refugee settlement and decided to use the house for undocumented immigrant children. the investigation goes on to say the family is "astonished at the friends of youth would remove washington children who are making strides in a stable foster home and replace them with children from the border." the same thing is happening in california, new jersey, and other states where health and human services is using state agencies to help find housing for migrant children. those state agencies are making it crystal clear that all the rent payments are coming from the federal government. finally, after more than a year, public school teachers in san diego are going back to in person classes.

not with san diego students but with unaccompanied minors being housed in the san diego convention center as one san diego parent said "who was rescuing san diego students? >> tucker: nicely put, trace gallagher for us. one states just past major legislation to try to reduce the incidence of voter fraud, a lot of people to don't seem to like that, they're all on one side. brit hume adjoins us to explain what exactly is and that laws clearly as he always does. also this hour, there are apparently sex traffickingng allegations against a member of congress, tonight that congressman matt gaetz of florida joins us live to give his side of the story, we'll be right back.

♪ ♪ >> tucker: there's often voter fraud in big elections and when the outcome of the election really matters is apt to be more voter fraud and there was voter fraud in the last election and it shows how true it is. in the state of georgia officials are finally doinghe something about it, no one

believes in elections anymore and democracy dies, the state of georgia enacted legislation that requires identification in order to cast a mail in ballots, you have to prove who you are and it also limits the number of valid drop boxes that can be used. that seems sensible. according to the president, this is dangerous. in fact it will lead to mass dehydration at theat polls. >> george election law? >> it's and atrocity. it has nothing to do with fairness, nothing to do with decency. they passed a law saying you can't provide water for people standing in line while they are waiting to vote? you don't need anything else to know this is nothing but punitive, designed to keep people fromeo voting. you can't provide water for people about to vote, give me a break. >> tucker: "you can't even provide water for people who want to vote" that claim was

everywhere on television, i mean everywhere over the weekend. what that tells us is that nobody actually read the bill. the legislation bans only political organizations from disturbing food and water, that'sso it. why is everyone including people who should know better lying about what the law says? brit hume has read the law, speaks and thinks clearly enjoins us from our set tonight. great to see you. what does this laws say, it's designed to dehydrate and kill people, what else does it say? >> other than the manslaughter of people starving and thirsting to deathin outside of polling places, infected from its pollng workers and others to distribute water if they so choose, people can bring the water but what they can't do is walk up on the street and say have a little water and by the way, the water bottle says vote for joe, right? they're worried about electioneering.

>> tucker: and every place i've ever lived, you're not allowed to approach people in line if you are. >> you can't police the street outside to identify partisans, it's completely exaggerated claimm at best. it is a diva biggest whopper for the president has publicly told about this law, he said it cuts back on voting hours, it most certainly does not, they are hexactly the same voting hours they had of the most recent georgia election which nobody complained about aunt during which byd the way they had recod turnout. what i t think people are really objecting toto hear, it's a two fold story. they don't like this idea of .dvoter i.d., they really do no. voter i.d. is a very sensible way to protect against people who are not to they say they are voting and it's particularly important in an age where you're going to have mail in balloting on a scale we are now having it because that's obviously subject to fraud for obvious reasons that there would be some way to identify people, require you

have some government i.d. to establish who you are, i think that is reasonable. the democrats hate this and long have. >> tucker: you need an i.d. to get a vaccine, why did they object to using i.d. to vote? >> because they want anybody who they can get to go try to cast a ballot to be able to do so. there is incentive to have fraud. beyond that i think is this, they have this bill which would federalize the rules for elections and that is a big item -- it's called hr one has now been passed, this would establish a uniform set of regulations across the country that would cancel a lot of state regulations that are now in existence thereby taking away the traditional role the states have had in setting the terms of elections. they want toet do that in my view because it would help them politically to have this done. omcasting aspersions on the

georgia law becomes a rationale for federalize in the rules nationwide which then opens the door to the open-ended goings-on that these state laws are designed to guard against including the georgia law which is a perfectly reasonable law. in nearly all respects. these drop off boxes for votes, they didn't really exist until they werean used in the pandemic and what has happened is we have all these loose practices that were used because of the pandemic but the democrats want to codify everywhere. the georgia law allows some of that but a lot of it it doesn't, that's where we are. it's remarkable. >> tucker: amazing and not surprising. great to see youu tonight. by the way our show called tucker carlson today is in progress, the first episode available now on fox nation, you can watch it on fox nation -- just go to the website, you can sign up.e next on this show, congressman

matt gaetz just before we went to air, "the new york times" reported that he has been accused of sex trafficking. we wanted to hear his story and we will after the break.

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>> tucker: a couple of hours ago late this afternoon, "the new york times" ran a story saying florida congressman matt gaetz is under federal investigation for playing some role in sex trafficking. potentially having a relationship with a 17-year-old girl. there are very few details and major outlets tonight about this, we have no background on it and not very many informed question. we invited congressman matt gaetz on the show. this is a serious allegation, tell us what the truth is from your perspective. >> it is a horrible allegation and it is alive.

"the new york times" is running a story that i have traveled with a 17-year-old woman and that is verifiably false, people can look at my travel records and see that is not the case. what is happening is anen extortion of me and my family involving former justice department official.di on march 15th my father got a text message demanding a meeting where in a person demanded $25 million in exchange for making horrible sex trafficking allegations against me go away. our family was so troubled by that we want to the local fbi and the fbi and the department of justice were so concerned about this attempted extortion of a member of congress they asked w my dad to wear a wire which he did with the former department of justice official. tonight, i am demanding that the department of justice and the m fbi released the audio recordings that were made under their supervision and at their direction which will prove my innocence and will show these

allegations aren't true, they are merely intended to try to bleed my family out of money. and this former justice department official tomorrow was supposed to be contacted by my father so that the specific instructions could be given regarding the wiring of $4.5 million as a down payment on this bribe, i don't think it's a coincidence that tonight, somehoww "the new york times" is leaking this information, smearing me and ruining the investigation that would likely result in one of the former colleagues of the current doj being brought to justice for trying to extort me and myt family. >> tucker:om a couple of obvious questions come to mind, to restate -- this just happened we don't have any other information beyond what we've said. first of all, who is this former employee who is trying to extort the money fromy. you? >> his name is david mcgee, he is a top official in the leadership in the northern district of florida as a

prosecutor, he currently works at the becks and lane law firm, one of the recordings that was made at the fbi and the department of justice's request occurred at that law firm and the money that was supposed to bewn paid today that would have shown even more evidence of his work in this extortion scheme, that was spoiled by "the new york times" and i believe that is why this horribleav information and these terrible allegations had been used this evening. >> tucker: i'll get to the investigation and just the second, you're saying that david mcgee was motivated by greed, he was trying to extort money from your m family, that is his motivation you're saying. >> i know there was a demand for money in exchange for a commitment that he could make this investigation go away along with hisla coconspirators. they even claimed to have specific connections inside the fight in white house. now i don't know if that's true, they were promising that joe biden would pardon me,

obviously i don't need a pardon, i'm not seeking a pardon, i haven't done anything improper or wrong. what i am troubled by is the real motivation for all of this. it just tonight, ted lieu a democrat is calling on me to be removed from the house judiciary committee and i believe we are in an era of our politics where people are smeared to try to take them out of the conversation. i'm not the only person on screen right now who has been falsely accused of a terrible act. you were accused of something that you did not do and so you know what this feels like. you know the pain it can bring to your family and it just puts people on defense when you're accused of something as salacious and awful but it did not happen. it did not true and the fact that it is the basis of an attempt to extort my family tells a lot. if the fbi and department of justice will release the tapes they are in possession of, the american people will see what is really going on. >> tucker: you just referred to a mentally ill viewer who accused me of a sex crime 20

years ago, of course i never met the person. but i do agree with you being accused falsely as one of the worst things that can happen and youy do see it a lot, let's go back to the investigation. you say that it was or is underway, what is the basis of that investigation? what is thee allegation, it's really not very clear from these new sources. >> again, i only know what i've read in "the new york times." i can say that actually you and i went to dinner about two years ago, your wife was there and i brought a friend of mine you will rememberas her and she was actually threatened by the fbi, told that if she wouldn't cop to the factve that somehow i was involved in some pay for play scheme that she could face trouble. i do believe there are people at the department of justice that are trying to smear me providing for flights and hotel rooms for people that you are dating who are of legal age is not a crime.

i'm just troubled that the lack of any sort of legitimate investigation into me would then convert into this extortion attempt. speak what i don't remember the woman you're speaking about the context at all, honestly. so you're saying there is a 17-year-old girl that you had a relationship with him is that true? whoal is this girl? what are they talking about? >> the person doesn't exist, i do not have a relationship with a 17-year-old, the allegation as i traveled with some 17-year-old in a relationship, that is false and records will bear that out to be false. >> tucker: how long has this investigation been going on? >> i don't know. >> tucker: when were you first informed of its? >> again, i saw this as a deeply troubling challenge for my family on march 16th when people

were talking about a a minor, ad there are pictures of me with child, that's false because there will be no such pictures because no such thing happened. march 16th is when it got going for the extortion standpoint. >> tucker: what happens next? you can see there is this investigation, criminal investigation, i'm not quite sure why the sex trafficking s part comes in, for the fifth time i don't understand this story very well but where does it go from here? you've made anan allegation against someone by name and accused him of trying to extort millions of dollars for your hafamily, what happens tomorrow? >> what was supposed to happen, the transfer of this money that would have implicated the former colleague of these former doj officials but that's obviously not going to happen tomorrow because "the new york times" story was leaked in order to quell that investigative efforts. here's what needs to happenhe

next. the fbi and the department of justice must release the tapes that are in their possession, that were done at their direction. those tapes will show that i am innocent and the whole concept of charges against me was really just a way to try to bleed my family out of money and probably smear my name because i am a well-known outspoken conservative and i guess that's out of style in a lot of parts in the country right now. >> tucker: matt gaetz i appreciate you coming on tonight. >> thanks for giving me the chance to tell the truth. >> tucker: this is a more interesting and complicated story that i knew from reading about it, thank you very much. so we'd have just been informed that we may have something called a vaccine passport. if you can get one you can live your life normally, if you can't, you can't. should we be worried about its? glenn greenwald joins us next.

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>> tucker: if you just saw our m matt gaetz interview, that was one of the weirdest interviews i've ever conducted, that story just appeared in the news a couple hours ago. and on the certainty that there

is always more than you read in the newspaper, we immediately called matt gaetz and asked him to come on and tell us more. which as you saw he did. i don't think thatt clarifiedng much but it certainly showed this is a deeply interesting story and we will be followingn' it. i don't quite understand it but we will bring you more when we find out. countries like japan and china and denmark have already introduced vaccine passports and the point of the passports is to encourage people take the coronavirus vaccine. if you want to scare the hell out of people out of vaccines he would do something like this, if you want them to take it he would brag about how great the vaccine is and you would show it is. yesterday the white house announced its own plans for vaccine passports, private businesses will handle it if they want to reopen. >> a determination or development or whatever you want to call it will be driven by the

private sector.en >> tucker: glenn greenwald is an independent journalist, his sub stack many of you already know, thank you so much for coming on. i know you are in favor of vaccines i think of myself as pretty pro-vaccine myself but this seems almost designed to scare people on the subject of vaccines and make them feel coerced. what do you make this? >> i think you have to start with noting how draconian of an invasion this is in three different ways. coercing citizens to put a substance into their body that they don't want in their body, pretty grave invasion of bodily autonomy, one of the most fundamental rights we have. secondly, gathering a new database that can track people in terms of their health, that can easily be expanded as government programs often do and a whole variety of other uses and thirdly you're restricting

people's freedom of movement, it's one of the most fundamental rights we have comeua it's guaranteed in thee constitution. i'm not saying there is never a scenario where you can imagine that may be vaccine passports wouldn't be justified if it were really a health catastrophe but why are we even talking about it right now when the problem isn't insufficient people wanting the vaccine to the problem is there's not enough of vaccines for people who do want to them and at some point soon we are going to reach herd immunity because enough people polls show want the vaccine such that the people who are unvaccinated don't pose a threat to society or anybody else. why is it necessary to stigmatize them and create a caste system? the american culture is such that when theen government telle you to do something, there's a tendency not to want to do it. it seems to be driven by things other than science and health concerns. >> tucker: are you comfortable ofof the idea of massive multinational monopolies havingn

your health information and passing between one another? >> i've spent the last ten years of my work as a journalist as you knowow reporting on the gret dangers of what happens when the state collects information, they always promise it's going to be temporary and it's going to be for a specific problem when they enacted the patriot act in 2001, they said don't worry it's going to be three or four years and what we have the problem of terrorism solved here we are 20 years later, it grew well beyond its original intention, that's one of the things that always happens and i think there is a huge cultural strain here that liberals have this punitive strain in their politics, they like the idea being able to stigmatize people who don't agree with them on vaccines by creating a second-class citizenry for them. i think that it's a big part of the motive. >> tucker: you remind me once again that i idiotically support at the patriot act, i want to apologize again to the country for doing that.

really quickly, do you think there's any way out of this can be paid to see a scenario where people are vaccine resistors but maybe we are moving toward that. >> what we have always heard is herd immunity is the promised land and if we can demonstrate as i think is artie being demonstrated that enough people want to take it, it will kick the legs out of the rationale for doing this. >> tucker: i certainly hope we getwa there. glenn greenwald thank you so much. quite a night so far, we'll be back in just a moment.

♪ ♪ >> tucker: tomorrow night, matt gaetz for the hour! but we are dropping our secondn episode, 4:00 eastern. coming out. first episode already online.

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