i'm rachel campos-duffy and tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." happy good friday. you can say that. today was no different. a radical black nationalist drove a car into two police officers near the capitol in washington this afternoon. one of the officers was killed along with a suspect. now, it's interesting there is still much we don't know about this. we know very little. but this is one high profile murder that didn't somehow set off an avalanche of hysterical media attacks on an entire racial group you didn't hear a story about how all black people are bad and blackness is a

virus. thank god. that stuff is garbage. it's poison all decent people hate it. attacking entire races is evil no matter what the race is. it's really hurting the country and the people in power should stop doing it. today for once they didn't do it. thank god for small blessings. that doesn't mean our leaders turned down the opportunity to leverage the tragedy. of course they did. ilhan omar immediately called for gun control even though the assay lant apparently didn't have a gun but just a knife. she is not a genius as we noted before. then the usual experts told us the lesson was we need each more barbed wire around the capitol it's too open to the public, they said to keep our democracy safe we must wall off voters from the leader who supposedly represent them. that's already happening, of course across the country both physically in the green zone style barriers you suddenly see everywhere around government buildings and also a far deeper level on a level that can't be undone as quickly as a fence. in a democracy, the people rule.

if voters want something done, over time it happens. that's what self-government is. but what do you call a system in which all the major, all the really important decisions are made by big companies without any reference at all to what voters want? well, that is not democracy. it's corporate to come crazy and it's starting to look a lot like what we have now. here is the latest example. major league baseball announced today it's pulling two of the biggest events in sports, the all-star game and the mlb draft out of the state of georgia. why is major league baseball weighing in on this and why is it doing it? well, because voter in the state of georgia made a decision that the biden administration doesn't like. and as with so many big corporations, major league baseball believes it now has veto power over the democratic process. and by the way it may have veto power. we will find out. in the case of georgia, the state passed a law to reduce voter fraud. that law requires voters to provide some form of identification before they cast a mail-in ballot.

that identification be a driver's license or free state provided i.d. georgia makes it pretty easy to prove who you are. there is nothing crazy about this law. in fact, it's hard to believe it wasn't already on the books in georgia. it should have been. but when it was proposed, it sailed through the state house. georgia's house of representatives approved this vote by a 25 vote margin. the state senate of vote of 45 to 24. like say obamacare it wasn't a squeaker. can you see why. nationally the overwhelming majority of americans agree with it. they support mandatory photo i.d. for voting. according to recent poll by the a.p., 72% of people in this country believe that required ids are a good idea. and why wouldn't they think that? you already have to show an i.d. when you fly on a plane or drive a car, open a checking account, hold a job, live in an apartment or get a vaccine but you don't need one to vote? come on, it's ridiculous. in fact, it's worse than

ridiculous, it is sinister. anyone who opposes voter i.d. laws is encouraging voter fraud which is to say encouraging the destruction of democracy. it's that simple. and you can now put major league baseball in that category. and baseball was supposed to be america's past time. happy, unifying, fundamentally nonpolitical. so it's strange to see this happen. how did we get here? it's not at all complicated. we have a new president now and that president is willing to destroy even something as wholesome as the country's traditional game purely to increase the power of his political party. just the other day joe biden went on espn to demand that professional sports franchises boycott any state whose voters step out of line. >> i think today's professional athletes are acting incredibly responsibly. i would strongly support them doing that people look to them. they are leaders. look at what's happened with the nba as well.

look what's happened across the board. the very people who are victimized the most are the people who are the leaders in these -- in these various sports. and it's just not right. this is jim crow on steroids what they are doing in georgia and 40 other state. >> tucker: so that's the considered judgment, expressed out loud by the president of the united states. georgia's voter i.d. law is jim crow on steroids. asking people to show their identity before they vote is worse than segregation and lynching. it's bull conner and fire hoses and snarling german shepherds on steroids. have you got to wonder how long our leaders can keep staying reckless things like this before they really cause the society to fall apart? joe biden seems determined to find out. one thing biden doesn't seem very interested in is his own home state, delaware. unlike georgia, delaware has never permitted mass early voting.

apparently delaware is a white supremacist state. about 80% of georgia voters cast their ballots early last fall. in delaware that number was 29%. so why isn't that voter suppression? why isn't it racism? well, because delaware is a one-party state controlled by the democrats. it's working for them. they are not going to change it. georgia, by contrast is, a swing state so, in the stems of joe biden it is worth using racially divisive lies to win it for his party permanently. according to joe biden the real problem with georgia's new election law is that it could cause dangerous dehydration. >> what i'm worried about is how unamerican this whole initiative is. it's sick. it's sick. deciding in some states that you cannot make water to people standing in line? waiting to vote? deciding that you are going to end voting at 5:00 when working people are just getting off

work? >> tucker: every word of that was false. maybe "the washington post" will start a joe biden lie meter just kidding. in fact, the georgia law bans political organizations from bringing gifts to people who are standing in line to vote. that's called electioneering banned in a lot of places where you live. there is no prediction against n. georgia or anyone else people getting water and food in line if it comes from someone other than a political operative. if it comes for from a friend or family member by the way. by the way, they can also bring their own water. hydrating is still fleel georgia. as for the claim that this law will end voting at 5:00, that's a lie, too. wait a second. joe biden just said that on tv so where does he get the idea that voting ends at 5:00. it turns out the big paper in atlanta "the atlanta journal constitution" reported that the law would ban voting after 5:00. the paper's reporters apparently hadn't read the law. they had to append this correction to their piece which effectively was the same as

admitting they were repeating talking point without doing any research which is what they were doing. here it is, quote: a previous version of this story said the new law would limit voting hours on election day in georgia polling places are open from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. and if you are in line by 7:00 p.m. you are allowed to cast your ballot. nothing in the new law changes those rules, end quote. that's the truth. finally appended to a lie. now, joe biden got his research on that bill from reporters who did no research. see how that works? today at the white house press briefing one reporter did ask an interesting question why is joe biden on television demands a boycott of an american state while not demandings a boycott of china? after all, the biden administration just declared that china was committing genocide against et nick ethnic minorities joe biden flack wasn't happy about that opinion. >> the president expressed his

support about the mlb all-star game in georgia. i'm wondering when kiwi expect a final determines about the united states participating in the pay jing olympics given that he said the chinese president doesn't have a democratic bone in his body? >> well, i think the u.s. olympic committee would play a big role. >> he weighed in on major league baseball here in the united states. he actually didn't -- i don't know if you heard the answer -- the question the answer that happened a few minutes ago where we dressed this and i answered the question. so and i give a little more context maybe maybe you blnt paying attention to that part. >> tucker: i'm not going to answer the question i'm going to pretend that i already did and you didn't hear it because you are dumb it's your fault. we looked. there is no answer no. one at the white house explained why a law against voter fraud in georgia justify as boycott but a genocide in china does not. it doesn't matter. the domestic boycott against georgia grows any way. huge parts of corporate america have joined it. they decided that georgia is

reinstating jim crow. here is a great one. coca cola, which is based in atlanta, now tells us that georgia's anti-voter fraud law is unacceptable. >> let me be crystal clear and unequivocal. this legislation is unacceptable. it is a step backwards and it does not promote principles we have stood for in georgia around broad access to voting, around voter convenience. about ensuring election integrity. this is just a step backwards. >> tucker: not clear how long the ceo of coca cola has been in this country just to restate just because you run a soft drink company doesn't mean you get to control our democracy. you may not know that it's a step backward he told us which is pretty funny. coca cola is very, very concerned about black people which makes you wonder since we are on the subject how many black people have died in the last 100 years from diabetes caused by coca cola products? we don't have those numbers.

someone ought to find out. we bet money it's far more than the minneapolis police department has killed ever. and here's the even funnier part china is one of coca cola's biggest markets and that's why last year kurt ferguson, the president of coca cola greater china and korea went out of his way to praise the communist party of unleashing the coronavirus on the world this is a quote thank you very much for the government with quick decisive action once again, thank you, have you really controlled a worldwide epidemic and should be very much congratulated for all your hard work. may i kiss your feet? may i slobber on you? have a coke and a smile. unbelievable. but coca cola want you to believe that whatever is happening in china, it really cares most about its type 2 diabetes victims here in the united states. coca cola hates discrimination. okay. so why isn't coca cola saying anything about phil scott? he is the governor of vermont. is he a republican by the way. this week governor scott declared that vermont would be passing out vaccines on the

basis of skin color. vermont want to check your racial purity before they give you life-saving medicine. that doesn't seem like a good idea or legal or think or something that would ever happen in america? is coca cola okay with that? apparently they are. you can still get a diet cook in burlington, great restaurant, by the way. coke hasn't said a word about it. neither has delta which despite being an airline and not a super pac has also decided to condemn georgia's elections bill. according to the ceo of delta people in the black community are upset about the law so, of course, delta is very upset, too. >> this is about protecting the voices of our people. when i speak to our people, particularly within the plaque community, we are here in atlanta. we have got a very, very large black employee base, almost universally they are hurt by the law and the legislation that was enacted and we need to make certain their voices are heard. we spent a lot of time in the last year reaching out to those

most vulnerable and telling them that we hear them, that we see them, that their voices matter. and if we can't stand with them now, when will we? >> tucker: yeah. so he is just reading something the h.r. department wrote for him. it doesn't seem like he has paused to think the implications here. delta airlines operates because u.s. taxpayers and the congress, lawmakers, democracy allowed kel that to. you can't just start an airline and run it. you need the cooperation of the public. part of the deal is if you are delta airlines or some other big company benefiting from all the good things that america offers is you are not allowed to override the democracy just because you are rich. you are not allowed to do that. and, if you do maybe we should punish you. maybe we should. delta says it's, quote, very large black employee base is almost universally hurt by the law. really, did you take a poll, delta? remarkably and this is amazing, that's not what delta was saying about the very same law a few days ago before the biden administration leaned on them. at the time, delta issued a statement declaring, quote: the

legislation improved considerably during the lenels legislative process and expands weekend voting, codified sunday voting and protect the voter's ability to cast a absentee ballot without offering a reason. delta even at the time praised the law's protections for ballot drop boxes, quote: for the first time drop boxes have also been authorized for all county statewide and poll workers will be allowed to work across county lines. before we get into how they changed their view, again, this is an airline. why are they weighing in on a voting law. who do you think you are delta airlines? we should shut you down. now delta has decided the law doesn't meet its standards, requiring voter identification, says delta is jim crow. but, wait a minute, you might be wondering, doesn't delta airlines require photo i.d. in order to board its planes? oh, that sounds like jim crow. why isn't that racist? because it's not. shut up. one of the democratic party's top election law enforcers a trollish man marc elias tried answer that question on twitter

quote the new georgia law will require voters to submit i.d. to vote by mail, he wrote. if they use their driver's license, they need to provide the number. one of the two numbers below is correct. if they put the other down, it will be rejected. are you sure you would pick the right one? elias posted a forecast a sample driver's license below his tweet the implication is pretty clear. according to mark elias black people can't find driver's license number even when it's clearly identified on the driver's license campleted mark elias like delta doesn't think they can read it. so who is the racist in this story? seriously? when you treat adults like children, what does that say about how you feel with them? cnn is here to calm you right down, banish those thoughts from your mind. cnn would like to assure you the racist is not the one who believes black people can't navigate a driver's license, no, no, no. the racist is the one who is tryreduce voter fraud. cnn just told us and this is a real tape are essentially

recruiting for the kkk. >> are >> jim crow is making a comeback. the fictional black-faced character from minstrel shows who came to symbolize second class citizenship for millions of americans. ♪ every time i read about a jim crow. >> jim crow is also the name use dodd describe unequal racial segregation rules that banned black people from eating in white owned restaurants, staying in white owned hotels, and fully participating in the election process. now, as hundreds of new proposals to scale back voter participation in elections make their way through state legislatures, the parallels with the past are inescapable. >> tucker: so cnn literally went to its archives to find footage of minstrel shows. why do they each have that tape at cnn we should find out. just in case the point wasn't clear enough they put it on the screen. has propaganda ever, ever been this heavy handed? have you ever seen the official

north korean news site? it has a lighter touch than that next will be announcing republicans in georgia in cool acts and runny dog got to be coming at this pace. one of the people they will call names for sure if they haven't already is the governor of the georgia brian kemp. he is the one who signed the new election law. he joins us tonight. governor, thanks so much for coming on. super simple question to start. should corporations have veto power over the democratic process? >> yeah, tucker. this is unbelievable. i mean, really unfortunate today, obviously, that major league baseball has folded up and cade to the cancel culture and a bunch of liberal lies, quite honestly and what's even more sad is the president of the united states, joe biden and people like stacey abrams labeling the election integrity at this act jim crow. this is what happens. you know, now you have a lot of small business owners, a lot of great baseball fans, including

myself, getting deprived of having the all-star game in atlanta because of the cancel culture. i think it's a message to all of us, all across this country that are home tonight, they are coming after you next. you know, they're going to come after your ballgame. they are going to boycott your business. if you don't agree with their way of life, they are going to come after you on that, too. >> tucker: i mean, it's shocking, i agree with you completely. but why delta airlines and coca cola getting involved in the details of a voter fraud bill? and why doesn't someone say make your little diabetes causing soft drinks, fly your little airplanes why tonight you stay out of democracy? why do they think they have the right to dictate what a bill in the georgia legislature that has nothing to do with their businesses contain? >> well, look, it's so hypocritical, too. it's like major league baseball headquartered in new york, delta is flying in new york. i'm sure coca cola sell as lot of product in new york. when you look at new york's voting laws, you have to have an excuse to vote absentee by mail

in new york. you could not in georgia. if you want to vote absentee here, you can do it. we have 17 days of in person early voting before the election for people to participate. we now have two more optional days if counties opt in to that on sundays. it was in this bill that's actually expanding access for voting opportunities early. new york has 10. so we have either 7 or 9 days more than new york where major league baseball is headquartered. i guess we should be boycotting, you know, them for having their headquarters in new york because that law is more stricter than ours. i mean, this is all ridiculous. this bill simply changes the signature requirement for absentee ballots and using voter i.d. we have been using voter i.d., tucker, in georgia since the mid 2,000s. 97 people -- 97% of the people voted in person before the pandemic. so they are used to using a voter i.d. it's no big deal.

we are securing drop boxes, which were never in the law before this bill. and fixing a lot of other things that will make sure we have secure, accessible, fair elections. >> tucker: really quick, we saw this happen in south dakota, recently where a huge left wing companies got to dictate the law. will georgia cave to their demands in any way? >> could you say that one more time, tucker? you were break unjust a little. >> tucker: will this outcry and this boycott have any affect on the law in georgia? do you believe? >> no, i think just the reverse. i can tell you we are not backing down. the members of the legislature that voted on this bill that were duly elected in november are not backing down. people are rising up because they are worried. they are worried, you know, they are worried what sport is going to be next? you know, what event is going to be next? what business is going to be

next? >> tucker: that's right. they should be worried. governor kemp, i appreciate your coming on tonight. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: next time you fly on delta airlines it might be fun to refuse to show photo i.d. and point out that its racist to ask you for it. good luck. if you want to videotape that experience and send it to us we will put it on the air. as i told you at the outset there was a horrible tragedy today at the capitol. a police officer has died. apparently the assay atlanta died. we don't have a ton of information on this. new developments coming in including ones who described the person who was responsible for it. we will tell you what we know and what it means after the break. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> tucker: awful scene at the capitol in washington today. at least one police officer is dead in the aftermath of it. fox news trace gallagher has the very latest on what happened and what we know now. hey, trace. >> we can tell you tucker police say the killer is noah ricardo green one of so children who grew up in indiana and west virginia. green attended and prayed football at newport news, virginia. so far we have found no criminal record or motive. but in a series of recent social media posts, green talks about being unemployed, facing trying times and said he was leaning on his faith as a devoted follower of the nation of islam.

he referred to himself as brother noah x. he went on to write that his faith is quote centered on the belief of the honorable minister louis farrakhan as jesus the messiah, the final divine reminder in our midst. green said he had never met farrakhan but believed he is the man who can carry him through his dark hour quoting, again, the minister is here to save me and the rest of humanity even if it means facing death. green talks about experiencing an array of concerning symptoms but blames them on drugs that he unknowingly took. he ended a recent post by encouraging everyone to study louis farrakhan who had been widely criticized for his anti-semitic views and what critics call his fundamentally antiwhite theology, tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher for us tonight. thanks so much. >> sure. >> tucker: victor davis hanson is the man we speak to in moments like this is he a senior fellow at the hoover

institution. thank you very much for coming on. one of the habits media and democratic party aftermath of virtually every tragedy you see them go on television or stand in the well of the senate and make broad generalizations attacking this or that group racial group or political group. you are not seeing that today for obvious reasons. what doesthis tell you about thp corruption of the people who are supposed to be making sense of the moment for us? >> yeah, i think the left in general in the democratic party in particular they don't have a concept of the news. they are just opportunities to advance agendas. and right now that agenda seems to be racialism and socialism. so when they look at sometimes they have to inflate the story, jussie smollett, covington kid, duke lacrosse they create it out of whole cloth. sometimes they have to change the language, tucker, so george zimmerman half per reefian becomes a white hispanic and his face is photo shopped to hide

the injury. right now they seem to be fixated on january 6th, january 6th of the emblem of white insurrection and anti-asian hate crime. even though there is no data about anti-asian hate crime and we know about it mostly inordinately committed by african-americans. they take a sexual deviant who shot 8 people, 60's of whom were massage parler workers who were asian two were white and he becomes the new white boogie man that proves that white hates asians. and then we carry that story of the white terrorists into colorado. so when mr. ahmad alissa shoots 10, the story is not even -- we don't even know anything but it's white terrorism did. this now we are on to this incident today. and just as kind of a thought experiment when i heard this story i said to myself if i don't hear -- am i going to hear about the description of the shooter if he is not white and am i going to hear january 6th? and so the first six stories i

looked at there was no description of the shooter at all or the suspect. but january 6th saturated all the stories. as if this was some trump supporter who was still wandering around washington and broke through these fence and necessary barbed wire and shot the capitol. and then only later did i see that he was an unhinged probably racialist supporter of louis farrakhan. and, you know, this is their own words, jim christian amanpour, jorge ramos, lester holt they have all said to us that they are not empirical. deductive the news cannot be reported as it used to be. to finish, tucker, they believe that because the hard left and the racially obsessed to hijacked their own party means that they can also hijack america. and that's what the $64,000 question is. are they right or not? i don't think they are. but they think because they did this to the democratic party, they are going to do this to the entire country and they want to be on the winning side.

>> tucker: can't let them. they are destroyers. i sometimes right down when you speak. i write down because i want to remember it. i love your line they are not interested in the news they see only opportunities. i think that's exactly right. they are thinking in a very different way than the rest of us. victor davis hanson, i appreciate your come on tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: well, the latest episode of tucker carlson today is out. you can find it at fox nation.com. pretty easy to find up. we spoke to an immunologist about the vaccine. it was the most interesting conversations in a long time. if you listen to the whole thing, you will come out reassured about the vaccine, the science behind it seems really solid. you will be very concerned about the people administering the vaccine and the way they are doing it. preview of that is straight ahead. ♪ ♪

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watch all three of the episodes this week over the weekend on fox nation.com. an amazing conversation today. we spoke to an immunologist who taught at harvard. huge fan of the vaccine. says it's one of the great marvels of science and america should be deeply proud of it. but the way we we are administering it he suggests is crazy and it may be dangerous. you should watch this whole thing and here is part of it. >> the sars covid-19 virus is not a very complex virus. it's not like hiv. it's not like her pees it doesn't permanently integrate itself into our gene gnome. into our d.n.a. so it's really transient vice our body clears it we recover from it. many naturally infected people recover from it quite well. when folks in the public health arena talk about the vaccine's efficacy i think it's a good bet our science says this is american science. this is science that we have generated in this country. says to us that neutralizing antibodies and prime t cells can

clear this virus out of your body. now, the question is have we done enough to make sure it's safe in everyone? are their categories and subsets in people in whom this vaccine may pose some sort of a risk? i think the answer to that is yes. i think it's going to be a logical and rationale approach to using both natural immunity and vaccine. in other words, if someone is naturally immune there is no reach to go in and revaccinate them and those patients and those persons would actually be unnecessary medical procedure. this is a very unusual thing. we are literally in the middle of an outbreak where millions of americans as you said are naturally infected or naturally immune deploying a vaccine that essentially reactivates the immune response. so the question is, number one, is that a necessary medical treatment? >> tucker: right. >> number two, is that a dangerous medical approach. they delivered an effective vaccine. now, the safety part of it is what they're making a mistake with. it's a mistake to be vaccinating people who have had recent or

current infections. and that's where the public comes in. the public in america, the every day americans, i think, are far smarter than experts are giving them credit. conduct of a physician in america is bound by the code of medical ethics. the code of medical ethics have four pillars in america. one is -- will benefits one is non-that levy sense. you don't have any that levy sent. one is justice. which you are doing justin to your patients and to the greater whole. and one is the concept of autonomy. you can't do anything to people by force. you can't mandate someone to get a medical treatment that is either unnecessary or is against their will. and neither four of these could override any other one. so you can't say we're going to benefit the majority so we're going to override autonomy. okay? or we are going to override justice because we want to ensure autonomy. you can't do that either.

it goes both ways. certainty there are going to be people for whom this vaccine is not appropriate or indicate. i'm just telling you and your audience and the fda that the 20 to 30% of americans who have been naturally infected should not be getting vaccinated because not only is it an unnecessary practice in those persons, but it's also potentially dangerous one. >> tucker: this is a responsible scientist. again, this is a fervent supporter of the vaccine with some words that everyone should hear. full interviews on tucker carlson today. that's at fox nation.com. once again new episodes every monday, wednesday and friday. monday at 4:00 my interview with piers morgan will be available at fox nation. it is his first interview since he was forced out of his job. is he speaking exclusively to us and we are happy about that. brett larson shows you how to get the new show. >> a lot of you are asking how

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♪ >> tucker: the american civil liberties union was always liberal but liberal in a way that most americans could recognize as american. for more than 100 years they defended what the name implies

civil liberties, freedom of speech. bill of rights. the aclu does not defend those things him in a completely different agenda you might have noticed that michael tracy an independent journalist decided to measure. this he looked at the aclu's last 100 tweets and he found three posts about economic inequality, one post about free speech. he didn't find any about due process. what did he find? 63 tweets about transissues. michael tracy is on substech he joins us now to unpack this story. michael tracy thanks for coming on. i thoughts the aclu did play such a central role in defending the bill of rights concerns groused about it. now that it's gone you really notice its an accepts. what do you think this is about? >> i think it's about the aclu underwent enormous bonanza over the course of the trump presidency raking in huge

fundraising dollars just arraying themselves in a partisan fashion against donald trump. they're reflecting what the donor base wanted. now with trump out of the picture they are again reflecting the priorities of this left liberal activist base and the left liberal activist base is pretty clearly most animated by trans issues at the moment. issues that are pretty core to the fundamental precept of is several liberal free speech, due process they almost seem a tad quaint per the current version of the aclu which is a little odd. i'm somebody who myself was very much invested in preserving the fourth amendment. preserving the first amendment. and, yet. that stunt seem like it enlivens. aclu's current leadership structure there is a point person at the aclu who is around

trans focus. he argues it's inherently harmful to even posit the existence of binary sex categories because our conception of those binary sex categories is rooted in racial supremacy and colonialism. i didn't make this argument. so if you don't follow the logic, i don't blame you. and i guess it's conceivable that you could argue that that theory is connected to civil liberty. but, i'm not sure most normal people would really grasp that logic and, yet, that's what the aclu is overwhelmingly fixated on at the moment. you know, i'm perfectly in favor of treating trans-people with dignity and respect. but they are really advancing an ideological project around these issues that really stray from any notion of simply preserving or protecting the legal rights of american citizens. >> tucker: so just in 30 seconds, since the aclu is not

defending civil liberties anymore, the core ones, due process, equality under the law and free speech, who is? >> good question. might have to be some other kind of trans-partisan organization that fills the void because i think you and i probably basically agree on the necessity of protecting civil liberties. and in order to do that you really have to transcend party divides and for the aclu to just constantly waging this culture war it, automatically alienates potential allies across the political spectrum who might otherwise be interested in curtailing mass surveillance, ensuring that people aren't subject to spurious police searches, et cetera. so, somebody else is going to have to do the job because the aclu is down a different road. >> tucker: it really matters. we have people on the show all the time i disagree with on everything except freedom of speech. and that's the most important thing because without that you have got nothing as you know. michael tracy is on substech and

very worth reading. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so people are really worried about inflation, people who are paying attention. what if you discovered it's already here? in a big way? maybe that's what happens when the government spends money like money has no value? how bad is it? and what effect will inflation have on your life in this country? warren katz has thought a lot about this and has numbers on it. he joins us ahead. ♪

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into the economy. however you feel about the green new deal reparations bill you've got to wonder what does that do to the economy? when you throw that much value around doesn't the value of money decline?

understanding the risks and executive director. that, so much for coming on. leaving aside the merits or de mer of the bill when you dump this much money into the system what are the risks of it? there are a lot of risks, one is you get nation. prices of everything goes up. we've been seeing recently and probably the biggest rest sac the money ends up on wall street and going into private equity and hedge-funds and rising stock prices and crypto currency. and those that benefit only the wealthy segment of americans. >> tucker: clearly it's real, clearly it's driving a lot of the social pathologist we're also distressed about, this is primary driver of that it seems like, the fed policy, dumping all of this money most of which

gets captured by wall street? >> that's right. we've just published research that looks at how much money is flowing out of the real economy and on to wall street, and that's coming both from companies that are just doing buybacks and dividends instead of making investments, and then it's also coming as you said from the government that just keeps pumping more money into the economy. you see that in things like the stock market being completely disconnected from the real economy. during a pandemic year it practically doubled. the bottom 50% gained nothing, and that's, that's what you get when all the money goes into assets and only some people hold the assets. >> tucker: you can kind of feel it, people are behaving as if money isn't real. that's not a good sign, like in a functioning economy, people understand the connection between money and value but that

seems to have been severed or am i just imagine it? >> no, i think that's exactly right. in my mind it's especially important when we talk about investment, which is one of these words that just gets thrown around a lot and we call everything investment and everybody is an investor now. but real investment means actually putting resources to work. having people build things. creating new capacity. most of what's going on, if you think about wall street and all of the trading and the speculation, that's not investment. that's just speculating. it doesn't actually build anything, and so i think we have a real problem in this country where people have found it's more profitable to just kind of trade things around in a circle in a lot of cases than it is to go and build something, and we see the results in house things have played out in the economy where we've seen wages not rising, productivity doesn't rise. we see ourselves losing competitively against china, and then you turn around and look at

wall street and things have never been better. >> tucker: it's such a good point. so nice to hear someone say that out loud. thank you. and thank you for watching. pierce morgan on monday, have a happy easter weekend. we hope you can hug the ones you love. we'll be back monday. ♪ >> sean: welcome to this special edition of hannity "law and order" in america. i'm jason in tonight for sean. in just moments we'll have full coverage of the crisis at the southern border, and the very latest on hunter biden. but first we start with an update from today's horrific attack at the united states capitol. fox is now learning that an individual who is identified as a nation of islam follower on facebook named noah green intentionally rammed his car into tit