♪♪ ♪ >> hello, everyone, i'm griff jenkins along with carley shimkus, rachel compos duffy and ben domenech, and welcome to "the big sunday show." carly are. >> president trump held an event at mar-a-lago this weekend pledging a republican will win the white house in 2024. so is he speaking about himself? >> rachel. >> and we'll take a look at the new twist with the ongoing crisis at the border. president biden is reportedly considering sending money to central america, a cash payment program to ease the flow of migrants heading across the border.

will that strategy work? >> and ben. >> a new report reveals that an online gamer has been infiltrating the white house press corps for months, so how did that happen? >> we'll find out. but first, crime and murder surging across the country as the push to defund the police continues. yesterday two sheriff's deputies in utah were hot in the -- shot in the face outside of the salt lake are county jail. one remains in critical condition. in maryland, lawmakers passing a controversial police reform package which includes repealing the officers' bill of rights and creating new disciplinary processes. sheriff jeffrey gaylor reacting on "fox & friends" this morning. >> it's going to be devastating to the men and women of law enforcement. i think it will be nearly impossible to hold police officers accountable. police officers are going to be monday morning quarterbacks. people are going to look at it after the fact and say was that necessary and proportional. you know, it's sad. it's going to have the chilling

effects on recruitment, on retention and on the proactive police work that is necessary. maryland's up 40% in the homicides. you know, slaughters are going on if on the streets. and yet they're defunding police is all this is about. >> and in st. louis, the city's newly-elected mayor has decided that the best course of action to tackle rise in violence is to bring in more social workers, mental health counselors and substance abuse counselors rather than adding more uniformed officers. and out in portland, oregon, mayor ted wheeler is opting to hire unarmed park rangers instead of more police to curb gun violence. a lot to up pack there. and as you heard the sheriff, guys, talking about homicides up 40% in maryland, i want to start with you, ben, because living here in washington and, obviously, annapolis just 30

miles away, the republican governor, larry hogan, tried to stop some of these measures, the biggest of which gets rid of the officers' bill of rights. and it's got no-knock warrants being limited to just daylight hours and, of course, it's going to address the use of force. and i've got to tell you, the local are reports are that people are not very comfortable with some of this stuff. what do you say, ben? >> well, i think that this is another example of how unserious the defund the police movement really is in terms of trying to actually solve problems for people in these communities. what we learned over the years about american policing is that, actually, community policing requires a lot more of officers, a lot more people who are there on the ground in order to participate in their communities and to have a real impact on lessening crime, being aware of what's going on in those communities. instead, you see the kind of unseriousness that is favored in

places like st. louis, one of the most violent cities in the country, where she really is in favor of engaging in a ton of different behaviors having nothing to do with solving these problems. she was saying the other day about her election that, you know, she was going to be focused on transphobia and xenophobia as being the motivating factors in terms of the crime levels that they have in those communities, and that's just not the case. larry hogan, obviously, a very moderate republican, has been opposed to this in maryland, and i think we'll continue to see problems there and across the country wherever these leftist progressives have the ability to put their ideas into practice. >> yeah. and to that we were just showing the treasurer in st. louis, now the first black mayor of that city and very much an open critic of law enforcement. i want to ask you, ray rachel -- rachel, do you think that perhaps there's a lot of pressure on someone like her as a mayor having seen some failures of progressive mayors in other cities to really try

and get enforcement in these homicides, in the crime and the assaults down? >> well, you know, she mentioned mental health. i mean, i think we could do both, right? we could increase mental health and substance abuse funding in our country, we desperately need that. but these policies are not popular with minorites, with small business owners in many of these small neighborhoods that are difficult and challenging. if so i think what you need to do is talk to the people from these areas. we know that in the last election, you know, the democrats lost a lot of support because of these policies that don't resonate. i take a you try it first for all these people who want to reimagine policing. you try using unarmed park, you know, rangers. you try using social workers, nancy pelosi, ilhan omar has a security tail because she's had -- detail because she's had

threats. they talk a big game, but in the end these vips, these hollywood people who say reimagining the police, you know, like their own protection and their own security details. >> so let's talk about the it. mayor ted wheeler, a liberal mayor out in portland. so the idea to take park rangers who are unarmed to deal with rising crime. let us show you some of the crime numbers starting with portland. here is how high they are up in the city of portland. homicides up 1600%, out in minneapolis more than 50%, and in new york city, carly, where you are, you can see that, 57%. carly, simply the question is, is this sustainable? do they to reverse -- do they ho reverse? >> yeah, it's not just those three cities. 63 of the 66 largest police jurisdiction saw an increase in crime in 2020. and for some it was rape, for

some it was murder, for some it was robbery. and if you don't think the defund the police or the black lives matter movements have something to do with that, you are kidding yourself. we already know what works. rudy giuliani did it in the '90s. you target the small crimes so the big crimes don't happen. that is what saved lives. but today something very strange is happening. you'd think with this increase in crime lawmakers would be passing legislation targeting criminals. instead, they're targeting police officers with these bills and these laws. could you imagine being a police officer, putting that uniform on every single day, risking your life to save others and then the mayor and the city council looks at you like you're the criminal? it's a total slap in the face. and that's why you're seeing so many police leaving cities like portland, taking lower paying jobs in suburbs because, you know, these policies do not work. they make america less safe, and the numbers prove it. >> talk about targeting, if we have that video still, we showed

it to you yesterday. i just want to show it to you again. this is some officers in new york city being harassed in the washington heights neighborhood, just openly berated with a bull horn. it was just tragic to watch that. and, you know, i think, there, you can see it right there. look at this. just taunting, harassing them. the restraint, as i mentioned yesterday, remarkable of these officers. ben, my question to you is i think anybody could pretty much run against de blasio if they support the police to be the next mayor of new york. >> running against that record is certainly something a number of candidates are doing. but here's the more fundamental problem that we're facing here in this country, we can't be honest about the different elements that are required in order to have a peaceful attitude restored within so many of these cities that have really spun off over the course of this

pandemic in really negative ways. unfortunately, the whole conversation around the blm movement and around race in this country has gotten so toxic and so partisan you are unable -- that you are unable to have the kinds of conversations about what is actually needed in these communities. and the irony is that the communities themselves want more police around in order to have more peace, in order to have these small businesses protected, and they aren't getting them because of a kind of administration, a kind of politics that appeals a lot more to progressive white leftists than it does not people who are actually within these communities. >> carly, just a few seconds, sounds like you wanted to say something. >> well, i just totally agree with what ben just said, and i -- it reminded me of the videos that we saw during the black lives matter protests and riots of white women screaming in the face of black police officers saying that they don't understand the plight of what it's like to be a minority in this country.

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♪♪ >> welcome back to "the big sunday show." as the number of immigrants coming into our country continues to rise, president biden is eliminating border wall funding as part of the federal budget. now, this comes as a new reuters report reveals that the administration is considering sending money to central america as a way to curb the migration surge. the proposal would send $4 billion to guatemala, honduras and el salvador over the course

of four years as well as covid vaccines. texas governor greg abbott is blasting the administration's border response this morning on "fox news sunday." >> this is a bipartisan response to the biden administration because you have different members of the congress, of the state legislature as well as democrat local officials who are pushing back against the biden administration as much as conservatives in the state of texas. >> carly, i'm going to start with you. so let's talk about this plan to send money to central america. when i heard about it, i thought about donald trump because he kept talking about dumb politicians with dumb ideas that hurt americans. so you had this stay in mexico policy, you had a wall, it was stopping people from coming to our border. you take it away, and then you pay people to not come to the country. does this make any sense at all? >> well, you know, it's kind of

interesting because -- no, it doesn't make sense. but we actually already do this. the u.s. agency for international development already uses cash transfers to send money to central america to help them with their basic needs. so this is something that's actually already happening. because despite what some people would like you to belief, the united states -- believe, the united states is the most charitable and generous country in the world, and that is something that we should all be proud of. it's something that should be a point of pride for all americans. but there is also a lot of need within this country. i don't -- i can't remember a time where military bases were opened to homeless veterans in the way they are opened to migrant children right now. so there needs to be a balance. as for the border wall, if it wasn't so serious, it would be funny how much president biden is doing to avoid something that actually works. and he requested $1.2 billion for border security in infrastructure in his 2022

funding request but explicitly declined funding for the border wall. it's almost like a mean girl mentality where he's like, well, i don't like him, so i'm not going to do something even though i want to do it. [laughter] and of course he wants to do it because in 2006 he supported the secure fencing act which added 700 miles of fencing along the southern border. and at the time he said -- and this sounds exactly like something president trump would say -- we can build a fence 40 stories high. that is something that president biden said when he was a senator. now he can't support the border wall because it's something that is affiliated with president trump. >> right. so, ben, if we do send this money or, as carly said we already are, maybe we're going to administer money to that, if we don't change the policies back to the way trump had, i mean, how do we guarantee this actually stems the tide? we could give them the money, and then they come anyway.

>> i can guarantee you that it won't stem the tide. all it'll be doing is leading the cartels that are transporting these migrants to raise their prices because they'll know that more people in those nations have more american taxpayer money in their pockets to potentially pay their way to come to the border and to be dropped off there. let's keep in mind this is a situation that, again, politicians love to demagogue, they love to not take serious actions on it. the reason that there was an appeal even in the first place from then-candidate trump on the border wall is that it was a binary. it wasn't a commission, it wasn't a group of committee members who were going to all talk to each other. it was an actual thing that you could point to and say, either you have this or you don't. and that is something that had enormous political appeal for that reason. people don't trust washington when it comes to securing the border or dealing with this immigration issue, this permanent, significant problem that comes to the southern

border in any kind of honest way. this is once again a dishonest approach that's meant to paper over things as opposed to actually offering anything that would deal with the significant humanitarian problem that we see today. >> griff, no one's been down to the border more than you. [laughter] you talked to -- sometimes i think you live there. i don't know when you're home. so you talk to border patrol. they tell us that there are more than 50 nationalities that come through the border. are we going to have to send money to them too? [laughter] >> well, that's true, and it's a good point. i mean, there are people from all over the world. and, of course, we were reporting, i was reporting just last week about the two yemeni men that were on the terror watch list. and then, obvious, the administration took away the press release, deleted it. so we held them to account. here's the point, and i think this cash money is important. carly sort of touched on it. i looked and researched this a few weeks ago. president trump gave more money to the northern triangle, those

countries, guatemala, honduras, el salvador, in his four years than obama and vice president biden did over the course of eight years. but there was a catch. president trump made all three of those countries stop people from coming. you get this money if you stop them. well, if this money's going there now, and we expect it to be quite a lot, well, will there be a catch? will they do what president trump did which said if you get the money, you have to stop them, otherwise we stop the spigot on the cash. that would possibly make a difference. final point, ben and i looked up at the break the population of honduras. there's just less than 10 million people in honduras, so how much money are they getting? it's going to be interesting to see. >> yeah. i mean, it's a lot of money, and i think that's what a lot of americans are wondering, carly, is this money going to latin america, this money going to, as you mentioned, facilities that

could house homeless veterans now going to illegal immigrants that we're incentivizing to come to our country, this just a slap in the face to americans who are just reeling still financially? >> yeah. and i think that there was no greater example of sort of that slap in the face when we saw parents in california who were so desperate to get their kids back to school, and then, you know, this group of migrants were at this convention center, and we saw teachers going there to teach them in person. so there's a lot of examples of how it is starting to feel like a bit of a slap in the face, because there are so many needs for the more than people that aren't being met. >> right. it's the end of the america first era, i suppose. well, former president donald trump is making some big predictions about the future of the republican party, vowing to help the gop take back congress in the coming years and saying that a republican will win back the white house in 2024.

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♪♪ ♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "the big sunday show." former president donald trump vowing to help the gop take back congress in 2022 and promising that a republican will win the white house in 2024 but not going as far as saying whether he's planning on running or not. in recent weeks trump has been critical of senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, but senator john thune of south dakota thinks the two powerhouses will be able to come together to unite the republican party. >> it's part of the style and toam that comes -- tome that

comes from the former president, but i think he and mitch mcconnell have a common goal and that is getting the majority back in 2022 and, in the end, hopefully that'll be the thing that unites us because if we want to defeat and succeed against the democrats and get the majority back, that's the best way to do it. >> all right. so, rachel, former president trump made it very clear that republicans are going to win congress, they're going to win the white house in 2024. so if that is to happen, what are republicans going to need to do? >> well, i think there was a lot of speculation about donald trump, about whether he was going to start a third party, go rogue or if he's just all about himself. it's very clear he's focused on helping the gop win back the house in two years, and that's a sign that he's not going to start a third party. and i think he's also trying to make sure, because he is the kingmaker as he's the only endorsement that matters in the next cycle, that he keeps it as

the america first party. he keeps it away from the establishment, the liz cheney wing of the party, the establishment wing of the party. they want to take back the republican party, and donald trump is making sure he stays in the game and keeps electing people who think like him. i'll tell you, what's been surprising to me is because donald trump stole so much of the democrat base, the blue collar workers that are now so important and so central to the republican message, it's amazing to me that the democrats have not tried to do anything to win them back. they remain the party of the elite, of the oligarchs, of climate and elite policies. and so donald trump has a wide, wide road to run in, to help run in and eventually himself run after he wins 2024, he's focused on 2022 first. >> yeah. you know, ben, mitch mcconnell, obviously, the most powerful republican in congress, but do you see president trump

as a kingmaker in the party in. >> well, absolutely, carly. but i also think that one of the things that you're facing in this moment is a little bit overplayed when it comes to the media conversation about splits that exist within the republican coalition. one of the things that we've learned over the years is that, actually, it doesn't matter so much if you have personal animosity between different political figures and the like. if you line up relatively well on the actual policies that you're going to advance. that's manager that was certainly true -- something that was certainly true in the '90s under the newt gingrich revolution, it was true within the tea party era when you saw different people who basically, you know, even if they didn't like each other personally are, could get on the same page when it came to the policy priorities that they would have. and i actually think the republican party at this particular moment is very well unified around policy positions in a really big way. and that's something that kind of spoke to what rachel was

talking about. the people who are separated away from this kind of agenda really stick out like sore thumbs within the republican coalition because they're so much on the outskirts. the reality is that the party that we see at the congressional level and really in most of the states is fairly unified. and i think it's going to be, especially the media invests in kind of personal animosity or gripes between either former president trump and current members, that policy unanimity is going to help them a lot going into the midterms. >> yeah. you know, griff, it's really interesting because president trump last night, former president trump said that the way republicans can win the white house and take back both the house and senate is to be the party of the working class. and for decades that was the democratic party. that's why they have such close ties to unions. but it really does feel like the tide is shifting in favor of republicans being more the party of the working class in this country. >> it does, that's a great

point. and picking up on where ben was talking about, you know, years of learning things, i mean, i've been in this town for more than 25 years, and i'm slow on the uptake, but if i've learned anything, it is parties win majorities with bold ideas and clear visions on where they want to go. and it is true that many of the republicans are lined up behind this working class. and, listen, president trump fundamentally remade the republican party under his four years. and when he came into office, that's where the republican party wanted to go. but he also cost the georgia gop two senate seats because of name calling. and so he's got a choice to make as the central force of the republican party right now. and, obviously, the most important voice, many would argue. he's got to decide whether he wants to win back majorities clearly and put away the bad blood or if he's going to continue in name calling which isn't going to do him any good or the republican party. >> yeah, that's right. and, you know, of course, everybody's wondering if he

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i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ♪ now is the time to ask your dermatologist about skyrizi. ♪ it's such a good vibration, it's such a sweet sensation ♪♪ muck. >> welcome back to "the big sunday show." i'm ben domenech along with griff general since, carley shimkus and rachel campos duffty. an imposter infiltrated the white house press briefings four times in recent weeks. the imposter has been posing as a correspondent for the

fictional outlet white house news. montague revealing their motivation to politico saying, i love journalism, and i think the press corps is doing a pretty bad job, so i decided i would insure some transparency and ask some questions me and some friends wanted the answer. to montague has managed to get members to ask questions to jen psaki while claiming to not be able to be there because of covid protocols. here's one question on thursday last week. >> a question from my colleague is how involved is former president obama and first lady obama in the biden/harris administration? is president biden seeking to bring back -- [inaudible] events at the white house? >> so, griff, in thinking about this, i have a slightly different take on this than you might expect which is that i don't really see the problem here given the questions that were being put forward by this fake, supposedly fake journalist. i mean, a lot of the questions

if you look at them, they're fairly serious or normal, they're not trying to make a joke or something like that. they wanted to -- and maybe this was something that they wanted to boast about to their friends that they got away with. certainly, it looks like that on the surface -- >> bin bow go. >> but is this -- bingo. >> is this a problem? >> bingo, you put your finger on it, the motivation. let me first just say as someone who was the white house reporter on friday, i stand firmly behind the white house press association and the reporters there because when you are covering a white house, you all have to be in the same boat and work to get information out of whatever administration it is. so i don't fault my colleagues at the white house in the least bit. and if we look at the motivation, why did this person -- whoever they are, i think it said they're a gamer who wanted to get in there, it reminds me back during the obama/biden years when you had

tareq and mikhail salahi who crashed a state dinner. we all remember that. do you remember that? the couple crashed this dinner, and then they wanted to brag -- there they are, look at that. >> yeah! [laughter] >> they got a reality tv deal out of it in the end. mikhail left poor tareq and ran away with neil schoen, the guitarist for journey. [laughter] so that didn't work out so well. -- >> [inaudible] >> maybe the questions are relegit, but it's like why don't you just leave the job of covering the white house to the journalists in there. now, this will probably lead to more scrutiny of those with access. but, you know, at the end of the day, this seems like a silly antic and maybe they got what they wanted. >> but griff, you have to be -- i'm sorry, if a roblox player can come on and get this kind of question asked, isn't it kind of, rachel, an indictment of the press corps for their own

inability to ask tough questions? we saw during that biden press conference how soft they were on him. maybe the gamers would actually be better at this. [laughter] what do you think? >> i think this gamer was not very good. he asked about portrait unveilings? not exactly what might anybody e country cares about at all. i wish the federalist had tried this or maybe even the babylon bee would have been awesome because they actually might have of the questions that the american people want. i'll tell you who should be asking questions, it should be local reporters. local reporters are better than -- i'm going to put aside griff and peter doocy because they work for fox -- [laughter] and they're not part of the whole, you know, d.c. cool set. but the rest -- >> oh -- [laughter] peter doocy and -- [laughter] >> well, i think, i know that griff would rather catch a wave than catch a cocktail party. [laughter] >> yeah. >> that's what i know about griff. but i will say that i think the

d.c. reporters, white house reporters, they do care about getting invites to those cool party, about what their spouses think about being ostracized if they ask the wrong questions. let's get local reporters or let's get the federalist or, as i suggested, the babylon bee. >> carly, quickly, when you look at this story, do you think that it should spur more people to take up the practice of journalism if it's so easy to try to get, slide a question in there for jen psaki? >> ben, i mean, we see so eye to eye on this one. i love this person's whole mentality. he or she was, like, okay, so there were a lot of questions that me and my friends have and we're not getting answers, so i decided to do the legwork and ask these questions myself. i think that is, i think it's very telling, like you're saying, that a lot of times the media with sort of hones in on issues that the american people don't really care about. like how many questions about

the filibuster were asked to president biden during his press briefing? i mean, that's an important topic, but americans really care about kitchen table issues. so, you know, i sort of agree with rachel too, sometimes you've got to leave it to the journalists who are hyperfocused on a local level to ask those really tough questions as well, and a lot of their questions will be not as partisan. but i think that this person is really funny, more power to them. and a lot of the questions that they did ask about covid-19 travel protocols and president biden's relationship with former president obama were really good, solid questions. so more power to this person. >> yes. i just, i like seeing people take up the business of journalism for themselves if they feel like the folks who are professionals are not doing a great job. [laughter] sorry,. would you like to work from home forever? a new survey says a good chunk of americans isn't ready to go back to the office just yet. we have that next. ♪ -- pop champagne and raise a

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♪ -- when you knock on my door -- >> welcome back to "the big sunday show." as a part of his $2 trillion spending plan, president biden is pushing for universal broadband in hopes of getting every american family access to affordable high-speed internet. watch. >> we'll make sure every single, every single american has access to high quality, affordable high-speed internet. we're going to drive down the price for families who have service now and make it easier for families who don't have affordable service to be able to get it now. >> this comes as a new survey suggests that a third of remote employees may look for a new job if asked to come back in the office full time. so could work from home last forever? this is certainly an actual seriously important topic, because it's one of the things that we don't know yet what's going to happen after the pandemic. i thought it was fascinating how

split it was. so 26% of respondents in that study say they want full remote all the time, 25% said they want office only 100% of the time. it's really breaking down on even lines. carly, what do you think? where would you rather be? in the office? at home? on an island in the caribbean? >> ooh, a cocktail right now sounds lovely. i always choose office life because i'm a creature of habit. so i'm glad i never had to do that. i think this is a fascinating conversation. the coronavirus pandemic absolutely has changed the way business is going to be conducted around the world. there will be fewer in-person meetings, a lot of it, i think, will continue to be handled over zoom. and in terms of people going back to work in office buildings or staying home, i really think it'll come down to the bottom line, you know, money. what will be more cost effective. and i think in cities like new

york city where rent is so high, a lot of those workers will still be allowed to work from home, and then it's like, okay, what's going to happen to all these big sky vapors -- sigh scrapers, will they remain vacant. that could cause a big problem for new york city and other expensive cities around the country. >> rachel, we both have teenage children, some heading out into the work force here in the earliest stagings. are you concerned -- stages. are you concerned that if they move to a paradigm where really all these companies are saving so much money by keeping the employees at home, particularly the younger ones that can be remote, that the new employees will lose the benefit of the experience of in-person employment? >> no, it's actually quite the opposite. so there was a great -- we talked about the great reset and there were all these creepy globalists talking about it. there was another reset happening, and it was the great family reset. i live in rural wisconsin.

broadband is infrastructure. it's important to us. and often our children move to other cities because they can't find those great jobs. if they can stay where we live, we like that. we want our kids and our grandkids near us. it's a great rural, you know, thing. and also interestingly, politically it worked out great for republicans. when those children moved to the big cities, they end up voting more liberally, more democrat. and so more broadband going into rural america keeps more people voting red, and i think it also keeps families together and living the lifestyle they want and also people from the city, a lot of them chose to live in rural places like montana and wisconsin and south dakota, and now if there's broadband and the internet speed is high, they can stay in those places. >> ben, i want to quickly get your thoughts because you captained the helm of the great federalist. you're, essentially, you're a business other than. what do you think about this --

business owner? what do you think about this? >> as someone who's worked from home primarily for a decade, this was not a wig change for me. -- big change for me. we're used to working remotely. but i agree that this is a development that's going to lead to some real changes in american society. you're going to have a much bigger split between people who are able to work from home and people who have to go into an office, and that split is going to have massive effects not just on our politics, but on our culture, on the options that are open to people. one thing about this, the whole broadband push, we've seen over the years many private industry the folks within the space try to advance broadband, try to get major wi-fi steps taken up. and over and over again, they run into the barrier of local governments and politicians who want to extra tract as much -- extract as much money and other things from them in order to get that opportunity to move forward. hopefully, we see a situation where that can change in the coming years but, obviously, this is going to be a massive

social and cultural impact in terms of how we move forward. >> i'm forced to work from costa rica near the water, i will do so. just saying. coming up next, president dwayne "the rock" johnson? it worked out for donald trump and ronald reagan, we'll talk about it next. ♪ ♪

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♪♪ ♪ oh, rocking down the highway. >> welcome back to "the big sunday show." how does president dwayne "the rock" johnson sound to you? the actor and former pro wrestler stirring the pot after a new poll showed there's a lot of support over the idea. a poll of more than 30,000 americans found that 29% would

support both johnson running for president and actor matthew mcconaughey if he were to run for texas governor. an additional 17% support just johnson for president and 12% sport just mcconaughey for texas governor. the rock responded with a tweet saying not sure our founding fathers ever envisioned a 6-4 half black, half samoan, pickup driving, fanny pack wearing guy joining their club -- [laughter] but if it ever happened, it'd be my honor to serve the people. so, ben, he says it would be his honor to serve the people. that is not a no. >> it's absolutely not a no. and i think this is certainly, you know, something that people have to consider as being viable in the wake of the success of someone like donald trump, and also we've seen all manner of people run for president and run for office in the past and get surprising success in terms of their appeal. i will say though i know less about the rock's policy

preferences than i perhaps do about matthew mcconaughey. he's been quite open about a number of his positions. but i have to admit, i think i'm the only person on this panel who has actually already voted for the rock for president. i did so in 2016 -- [laughter] and tweeted out my write-in vote and got the retweet from the rock -- [laughter] so i've already, you know, kind of said my allegiance -- >> you just wanted a position in the cabinet, that's what that is. >> the rock knows who you are, ben. that's very cool. [laughter] you know, rachel, i think the thing that is very similar about the rock andth matthew mcconaughey is that they're super moderate. and i think they see themselves as people who could unite the country and bring america back together, and that's a pretty appealing idea to a lot of americans. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's a possibility. ooh i'm not sure how i'd feel about either one of them, and i'd have to, you know, suss out

their politics a little bit more. but remember, my his was the first national politician to come out of reality television. donald trump was the second. [laughter] so i am not opposed to politicians coming out of, you know, tv the, reality tv. i love ronald reagan, so a lot of my favorites. and remember, ben, you put a good point there. it's not just getting elected, but being an outsider, being beholden to no one and being rich can make you a better politician because, remember, donald trump had the best economy pre-covid really in our, in modern history. >> griff, what do you think about the rock for presidentsome. >> well, i wasn't thinking he was presidential material watching jumanji, but what the heck? in 2021 i'm all in. he was the highest paid male actor in 2020, so he's doing something right. >> i just don't know why anybody who's so beloved by all americans would want to be in politics -- >> why. >> -- but, you know, maybe they can add something to the more

than political conversation. that does it for us. "the fox report" with jon scott starts right now. ♪ ♪ let it rock ♪♪ jon: congress is set to return to work this week as it prepares to tackle president biden's massive $2.3 trillion infrastructure bill. good evening, i'm jon scott, and this is "the fox report." ♪ ♪ jon: president biden is expected to meet with lawmakers from both parties as he tries to get republicans onboard with his proposals. but democratic leaders have made it clear they would be willing to move forward with or without gop support. meanwhile, the president's newly-created commission to study the possible expansion of the supreme court is drawing a lot of reaction in washington. david spunt live at the white house with the latest on all of this.