this year alone. >> dana: you see here the bidens are arriving at the u.s. capitol. also described as a loyal friend and beloved father. we have now the tribute to fallen police officer billy evans. we will turn it over now "the faulkner focus". >> harris: thank you to dana and trace. we're going to immediately pick up our coverage now of the fallen capitol hill officer billy evans who has just now returned to the u.s. capitol and has been taken into the capitol building to lie in honor. he is the fourth u.s. capitol police officer to be honored in this way. you see now arriving the president of the united states

and we anticipate to also see with him shortly in addition to the bidens, the attorney general merrick garland we're told will be with the president. we have seen this unfortunately play out before following january 6th riots, the officer brian sicknick became the third officer to die defending the capitol shortly after the january 6th riot its. now evans becomes the fourth to die there. he was hit at a barricade by someone who was barreling through and lost his life there, too. he was not the only officer hit but unfortunately he perished because of it. so now we cover this honor and when you look at some of the things that have been said you may have heard trace and dana talking moments ago about the reputation of some of these

officers. i mean, they go to work in a place every day where yes, they are defending the capitol building but they have relationships with the people around them. and senators have described officer billy evans as being very friendly, someone who not only just greeted you but had a few words to see and a smile that you see on the screen. he was 41 years old and father of two. i want to go to chad pergram live on capitol hill as officer billy evans is lying in honor today. they will bring his casket to the center of the rotunda that you see there. chad pergram. >> only four u.s. capitol police officers have ever died defending this building. two this year. all four laid in honor in the capitol rotunda. the guard post on the senate side of the capitol where evans

was killed was draped with a black cloth, flowers and photo of evans by the guard shack where he stood watch. house chaplin, senator majority leader chuck shooum ear, nancy pelosi, bear black and -- officer kenny shaver was injured in the april 2 incursion. he along with acting u.s. capitol police chief will lay a wreath. lying in honor is similar to lying in state. it is one step below lying in state but looks very similar. the main difference is a police honor guard, not a military honor guard stands vigil. the casket doesn't rest atop of the -- six persons have laid in honor in the rotunda. rosa parks, billy graham, two

police officers. brian sicknick and today billy evans. pelosi called evans a martyr for democracy. he was a "star wars" fans, enjoyed mini golf. he will be buried next to his father in western massachusetts. >> harris: as we watch this, we saw the police profession last week for officer billy evans and now lying in honor. this is such a reminder of the type of protection that already exists at the u.s. capitol. i was just saying moments ago and chad pergram you can do a better job quoting some of the senators who have spoken about billy evans but from what i've been reading the relationships that these officers form with the lawmakers around them is quite special. normally when you are protecting a building or, you know, just regular civilian life. i realize it is not military

necessarily the lawmakers, but if you have something in everyday life you are protecting you may say hello an get to know the people. in this instance and particularly since january 6th there has been such a renewed spirit of friendship among the officers that i've been reading about and those with whom they were tasked to protect. >> it is just not the officers. capitol hill is often described as a small town. barbershops, restaurants and police force. everybody knows each other. lawmakers, aides, people who work at the capitol, custodians, reporters, everybody knows one another. when something like this happens to have two incidents like this within three months, 86 days when evans was killed after the january 6th riot and brian sicknick died a day later, that really hits home. this is a small community to go through a tragedy of that caliber. keep in mind that when the april 2 attack happened, congress was on recess.

there weren't a lot of people here. a lot of members of congress. members of congress have just been coming back into the capitol yesterday and today. many are on hand for the service today. it hits them hard trying to figure out how not just to protect themselves. that was the big question raised after the riot on january 6 but how to protect these officers. this is a department that is reeling. there were 140 officers who were injured sustained significant injuries and many won't return to work after the january 6th attack. that's significant here. to have two officers die in rapid succession really hits home. that was the other thing striking as they pulled the hearse onto the capitol plaza. officers from the d.c. police here as well as the u.s. capitol police standing across the plaza all saluting as the

president's motorcade. you had national guard here through the middle of may. they were standing and saluting as the body was brought up and president biden came to the capitol as well. again, we've seen this scene too many times here at the united states capitol. again, look at the risks that the u.s. capitol police officers take. you think about the two officers who were injured during the 2017 baseball practice shooting. they were both on the detail of steve scalise, the house republican whip sustained injuries there. we've seen this time and time again. and that is what is striking when you look at this incident and what happened in 1998 when the two officers, detective gibson and officer chestnut were killed. they were defending the united states capitol. i have always been told that they try to keep the fight outdoors. this is where there is a lot of criticism. most of it deserved after what

happened on the 6th of january here, capitol security worked. it worked in 1998 where they neutralized the gunman even though two officers died there and worked on april 2 where they kept the fight outside even though tragically officer evans paid the ultimate sacrifice and officer shaver was injured and as i said officer shaver will accompany the acting police chief and place a wreath next to the casket inside the capitol rotunda. the other thing this is a pandemic-style lying in honor here. a little bit different. not as many people allowed into the building for this. harris. >> harris: as you pointed out some of these things we have experienced recently unfortunately. i do have to point out, because you were talking about all of the additional police officers and law enforcement outside of the u.s. capitol coming to a pause and we saw some of that

recently in ab honor to officer billy evans. not just the u.s. capitol law enforcement. a lot of people stood outside the building. the president of the united states now is in this rotunda setting and you see also in front of him the speaker of the house nancy pelosi. the senate majority leader chuck schumer and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. they will pull in and sit down as we have seen this processional before. and the house minority leader next to mitch mcconnell. house minority leader kevin mccarthy. so we anticipate, as we often will see here, there will be words from the leadership and when the president does speak we will bring you back to the u.s. capitol. we do want to turn now to this breaking news. the fda and cdc have now

abruptly paused moments ago now the use of johnson & johnson's covid-19 vaccine. several people have developed rare and potentially dangerous blood clots following their johnson & johnson vaccinations. watch. >> were the blood clots directly associated to the vaccine and if so is it more than you would expect in the population? this jumps on the heels of what we saw with as tra zen today. dozens of cases of blood clots throughout europe and johnson & johnson has similar modes of action they'll be looking at them together. >> harris: this was talked about yesterday into today. it is official. johnson & johnson paused. jackie deangelis is live in new york city with the latest. you know, jackie, i would start with a question that maybe we don't know the answer to yet. people were already getting they had really ramped up to

millions of shots and we saw the dramatic drawdown last week and now maybe we're understanding why. >> i'll start off by saying i got the j&j vaccine but i want to tell you what the white house is saying as a reaction to all of this. they released a statement that reads in part this announcement will not have a significant impact on our vaccination plan. johnson & johnson vaccine makes up less than 5% of the recorded shots in arms in the united states to date. now, when it comes to j&j, it was out earlier with its own statement saying six cases out of the 6.8 million doses it gave is very small but out of an abundance of caution the cdc and fda have recommended a pause in the use of the vaccine. the details of what prompted this are important. six women between the ages of 18 and 48 got this vaccine and were experiencing some issues. one woman did die. another is hospitalized and in

critical condition. right now more information as dr. saphier said before is the key. that's what the pause gives you. buys you time to review the cases. the cdc has an emergency meeting of the advisory committee on wednesday for this specific purpose. the federal administration of the shots has been paused. that is not a mandate for states to halt as well but the sense is it will be interpreted as a strong recommendation to do so. as we are ramping up vaccinations in this country keep in mind that most vaccines are pfizer and moderna as i said in the statement from the white house, but j&j was an important factor as we moved forward in meeting the administration's goals. it is easier to distribute this vaccine because it is one shot and doesn't need to be stored at the same temperatures as the others. when it comes to efficacy j&j is lower than pfizer and moderna and so that was a drawback that many people considered with this. >> harris: all right, jackie

heinrich very important information. thank you very much and as we learn more of course we'll cover this and bring it to you. we want to immediately now go back to the u.s. capitol where officer billy evans is about to lie in honor and when this happens we want to bring this to you in realtime. as they carry in his casket draped in an american flag and set it in the center of the rotunda. you have seen moments ago before we had the johnson & johnson pause breaking news that the leadership there on capitol hill is in place and you can see from left to center of your screen some of them. the president on far left mid part of your screen down to the house minority leader kevin mccarthy closer to the center. so now they have brought in the casket honoring the fallen capitol police officer billy evans. this comes at a time when the country is mourning the losses of other police officers as

well. it has also been a tough year and a half to two years with the pandemic onset. a lot of focus on police officers and unfortunately what has happened in minneapolis in the last few days as well. randy sutton is a 33 year law enforcement veteran officer and founder of the wounded blue. randy, thank you for being with me. first your top line thoughts on protecting the u.s. capitol and the loss of police officer billy evans. >> thanks for having me, harris. i think that it's important for all americans to understand this, and that is officer billy evans per son files what american law enforcement officers are. fathers, children, family. they are americans. and in this time of upheaval

and vilification of law enforcement officers around the country i would ask that americans who are concerned about their nation, concerned about the country would look at this and look at billy as a symbol of trust, a symbol of honesty and honor and integrity and everything that law enforcement stands for. and that's what i wish for today. >> harris: randy, you and i will sit by and we are going to listen now to the chaplain inside the u.s. capitol. >> shine your light into the gloom of death's shadow. may it shed courage and consolation upon officer evans' mother janet, his children logan and abigail, and their mother shannon in the sure and certain hope of the eternity that you have promised. we commend this service to your will and your servant, william to your keeping. in your strong and holy name we

pray, amen. >> ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. >> harris: we will toggle back and forth as the speakers begin. of course when we get to the president of the united states we will pause and watch that. i want to go back to what you were saying, though, because the conversation that is being had nationally is not to be mistaken. it is not quietly happening, it is boldly happening. there are people in some places rioting in the streets still and have been since last summer. there are fresh new calls for defunding police departments. some of our great american cities are seeing spikes of certain violent crime of more than 100%. we are in a complicated place, randy sutton. >> yes, we are. i don't want to take the momentum away from what we're

seeing today and the honor of officer evans. but i can't help but be really disturbed at congress who is standing there in honor of this man and gave his life as almost 100 other police officers have just this year alone, and at the same time they move forward with anti-police rhetoric, with anti-law enforcement laws that will make the job more difficult, more dangerous, and then you have people like congresswoman tlaib who call for the abolishment of law enforcement as police officers are being shot, stabbed, beaten and assaulted every single day. and harris, i can't keep silent about it. what i'm seeing is very frustrating for me because of

the hypocrisy that i believe is taking place. >> harris: randy, we will continue on with that conversation and also honoring officer billy evans. senator schumer is speaking now. let's watch. >> a fellow of infinite jest who brought joy and laughter out of life's smallest moments. returning to that lost tourist officer eve ns wouldn't leave the poor guy hanging. let me ask you a question, how can i help? summing up his life's mission in those four simple words. how can i help? how can i help my country? join the capitol police force. how can i help my colleagues? volunteer to join the first responders unit. and on an unseasonably cold day

in early april, that innate impulse to ask how can i help had billy running towards danger. a reflex, as natural and automatic as breath to put the safety and happiness of others before his own. we are all shocked by the senselessness of this loss. to his sister, julie, his mother, janice, who i was able to speak with last week, to shannon, my heart breaks for you. it does. to billy's beloved children, logan, abigail, i want you to know that we are forever indebted to your dad. we will remember his sacrifice and your sacrifice forever. and to billy's friends on the capitol police force, these

past few months have been devastating. just as the scars of january 6th have begun to heal, another wound had opened. i say to you now, our dear capitol police force will protect us. there is no shame in grief, sorrow and shock. we grieve with you. we feel that shock and sorrow with you. and we will heal together with you. to everyone else gathered here, i have two things to ask of you. first, if you see an officer today, be like billy and ask yourself how can i help? be like billy and be a comfort to all who are lost, to all who continue to recover from wounds seen and unseen in the wake of

these tragedies. and second, second, i would ask all of you to keep his memory alive. in the jewish faith we say may their memory be a blessing. a blessing is something we remember and share and speak aloud. those of you who remember billy need to speak his name, tell his stories, tell his jokes, even the bad ones, especially the bad ones, to keep his memory alive. to make sure his young children grow up knowing their dad and remembering him as the hero and loving father he was. today we are hollow with loss but one day billy's memory will feel like a blessing if,

through all of life's tragedies, billy could search every moment for that spark of joy, so can we. rest in peace, william. may your memory be a blessing. >> ladies and gentlemen, the honorable nancy pelosi, speaker of the united states house of representatives. >> mr. president, members of billy's family, including members of the capitol police who are here. it is my official and sad honor

to welcome you as well as billy's many friends, colleagues and loved ones to our capitol to honor his life. this observance is elevated by the presence of the members of the capitol police, leaders from the district of columbia including mayor bowser and metropolitan police department. we thank you for your service. members of the administration, the attorney general, the chairman of the joint chiefs, and the president of the united states. we all acknowledge officer evans capitol police family and thank them every chance we get. we include in that recognition officer kenneth shaver, american hero, christina, we thank officer craig atkinson

for his heroism here with his wife mary julia. the officers with whom billy served at the north barricade are sitting among his family today is a testament to a special bond billy had with that force. most importantly we're blessed to be with officerer answer' family, his mother, janice, his children, logan and abigail and their mother shannon and sister julia. thank you for giving congress the honor to pay tribute to billy evans today. officer evans joined the pantheon of heroes who have given their lives to defend this capitol including on january 6th. brian sicknick, howard, jeffrey

smith, also christopher eny, quinton holtz. jacob chestnut and john from year ago. as we promise to remember, we carry them in our hearts forever. twice in two months have many of us been brought together here in the capitol rotunda united in grief to mourn the life and loss of heroes in uniform. just months after the january 6th assault on our democracy, the men and women of the capitol police were again called to duty on april 2, officer evans answered that call in giving his life to protect the capitol and our country. he became a martyr for our democracy. officer evans, a catholic, was killed on good friday, the saddest day of the year for many people of faith.

this sacrifice recalls scripture greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. officer billy evans was a hero whose life was distinguished by dedication to our country including 18 years on the capitol police force. he represented the best of public service, selflessness, sacrifice and sheer courage in the face of the threat to our nation. when people spoke of officer evans they said things like he loved being a capitol police officer more than anyone could really say. and he carried the badge everywhere, he was just so proud. but what billy was most proud of was his family, his absolute devotion to his family was legendary. when i spoke to janice, his

mother, following the tragedy, i asked how she was doing and she said my concern is for the children. for logan and for abigail. i hope that it is a comfort to logan and abigail. i hope that it is also a comfort to them that their father, an american hero, is lying where abraham lincoln lay on the post built for abraham lincoln. many of us have heard billy's friends talk about his favorite part of the day was returning home from work to see his children's faces light up with joy. how billy loved sharing with them his love for sports, particularly boston sports. how each day was an adventure whether play fighting with lightsabers and building cities of legos and enjoying the magic of harry potter.

everyone who knew billy knew that he was a hero on the capitol police force and in his family. we hope with this tribute the american people, will know and remember the truth, logan and abigail. no words are adequate. we can only imagine your sadness but we hope it is a comfort to you that so many now know about your dad and know that he is a hero. that his name will always be on our lips and his memory in our hearts. and that the president of the united states is picking up on the -- a compliment no one had with the president of the united states looking after your toys. that so many mourn your loss and pray for you, including the president of the united states

here today to offer words of tribute to billy. we also hope this tribute is a comfort to members of the capitol police force. as we grieve this passing of officer evans and all who have given their lives to defend the capitol and the country we're moved by the courage, grace, and resilience with which each member of the force has met this moment and continues to serve our nation. thank you. may god bless the united states capitol police force and all who work to keep our nation safe and may god bless america. thank you to the family of billy evans for giving us this honor to pay tribute to a true american hero. thank you.

>> ladies and gentlemen, the honorable joseph r. biden junior, president of the united states. >> president biden: madam speaker, majority leader schumer, minority leader mccarthy and minority leader

mcconnell. members of congress, chairman of the joint chiefs, general milley, attorney general garland, mayor bowser, all the capitol hill police and all that are here to pay tribute to this capitol policeman who fell in the line of duty. acting chief pittman and the men and women of the capitol police force, i am sorry, the second time in two months to have such a ceremony. and you know, william, i didn't know billy but i knew billy. i grew up with billies. in scranton, pennsylvania. billy was always a kid that if you got in fight and you were outnumbered 3-1 he would still

jump in knowing you would both get beat. he was the one who always kept his word. said he would be there, he would be there. he was the one who just like folks i grew up with, was incapable of saying no when you needed him. you know, just like officer shaver who was injured in the attack with billy. and never has there been more strain. i've been here a long time. i've been here since 1972 as a u.s. senator, 73. so much train and responsibility have been placed on the shoulders of the capitol

police. and yet you hear it, you see it, you watch them, you watch them do their duty with real courage, not complain. you know, sergeant kyle king, i'm sorry you had to make the call, that telephone call that every family dreads when they have a son or daughter, husband or wife, sister or brother in uniform. when they put that badge on and go to work they expect to come home in the back of your minds you will never get that call. i've known billy since grade school. i think it was in fourth grade.

all the guys i grew up with in fourth grade. when one passes away the other has to give up. has too much information about you. too much to leave behind. but you know i'm sure all those memories from north adams and kla,burg never changed who billy was. he was defined by his dignity, decency, loyalty and courage. because of you and his dad. i saw it happen. not by accident. you have some idea what you are feeling like. i buried two of my children so i know some of what you are feeling like. and people have come up to you and are going to come up to you for some time and say i know

how you feel. we say that to the kids and to the wife. and after a while you know everybody means well. you feel like saying you have no idea. but the truth is that the time is going to come, i promise you. not believable now. when a memory, a fragrance, a scene, a circumstance, the way his son tilts his head the way he did when he was that age, it will bring back the memories. and in all this time it is going to feel like at that

moment, that memory, will feel like you got the phone call just that moment ago. and there are going to be people celebrating billy's life. inasmuch as you appreciate it, all of you, it also is hard, you relive everything again. you know, i got a phone call when i first got here and lost my family, part of my family, by a person i never knew, never met. former governor of new jersey who was literally 45 years my senior. and he told me he knew how i felt. and i didn't say anything. he said i know what you are thinking. he said but i did know.

he said i used to come home. i was the attorney general of new jersey before i was governor and i came home for lunch because i lived across the green from my office. one day a woman who helped out at our home came running across the green saying she is gone. his wife was in an ambulance. he said you know what i did? i kept a -- he had graph paper and four months off i would put the month on it and a a vertical line i put the numbers 1-10. 10 would be the happiest day of my life. 1 would be like the moment i got the phone call. and he said every night before i go to bed i would put a dot on that day where i was.

he said don't look at it for three or four months. he said you look at it and you will see if you put it on a graph, the downs are just as far down but they get further and further and further apart. this you are all going to know that you are going to make it. by holding each other together most importantly, holding logan and abail as tightly as you can because as long as you have them, you've got billy. as long as you have them. my prayer for all of you is that the day will come when you have that memory and you smile before it brings a tear to your eyes. i promise you it is going to

come. it just takes a while. it takes a while. but when it comes, you will know because he is still with you. he is still in your heart. losing a son, daughter, brother, sister, mom, dad, losing a piece of your soul. but it is buried deep but it comes back. there is a great quote by r.j.ingersoll. was read for my son came back from iraq and he died. they read this poem. it said when a will defies fear, when duty throws the

gauntlet down to fate. when honor skorns compromise with death. this is heroism. your son, your husband, your brother, your dad was a hero. it is in your blood. my prayer for you is that the smile comes before the tear quicker and longer. thank you. >> harris: we have just watched the president of the united

states give his words of kindness and empathy like he does so well. he is iconic at it. so present and so kind. in these times those words may not mean yet a lot to those children logan and abigail. the president used some big words. but he was speaking to the family of officer billy evans and to those children to think ahead in the future his words will come into focus for them. billy evans left a legacy with those children and in the last few minutes you could see before the president spoke and then after as he walked by to again give his condolences to the family sitting there at the top left of your screen, abigail had dropped something on the floor and the president bent down. you watched it. we watched it together, bent down to pick it up to give it to her and her brother logan

sitting next to her sitting between adult family members there. consoler in chief is a role that every president unfortunately plays in america. and we watched this moment of grief and we feel for the family and we understand the sacrifice because we have watched it play out. we know the meaning of law enforcement in our lives particularly at our u.s. capitol. there is little abigail clutching her little capitol replica toy there. our prayers are with that family. a legacy that officer billy evans leaves behind also with his family, via his family but the relationships he had with his fellow officers and with lawmakers. let's just take a moment. officer billy evans will lie in

honor inside the capitol rotunda, the fourth united states capitol hill police officer to do so after losing his life in the line of duty. our coverage today, we will come back as this scene here makes more news but for now the second night in minneapolis, a suburb there, erupted in violence and it is a huge story. after sunday's deadly police shooting of a black man 20-year-old daunte wright police are using tear gas on unruly protestors who set off fireworks and looted stores. they were hurling projectiles at police. it got more violent than just the looting. some officers were injured. minor injuries so far we're told thankfully. the incident reignited the

defund the police debate. do the politics dip into this now? congresswoman tlaib tweeted this. it wasn't an accident. policing in our country sin herently and intentionally racist. no more policing, incarceration and militarization. it can't be reformed. an op-ed says this shooting illustrates why it's essential to fund the police, quote, don't tell the defund the police crowd but if you want officers who are smart and empathetic and well trained you will have to pay. on the other hand, if you want the keystone cops to run around with badges and guns, just do what they did in minneapolis in december and defund the police, end quote. jason rantz, seattle radio talk show host is with me now. jason, i turn to you as times like this. you have seen this play out on the ground in your city. you've been in those crowds. your first thoughts about what

is unfolding in that suburb of brooklyn center, minnesota. >> my first thoughts were anger and disgust that we're seeing yet again the so-called summer of love but happening earlier. it is going to result in more deaths and more anger and angst and congresswoman tlaib is making it worse. i can't help but compare the images we're now seeing to what we saw moments ago with officer billy evans. you have on the one hand democrats coming together and i'm grateful they are to praise police. you also have people like tlaib and other defund politicians who are partisans who define their outrage by the dead black bodies that they use as props to forward a radical agenda to defund the police. billy evans lost his life protecting people regardless of their race or their religion or

their gender because that's what he signed up to do. it is undoubtedly true that officers make mistakes. a mistake was made and it was deadly. and that officer is going to pay a price for that. but to turn to this and say this is an example of some sort of institutionalized racism that means we should be not just defunding the police but abolishing the police. abolishing prisons. she doesn't care about these victims. she is using them for a very specific political agenda she makes no bones about. she is not hiding it. they say every institution in this country has been built upon white supremacy and needs to be torn down. that's what they are trying to do. and okay if a few communities get destroyed in the process and lives get destroyed in the process. it is for the greater good, they believe. it is soulless, it is disgusting. >> harris: i want to bring this

into our discussion, jason. reporters are scolding the brooklyn center police chief the unrest a riot. watch. >> what was your decision to issue a disperseal order while they were peacefully protesting in front of the police station? >> just so everybody is clear, i was front and center at the protest, at the riot. we did not -- >> it was not a riot. >> there was. >> harris: all right. so police have certain ways, jason, i would imagine, of defining a riot. in fact, they say what one is and then they take different action when they see one. what do you anticipate is going on with the local media there at that press conference as you watch and hear it? >> well, what we've seen across the country is this willingness to side with the rioters. they don't want to upset the

crowd. they don't want to upset the people that they turn to for sound bites as they are covering these stories. in so many instances whether local or national you have reporters who side ideologically with a lot of the underlying causes behind some of these protests that turn into riots. but the fact of the matter is when you decline to define a riot as a riot, you are justifying the violence and destruction. you are emboldening these people to do the same things over and over and over again and it is not going to stop. that's why it has been going on for so long in the pacific northwest because of political cowardice and media members who refuse to condemn it. it is not wrong to condemn violence the same way it is not wrong to condemn a mistake or a purposeful use of force that goes too far. it is ludicrous to me that we're still a year after the

start of the violence refusing to call it out for what it is. what is the down side to calling out a riot a riot? i would love to know the answer to that. >> harris: it is ironic it will be a year may 25th when george floyd was brutally killed. and so it feels a lot longer than it has been as you point out. it hasn't quite been a year yet. i would say this, those reporters missed an opportunity by not asking the police chief how do you define a riot? there is a way to get to those answers without driving that narrative. jason rantz, great to have you on the program. not an easy day or time right now. good to have a real discussion. thank you. who is really in charge of the white house? texas senator john cornyn asked that question as president biden is called out for his lack of public appearances and social media usage. reaction from the white house and the power panel next. >> senator john cornyn called

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>> harris: texas senator john cornyn weighing after politico highlighted president biden's lack of presence on social media and in public, he quoted the politico article on twitter. open with the president is not doing cable news interviews, tweets from his account are limited and when they come, unimaginably conventional. public comments are largely scripted, biden has offered them a copy for fewer done interviews. he then asked, is biden really in charge? here is white house press secretary jen psaki with a fiery response to it all. >> i can confirm that the president of the united states

does not spend his time tweeting conspiracy theories, he spends his time working on behalf of the american people. >> harris: i want to bring in our power panel now, fox news contributor jessica tarlov and "washington times" opinion about editor charlie hurt, who is also a fox news contributor, charlie, i will come to you first for your response to all of this. >> come i don't blame jen psaki for trying to deflect from the larger question there by talking about the previous presidents exuberant twitter habits. the truth of the matter is she is trying to deflect from a far more important question and that is how opaque this administration is an extraordinary efforts this administration goes to protect the president from answering tough questions from the media and going out in public and talking about the ideas behind his administration and when you have a lot of things going on right now that if you are that he's not in control such as the southern border it raises real

questions and you know, this is a free country, we have a right to know, he's not a king, he has a president and he does owe us, the american people explanations about his policies and what he's thinking. >> harris: before the whataboutism comes from that crowd, jessica, i do want to say that we saw the president in such tender moments with the family of officer billy evans just a few minutes ago, that they are showing come of this particular officer who died at the u.s. capitol. his children, logan and abigail touched by the president, he specifically went over to them, picked up a toy that had fallen but that's not the sort of thing that charlie and others are talking about, they are talking about, you know, peeling back the curtain on this administration and being able to ask questions that are meaningful for the policies that he's rolling out, some of which are not working out for him. >> yes, of course those are two

very different types of public appearances and i really appreciated your comment earlier in the show, harris, about how joe biden is so good at these moments, the consoler-in-chief and he was really made for these exact times which are often filled with such sadness that he's experienced in in his own personal life. i think it's important for a president to be out there as much as possible, i do know that if you want to see joe biden, gong c-span, online, on cable news, he is somewhere almost every day but i would encourage more interviews. i think he does extremely well, actually, in forums and events and in interviews, he has deep policy knowledge build on over 50 years of experience and he should do more of that. but the idea that senator cornyn is criticizing him for a boring twin twitter account is so ludicrous especially since senator cornyn had been critical about what donald trump did about his twitter account, from doing twitter diplomacy,

et cetera so twitter is not real life, the majority of the people who backed joe biden, by the way, in the primary before he became the front runner in the general election candidate don't even have twitter accounts, that's not where his key constituency is, he doesn't work, he's hiring good people who are doing interviews and you can hear about their approaches to their policy to that. >> harris: all right, and you mentioned pete buttigieg and that's fair, he has been out there, not the same as the president of the united states and certainly not the same as the person who is in charge of the border now, the vice president of the united states being able to ask through the clouds of policy changes that have left thousands of children in facilities that are unsafe due to crowded conditions and all of the reporting that we are hearing, not being able to ask the administration directly, not jen psaki is problematic. charlie, you get the last word before we scoot.

>> i agree with you and just to reiterate, talk about twitter is a total distraction, the point here is about transparency and the biden administration is not lived up to all of its promises about being transparent. >> harris: all right. good to see you both, thank you very much. for now, just seconds away from "outnumbered." ♪ ♪ >> [bleep], [bleep]. >> emily: that's footage from a second night of violence and looting over the shooting death of 20-year-old daunte wright as a high-profile democrat calls for an end to policing in america. this is "outnumbered," i'm emily compagno. here today, my cohost harris faulkner and kayleigh mcenany, radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall in joining us today in the center seat, bret baier and executive editor of "special report."