>> i agree with you and just to reiterate, talk about twitter is a total distraction, the point here is about transparency and the biden administration is not lived up to all of its promises about being transparent. >> harris: all right. good to see you both, thank you very much. for now, just seconds away from "outnumbered." ♪ ♪ >> [bleep], [bleep]. >> emily: that's footage from a second night of violence and looting over the shooting death of 20-year-old daunte wright as a high-profile democrat calls for an end to policing in america. this is "outnumbered," i'm emily compagno. here today, my cohost harris faulkner and kayleigh mcenany, radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall in joining us today in the center seat, bret baier and executive editor of "special report."

chaos erupted again last night in the minneapolis suburb of brooklyn center, protesters busted into local businesses, destroying and robbing stores and law enforcement officials set up concrete barriers around the city's police headquarters as hundreds gathered in defiance of the 7:00 p.m. curfew. police arrested some 40 people, then as progressive congresswoman rashida tlaib called for radical change, tweeting this. "it wasn't an accident. policing in our country is inherently and intentionally racist. daunte wright was met with aggression and violence, i am done with those who condone government-funded murder. policing, incarceration and militarization, it can't be reformed. thank you for joining us this morning and i'd like to start with you on this, what are your top line thoughts there on the situation unfolding in brooklyn center minnesota? >> bret: well, good afternoon. if i could just go back to the ceremony of the capitol police

officer and harris, i thought you were really eloquent coming out with the president's remarks about the family and what president biden said there and i agree with jessica that the president is really, really good as consoler-in-chief, we've seen that numerous times including the 500,000 covid deaths. end of the speech he delivered there because he comes from a place of empathy, he comes from a place of truthfulness about that sorrow that he has seen with the loss of his wife and daughter and the loss of his son beau and that speech today touch the same things talking to that family. here's where i'm liking it to come of the dichotomy of that and nancy pelosi there and chuck schumer talking about the importance of the capitol police department the importance of policing and the dichotomy of the politics of the progressive side of the democratic party, like rashida tlaib, congresswoman saying no more policing, no more incarceration and others kind of echoing that

in the wake of what we've seen, i think is really stark and it's going to be an issue for democrats going forward to have to answer to these two thoughts about policing and how tough that job is and what is come in the wake of it, each incident is different and we are not excusing anything but overall the dichotomy of those two things is really interesting to see. >> emily: that's exactly right and kayleigh, bret brings up the future potential accountability for these representatives politically with these comments, representative rashida tlaib saying no more incarceration, no more policing, that is inherently and intentionally racist. >> kayleigh: it's remarkable, it's an appalling tweet, a disgusting tweed and a tweet that america will not take welcome as we know about 18%, 18, that low, support that he found the police movement. she also went on to call for the very movement to be reignited, a

movement that moderate democrats on a call between house members in the wake of the election said, stop saying that, you're doing damage to our party and indeed, they are right about that. it's nice to hear senator schumer stand up there and really eulogize officer evans in a beautiful way, he said, you know, he always said these four words, "i'm here to help" and i would say to chuck schumer and others, that's most of the police officers in this country, that phrase, "i'm here to help" is the kind of service mentality the vast majority of police officers like officer evans and at the white house podium i really hope jen psaki has read that tweet from rashida tlaib in light of the beautiful memorial service we just saw for a hero and is asked to respond to it because she should be held to account, her party should for that kind of record. >> emily: as you have said, we are in a complicated place, communities are in anguish both emotionally and also literarily

as they are being burned down and their livelihoods are being destroyed, police department's are being defended, officers are being vilified and all of this as we speak of falling capitol police officer billy evans lays an honor there at the capitol. >> harris: i wonder if people like congresswoman rashida tlaib want us to actually see each other the way we really are, i sometimes wonder, is it easier to use us as props in politics, they don't allow people to see each other as human beings, if you make everything about racism, what we are learning about that situation and we still don't know all the facts but we learned a lot from that video without audio because the police chief in brooklyn center said he decided to release in early so people could see what he called a mistake being made, she pulled a gun instead of a taser, is that training? we don't know what that is but to out and out call everything racist means that we can't even have substantive conversations about the things that matter

most in life. bret put it so well, there are two stark ways of looking at it, i say it's more than a stark line, i say that we are in two different quadrants, we can't even see the line, we can't even see each other and for some politicians as a good thing because if we aren't humanized to each other and props don't see us as human and we don't see them as human then you can manipulate both sides. and you can make both sides hate each other. and i guess if all your goal is is to keep your seat that will benefit you but if you want to bring america together that is not how you do it. >> emily: there in brooklyn center, the city manager was just fired by the mayor and it was because he called for a due process for the officer because he pointed out that she was put on administrative leave per department policy and i just want to point out that when i was a federal managing attorney i engaged in disciplinary measures of employees and terminations and put them

administrative leave and the like and part of the reason i adhere to a certain structure in place was for their protection, of course but it was also for the state's protection, it protected the government that i represented against causes of action they might have against us and we know that in unintentional shootings, the protocol is that there are two investigations, and internal want to determine whether any department policy was violated and if so to recommend commensurate punishment or discipline including termination and also an external one so there in minnesota it's a criminal bureau of apprehension to determine when and if charges should be filed and i bring those up to point out that the purpose of those ensures that due process so that the potential errant employee is protected and also the state and leslie, when the mayor terminated the city manager he said "i want to ensure that the city benefits from good leadership at all levels throughout the city government." so what was it about calling for

due process that protects both the officer and to the stage from the office are, what about that, calling for due process wasn't good leadership? >> bret: was that to leslie or to me? >> leslie: sorry, i thought it was, i just didn't want to jump in. everyone is entitled to a due process. you know, our laws are clear, the constitution is clear but i want to go back to that due process, that video and the investigation. on my radio show i have spoken to police officers, some say what they've seen looks accidental but some say they are perplexed because they were trained that their predominant hand has their weapon and their other hand, for me it would be right and their other hand, left, would have the taser. others have told me the feel of the taser, the way the taser, to pull the trigger is different. looting and violence are wrong,

period. however, the african-american community have also told me, that called into my radio show, every time sending like this happens it's yet another day they feel that they wake up in america where african-americans live has been taken accidentally or otherwise by a white police officer and they are angry. violence and looting do not achieve the goal. violence and the looting don't help us with a solution. quite frankly, saying having no policing, no incarceration doesn't help either but obviously we need some retraining in some of our police departments. perhaps this one as well and obviously we need to have conversations as well as solutions to these problems which violence, looting, rioting, burning certainly are not. then again, we cannot overlook the disproportionate numbers that are affected by those in the african-american community. >> harris: leslie, you are going to need money for that.

you are going to need funding for them if you are going to need those things and by the way, as a black person i wake up with a broken heart but i also have a broken heart when 30-40 people are shot in chicago and its black on black crime. if we want to talk about having a broken heart and having an honest reaction to the pain of loss we can talk about that but if we are going to solve problems and you want to put and infuse all these great things into the system for police you're going to need cash to do that. defunding the police is not how you get there. >> leslie: i agree with kayleigh on something she said earlier, the majority of democrats like myself, centrist and moderate do not agree with defunding the police, do not agree with that phrase or really what the intention was which was reformation of the police department or as president barack obama said today, we need to reimagine the police department. >> emily: a little bit of landscape for a second just for viewers, in the last roughly ten

years there have been 17 unintentional shootings, accidental discharges of weapons that have resulted in charges and two of those in oklahoma and california specifically the officer maintains that they confuse the taser with a gun and about 28 resulted in civil suits with settlements and those settlements ranged from $200,000 to several million so again, going back to those two investigations i referenced earlier that will inform what we see here and the way of actual structural processes and the conclusions their end the decisions reached, we will take you to. up next, journalists are activists, that question is now being raised after the minnesota police breathing led some reporters to ask things like this. >> you are working harder to protect those cops then a victim of police murder. >> emily: plus, according to democrats, nearly everything is infrastructure, the latest

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>> harris: the definition of "infrastructure" just keeps on changing and expanding at least according to democrats. take a listen. >> i think broadband is infrastructure, it's not just roads, bridges, highways, et cetera. >> here in washington but folks are getting into this semantic debate, i very much believe that all of these things are infrastructure because infrastructure is the foundatios us go about our lives. >> we need to take a broad look at what infrastructure means. >> we don't want to use past

definitions of infrastructure as we are moving into the future. >> harris: they said it so many times i almost forgot what it means. that's not the only where the administration seems to be redefining these days. senior biden advisor anita dunn says this. "if you look up bipartisan and the dictionary i think it would mean support from republicans and democrats, it doesn't say they need to be in congress. we b6, infrastructure, what does it mean? 's >> bret: its broadening as you pointed out, it's fine, it is evolving as far as where we are going as a country, broadband probably fits in there and other things do as well. but when you start going into this human infrastructure sentence, it opens up a whole different piece of policy and i think that's where they are going to have pushback from republicans in congress, the definition of bipartisan is

republicans signing onto a bill in congress. not because you get some percentage of republicans on a poll who perhaps don't know exactly what's in the bill. it's the job of their representatives to read exactly what's in the bill. and in this bill, more than half of it, about half of it deals with reducing co2 and greenhouse gases and has to do with climate change and even alexandria ocasio-cortez, congresswoman from new york has essentially said that the framework of the green new deal has been adopted in what they are pitching now in this new plan and i think that says all we need to know. >> harris: and you bring me right to this, segue to the next thing, thank you, my friend. "wall street journal" editorial argues that joe biden's spending plan is the green new deal in disguise, the green new deal and disguise, biden's infrastructure bill is really a plan to remake the economy." and the quote "mr. biden is

pitching his plan is having a big economic return on federal investments. better roads, bridges, ports, could increase productivity but more than half the plan is dedicated to reducing co2, with the goal of eliminating fossil fuels with federal subsidies, spending, and regulation, this is a political project was suspect returns kayleigh mcenany. >> kayleigh: that's exactly it, democrats seem to be a fan of trojan horses these days, the president of the united states has become a trojan horse for a radical agenda he has this commission to study or ending the filibuster which democrats have floated or the so-called equality act or hr one, he's a trojan horse for a much more radical agenda than the one he pulled on the campaign trail in the green new deal which is trying to avoid answering questions on that is now in a trojan horse infrastructure package. that's what democrats seem to be doing these days.

karl rove made an excellent point yesterday, he said if bipartisanship is suddenly getting majority support in a public poll, guess what? democrats are now fans of voter identification which has 75% support so i think after this infrastructure package they may want to go about passing a national voter i.d. if they can do it because indeed that seems to have bipartisan support in the definition of democrats. >> harris: not to go too far afield here but wasn't that part of the problem with moving the mlb all-star game out of georgia because he put it in another state that has tighter voter i.d. laws when you try to move it someplace else, case in point of what you're saying. leslie, your thoughts? >> leslie: well, can we have universal background checks, kayleigh? americans and support that as well. let's talk about the green new deal in fact-check this legislation versus the green new deal. the green new deal would be about $7 trillion more than this and they want to hit zero

emissions by 2030, that's not this plan at all and let's talk about the expanded definition of infrastructure, bret touches upon setting that is accurate, we are changing as a society, we've evolved and progressed and there are a couple things only look at what happens, that we need to have our water pipelines brought up to speed and up to grade into the same with our electric grid after we saw what happened in texas and also the minority communities are low income communities in this country that are disproportionately affected when we have crises within our water system or electric system. infrastructure is an area that's always had bipartisan support, not just among the voters but among legislators. obviously everybody keeps kicking it down the road which is odd because politically infrastructure is a win/win whether you are a democrat or republican. go to your district or state and say look, this is how many jobs will be created. so i really think definition which is truly relating to or

involving members of two parties, these two parties have to work together, this is politically a win for both of them if they can compromise and get infrastructure done. >> harris: who wants to get what done? because both parties have passed bicameral majorities in recent years, do you really want to get stuff done when you have all the people in the same side? i don't know. some reporters covering the minneapolis area shooting in protest did not try to hide their personal feelings about the officer who fired her gun at daunte wright but is it the job of those reporters to give their opinions at the news conference? >> you are calling for the firing of this office. ♪ ♪ rates nearlowsord refiplus lets you refinance to save money every month. plus you could get an average of $50,000 cash. that's money for security today

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after youtube removed his panel discussion on the pandemic because it considered some comments to be misinformation. watch bates because some of our biggest media conglomerates who claim to be avatars of the first amendment and free exchange of ideas have really become cheerleaders for censorship. if something doesn't fit the overriding narrative, then in their view it's better that it get left on the cutting room floor, it's best that you added it out of existence rather than actually tell people the truth. so i think what we are really witnessing is orwellian, it's a big tech corporate media collusion and the end result is that the narrative is always right. >> harris: youtube responding "we removed this video because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of covid-19. we allow videos that otherwise violate our policies to remain

on the platform if they contain sufficient educational documentary, scientific, or artistic context. our policies apply to everyone and focus on content regardless of the speaker or a channel." is that clear, bret? >> bret: no, i think this is a big issue politically, i think democrats and republicans are going to be using at the next election, i think you're going to see more and more people talk about the specter of big tech, either controlling or dominating or making decisions about what you see and hear. here's the problem, if you start censoring stuff based on scientific data and the scientific data changes or evolves as we've seen the messaging from the cdc about various things kind of change over time, what happens to the original censorship? maybe you jumped too soon and maybe fauci and everybody else is talking about some thing different in a month and a half. it has changed in a couple

different circumstances and that's what makes the censorship argument or the blocking of different things based on that little suspect. >> harris: you know it, i want to stay with you for just a second because you mentioned dr. fauci and you know he's been doing cleanup on aisle seven for what he talked doublespeak en masse since the beginning. now he sang what i was saying all along, he didn't want to take the masks away from the actual professionals and hospitals that needed it, it wasn't that maybe they didn't work for the public. he could've just told us that but if that's a sort of thing that we get a flag on twitter, i'm just wondering, how consistent are we going to be? look, johnson & johnson now, if you are a proponent of that do you get flagged? the line is always moving. >> bret: right, you can do a couple different things right at the beginning we were wiping down our mail and our boxes and making sure that we scrubbed everything i was coming in and then they said, you know what? it's not there, don't worry about that, don't spend your

time on that. if you posted something about that questioning it and it was blocked you'd be right now. >> harris: a matter of dates, the facts are sometimes, amazing. emily, your thoughts? >> emily: interestingly i think part of the defense on their part is in matters of public health this is a sacred issue here that needs our utmost participation to protect it, the worst thing possible would be if someone was spreading misinformation and it resulted in illness or death. but i point to twitter which has recently locked out sports journalist jason whitlock for questioning the purchase of one of the blm founders online and here's something some of the twitter responses say they lock him out because he they say he violates the privacy policy and he said, well, i linked an article that doesn't provide the address of the homes that she purchased from its covered all over the rest of the press, we covered it on the show yesterday and he says that the problem

here is that blm has become a sacred cow and i'm calling out that, it's, you know, what he said, made of grifters. he's daring to question parts of the blm organization and that has rendered him locked out of twitter so we are seeing it in the form of social justice movements as well and as we talked about yesterday there are investigations being called for for that organization and if corruption, money mismanagement, any type of fraud will be discovered, guaranteed that will not be covered by the mainstream media and it will likely be blocked or suppressed by social media. >> harris: yeah, i'm going to get some of the woke crowd on twitter, we have the same discussion on the show because i said let's dip our tone to the hypocrisy this looks like and kayleigh, you and i talked about it, however she got that money, however she earned it, reinvested in a neighborhood and lift up those people of color around her, not telling her where to live but it was just a question. we got deep into it. we are on tv, i guess, maybe the

woke crowd only hang out on twitter. >> kayleigh: you are exactly right, they do hang out on twitter and you should have been able to talk about that story but if i might quickly point out about the youtube censorship, i think it's very important to talk about the content of what they took down, they took on a panel with governor desantis, dr. scott atlas and other doctors and experts pointing out the devastating effects of lockdowns, we know calls to suicide hotline's go up, that is a fact, that is science, we know cancer diagnosis is, this is quantifiable, when schools are closed, the devastating effect on children, cases of child abuse, that is what was taken down, a set of science, a set of facts that have quantifiable questioning of whether draconian lockdowns where appropriate, whether school should be closed, it's remarkable that if you don't profess the fauci doctrine you are censored all because you are pointing out the alternate

side of the point which is factual, which there are studies on and they will malign you as well, dr. scott atlas, totally maligned, i've never gotten so many press inquiries trying to malign an individual recently saying a mitzvah locked down, maybe this is doing more harm than good. >> harris: what do we know now? studies are showing that self-harm among 12-17-year-old children has gone up 334% during the pandemic. those are real lives, real numbers. leslie, we will get you next time. up next, why white house press secretary jen psaki is being accused of stereotyping white conservatives. ♪ ♪

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>> what we found to be most effective is to work with these local organizations, community health organizations, civic leaders and others, believe in communities, we are also looking forward, we run psa's on "the deadliest catch," we are working with nascar, we are looking for creative ways to get connected to white conservative communities. >> emily: the reaction was brutal. one twitter user says "we've got huge buyback on reruns" and others say "i am offended at the stereotyping." another person boasting this, i was wondering if the biden white house could be any more condescending. we can. that last one was my favorite of all of those. you spent so much time traveling throughout america, what did you learn about how that rampant condescension affects ordinary americans?

>> kayleigh: it's never a good idea to stereotype, let me say that. when you go to the white house podium you want all of your facts vetted, you also have a goal of not stereotyping half the country which is what happened there. i think a more artful way to have said this as a press secretary was trying to make the point that they are doing a vaccine confidence installation campaign to a wide variety of communities, which is blissed off the various places they are advertising, not necessarily saying "white evangelical christians, we've got you covered" and list of things that not all white evangelical christians like. i don't think she meant any harm by it, but i think not stereotyping half the country should be a big goal when you go to the podium. >> emily: that is in part why you are outstanding at your job. leslie, this also comes on the heels of, for example, mainstream media anchors and reporters making fun of those who go to applebee's or who have

certain accents, that condescension is really real and a lot of people feel it with an acceptable social culture and now they are seeing it from the white house press briefing podium. >> leslie: quite frankly, this has been going on for a long time and i am a yankee from boston, ladies and gentlemen so i know this well. when bill clinton ran for office and he had that, you know, arkansas twang, people were shocked to see that he was a rhodes scholar and his iq was so high and that's why it's a very negative stereotype that i think still exist in certain parts of this country. but let's look at facts and reality, jen psaki's statement was great until she talked about deadliest catch and other programs and the reason is if you look at the demographics, which i did today, i know, jan, country music and nascar, the majority of country music fans and nascar fans, make over $50,000 a year, they are, the majority of the south, majority

white, hispanics are hugely growing as fans of nascar and you do have people in the north, boston where i am from a that are huge country music fans. the old stereotypes, are just not accurate when you look at the demographics. >> emily: leslie, we all love statistics, we all loved their research, we are right there with you. >> bret: , what are your thoughts on this? >> bret: listen, i think there's an effort to get as many vaccinations as possible, she just stepped in a little bit as far as those specific shows, i will stand up for "deadliest catch," i watch the golf channel, i am a nascar fan, it would be funny if kayleigh mcenany said, we decided to advertise on "will & grace" and put flyers and whole foods, how much grief would she get about reaching out to a liberal audience? i think, you know, it's just a matter of trying to get as many

vaccinations as possible. >> harris: did you say you watched golf channel? because i was watching it and i saw you on it, i thought. >> bret: i watch it. [laughter] >> emily: bret is a celebrity in multiple arenas and we love it. i think part of the pushback is that every american, no one likes to be put in a box and it seems that many people continue to try to shove everyone into singular boxes and that never feels good. all right, we are awaiting a press conference in brooklyn center minnesota on the shooting of daunte wright that we will bring to you soon as it begins, stay with us. ♪ ♪

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>> minnesota braces for another possible night of unrest in the wake of the daunte wright killing. questions being asked about why the brooklyn center city manager was fired for simply stating city guidelines. we got it all covered. the fda puts a hold on the new johnson & johnson covid vaccine. what you people do who got the vaccine? dr. marc siegel has news you can use today and a prominent black sports journalist locked out of

twitter for criticizing blm leaders. our panel weighs in. john roberts, joined me in sandra smith at the top of the hour for america reports. >> emily: thanks, john. we are awaiting a press conference in brooklyn center, minnesota on the shooting of daunte wright. they ask all media attending to show credentials paid yesterday's breathing, there were reporters and community activist and this is what it sounded like. >> the determination of this type of officer, what message are we sending here in brooklyn center to the rest of the world? >> we are standing in solidarity, we have talked about our due process. although daunte wright did not get due process. they need to be fired immediately to send a message that this type of behavior was inappropriate, killing daunte wright under those circumstances circumstances. you are working harder to protect a cop than a victim of police murder.

>> emily: and that there was a city manager that has now been terminated. i'm going to start with the journalist on the panel here, bret, what are your thoughts on this? >> bret: listen, it's an emotional time and for the reporters who live and work there it's emotional about the job of a journalist is to take the emotion out of it, to call balls and strikes and ask tough but fair questions and try to represent both sides of every issue. that's not what happened in that questioning and actually that questioning, emily, led to that city manager going down this path of answering and saying there will be due process for the officer. that answer got the mayor very upset and he fired the city manager. so i think it's a matter of taking the emotion out. >> emily: and i actually thought at the time that he did a really fantastic job of being an active listener and acknowledging and honoring the comments that the activists were putting forth while also sticking to that procedure and

his comments. so it's unfortunate on so many levels that he is now terminated and harassed, we talk about the specificity of language and the chief of police there got into it from activists calling him out for calling it a riot after he details the weapon and injuries that officers were sustained there, those activists insisted on calling it a peaceful protest. >> harris: you know what? we are going to have to get into that in a moment, breaking news right now, we want to get to, the white house is holding a press briefing right now and we do want to listen in. and that is not it. there it is. >> the pfizer and modernity each and every week, in fact this week, we will make available 28 million doses of these two vaccines. and as we've done since we took office, we will continue to get the supply out the door as soon as it's available. so we have more than enough supply of b12 and modernity vaccines to continue the current

pace of about 3 million shots per day and that puts us well on pace to meet the president's goal of 200 million shots by his hundredth day in office. and continue to reach every adult who wants to get vaccinated. we are now working with our state and federal partners to get anyone scheduled for a j&j vaccine quickly rescheduled for a pfizer or moderna vaccine. we are actually already seeing this happen today at sites across the country where d7 appointments are being adjusted that were for today to actually get moderna and pfizer today so that's happening in many places across the country. the president has committed to the american people that his administration will always lead with science, tell the truth,

and give americans the facts as we know them. cdc and fda continue to do just that and provide regular updates to the public and they will do so as they continue their investigation. with that, let me defer to dr. fauci and then we will take questions. >> thank you very much, to follow-up and maybe fill in a couple points from what jeff said and what our colleagues in the fda and the cdc said. a couple issues have come up of the importance of calling this pause. people say what does it mean? it allows the fda and the cdc to further investigate these cases

to try and understand some of the mechanisms of what it is, want details about the history of the individuals who are involved and might shed some light on looking forward, what will happen and what will do. that's the first thing. the other thing is to make physicians out there aware of this. there are some clinical implications of that but i believe are important. for example, if someone comes in with this really rather rare syndrome of thrombosis. when you have thrown posies, the most common way to treat it is with heparin. that would be a mistake in this situation because it could be dangerous and make the situation much worse. it's a clinically relevant reason why you want to make this known to people. also when individuals, particularly younger women who might come in to a physician with a particular thrombotic

phenomenon. things that happen for other reasons all the time, we want to alert physicians to take a history of a recent vaccination. that would be important. the pause not only allows us to take a look at the cases and learn more but it's also a signal out there to help the physicians. a common question and i'm sure we'll have a number of questions which jeff and i will be happy to answer to you. one of the questions that comes up already rather frequently, does this have anything to do with the efficacy of the vaccine? we know that there have been 6.58 million doses of j&j distributed in the united states thus far. maybe someone who had it a month or two ago, what does it mean for make? it doesn't mean anything. you're okay. if you look at the time frame when it occurs, it is pretty

tight from six to 13 days from the time of the vaccination. the next question is one that we are all obviously aware of, what impact is this going to have about people's attitudes about vaccines in general? you might know that there have been 120 million people that have received at least one dose of a vaccine. most of that, subtract the 6.85 million, it's in the messenger rna from pfizer and from moderna, no red flag signals from those. you're talking about tens and tens and tens of billions of people who received vaccine with no adverse effect. it's a really rare event. if you look at what we know so far. there have been six out of the 6.85 million doses which is less than one in a million. so remember, this is something

that we always come out of an abundance of caution, as jeff said, to give us a time to take a good look at it and see if we can get further information. so i'll stop there, jeff, and we can obviously take some questions. >> you have described it as a really rare event but it does seem like a pretty drastic step. do you believe the science has sufficiently weighed the benefits of this pause against the damage or risk it could do to the broader effort and the effect it could have on vaccine hesitancy? >> dr. fauci. i want to say we have plenty of supplies. so i mentioned that for the last several weeks we've been sending 25 million doses out. while we are averaging 3 million shots in arms per day, the 25 million supports that level and even accelerating. we just sent out 20 million

doses today. 28 million doses will be sent this week to the states, tribes, territories and federal channels. we have plenty of supplies to continue our vaccination program and reach our goals. >> i believe your question is do we pull the trigger too soon on this because it was such a rare event? our fda is internationally known for their capability of making sure that we have the safest products out there. that's what i meant when i said an abundance of caution. you want to make sure that safety is the important issue here. we are totally aware that this is a very rare event. we want to get this worked out as quickly as we possibly can. that's why you see the word pause. in other words, we want to hold off for a bit and we very well may go back to that. maybe with conditions or maybe not. we want to leave it up to the fda and cdc. i don't think it was pulling the

trigger too quickly. >> the advisory committee meeting tomorrow to discuss it. why not try to meet today. is it not a moment to drop everything and focus on this? >> i think you have to get people pulled together. i think tomorrow is not such a long wait. i'm sure they want to get everybody. people who are not available. they want to get the full component. >> can you talk a little bit about the process and the pause and what comes next? to the white house have any advanced notice with the issues in the j&j vaccine. was there a moment in the white house in deciding this? how do you evaluate when to pause vaccines? are we going to see more pauses as more issues crop up? >> the first part of the second part. >> this decision was made by the cdc and the fda. that's one of the things that i think is such a good thing about our system here is that we are

ruled by the science, not by any other considerations. the decision was really thoroughly made by the cdc and the fda. >> we were notified last night that there would be an announcement this morning. therefore had no other involvement other than knowing last night that there would be an announcement this morning. >> in this review, what's going to happen? what are they looking for? what are they evaluating? when should we expect conclusions? >> they want to see if there's any clues of other things going on. for example, hypothetically, if they're going to make a decision to go forward and say we looked at it. if they find some common denominators among the women who were involved that might be synergizing an essentially enabling this type of an adverse event, they may know that for those who don't have that, it may be much safer.

there may be clues when you go down and you really get granular about every single case. in addition they want to look at some of the mechanisms. the mechanisms may give some insight as to what is going on. >> do we expect to potentially see pauses in the future? could this keep happening with the vaccine because they are so new? >> take a look at what has gone on with the moderna and pfizer. there have been no red flags. it's watched carefully. when you have a red flag of something that is a serious as thrombotic thrombocytopenia, particularly when you have an individual, one of whom died, you take it seriously. i don't think minimal things that very likely have nothing at all to do with the vaccine that we are going to pull the trigger so quickly as to keep stopping and stopping and stopping. i think this is an unusual occurrence of a serious adverse

event that you want to make sure, before you go forward, you investigated thoroughly. that's exactly what they are doing. they are pausing so they can look at it more carefully. >> thank you. a couple for dr. fauci. given that the impact vaccinations were women between the ages of 18 and 48, should women under 50 be excluded from getting the j&j vaccine? >> the question you're asking gets back to several of the questions here. that's the reason why the cdc and the fda want to take a look at this and say, are there some categories now where people outside of that category's don't have any of the factors? would it be okay to go on? it is entirely conceivable, making no predictions, that there may be some restriction in an age group. we don't know that now. that's the reason why they're working very hard to answer the question you're asking. >>