one of the best debaters i know, kat timpf. good to see you on the program today, thank you for watching "the faulkner focus." "outnumbered" starts right now. >> emily: the u.s. intelligence committee backing off reports that russia put bounties on the heads of u.s. troops, down downplaying at one point was a senior election story. our intel agencies have low to moderate confidence in the reports meeting the story is at best unproven and possibly untrue. but last year president biden, democrats and the media often cited the reports to attack former president trump with some even crying treason. this is "outnumbered," i'm emily compagno. here today, my cohosts harris faulkner and kayleigh mcenany, morgan ortagus and joining us today in the center seat, jason chaffetz, former utah congressman and a fox news contributor.

when this story first made headlines last year it prompted a wave of criticism against nonpresident trump and even though the reports were unproven, the white house press corps did not hold back on our own kayleigh mcenany at the lectern. she told "the new york times" that their story was wrong and that she was hammered for it. watching and kayleigh, we will get your perspective on the other side. you go out of the loop by the intelligence community? >> as i noted there was not a consensus among the intelligence community. >> what is the president have to say to service members that are afraid that their loved ones may have been killed and connection to the bounty. >> to the president or the administration plan to make it very clear to the russian federation that there should not be bounties placed on the heads of american soldiers serving in afghanistan? >> to the president raise the issues on russian bounties on the lives of americans?

speak of the reports of russian bounties on american military forces and yet the white house has done nothing to push back, what is the delay? >> emily: kayleigh, your perspective? >> kayleigh: i was asked dozens and dozens of questions about the russia bounty, akash and reported on the first of the story came out and said look, do not be so quick to buy the story, this information is unverified, there are dissenting opinions in the intelligence community, do not run with this narrative, it's simply not true and not the case but not only did they run with it, it is remarkable if you take a walk through memory lane at "the new york times" convincing military families who had their loved ones killed in action that in fact russia bounties were probably to blame and not only that but their commander-in-chief, president donald trump simply didn't care. it was a heinous allegation, they ran with it, cnn dropped the word "alleged" from their

reporting, "the washington post" said they had verified the reporting and went on to give president trump, it was amazing, it was a story that, a narrative that set in in the summer and one that took hold and was so heinous of the heart of it that the commander in chief would not care about the united states military men and women in the line of battle, it was egregious egregious. >> emily: morgan, what exactly does moderate or low confidence mean and tell us about the risk that these kinds of leaks posed to the intelligence community. >> morgan: yeah, kayleigh and i were working at this at the same time and this was incredible he frustrated because first, when you talk about low to moderate confidence is important to know that the intelligence community has not changed their assessment on this recording, it's been reported and open sourced in news articles that this was knot and an analytic finished product of

the intel community, this is a debunked rumor, the writers, the authors of "the new york times" who wrote on this right on intelligence matters, they were explained behind the scenes dod, you can go through the list, every senior defense official that we had, robert o'brien gave a briefing on this and the real problem here is that you had a single individual take a piece of raw intelligence, leak it to the media and the media ran with it because it was a narrative based on what they thought about president trump. earlier this morning, they tried to go to president trump and the military into a conflict with russia over a debunked rumor. this was incredibly irresponsible, incredibly frustrating at the time. and the democrats ran with it, many democrats really knew much better because they had dealt with intelligence issues for a long time.

>> emily: jason you are chairman of the house subcommittee on national security so share with us your perspective from the political perspective while you had colleagues that were calling this at the time and outrage, treason and worse during that situation when the intel was quite clear to them on that side. >> i think what's the most outrageous and added to a very, very long list is congressman schiff and congressman swalwell, they will come out in front of the cameras, and be able to say, we've seen classified information the rest of you haven't had and they threw gasoline on this fire and cap telling people it was true, that it was worse, that it was treasonous and it was all political theater and it was the first time they did this, they didn't just get it wrong, it wasn't a mistake, it was a calculated political ploy and why these two still sit on the

house intel committee is fundamentally wrong and shame on nancy pelosi for continuing to appoint them because they use this as a political bludgeoning tool and for kayleigh and morgan and robert o'brien and all the people that were there looking at the actual intelligence, i'm sure the apologies and the corrections will just come flowing in today. >> emily: this was part of a campaign tactic and a narrative pushed by for example then having candidate biden about trump's failure to admonish russia, his failure to be brief, they ran with this really far during the campaign. >> jason: they did and it was a narrative that they started even before donald trump became president, they ran with it for four years and it's absolutely not true. all the fiction and the hoax about donald trump and russia, they never came up with anything and they continue to use it and now we get to the four years of donald trump and there isn't a single bit of evidence.

donald trump was tougher on russia than we are seeing president biden is and certainly president obama so you want to see who is being soft on russia right now, it's joe biden. russia is amassing troops on the ukrainian border and you barely heard a peep out of this president. >> morgan: can i back him up -- i'm sorry. >> emily: morgan, please. >> morgan: i would is just going to say that this type of things have global ramifications, the congressman's absolutely right, there's global ramifications whenever we run with bad intelligence and presented to the world as facts. enemy later have to backpedal in all of this and one of the reasons why kayleigh and i and the dod were pushing back on this so much is because there are plenty of things the russians do that are egregious and wrong. amassing troops at the ukrainian border as jason just talked about and whenever you start blaming the russians for debunked rumors or bad

intelligence or raw intelligence, it loses the veracity and our ability to hold russia accountable for the many things that they do that are quite egregious. so that's why it's so dangerous, it undermines what russia is actually guilty for and undermines our ability to hold them accountable. >> emily: we see that same sort of thing, harris, in terms -- >> harris: i just wanted to jump in a little bit here because senator cotton who joined me last hour was saying that there are some real, tangible ways that we can look at how now joe biden is handling russia, the pipeline, jason, i will come back to you on this point, to fill in the blanks on some of the things we are watching. if the media were really doing its job would be looking at those items and saying, okay, you're not watching what's going on there, you're not watching the troops amassing, what you're doing is watching an old narrative that now has been debunked. by the way, why wasn't it debunked when some on capitol hill like senator cotton took a look at it and said

there's no there there. that's why it's it's in that low to moderate confidence category of intelligence. why were into questions versioning then? then we saw this perpetual, with kayleigh at the lectern, we got you today, and >> kayleigh: , your response will be, let me show you how you didn't. you know? and it was just -- what was i came about? now we really are in a capitulated position with a country that means us harm. >> kayleigh: if i can just say, there are ramifications to this, let's be very clear what's at stake there, i read statements to the press from the cia, from the department of national intelligence, the national security council saying what you are doing is so damaging to our ability to collect intelligence, no ally is going to want to share intelligence that is leached to "the new york times," obama

doubt with on average 33 referrals of criminal leaks. president trump was dealing with 100 on average every year, referrals to doj, this is damaging, there are consequences for american lives, american troops when the press runs with a narrative and we don't get the intelligence we need to protect our men and women abroad and protect our men and women at home. >> emily: morgan, i'd like to give you the next word as well -- >> jason: the problem is -- go ahead, jason. >> jason: it was an election year and they were trying to continue to discredit the president, they tried and tried and tried again and the traditional media just ran with it and meanwhile you have a very responsible general mckenzie who's in charge of the united states central command telling us he hasn't seen the information so somebody needs to be held accountable and for me again, i go back to congressman congressmanswalwell and congres.

they had the responsibility and they should be held accountable for spewing classified information that was not true and doing it for purely political reasons. >> emily: morgan, i believe i was standing -- go ahead, please. >> morgan: i was just going to say, speaking of accountability, i'd like to see some account ability to "the new york times" and "the washington post," reporters in washington who understand intelligence and understand that this was raw and unverified intelligence and still ran with it anyway, i'd like to see some accountability there and furthermore, these questions about why wasn't this being briefed to president trump? you have to understand that when the president gets his daily brief as kayleigh and others no, the layers of the intelligence community, it's analyzed, you don't... you rarely present raw intelligence to the president. there are so many things that were wrong with the story, if

you reported every rumor to the president you could spend all day with the president giving them rumors around the world, that's not how intelligence reporting works. so layer after layer, the president was being questioned about, why weren't you brief, then? this was something that would never arise to his level. until it's gone through her full assessment. the story is bad and there needs to be some account ability not only in congress but the media reported. for political purposes throughout the campaign season. >> harris: senator cotton says that biden owes trump an apology. >> kayleigh: 100%. >> emily: we will have to leave it there. we can certainly talk about this all hour, all day, your perspectives are so valuable. more censorship by big tax, why facebook is blocking users from sharing a "new york post" report on some purchases made by the cofounder of black lives matter. plus, congressman jim jordan challenges dr. anthony fauci on

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you try try sharing the article on their personal facebook page or through the messenger app. meanwhile james o'keefe says he plans to sue twitter for defamation after that platform permanently suspended him for allegedly using fake accounts. all right, kayleigh, let's just start with the quieting of voices undermined everybody of this section 230, important to mention here because it gives them certain protections that they wouldn't normally get it if it were an actual free platform but it's not. >> kayleigh: it's a very important statute, won the trump administration if you can have a do-over i would say a big mistake not going after this from the get-go, it gives these companies protection from liability and it essentially came about as ago to give them an opportunity to grow so they wouldn't be hamstrung by lawsuits but it's gotten to a

point where there needs to be some accountability here because big tech chooses who they want to protect, blm or cnn and they choose who they want to target and it's always conservatives. the hunter biden story, what an egregious moment for a big tech not allowing "the new york post" to publish that story, hunter has basically admitted that was his laptop but they censor "the new york post," took me has a president's spokesperson off twitter for sharing that story and said 13% of biden's voters wouldn't have voted for him and that would have been enough to swing an election. they are impacting public policy and an election which is terrible. to be when i would have to think, morgan, they are also affecting the bottom line to some degree, if people feel that they are going to be quieted, doesn't matter what your political views are, men, women, children, whomever you might be on there, teenagers sometimes trying to get the message out on

the football game on friday night, no matter what's going on, wouldn't you see targeting, it can be targeting for any reason, it just opens the door to that. >> morgan: last night i was on with bret baier and right before, according to his campaign they contacted and said that during the middle that their campaign account had been suspended on twitter for no reason. of course everyone knows when you are announcing for a campaign you're going to want as many people as possible to like your campaign account. that's just one example, i said, he's a very big tech investor and why is this happening, don't they realize, if you look at this euro and zero to 100 they are so far to the left that anyg

that is like a 50 or even 40, ty right of center seems extreme to them, because their view is so biased in their view of the world is so warped compared to what the average american feels and finally i would just say, if we are going to start going after "fake accounts," i'd really like twitter and facebook to start with the iranians and chinese and others who operate as we pointed out at the state department thousands if not millions of baht to accounts around the world who spread this information every day, they spew racism against natives of israel and other ethnic minorities in china, twitter and facebook, are making minimal effort. >> harris: i want to get to this, facebook's oversight forum

provides an update, the oversight board said it will announce its decision on the case concerning the former u.s. president's indefinite suspension. receiving 9,000 plus responses. >> if you want to expand the court, put some conservatives on there, far, far to the left, i don't think that actually, section 230 is the problem, it lessens the liability, they can provide the platform. anybody can go out there, where you can attack them legally are the trade issues, i think they are engaging in deceptive trade practices, when they tell you you can communicate with people you really can't.

they are lying to the public and people need to start suing them. they are denying people the ability to communicate but that's what they are selling, you trade your personal information for the ability to communicate, then they don't let you communicate. you should be sued for that. be when all right, good discussion, we will move on. the crisis at our southern border has taken a hard toll on my grandchildren. as we see shocking videos of smugglers tossing kids over the border wall. and republicans call on vice president kamala harris to step up, mocking her with this milk carton label, missing. the white house downplaying her role in fixing the crisis. what is she doing? >> republicans over the past few days have been quite critical of the vice president. >> they need more to do, i

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speak of this confusion is very perplexing to me, i have to be honest, the current president who was vice president ran point on the northern triangle when he was vice president and that's obviously a role that is focused on diplomacy and the vice president has had a number of those conversations and a discussion about what steps can be taken sets the role that the vice president displaying come of that is certainly a significant role. it is not a one woman, one woman job, multi-high-level official job. >> harris: hearing there from white house press secretary jen saki downplaying vice president kamala harris' role dealing with the root causes of the migrant crisis as republicans are criticizing the vice president's absence from the border. also saying g.o.p. lawmakers should do more to help solve the problem.

the vice president herself has said the crisis won't be fixed overnight as we see the toll on my grandchildren just yesterday. we saw another video of smugglers tossing a child over the mexico border and that wasn't the first time. earlier this month smugglers dropped two young girls over a border wall and left them to fend for themselves. we should mention on the 2-year-old, an adult caught that little one on the other side, we believed to be her father. and now reports are suggesting some parents are struggling to reunite with their children in u.s. custody. jason? as you look at this, it's happening just like what the transition team was telling biden's transition team, the one i was leaving was on the one coming in, it's going to get bad if you wipe away these policies. >> jason: this is both

infuriating and just bad, we are talking about human trafficking of children and what i see the biden-harris administration doing is they've opened up the gates, provided the rewards and incentives to flow north and to come to the border, catch and release and you can just go about your way and be in the united states and get a job and live the american dream, they are selling this town they are. they did during the campaign and hundreds of thousands of people have responded. it's entirely preventable. i think the criticism of vice president harris is very warranted. if she is going to be leading this charge, why hasn't she even visited the border? why didn't she get on an airplane immediately and go down to the northern triangle area, why didn't she go visit with the president of mexico? what has she done? i can't name anything that she's done and human trafficking, such as the word, these women are being raped, they are being used and it really is sad. i've been down there many times and it's totally preventable.

>> harris: look, i mean, when the vice president has been asked about this in recent days she said she is going to go and meet leaders like those in guatemala, she's going to do these things, there's just no timetable and i don't understand, morgan, how we got to be on such a slow role here, these are lives at stake that we all care about, this country was built on legal immigration and at the same time we care about these little ones who sometimes are being left behind, right? if they can't keep up with the pack, we had the former governor of new mexico tell us that, they will just leave the kids behind. our democrats disingenuous when they say that they care about these human beings? why not solve the problem and send your vp down there so she can look them in the eyes when the questions come, why are you doing this? she will have an answer, i would think, right? >> morgan: it's a political hot potato, it's a mess.

they wanted to undo everything president trump did at the border, they were made in mexico policy, the asylum cooperation agreements with the northern tribal countries are talked about on your show, the plan was let's undo everything that is trumped because it has a scarlet t on a hit but let's not have any policies and procedures in place for what's going to happen. do i think that they are disingenuous? no, i think they genuinely care about these kids but they are just so misguided in the policy and now they realize that it's a disaster of epic proportion from a political perspective so if i was on kamala harris' team i would tell her to stay away from this as well, it's a political disaster because they clearly had no plan. it ended everything in these innocent children are the people who are suffering, the ones suffering, get into the

united states, if you are starving, of course you're going to try to get out of that. >> kayleigh: kamala harris during the trump administration said that that trump was engaging in human rights violations on the border. let me share with the current vice president, the so-called human rights violation going on at the border on her watch. who are not able to locate their kids in the hhs facilities, i read a heartbreaking story of one mom from venezuela, her 6-year-old boy crosses the border with her stepfather and her grandmother, the way it separated from his parents at the border, separation under the biden watch it. the mom called three times a day, could not find her son, ultimately she's contacted and said, your son is refusing to

eat and drink water and he's in a foster care facility. that's happening on the border. if you care, go to those facilities, you should care about them now when it's your watch. >> harris: emily, you will take it away next, get to the break now, progressive priorities are at the forefront, as democrats use president biden's first 100 days in office to push radical changes like the u.s. supreme court, reparations and pushing for the filibustered and. what happened to all that talk of unity? come on, man. ♪ ♪ have the right financial professional show you how... this is what an annuity can do. stay restless with the icon that does the same.

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ask every american to join me in this cause. [applause] >> emily: president biden promised to reach across the aisle but as he approaches his first 100 days in office it looks like he's putting the wishes of progressives at the front of the line. he introduced several radical initiatives that took a do not go against the return to normalcy campaign including packing the supreme court, reparations and federalizing elections. democrats are also pushing to grant d.c. statehood and want to get rid of the electoral college. jason, this is in addition, of course, to absolutely everything in infrastructure including climate change. your thoughts? >> jason: i think joe biden and kamala harris are appeasing the left, the liberals and the democrats but failing america. he tried to say it in the first few minutes of his presidency was that he was going to work to unite the country, can you name a single thing where he has

actually done something to unite and bring the country together? i can't think of a single thing that he is done because what he campaigned on and what he's done in the first nearly 100 days are two totally separate things. if you told the american people that i was going to be your agenda for the first 100 days they would not have voted for him and i think those people in the middle feel that they got ripped off and lied to because what he's doing is not what he said he was going to do. >> emily: yesterday we had such a great conversation after listening to the press conference surrounding the introduction of the court packing bill, essentially and we talked about how that could be an indicator, a red flag as harris put it into what is next, all of these things are interrelated and they all have a seriously degrading potential impact on this country. >> kayleigh: changing america as an institution from a moderate, a uniter, someone who said we will work together, the

answer is destroy one of americans cherished and most trusted branches of government, let's change it and remake it and the true intent of packing the supreme court, what he is doing is exactly what bernie sanders predicted, bernie sanders in november said he believes that joe biden could be the most progressive president of our lifetime, i think that's the case and just to borrow a headline from dave anderson over at the baltimore sun, he said, forget fdr and lbj, meet jr be, the most progressive president, he's meeting with the historians to try to accomplish that. >> emily: my family, bear with me on this, guys, came from sicily, they immigrated fleeing starvation and corruption and he phrased a crisis singly, about after the italian government unified italy, the italian government managed to accomplish in 20 years what centuries of invaders of sicily, the vandals

had not succeeded in doing which was ruminating the island and bringing it to a state of despair. morgan, the argument as it doesn't take very long to ruin our country. >> morgan: listen, this election was by no means a mandate, especially when you look at the margins of the house and senate, the senate is as close as could possibly be and the house, the republicans almost accidentally took back over the house. these are incredibly thin margins and when you look at the congressional election and talk to pollsters, the reason republicans did so well is because in areas where they were running against the agenda that president biden and most liberal democrats are putting forth is where republicans did well. so in a strange sense it sort of bodes well for republicans for 2022 because they are going to be able to now have proof of what they can run on with

policies that the democrats are pursuing and i think they are in a rush because they probably know they may lose the senate, they may lose the house so if you have a mandate in your mind and you think you are doing with the american people want you to do, why are you in such a rush to do it in the first year? probably because you know you're going to be out of power and not be able to push this through in a few years, i certainly hope not. >> emily: harris, the election in 2022 is right around the corner but the ramifications and consequences for what is already happened will last, potentially generations, those hundreds of thousands of migrant children being terrorized on the border during their trek to the southern border, there are lifelong consequences regardless of the ship gets turned around into coyears or one year. >> harris: it was clear that the american people wanted republicans and democrats to work together, in places where the president lost like georgia look at what you had happen, you

know? you had runoffs and those were tight, tight races and in the end democrats came up on top but there was a lot of discussion about what do people really want in their government? and in other areas, the republican governors across country, i mean, you really do have people from every ilk in terms of politics. but the far left, the far left just isn't getting enough food, i suppose. remember that walk outside the capital, congresswoman ignacio cortez said we are going to push joe biden. the nation wants you to work together, she is interested in pushing joe biden and you know what? it looks like he's getting pushed. >> emily: i don't speak for all americans but i do speak for myself and my number one priority would be for these legislators to listen and i hope that these far leftist elected leaders start doing that. just ahead, fireworks at a

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>> we are waiting to the arrival of the japanese prime minister. plus, karl rove on the democrat 'has planned to expand the supreme court and jim jordan reacts to the fiery exchange with dr. fauci yesterday. coming up, live from new york and d.c., joined john and me, top of the hour as "america reports." >> harris: and you know what, let's just take a look at that jim jordan thing, shall be? the congressman had had enough, sparks were flying at a congressional hearing when the ohio republican and dr. anthony fauci went at it over the pandemic and when life can actually get back to normal. >> what has to happen before americans get more freedoms? >> i look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from dying and going to the hospital. >> you don't think americans liberties have been threatened the last year? they have been assaulted, their

liberties have. >> i don't look at this as a liberty thing. >> tell me the number. tell me the number. >> harris: jason? >> jason: those are the hearings that i miss. i love it, i love what jim jordan does because you ask a very simple question and they can't answer it. for jim jordan to ask "what is the metric by which we can get our lives back?" and he could not answer it. i don't trust dr. fauci and i think he should've left the scene a long time ago. >> harris: tell us if you're running again. i am thinking maybe governor. morgan? >> morgan: listen, i have said this publicly and i say this often when i'm on television, i think the vaccine, the vaccines that are here today are because of operation warp speed, this is from the trump administration, basically every vaccine that's been made so far happened

because of the enormous partnership and the ability to strip away a lot of the regulations to get the vaccine so i got the vaccine and i encourage everyone to get the vaccine. the problem is that when you communicate with the american people and tell them you're still going to have to wear a mask and do all these other things, the messaging is a little confusing and that's why i think that jim jordan is right, why should we get the vaccine, what are the metrics, when do we get back to normal? i understand when there to why there was confusion but what i just want to encourage every american who knows, all of these vaccines are developed under the trump administration. >> harris: that's part of the communication they haven't been able to spit out. kayleigh? >> kayleigh: harris, if i could jump in here, what a remarkable statement from dr. fauci saying "i don't view

this as a liberty thing?" , telling people they can't leave their house is a liberty thing, saying you have a curfew is a liberty thing. saying you can't go to church as a liberty thing, the biden administration, they say, look, we are not going to let, we have no business communicating on what the sciences or challenging the science made as my colleague steve miller said, we elect a civilian government for a reason, we absolutely should ask questions like jim jordan. >> harris: all we really wanted was dr. fauci, we don't need them to run for office. 3 feet, 6 feet, back to 3 feet for kids in school, we understand it's going to vacillate but just be the doctor and nothing else. quick last thought? >> emily: of physician views everything through the eyes of a physician, i personally place all of the blame on our elected leaders whose role it is to govern, whose role it is to balance all of the evaluation and to balance our perspective

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presented his girlfriend with not one but five diamond rings to choose from. william hunt popped the question to his girlfriend, now fiance, brittany miller after a helicopter ride according to their social media accounts. he also had on-time a diamond tester to ensure the quality of each of those diamonds. he is setting the bar high for men around the world. >> this is a very smart man. take note if you are wanting to propose because he took it a step further. this guy was not only neil lane but he was the fiance saying pick a ring, and by the way, will you marry me? very well done, smart man. take note. >> wait. what do you mean no? this marriage is off to a very good start, it's obvious. >> they really are beautiful.

they are like couples goals in all the ways. so why are you protesting here? >> this is not going to last. i come to this discussion with credibility, having celebrated my 30th wedding anniversary. keep the expectations low end and exceed them. you have totally blown it right out of the gate and i feel for this guy because they are a beautiful couple, she's gorgeous, but don't blow it. set the expectations low and then exceed them. >> congratulations to you and your beautiful wife. my husband and i celebrated our 18th on monday of this week and so we are saying that we just now played our first full round of golf in our marriage. so i kind of took a different attitude towards this. i just wondered what he could make up his mind and presented to her with all his heart

knowing that it was enough. did he pick the wrong woman? i'm just asking. >> yes. >> that's a sweet way to look at it. morgan, jason, kaylee n harris, thank you all so much. we wish you a shiny, sparkly weekend. now here is "america reports." >> sandra: fox news alert at the top of the hour on the far left push to expand the supreme court. the progressive democratic congressman montero jones, part of that announcement yesterday, it is now calling on justice breyer to retire from the high court. the first lawmaker to publicly do so. we will have more on this in just a moment with karl rove. and another fox news alert, this time out of indianapolis where investigators say it's still too soon to speculate on why a man shot and killed eight people at a fedex facility there before he apparently turned the gun on himself.