>> japanese boy? did we forget the name? that's all the time we have tonight. set your dvr at 10:00 p.m. eastern so you never miss an episode of "the ingraham angle." greg gutfeld takes it from here. >> i haven't said the last president's name in five months. why would i? rick scott gave him the champion of freedom award. it's an award that stretches back to three days ago because they made it up just to soothe the ego of king baby coward. look how tiny the trophy is. i believe that's the saucer that they used to serve rick scott his breakfast mouth. >> greg: stephen, in case you haven't heard, donald trump is gone and we have a new president now for you to make fun of. her name is kamala harris. [applause]

>> greg: as the chaos continues over a tragic shooting, we finally heard from the people that really matter most. noted criminalologist and social scientist, ben and jerry's. they tweeted the murder of duante wright is rooted in white supremacy and results from the intentional criminalization of black and brown communities. the system can't be reformed. must be dismantled and a real system of public safety rebuilt from the ground up, #defundthepolice. the silence from hagan dias is deafening. so mr. wright was killed because of bigotry. despite evidence it was a terrible error by the police

officer. but from there you conclude that the system must be destroyed. that is leftism in a nutshell. the whole thing has to go. we have no clue what to do next. the combination of woke catch phrasing is so bad it's giving me an ice cream headache. now i'm waiting for baskin and robins to announce their new flavors. ben and jerry's get a pass every time they shoot their mouths off that they know something about. never mind that they're based in vermont, a state so white. who is worse for the world? law enforcement or ice cream? eating lots of ice cream, you'll be at a higher risk of diseases from diabetes and cancer. one of the biggest risk factors for severe case of covid is obesity. maybe ben and jerry's should come with a mask.

2.8 million people each year die from overweight. sorry it's not cops making them fat. ben and jerry's ice cream hit the store shelf in the mid to late 70s. obesity has tripled. that is when airlines introduced the seat belt extender for larger passengers. a coincidence, i'm sure. but so is smoking and getting lung disease or dating pete davidson and getting everything. now, i'm not saying ben and jerry's caused the fat pandemic public health experts cause them the menendez brothers of obesity. so this all beg as bottom line on lethality. tens of millions of traffic stops are made a year. among them, a few dozen involve the death of an unarmed suspect. compare that to three million dead due to obesity. according to statistics.com in

2019, 40% of all black adults were designated as obese. not hard to see a product that packs more fat than chris christie's swim trunks. should they develop flavors that are more honest about their contribution to society? like say strawberry coronary. or triple bypass fudge. or blueberry eulogy. or banana split aorta. that sounds good. finally, let's compare two vocations. making ice cream and law enforcement. to protect and serve versus to protect soft serve. in one arena, you make everything everyone loves but it's bad for your health. in the other, something that so many elites hate but keeps them safe from hard. don't you think people with the easy job of making people fat

might want to understand the professions that are morris i can than theirs? if your biggest names are brain freeze and muffin top, how about those that got shot at for a living and not with cool whip? let us welcome tonight's guests. she's more southern than a chicken fried pickup trump. anchor dagen mcdowell. he's too smart to have hair that gorgeous. robby suave. and imagine what he wears when he's not on tv. he saved thousands of people sometimes with his jokes. writer, median, michael loftus.

finally, she's like botox. toxic, in your face and has a lot of fans over 50. kat timpf. dagen, welcome to the program. always a pleasure to see you. >> i'm nervous. >> greg: don't be nervous. >> slop sweat coming. >> greg: let's say a ben and jerry's was robbed. should their employees call the police or would they be worried it would upset the owners of the business? that's what you call a brain twister. >> yes. they should -- [laughter] well, i will -- so i lived in new york city, which you know. we live not very far from each other. >> sometimes i look in your window. >> i see you! the epicenter of the anti-crime movement, the "new york post" calls it. it's the no bail for you if you get arrested, get out of jail

free, good luck getting to work without getting punched in the face by some lunatic. that land. so if i cross the street to the drugstore to buy some ben and jerry's, it's locked in the freezer. >> greg: it is. >> you have to go to the manager to get the key to get some craptastic ben and jerry's because people won't wait there. it's locked away just like the deodorant. >> the good hair products. >> same -- >> my hair spray. >> same taste, same satisfaction, same flavor. so i thought that that was very telling. >> greg: you're right. they understand that there's criminal -- there's criminals -- they're not cops stealing their ice cream. robby, you're a libertarian. you understand statistics but you hate the cops. >> yeah, i hate being told what

to do by anyone. i support criminal justice reform. i think what this officer did confuse ago taser for a gun is terrible and should have punishment. but is every interaction of every police officer and every person of color racist? like this is where ben and jerry's went. this is a white supremacist country. and where is the evidence of that? >> greg: exactly. are they doing that because underneath all of this they realize that their product is harmful to people's health so the woke politics, is that their buffer zone to keep people from saying hey, you're making everybody fat? >> it's simpler than that. they're making a commercial for like gullible woke young liberals to get them interested in ice cream and instead of vegan whatever. that we have the right politics, we have the right views, buy our products. >> greg: you know, loftus, i'm glad you're refusing to get dressed up for the show.

>> i got to dig in. i have to. >> greg: by the seventh appearance, you'll be shirtless be daisy dukes. stained tobacco chew. >> i'm going to have overalls, a nipple out. when you're so lazy with overalls that you can't do both of them. >> greg: they're terrible. stay seated. here's the thing. i'm going to say this. even though i find it idiot tick, ben and jerry's is and amazing product for one reason. when you get a tub of ben and jerry's, every kind of message in your brain that says only eat a little, it's like two pounds of fat. all goes out the window. you're eating a drug. that's what it is. that's why they're so rich. >> they're like drug dealers. it's the worst kind of drug dealer because they're already high. if you have ever had to go through that experience, you go

and boy, it takes forever. right? now these guys have like opinions on politics. oh, man. we're going to be here all night. they're going to bring out the zeplin albums. oh, man, we have to defund the police. it's going to end up with ancient aliens. screw these guys and their triple vanilla white flavor. boycott these losers. >> greg: i don't know if i'm ready to boycott but i'm lactose intolerant which is almost like being racist. >> it is offensive. >> greg: milk is white. so me being lactose intolerant doesn't make me like white people so i'm anti-racist. so i'm on the right side of all of this, kat. where do you stand on this? >> on ice cream? i don't like empty calories that don't alter my perception of the

universe. i'm also libertarian. huge on criminal justice renorm. platitudes and hashtags are not solutions. it's obvious when it's clear how little sense they make. even according to their own ames. cool. you don't want cops. what if someone doesn't pay their taxes? what if somebody doesn't pay for this tax for the government programs that you want? they don't think it through. >> greg: i mean, they -- i would be -- okay. if it were me and i was taking the position of defund the police, i would have a second part to that. >> and? >> greg: yeah. what do you do -- here's the second part. i know you'll agree with me. you might agree. you would privatize security. >> i didn't know what you were going to say and i was going to agree with it. privatize x. sure. >> greg: you'd be okay that?

>> no. >> greg: they're saying defund the public -- the option -- the public option. get rid of the public option. do you think people that can afford the private option are going to go okay, fine. they're going to move out of the cities. what is the name from -- from deadwood, the security company in deadwood. remember that? >> i don't. i love that show, too. >> greg: it was like you had security. you had private security everywhere because you could be killed on the road. that's -- now we're going back to that. we're going to think that that is better than having a public option. >> and the roads privately owned, too. lots of plans. >> i agree with that. hashtags are easier than thinking about stuff though. >> greg: that is true. up next, more virtual signalling from corporate america. so you only pay for what you need. thank you! hey, hey, no, no limu, no limu!

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>> greg: are these companies better because they signed a letter? a two-page ad printed in "the new york times." a letter signed by hundreds of company execs opposing georgia's voter i.d. laws. and then the times pointed out companies that didn't sign the letter. how great is that in making a list of those that don't obey. i remember when liberals that were against this thing. now one of those is coke. coke was extremely critical of the georgia law at first. when asked why they didn't sign the letter, they softened their tone. we believe the best way to make progress is for everybody to come together, listen respectfully, share concerns and collaborate on a path forward. translation, please don't stop drinking our sugar water. [laughter]

it's true. when a company dives into politics, they risk pissing off half of their customers. with georgia is concerned, it's republican customers. mlb's favorablety among republicans is at 12 points. dropping 35 points since mid march. major league baseball hasn't seen numbers drop this first since their home run hitters stopped taking steroids. all right, robby. >> yes. >> greg: you know, we're supposed to be about the free market, corporations should do what they want. i feel like i hate corporations now. they suck. i want a high corporate tax rate. they're turning me to occupy wall street. what say you, captain hair puff. >> all the -- >> i don't know how to respond. >> all the croniest corporatist tax breaks and special advantages they have, i was against them all along. republicans want to take them

away now that they have made republicans mad. fine. i never liked them anyway. i'm fine with it. it would be nice if there were some areas of our lives that was not consumed by politics. it sucks that that is becoming harder and harder. i'm not going to bring the government to break them up for this reason. i would oppose that. >> greg: i'm trying -- >> walk the middle ground. >> greg: i'm trying to figure out what is the next area where politics will be infectious. it has infected knitting circles. i don't know if you follow that. >> very much. yeah. >> greg: but knitting circles. >> a web cam that i'm on every night. [laughter] >> sit down, dag. >> yeah. >> i'm still thinking about your nipple. >> greg: you know what? that's why he crochets. a lot of space. >> yeah. >> greg: space in the stitching. kat, i lost control of my brain at this point. but how do you feel about the fact that coke has walked back? you think they felt it in their

sales? >> probably. i also think you look at the people that sign this, this whole situation in general, it's a lot of people that i don't think understood or probably didn't read the bill. what is happening is the larger issue of anything we're seeing, we talk about these changes, it's a lot of people just afraid to be cancelled. that's what is motivating the action. they're afraid to be cancelled. so anybody that confuses it with progress is misunderstanding what's going on. it's the opposite of progress. if we want to have progress on any issue, you have to talk about it. the fear of being cancelled stops us from talking about it. there's no real problem here at all. >> greg: michael, when you're driving your semi across the country -- >> beep beep. they still do that, by the way. >> greg: really? >> beep beep. >> greg: thank you for that. as a consumer -- you talked

about boycotting in the a block. but how is that -- do we boycott? we're not boycotters. >> stop fighting it. >> greg: we're not boycotters. >> we are. give in to the pleasure of the boycott. senator, i want to boycott everybody that signed this. who does "the new york times" think they are? for real. who do they think they are to organize something like this. they lied to the american people for four years straight about our president being a russian spy and collusion. they tried to change the way the country was going. they didn't respect the election. so i want july to be a month long boycott. let's do it. let's have a economic revolution. >> no. last summer was boring. i'm going wild this july. >> no go dr. pepper. don't drink coke. levi's jeans are trying to take away your guns. we will wear wranglers. the world will be texas. >> greg: you're right.

dagen, you do a lot of economic reporting, a lot of business reporting. do you see -- is it wishful thinking to this that this type of politicalization is going to hurt companies or are we -- they just playing the long game, which is their virtual signals so they don't have to deal with other crap like p.r. nightmares? >> they're virtual signalling because the people in charge have become incredibly political. we saw that with the head of coke, program. but they're worried about people like you turning against them. again, if voters become anti-corporation and anti-business, that down the road could bite them in the ass. but i think that they should take that new york -- "the new york times" calling out some of the companies like walmart that didn't sign that letter, they should turn that into marketing gold. if they have customers across the country, they're like you

hate "the new york times"? so do we. come do business with us. are you a hillbilly, a red neck, a deplorable? you have a bible in your glove compartment, a shotgun perched behind your head in your pickup? your dinner is dead in the back? come shop with us, buddy. >> i'm so turned on right now i. >> was i yelling. >> greg: michael, you should boycott goodwill. >> yeah. i love goodwill. i love goodwill. i love -- >> greg: even the audience is applauding your poor fashion choices. >> they're applauding our good natured banter. >> you have a lot going on. it's the jean jacket and the black jeans, brown shoes. >> a guy like me can pull it off. >> greg: to dagen's point, your idea of boycotting, you're talking about a reverse boycott. look at the list that and frequent those companies. it's a reverse boycott.

>> take from one and give to the other. i'm on board. >> greg: stay with us. we're just getting started. robo cobb is now a robo dog. next. look at this human trying to get in shape. you know what he will get? muscle pain. give up, the couch is calling. i say, it's me, the couch, i'm calling. pain says you can't. advil says you can. (vo) ideas exist inside you, electrify you. they grow from our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free. to make the world more responsible, and even more incredible.

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>> greg: they're blowing their top over a robot cop. this remote control dog, like the one here, accompanied nypd officers on a domestic disturbance call. the bot went in and out of the lobby without actively assists in the operation. lawmakers are chiming in with the same message. it's wasteful, creepy and a misuse of public dollars. just like them. added mayor bill de blasio, if any way it's unsettling to people that we should rethink the equation. with that logic, you would never have been mayor. true. the robot isn't cheap. starting price is $74,000, which

is more than i spend on many pedis in a year. it's being tested by the emergency services unit and the bomb squad. in other words, it could save lives. joe mache hit the streets of new york today to learn more. joe, are people scared of this robot dog? >> robot dogs? what the hell, greg. we did a robot dog story last week. how many are there? who cares. am i only out here because you saw it was raining? time to get inside. >> greg: he's never going to be inside. not with that attitude. he's an outside dog. and not a robot one. all right, kat. is this just an illusion for defunding the police? a replacement dog, a robot dog? >> i did read. because i can do that. but i just still don't fully

know what the dog does. >> greg: it's true. >> what does it do? if i'm getting murdered and this dog shows up, then i'm going to really be upset. >> greg: they didn't send a live person. >> like this thing with legs shows up. that's going to push me over the line on an already tough day. >> greg: it's like a robot version of the automatic teller at a bank. it's like you never -- keep yelling at it. i'm sorry. i didn't get that. they never get it. you're going to be screaming for your life and the robot dog will say, i'm sorry. i didn't get that. >> absolutely. that's definitely going to happen. >> if you're bleeding from a gunshot wound, press 1. if you're bleeding from a stab wound, press 2. >> if my tax money is paying for something, i should figure out what it does. >> what if the dog makes fewer

mistakes than people? what if it doesn't confuse its gun for a taser? >> good point. >> the dog won't have a gun. >> greg: robby, i agree with you. there's research on judges, judges decisions are affected by the time of their meal. so you can get denied parole because he didn't have his breakfast. that won't a with a robot. my problem is this is it's not really a robot. remote controlled roy bot is a toy. >> right. we need artificial intelligence. type the suspect's life more than its own. >> greg: if it has consciousness -- >> what can go wrong? >> greg: nothing. >> it's not like we're fearful of it. >> greg: i'm so excited for the robot over-lords.i've been talking about that a lot. is this a good sign or bad sign? >> i'm done with this. they used these robots for like

hazmat spills. >> i might be in that situation. >> yeah. hostage situations for decades. quite frankly, you know, i have two real dogs with very pronounced chronic gastrointestinal issues. so i would take one of these in a heartbeat. wrap it in memory foam. i can cuddle with it and i don't have the other problems. >> greg: and you can get around that nasty crime because it's really not alive. i learned that in the counselling session. it's just a toy. michael -- i don't know what that means. >> i do. >> yeah, you do. >> greg: we shouldn't dwell on it much longer than i have. >> you say thing and you say i don't know what that means and it goes away now. [laughter] >> greg: your city shovelled $800 million to the mayor's mental health issue.

never say a dime of it. why is he complaining about $70,000? >> yeah, the guy has no idea what the value of money is. if his wife bought it, it's art. it's great. he's a moron. but robot dog, we have to stop this in it's tracks. >> greg: >> yeah. >> greg: why? >> science fiction. do these people not watch anything that is like in the future? they're going to put guns on the back of one of those things and it's going to happen fast. >> then i'm down with it. it has a gun, then yes. >> greg: by the way, i don't think there's been a single science fiction movie that has been right. i watched "soil and green" two months ago. it's set in 2019. jam was $300. how wrong was that? >> where are the skateboards? >> how much does jam cost? >> $80. the jam i have is $80.

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elba would only take a role if raise wasn't part of the character. so the lead actor doesn't see color. the writers didn't see color. the writers didn't see color. but bbc person said they couldn't get over it. so it's not authentic. idris elba was okay with it. he played a norse god in a marvel movie and i didn't complain. the role was meant for me. he may play james bond. i think we have tape of that. >> greg: the budget for these

movies has gone downhill during the pandemic. >> the sound effects department is off the charts. >> greg: michael, you write scripts for a living. it's hard to believe given his wardrobe. >> cameraman, get ready. >> greg: according to this logic, what characters would you be able to write? >> you can't. it's idiotic. the worst thing -- one of the worst things when writing television is the network notes. he's not black enough. he doesn't have caribbean food. i'd let her go. what else can we do? what other changes can we make? i didn't see any barbecue. there was no hip hop. ridiculous. many, many moons ago -- >> greg: can you do that accent forever? >> i can, greg. get down, dagen. >> i'm all over it. >> many, many moons ago i work

on the george lopez situation for abc. george was -- speaking out of school here, someone at abc wanted george to have a tortilla maker. they're like so where do you get your tortillas, george? i get them from the grocery store. that's -- we think a tortilla maker -- it was like a really big issue. >> greg: hilarious. >> he wasn't latino enough for the brass. it's the same thing. justify her existence and her salary by saying there's no caribbean food. >> how is the conversation -- actually, there's not enough stereotypes in this movie. a few years ago we had this conversation about a black aerial. yeah, we can have a black ariel. why not? this lady would say that ariel doesn't eat enough black food. we can't do it. that's not offensive? i don't understand. >> greg: none of us can say --

none of us here can say what she gets to say because she's saying like if she were in charge of james bond and she saw idris elba was drinking martinis, that's not what a -- well, i can't say that. but she would. shed go oh, that's not what a black spy would drink. you'd have to go well, what do you drink? she would tell you and she would be racist. >> we want a world where someone of a specific ethnicity can only concoct a fictional character of that exact ethnicity and fitting every stereotype? that is better? >> i want the white notes for daniel craig. >> seems like bond would have more mayonnaise. why doesn't bond have a dog? >> greg: dagen, i read somewhere today -- i don't read that

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thinking about him, i have to fan myself. >> like shakespeare, right? all adaptations are set in the future or in space. that's fine. it's fun to mess with convention ant bring in different traditions and rethink old things. that's cool. everybody is down with that except the woke people that hate i'm. >> you watch tv because you -- you sit on a park bench. like watch people walking to work. >> greg: think about the two roles that he's played before when he was stringer bell in the wire. the reason why stringer bell was so amazing is he was such a different character. he was this free market capitalist as you could get as a drug dealer and when he was in "the office" he became friend with what's his name. not jim but the other dude. what am i doing here? yeah, he was in "the office". >> elba was?

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>> greg: he would rather saturize than apologize. jack clese took to twitter to the simpsons. he said "not wishing to be left behind by hank, i would like to apologize for all the many sketches we did making fun of white english people." you know it's sarcastic because he apologizes to white people. he's always been an outspoken critic of critical correctness. monty python was shocking in its time. they would be cancel worthy by today's woke losers. we live in a world where john has more fake apologies than andrew cuomo has real ones.

any monty python fans here? where is the old people? >> yes. >> greg: so monty python was super shocking. but their targets were religion, banks. >> people that thought too much of themselves. snooty people. people with too much money. equal opportunity offenders. >> greg: fantastic. if they were around now, what would their targets be? >> everyone. people like hank. hank is like i'm not going to do the voice of a poo anymore. he can give up the paycheck. he gets paid per character. he has 25 other paychecks coming. and in the story, what is he apologizing for? where is the offense? apu is a hard working good. one comic got offended and did a documentary. >> greg: that's what it is.

the outer proportion outrage. doesn't matter how many are businessed. if it's one voice, people freak out. at the simpsons, they had meetings about this. what are we going to do? >> under hank's apology, people said don't apologize. they love this character. and we polled those minority groups and a majority are not offended by the thing that white liberal people are asserting is offensive to them. >> and if abu is so offensive and hank won't do the voice, do you make a pan asian go do it? it's so offensive you have to do it. >> greg: also, dagen, like is this one of those things that they have to look at these episodes and start removing like they did with joe rogan's podcast? >> that is [bleep]. i mean, you need to -- you need to own what you did. live with it.

by the way, all of these people have money. if you're rich enough in comedy, nothing should be off limits. dave schapelle like what he did in that special. he was scorched earth. it was one of the -- he went after every untouchable group. monty python still stands the test of time. i was talking to kat. i was like can i mention this sketch? it's so funny. it's the upper class twit of the year. you want to talk about taking down the upper crust and they're still as snooty today -- >> welcome to the park. but i have to watch most of the comedy that i love by myself in part because i don't want to get cancelled, i don't want to get fired. my nose tends to run when i'm laughing like an open spigot. >> greg: she's in the closet with a box of kleenexs watching

blazing saddles. kat, the issue here with apu is that okay, so he is doing an accent. you can't do accents anymore. if meryl streep and glenn close were coming up the ranks, they wouldn't have any work. that's all they did. >> absolutely. i'm nervous to be talking about people doing accents. you know how bad things are or how weird things are? if you said if this is satire, i click on a tweet. the very first thing is someone seriously saying this warms my heart to read this. jokes about other people aren't the funniest jokes or jokes about difficult things -- i was like yeah, they are. i do plenty of jokes of other people. they're hilarious what are you talking about? that's how far you gone. clearly satirical apology meant to mock an apology doesn't register with some people. that's great that he feels bad.

>> greg: i just want other comics to do this. you know? people come out and say stuff. they're all british. ricky gervais, the most outspoken person. >> fear is a comedy killer. you have to go for it. the poor writing staff on the simpsons now. >> they're so poor, michael. >> south park is about all we have left. >> greg: nobody will cancel south park. i think. don't forget, i'll be live at the columbia speedway in south carolina sunday. my special guest is tom. you remember him. for ticket information, go to ggutfeld.com. don't go anywhere. we have more stuff after this. did you know you can go to libertymutual.com to customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? really? i didn't-- aah! ok. i'm on vibrate. aaah! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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>> greg: to check your dvrs every night so you don't miss an episode. thank you to our studio audience, "fox news @ night" is next. [cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hello and welcome to "fox news @ night" in for shannon tonight. this time in portland in the wake of an officer-involved shooting in a park, law enforcement trying to investigate when agitators tore down the crime scene tape. here's how the portland police bureau puts it tonight. as officers begin to disengage from the scene, hostile individuals chased them throwing things at them. officers deployed inert smoke canisters and help to help them leave, but individuals continued after them.