or so. thank you for inviting us in your home tonight. that is it for "special report." fair, balanced and still unafraid. "fox news primetime" posted by ben domenech this week starts right now with continuing coverage right here on fox news. >> ben: good evening and welcome to "fox news primetime" and i'm ben domenech. we begin with fox news alert former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin found guilty on all three accounts in the death of george floyd. after the verdict was delivered, chauvin in custody and held without bail. he will be sentenced in eight weeks. the crowd outside of the courthouse erupted as the news handed down but despite the guilty verdict in the minnesota attorney general said do not call it justice. speak with a long hard painstaking was cold today. i would not call today's verdict

justice, however. because justice implies true restoration. but it is accountability. >> ben: and floyd's family got emotional at a press conference moments ago. >> we are not going anywhere. and i want to thank all of the protesters. all of the attorneys who stepped up, all of the people who stepped up and many who thinks they are not advocates but our advocates, thank you all. just as for george means freedom for all. [applause] >> ben: we will have reaction from president joe biden and kamala harris this evening. but first we go to chief international correspondent mike tobin on the ground in minneapolis with the latest, mike. >> i can tell you the immediate reaction following the verdict being read or as the verdict was being read i should say was similar to a sports team winning. a big cheer out of this crowd. and then take out third street for a time. and all we see now is a

spontaneous march formed out of the crowd appear they are marching throughout the city. with that being said, the word celebration may take on different meanings because they there is still dissatisfaction. i talked to people following the verdict how they felt about it and they said it's only a stepping stone. there was a lot of anger because this has happened a number of times black men dying with the police and not only here but in the twin cities area. some of the pictures held up in this crowd are pictures of fernando castille, daunte wright, who as you know was recently killed at the hands of a police officer. a tragic situation out there. there has been some friction in this crowd that has been celebrating marching, if you will, primarily because blocking traffic. you saw an 18-wheeler that came out here a short time ago where i should say closer to the courthouse attempting to get to the crowd appear to have some difficulty. ultimately someone climbed up on the hood of the truck. they bumped back and forth and

someone fell off of the hood of the truck. that cost a lot of aggression, i guess. people were pumping, punching inside of the truck. on the driver side door of the truck and ultimately, he left the crowd at a rather rapid pace. and it appeared no one was injured but certainly an intense moment. following that this march started appear the crowd upwards of 2,000 people right now. all also in terms of reaction or do we have something from the police officers federation out here. the statement "there are no winners in this case and we respect the jury's decision. we need the political pandering to stop and race baiting of elected officials to stop. in addition, we need to stop the divisive comments and we all need to do better to create in minneapolis we all love." so in terms of the destruction that you have seen leading up to this point in the past year or so, people in the crowd tell me

this is at a time for celebration and that they were not ready. in terms of the evidence and the things we have come to see. the black hoods, backpacks, wooden shields, the things they might throw. we are not seeing much of that. very small amount of that. promises from people with whom i have spoken that tonight will not be a night for vandalism but a night of celebration. we will see if they march across town. thank you, ben. >> ben: more reaction tonight let's bring in neil foster cohost of "the fifth: podcast" thank you for joining me tonight. >> always good to talk to you ben. >> ben: we have a situation here that is incredible in terms of the reaction that it spawned over the course of the past year, the death of george floyd, something not just a national story but international phenomenon in terms of reaction to it but what is your response to the verdict today? speak with the first thing i will say any time a civilian

ties in the custody of law enforcement or interaction with law enforcement particularly unarmed civilian, that is a cause for concern. in my experience, the overwhelming majority of the time that happens when someone who is working has made a mistake. and i don't think this case is an exception to that rule. on the other hand, i do think this was a genuinely complicated case. it is interesting the jury returned a decision so quickly. i was not in the room but i listen to a lot of the evidence but i don't know all the facts . a circumstance that we don't have physical evidence and score kind of sweeping convictions like this, that is an interesting outcome. in terms of the national response to this, the real quandary that i have is for most americans when they look at this case and they think about the facts of this case, it isn't obvious to me which facts make it clear to self evidently clear

this was a case about race. it is entirely possible for people of all races and backgrounds to have bad outcomes and interactions with law enforcement. and i would say egregiously bad outcomes. i don't want to be sensationalist but isn't that what happens most of the time? most police interactions you go home and get sleep okay. but when things do go bad, that is important. the real question is what can we do to prevent that? at the moment people seemed interested in retribution. it isn't obvious that we have a serious conversation about reform and most of the conversation is about racism. quite frankly, people taking their eye off of the bowl. >> ben: you know, you bring up an incredibly important point, at this point through the media environment entirely through the lens of race where derek chauvin is essentially a stand-in for every white american. george floyd stands in for every black american. to me, that is something to sign

to foment racial rage, outrage, and to really spread the kind of toxic environment that we have seen in recent years. what can be done to push back against that type of narrative, given the dominant force that the media has given this story through that lens? >> i think what needs to happen is people to write and speak, honestly, but these cases, take these cases as individual events. rather than linking them all together and insisting that george floyd is breonna taylor is jacob blake is daunte wright's adam toledo. these are all distinct circumstances with very unique case evidentiary elements and they need to be investigated and adjudicated on that basis, not linked together and turn it into this patchwork of, you know, racial justice. clear and self-evident narrative of the state persecuting black people, when in fact, that is

not what is going on here. adam toledo case, you take the most recent example, you have a 13-year-old kid who is shot in interaction with law enforcement. under any circumstance this is important and worth taking into consideration. but the question is should we focus on the last minute of his life, when in fact, a police officer makes a split second decision and i mean split second to prior their weapon. or should we be talking about why a 13-year-old is on the street? >> ben: i hate to stop you from here but we are hearing from the vice president. >> vice president harris: for your steadfastness we feel a sigh of relief but it still cannot take away the pain. a measure of justice isn't the same as equal justice. this verdict brings us a step closer and the fact is, we still have work to do. we still must reform the system.

last summer, together with senator cory booker and representative karen bass i introduced the justice act. this bill will hold law enforcement accountable and help build up trust between law enforcement and our community. this bill is part of george floyd's legacy. the president and i will continue to urge the senate to pass this legislation, not as a panacea for every problem, but as a start. this work is long overdue. america has a long history of systemic racism. black americans and black men in particular have been treated throughout the course of our history as less than human spirit black men are fathers and

brothers and sons and uncles and grandfathers and friends and neighbors. their lives must be valued in our education system, in our health care system, in our housing system, in our economic system, in our criminal justice system, in our nation. because of smartphones, so many americans have now seen the racial injustice that black americans have known for generations. racial injustice that we have fought for generations that my parents protested in the 1960s. that millions of us from americans of every race protested last summer. here is the truth about racial injustice. it is not just a black america

problem. or a people of color problem. it is a problem for every american. it is keeping us from fulfilling the promise of liberty and justice for all. and it is holding our nation back from realizing our full potential. we are all a part of george floyd's legacy. and to our job now is to honor it and to honor him. thank you. and now it is my great honor to introduce the president of the united states, joe biden.

>> president biden: today, a jury in minnesota found former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin guilty on all counts in the murder of george floyd last may. it was a murder in full light of day and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see. don't make systemic racism that the vice president referred to. the systemic racism that has a stain on the nation soul. the knee on the neck of justice for black americans. the profound fear and trauma, the pain, exhaustion, and black and brown americans experience every single day. the murder of george floyd launched a summer protest that we haven't seen since civil

rights in the '60s. a protest that unified people of every race and generation and peace and with purpose to say "enough, enough, enough of this senseless killing." today, today's verdict is a step forward. i just spoke with the governor of minnesota to thank him to work with the close team. and i also spoke with george floyd's family again. remarkable family of extraordinary courage. nothing can ever bring their brother, their father back. but, this can be a giant step forward in the march towards justice in america. let's also be clear that such a verdict is much too rare. for so many people, it seems

like it took a unique and extraordinary convergence of factors. a brave young woman with a smartphone camera, a crowd that was traumatized, traumatized witnesses. a murder that last almost 10 minutes in broad daylight for the whole world to see. officers standing up and testifying against a fellow officer instead of just closing ranks. it should be commended. a jury who heard the evidence carried out their civic duty in the midst of extraordinary moment under extraordinary pressure. and for so many, it feels like it took all of that for the judicial system to deliver a just, just basic accountability. we saw how traumatic and

exhausting and just watching the trial was for so many people. think about it. those of you listening, think about how tyrannical it was for you and you weren't there and didn't know any of the people. but it was difficult, especially for the witnesses who had to relive that day. it is a trauma. on top of the fears so many people live with every day when they go to sleep at night and pray for the safety of themselves and their loved ones. again, as we saw in this trial from a fellow police officer who testified, most men and women who wear the badge serve their communities honorably. but those who fail to meet that standard must be held accountable. and they were today. one was. no one should be above the law. in today's verdict since that

message. but it is not enough. we can't stop here. in order to deliver real change and reform, we can and we must do more to reduce the likelihood of tragedy to ever happen like this will ever occur again. to ensure the black and brown people or anyone so they don't fear the interactions with law enforcement. that they don't have to wake up knowing that they could lose very life in the course of just living their life. they don't have to worry about whether there sons and daughters will come home after a grocery store run were just walking down the street or driving their car, playing in a park or just being at home. and this takes acknowledging and confronting head home systemic racism. and the racial disparities that exist in policing at the criminal justice system more broad.

state and local government and law enforcement need to step up. but so does the federal government. and that is why i have appointed leadership in the justice department that i have that is fully committed to install justice to the community they swear to protect. i have complete confidence in the attorney general, general garlin's leadership to commitment. i have nominated to code key justice department nominees, kristen clarke who are heavily qualified, highly respected lawyers who have spent their entire careers fighting to advance racial equity and justice. moneta and kristin have the experience and the skill necessary to advance our administration's priorities to root out unconstitutional policing and reform our criminal justice system and they deserve

to be confirmed. we also need congress to act. george floyd was murdered almost a year ago. there is meaningful police reform, legislation and his name. you heard the vice president speak of it. she helped write it. legislation to assist us until mike systemic misconduct and law enforcement and the people that are interested to serve and protect. it shouldn't take a whole year to get this done. my conversations with the floyd family my spoke again today and i assured them we will continue to fight for the passing of the george floyd policing act so i can sign it into law as quickly as possible. there is more to do. finally, it is the work that we do every day to change hearts and minds as well as laws and policies. that is the work we have to do.

only then will fold justice employee quality be delivered to all americans. that is what i just discussed with the floyd family. a guilty verdict does not bring back george. but through the family's pain, we are finding purpose so that george's legacy will not just be about his death but about what we must do in his memory. i also spoke to george's young daughter again. and last year, i said this before and i told how brave i thought she was. and i sort of knelt down and held her hand. daddy is looking down on you and is so proud. she said to me and i will never forget it and she said "daddy change the world." i told her this afternoon,

"daddy did change the world." let that be his legacy, a legacy of peace and nonviolence, a piece of justice. and the legacy are inevitable inappropriate and violent protest is not. and those who seek to exploit the raw emotions, agitators and extremists who have no interest in social justice. who seek to carry out violence and destroy property, fan flames of hate and division and who will do everything in their power to stop the march towards racial justice. we can't let them succeed. this is a time for this country to come together to unite as americans. there can never be in a safe harbor for hate in america. and said it many times, the battle of the soul of this nation has been a constant push

and pull for 240 years. a tug-of-war between the american ideal and all created equal and the harsh reality that racism has long worn support. at our best come at the american ideal wins out so we can't leave this moment or think that our work is done. we have to look at it as we did those 9 minutes and 29 seconds. we have to listen. i can't breathe, i can't breathe. those were george floyd's last words. we can't let those words die with him. they have to keep hearing those words. we must not turn away. we can't turn away. we have a chance to begin to change the trajectory in this

country. it is my hope and prayer that we live up to the legacy. may god bless you and make god blessed george floyd's family. thank you for taking the time to be here. this can be a moment of significant change. thank you. >> ben: that is president biden reacting to the chauvin verdict. look, obviously, he was saying through the course of that many different things about this verdict and his view of the case. let's bring in camille foster, cohost of the fifth column podcast. camille come i want to get your reaction to this but particularly the way that joe biden depicted the way that black americans think about cops in fear for their lives every night, every day they are kids going to the grocery store, et cetera. do you think that is an accurate depiction of the nation?

>> let me say a couple of things. i did mention earlier but i will refrain here. the state has the monopoly the olmec monopoly on legitimate use of force. the government has that. and it is appropriate for that reason to scrutinize the use of force by the state. it is important. it is uniquely problematic when civilians are killed in interactions with government agents. this is important to always keep at the forefront of our minds. but i also think it is important to keep things in perspective. i think talking about people being perpetually afraid of being murdered on their way to the gas station or while shopping at the supermarket effectively by members of law enforcement. that was the dispensable animation on the part of the president during his remarks. and i just think that it is absurd. i don't think people actually live in fear in that way.

if we are, however, going to zoom in on a circumstance, we can take a look at the circumstance in chicago. we can look at the adam toledo shooting which people are focusing on. and the view that adam toledo comes out of the pier that view is a city where 907 people have been shot it's the beginning of this year. those are war zone stats. we are talking about law enforcement which is involved in a vanishingly small relative to the number of interactions with civilians and number of shootings. every one of those shootings matter. they are involved in some number of civilian deaths. everyone of those deaths matter. they should be investigated partially, thoughtfully and pursue reforms to keep those numbers low. if we are talking about these things and hyperbolic ways and we are ignoring the actual circumstances that genuinely make people afraid to leave their houses in certain circumstances, that is to work

rises and murder rates in many cities in this country over the course of the last 12 months. in many respects, connected directly to civil unrest that gripped the country during the wake of this what has been described as a racial reckoning. i don't think we are being serious. we have to really scrutinize the forces that are at work here in the way that we are talking about race in this country. i am delighted to see some of the criminal justice reform efforts happening. i am very concerned about many of the ways we are talking about race. the various cases in which it seems to be disconnected from the facts. there is more than a year later, still, no piece of evidence related to this particular case of the case of george floyd being killed that gives us an indication if he were a white man and all other things were equal, that he would be alive today. there just isn't peer that is absolutely critical for us to keep in mind. >> ben: that is something unfortunately our politicians

are unfortunately unable to say and able to come out and be honest about. thank you so much, kmele, for joining me today. speak with thank you, appreciate you. >> ben: brit hume fox news political analyst, brit. this is an incredible moment in a lot of ways. we have seen this story play out in controversial ways over the course of the past year and particularly last summer in terms of all the different violence and rioting of across the country. what are your thoughts on joe biden's response to that today and what you heard from him in the white house? >> i think, if not a distinct majority would listen to joe biden and george floyd's death is an example of systemic racism. mb dubious. i don't think americans think our country is systemically racist. i think most believe it was systemically racist,

particularly back in slavery but beyond that and the period following up to civil rights in the 1960s when blacks were clearly subjugated and treated as less than full citizens were discriminated against and a multitude of ways. but the civil rights movement was one of the great successes in american history and awaken the conscience of the nation to the injustice that prevailed at the time. and huge strides were made. legislatively and otherwise to overcome that. you might ask the question ben whether in a nation made strenuous efforts to overcome racial discrimination than this nation has. and you know, one of the great tragedies come in my view, this whole situation here is perhaps the greatest achievement. a nearly unanimous consensus in america against racism, being called a racist. shown to be a racist. and about the worst thing that can happen to you. but unfortunately, that has been weaponize now. the term has flung about with

abandon by politicians and others. and i don't think we are a racist country anything like we were once before. and i think this situation we confront now is where you see politicians and others who want to appear that everything has happened so far is not enough and maybe it's not, but every step, of course, every step that is known to do better is merely a first step. because i think the truth is that there is advantages to be had and waving a banner of racism. >> ben: there is a cheapening of all of these terms. when you hear joe biden refer to georgia election reforms as being something out of jim crow, jim eagle, whatever, it turned something that is legitimate, you know, a thing to criticize our history. a terrible time from a terrible policy in terms of its treatment

of black americans and you turn it into something that is just bandied about as though every insult, every offensive statement and every tiktok video from some girl is a racist regime from the past. what can we do, brit to have discourse elevated on this topic as opposed to seeing it go into the gutter over and over again? >> one thing i think we need to do better is to speak out against this loud and clear to say that america may be the least racist country on earth appear that we have a proud history of doing all we can to overcome the legacy that racism left us from the earliest days of the republic. we need to do that. and we need to not be cowed or packed down by being accused of being a racist. it is flung about with abandon. we need to resist that.

we need to denounce that. we need to not to give into that. i watch with enormous regret the way that major american corporations, which largely state of of politics except for campaign contributions and lobbying things there are companies needed to. now getting on the train of attacking the law which bears no resemblance whatsoever to jim crow. i see that with dismay. i see the fact that critical race theory is being taught in our schools. critical race theory is bunk. let's be clear about that. it is absolute punk. >> ben: it is racist bunk. it is un-american and very deeply disturbing way. and they are seeking to indoctrinate children into it. >> i agree with that and i think they have to resist that. i was so struck by that letter that the student, new york city student, the new york city

student wrote about that school adoption of that. he wrote a very compelling message against the indoctrination of students with that stop. the reply that came from the school administration was so weak and name-calling. it was just pathetic. this come i think this stuff can be overcome. about people have to be willing to make a fight. >> ben: well, the problem as i see it, brit, we are asking americans who would normally like to just live their lives to be good neighbors, to be friends, to reach out across all sorts of different lines, to be incredibly courageous in a moment in which they are being demanded of to sort of answer for everything that their ethnicity involves spirit and that to me is something that we haven't seen historically in america. and just normal, average, you know civic minded americans in a position that is extremely uncomfortable for them where they are being treated as if

celebrities or politicians or people with endorsements and the like. so how can they navigate this environment given that? >> well, the civil rights movement itself, ben is a conscious. this is a conscious and a different way. we are seeing the erosion of our institution, the erosion of our traditions. we are seen has joe biden did again tonight, our entire justice system called into question by the suggesting that the justice for people like george floyd and other victims is rare. it is not rare. it is common. injustice is what is in common. so weak, as a nation and as a people need to respond to this. i can't believe, ben as a matter of politics there will not be a huge backlash against this cry that we are a racist nation and a racist people and hearing that over and over again all the time from all corners or too many

corners. there won't be a backlash to that in elections to come. we will see, but i suspect it is coming. >> ben: brit hume, fox news senior political analyst. thank you so much for the time in joining me tonight. let's bring in tammy bruce, independent women's voice and a fox news contributor, tammy, thank you for joining me. >> sure. >> ben: this is a pretty incredible scene that we have in front of us tonight. the reaction to this verdict. and obviously, the tone from joe biden at the white house was one we have heard from him before talking about the idea of this whole situation being not just a tragedy, but a symbol of systemic racism that he believes is some kind of a disease here in america. what was your response to his speech tonight? >> well, you know, it was typical of the democrats.

here we have a moment. and i will remind everyone that when america and the world so that video, but as americans come everyone was appalled. this is not a controversy about what it means. >> ben: i didn't hear anybody saying this was great. no one was advocating for that. >> and no one was ambivalent, no one was ambivalent. we were universally united and what this was and how it impacted us. and then the president went over what happened at the trial. the police officers testified against him. the emt come incredibly moving testimony about trying to help him and being helped, kept at bay by chauvin. the jurors, remarkable environment, serving. the judge. the assistant came together because people came together from the beginning. we recognized it. but he seemed to endorse this idea because of outside pressures is only reason that there was justice in this case,

which is extraordinary. when, in fact, that was not the issue at all. it is worth noted that this is the common framework. at the same time, you have got him saying one thing and contradicting himself saying there is systemic racism, which implies that since the system is people that it is your neighbor, coworker, the people you see on the street. and then says, this is the time for us to come together. i mean you kind of get whiplash about what it is we are supposed to do. the fact is the left once misery. and everyone else wants liberty. when the president said we need to stay focused on george floyd's last moments, i would argue that no one would want that framework to be there legacy. that it is the difference of what their lives can make, but in the meantime, perhaps we

should focus on the fact that we were united in this spirit that we do remain united in wanting to make sure, by the way that certain drifters, maybe someone like maxine waters who wanted, it seems, to have a pressure on the jury that now may backfire if there is an appeal in this case that can reverse the justice of this verdict. it was, in my opinion, quite just. and leader of black lives matter becoming amazingly wealthy at the land barren in the midst of the pain that is being subjected with the riots in various american cities. so some people have an interest politically and that pain continuing. other people have a financial interest in the pan continuing. americans, all of us, have an interest in finding the solution and lifting ourselves up from this, not staking down and recognizing that your neighbor universally embraces all of what

we want to have to become better. that was the opposite message from the president today. >> ben: tammy, that is the thing that irritates me so much. it seems the way the totalitarian left approaches these issues, they are designed, their whole approach is designed to permit racial outrage, to create division, and then exploit it for purposes. i wanted to get a reaction to you from this comment from nancy pelosi about george floyd earlier today. listen to this. >> thank you, george floyd. for sacrificing your life or justice. for being there, how heartbreaking was that, calling out to your mom. but because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous with

justice. >> ben: you know, tammy, i have this controversial opinion that it's white women who are actually driving the wokeness in america. that they are the ones that drive the phenomenon more than actual minorities themselves. this is one more example of that. that is what she is saying there. it is offensive and i would be offended if i was in george floyd's family to hear that kind of thing. what is your reaction to her comment? >> no american family expects or wants their child to be a sacrificial lamb. >> ben: no. >> to what the american left once or a political party wants. the fact is the democrats see everyone, and i would argue especially who they view as their constituency which is people of color, women and gays as being cannon fire. what happens in our lives as a political cudgel for them, something to use. that comment just laid it out

clearly. and obviously, it is really, she is a bowling him effectively as a sacrificial lamb. we have gone through civil war and civil rights movement for various american groups demanding through the system that we love with nonviolent disobedience and through the words of dr. king, through legislation, through like-minded people who we all things to get better and improve all of our lives, but this is almost fetish sizes the pain and suffering. and aoc noted in the video, she doesn't want people to think that the system is working. and that tells you that they don't dare make progress. that progress for them is a problem because then, what with a argue about? what would they have? all of us and of course people

in the inner-city, they understand this. whatever your complexion, we are united in this spirit in him there is some political actors who have an interest in making suspicious of each other and having us hate each other and be divided. americans have rejected that in the past. we will reject it again. but now, the left, they are so emboldened that you get them saying it plainly as pelosi did right there. it is offensive and just obscene. >> ben: they are emboldened enough to say the quiet part loud is what it feels like to me, tammy. tammy bruce, thank you so much for taking time to join me tonight. no reaction unfolding right now after all guilty verdict for a former police officer derek chauvin. let's head to mike tobin on the ground in minneapolis, mike. >> well, i can tell you, the march has stopped for a well and some of the numbers dropped off.

and the last couple of minutes started marching again. but initially is the verdict was read, this crowd outside of the courthouse will picked up a big air of celebration. but as time has gone on, and in the patterns that we have seen over the last year, the patterns since the mike brown case in ferguson. a lot of the angry chanting, if you will, some of it vulgar. a lipid much anti-police. say his name, george floyd. what i got from some people on the ground initially was that they were very happy with the outcome. then some of the conversation shifted to, they thought of it as a stepping stone. a lot of problems, they believe, in the nation and in the justice system. they don't believe it is fair, these people out demonstrating peer that is why they are out here. as we watch the numbers. a big crowd as big as any we have seen this demonstration or series of demonstrations, but

the numbers are falling off right now, ben. >> ben: thank you, mike. here now professor eric who did a study where he found that people's perception of rising racism doesn't match up with the actual numbers. the media is largely to blame, thank you for joining me tonight. >> great to be here, ben. >> ben: it's always a pleasure to talk to you and i know you are a serious analyst with these controversial issues. tell us about your findings and the context of the way people perceive racism versus the way the actual reality plays out. >> really what this study finds is that people's perception of racism and the reality of racism has been diverging, especially the past five years or so. so for example, what you see in the major newspapers like "the new york times" or "the washington post," there was an explosion of the term racist, white privilege, white supremacy and so on and documented in

terms of word count. that seems correlated with the big shift to the left in terms of particularly white liberal attitudes and race. and what that seems to produce is a big, big distortion again of people's perception of the size of this problem. to give you a concrete example rooted in and disputable facts, i asked the question in my survey to both black and white respondents, what is more, which is the more likely cause of death for aid young black man in america? is it a car accident were to be shot by the police? it is a clear fact that it is 10-1 with car accidents over a police bullet and yet eight in ten african-americans biden voters and seven in ten whites who believe republicans are racist, i'm sorry white republicans are racist actually said it was police that were more likely to be the cause of death for black men. so this is leading people to have a distorted picture of reality. and that feeds into a whole

series of political attitudes. >> ben: you know, eric, this is a situation where so much of the media conversation, the focus on these stories which are truly tragic and terrifying and horrible has created this outsized feeling that this is something that happens on a daily basis in america. we have heard from the president tonight about systemic racism being this stream that runs through american life. what can be done to reset this and try to get back to what the facts actually are about the level of this problem in america? >> looking at -- we've been tracking attitudes with interracial marriage as recently as 1990, 60% or 50% or 60% of white americans opposed to interracial marriages and it's now 10%. if you look at shootings of

african-americans, 60-80% decline since 1990s. we don't hear about these facts. so let's put the facts out there and get people to reason statistically and not emotionally. that is the first thing. secondly, if you look at what biden says, he could have brought the nation together about talking about tony tampa the white man whose life was pressed out of him in 2016 by dallas police officer's purity could have talked about the fact many white people killed by blak people but no, instead choosing to turn this into a conversation about systemic racism and racial lies what is not clearly a racist tissue. this is an issue of police brutality, perhaps, but it does not obviously a racist issue and racial lysing that fuels this diversion of perceptional way from statistical reality. >> ben: eric, your book "white shift" political text and everyone should read it. i want to get your reaction to what this would look like politically in terms of the

ramifications of this movement. the president says that something can't stop here. they want to push forward in terms of various legislation and the like. i worry that that risk creating another summer that looks like last year in terms of inevitably, a black man will be shot by a police officer as we just saw this past week. it is going to happen again. and i worry that we will see a repeat. what can we do to avoid it? >> you were right because in a way there are two problems. one it introduces divisiveness, weakening generalizations about local categories by americans and police officers, white people and so on. but secondly, in terms of helping african-americans themselves. one of the questions are put to a black survey respondents come i had half of them read a political race theory inspired author and half of them read nothing. those who read believe they can make life plans drop 15 points.

and those cities with bml academic bom marches a murder rate between 2014-2019. some awareness of the downstream cost of this on the black community and on the united states as a whole is necessary to inject context and a bit more rationality leading into what has kind of become what a discussion of this religious antiracism almost as a symbolic crusade rather than one grounded in facts and logic. >> ben: professor, thank you for taking time to join me. >> thanks ben. >> ben: 20 me the senator from missouri josh hawley. thank you so much for taking time to join me. >> you better, thank you for having me. >> ben: this is an incredible scene tonight. i know we were going to talk about other issues playing out in terms of your own work on tech regulation and the like. what is your reaction to both this verdict and what you heard from president biden tonight?

>> wealth, in terms of the verdict, listen come as a former prosecutor i trust juries and i trust the jury did its job. they certainly deliberated for a number of hours. i trust they consider the evidence. i think this is an instant the criminal justice system at work. i think it be important there is no violence. there has never been an excuse for violent rioting for any reason this whole past year, no matter who is doing it. i would say the same is true tonight. so i hope we can now move forward. that we can go on and make sure that from my perspective when it comes to law enforcement, that we get law enforcement that school report that they need. i think every cop in america deserves a pay raise. we need more cops on the streets. i think we need to honor law enforcement. that is the kind of support we need to. in terms of tonight's events that this is clearly the justice system being able to work and i hope we can go forward to. >> ben: last summer we sell so much violence and everything play out in the streets of

cities across america. and a lot of it was frankly endorsed and back if not split the to explicitly by a lot of american corporations were corporations that espouse themselves as america. endorsing not just blm but all of these different movements. that is something that was certainly troubling to me to see. and it seems like the corporations really haven't learned their lesson when it comes to things like the georgia law that we just saw get all of those different reactions from corporations that seem to have very un-american values when it comes to the issues that they want to weigh in on the pier and what can we do to get corporations to back off a lot of these, cultural issues that e so divisive at the center of american life? >> i don't think there is any question these megacorporations have way too much power in american society, way too much power in american politics, they want to run our democracy, ben, the bottom line. our government. we have to break them up your

those monopolies like the tech corporations. we see monopolies across a lot of industries in farm areas, banks. we need to break up the monopolies pure and simple. we have done that before in american history and that has been a tried and true remedy for megacorporations that want to exert power. but i want to say one thing about the corporations and racial justice and to bring it up. these corporations are deleted to give some money to blm, to say they are woke and to say they believe in racial justice, but what have they been doing the last 20, 30, 40 years? they have been shipping jobs overseas, hollowing out the urban core, taking away good paying jobs for americans of all recent background. they want to be left to continue to do that. they want us to look the other way to pursue those policies that have devastated whole communities, including the urban core and pretend that they are somehow socially just. it is a shell game. it is time we called them on it. >> ben: it is a game, senator.

it seems to me to be a blatant one. basically, they are saying don't look at anything we are actually doing. just look at the fact we gave money to this group are that we put the right hashtag on our official twitter account or something like that. what can we do to trying to get and actually have a brush back here? i have seen the data and the numbers coming in to indicate corporations are giving a lot less to republicans. and yet, they were making more in terms of donations from small donors. is this situation we can ship the republican coalition away from some of these corporations that may be don't have the best interest of americans and mind and toward the people who actually elect them in the first place? >> it is absolutely vital the republican party as a party move away from its dependence on these megacorporations, especially the multinational globalist ones. and actually listen to voters. they should be a no-brainer, but it is absolutely vital, ben. the voters have been telling us

for years that they don't like our jobs being shipped overseas. they don't like the way these corporations kowtow to china on one hand and turned around and lecture americans about what social justice at home when some of the worst offenders. look at who is dependent on global slavery. these slave labor committee to sustain corporations and here they want to tell americans wha. so it is time for republicans to get tough and say we are not taking orders from the corporations. we will not base our policy around them. it is time to listen to the voters appear to be up to get tough on the corporations themselves. i say again for those that are monopolies, they should be broken up. >> ben: quickly, senator, before he let you go, i feel like this is a moment for the conservative coalition where they are waking up to the reality. that defendant boot business isg capitalism. how can you actually train a new generation of politicians to not

be stuck in the old days when those things were viewed as basically equitable? >> part of it we have to recover history. republicans trust busting, the signature policy of hours. they say the policy needs to be again come in here is why, ben, that is all about free, fair rot competition. we believe in that as conservative spirit monopolies, stranglehold by big business. that is not competition. we need to get back to supporting competition, small business, medium-size business and supporting real innovation. having these big multinational corporations try to lecture the american people and try to dictate the political process, including basically blackmailing legislatures like george and others, that is wrong, that is dangerous. it is a danger to self government. and we cannot allow it. >> ben: thank you, senator, i appreciate you joining me tonight. >> thank you thank you. >> ben: maxine waters was in the street calling for

protesters to get more confrontational. but the trial didn't go the way they wanted but what is she saying now that chauvin is guilty? trace gallagher has the latest. >> we heard from president biden and vice president harris and many prominent democrats on the convention of derek chauvin but after the verdict oddly as you intimated nothing from the most outspoken advocates congresswoman maxine waters who initially refused to answer reporters questions as you see her walking down the hall here. this is the same representative who caused quite a stir by saying this weekend to supporters on the streets of minnesota this, watch. >> we have to stay on the streets and we have to get more active. we have to get more confrontational. >> those prompted judge could hilt that said maxine waters could be ground for appealing the verdict. here is the judge. >> now that we have u.s. representatives, threatening

acts of violence in relation to the specific case, it is mind-boggling to me, judge. >> i will give you that maxine waters may have given you something i will appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned. >> it is unclear if maxine waters comments will be used on appeal but moments ago on msnbc, friendly media outlet, waters did finally respond to the verdict, watch. >> i am delighted that we have the verdict that we got today. i could not believe it, but it is absolutely true. and i am looking forward to elected officials using their influence and their power and for city council people. you have the budgets of these police who have been intimidated by these police unions saying that it is possible to do right and to honor the community.

>> relieved by the outcome of the trial. again, intimating, ben the budgets of police departments need to be looked at. >> ben: i'm trying not to be disgusted by what she said there. joining me now, wrong johnsons of former highway patrol captains that led the response in ferguson, missouri. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you. >> ben: what is your reaction in terms of what you have seen here today? the guilty verdict of course but also the comments from president biden. >> i think justice for the floyd family, but i think it is an opportunity for communities in america. that we have an opportunity to look at where we need to be better, look at policing and different way and provide more training, more training that is conducive to what we need to do to gain the trust of our community. i do believe it is not fair to say that all police are bad or

that all americans are bad. this is the best nation. so i think we just need to work on and focus on those things and not tag the whole america and police as negative. >> ben: kevin johnson, one of the big problems as i see it here is that policing is inherently something that is meant to be local. it is meant to be responding to the different challenges that you have been very different communities across the land and one of the values of federalism in america that we have that type of local control and that we don't seek to federalize, nationalize any particular approach, the approach that you use in new york city is different than what you might use in omaha. what is your response to the problem that we see basically where all of these issues seem to be nationalized now as opposed to responding to the various challenges that are

different across the country? >> i think we have too many police departments. we have police departments that don't have the budgeting, the training and the level that they need. i think there is some consistency we need in training. but i think you are right. the policing will be different in some respects depending on where you are in the country. we need consistency and some of our training and looking at the department as a whole. but we do have great men and women and a career i had over 32 years. one of the best careers in the nation. >> ben: what did you think about the president and the idea that black americans go to sleep every night worried that their kids are going to run into an officer of the law and be shot on the way to the grocery store or something like that? >> i would define that as i think many families of color have a concern that something bad is going to happen. it is not going to be a positive encounter at times.

i don't know if i would say that everyone would take it to the level of being killed, but the encounters will not be positive a lot of times when they come to our kids and family members. >> ben: what can we do to change that? >> i think we begin to have honest and open conversations that both sides and everyone comes to the table. an honest, knowing that we have work to do. and so i think when i go talk to agency, businesses and training come i talk about all inclusive in this. there are things that we can all do better and have that honest conversation and not make it a blame game. >> ben: thank you so much captain johnson. i appreciate you sharing your expertise with us tonight. >> thank you. >> ben: thank you for watching "fox news primetime." i am ben domenech. we will be back tonight at 7:00 and until they are lovers of freedom and anxious and afraid. tucker carlson is up next. thank you for watching

>> what is great about this is when we are hurting, we are there for each other. we want to celebrate, we are there for each other. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the derek and the derek chauvin trial into a unanimous and unequivocal verdict: please don't hurt us. the jurors spoke, everyone understood the lenses of an acquittal in this case. after nearly a year of burning and looting and murder by blm, that was never in doubt. last night, 2,000 miles from minneapolis, police in los angeles preemptively blocked roads. why? they knew what would happen if re