♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the jury and the derek chauvin trial came to a verdict this afternoon. "please don't hurt us." everyone understood perfectly well in the acquittal of this case. over a year of looting, burning, and writer from blm, this was never in doubt. police in los angeles preemptively blocked roads. why? they knew what would happen if derek chauvin got off.

and if he didn't get off, he would get the maximum sentence spending the rest of his life in prison. is that a fair punishment? was he guilty for the specific crimes he was convicted? we can debate all that, and over this next hour we will. c but this is what we can debate. no politician or media has the right to impose a different standard of justice on its own supporters. those things are unacceptable in america. all of them are happening now. if they continue to happen, decent productive people willil leave. the country as we know it will be over. we must stop this current insanity. it's an attack on civilization. at stake is far more than the future of derek chauvin. where the memory of george floyd. at stake is america. so before we consider the details of today its verdict, one bigger question, one should we should all think about, what

is the promise of our justice situation -- that it is impartial and fair as human beings can make it. as the cop who was just convicted of killing george floyd. that they will play absolutely no role in jury deliberation, theel justice will be blind. can we say all of that in this case? at if we can't, why can't we? to help us answer those questions, we are joined by miranda devine of "the new york post." thank you so much for coming on. give us the context around this decision. the jury was not sequestered, so they were able to see what was happening in the broader of american society. what did they see? >> you would hope that the jury that the right thing and came to the correct verdict. and a numerous amount of pressure on them, a lot of the area, there were riots, there was the violence four days throughout the trial.

there was a severed pig's head left on the decreased up of what was presumed to be and wasn't the house of one of the defense witnesses. there is so much madness and intimidation around that trial that even the president today before the jury came back said that he was praying for the right verdict. you had members of congress like maxine waters weighing in and saying that if the verdict wasn't a guilty verdict that there should be more confrontation by the mob, and other words violence, looting, arson. it is what this country has put up with for a year. and then you have the president tonight even praising the past rioting, the summer of protest he called it, which he claimed was somehow a unifying thing for the country. i mean, there was $2 billion

worth of property damage just to start with. cities were on fire. a dozen people were killed. there is nothing unifying about that. see you have this atmosphere of fear and intimidation and really the verdict in this trial, the derek chauvin trial, could have been really unifying for the country because we can all rally around our justice system and the jury trial and trusted, and say that above all else, justice is blind and that somebody who did the wrong thing was punished. but unfortunately, because of all of this external pressure on that trial, on the judge, on the witnesses, and on the jurors,ri they were ordinary men and women, we can't barely unify around it, because there is so much concern. the fact that we all tonight are relieved that there was a guilty verdict selfishly because it means that our own cities won't be put on fire and won't be

looted, is a pretty unhealthy situation to be in. and i don't know where you go from this and you certainly don't have a president who just pours more gasoline on the fire and describes this country as being systemically racist. he buys into that destructive narrative. and for a country of all countries of in the world having civil war to end slavery has had a civil rights movement that has had the most harmonious multiracial country in the world to be defaming it for no reason is just unbecoming for a president, i will say that. >> tucker: well, it's dangerous. you've raised so many deep questions i think we will have a lot of time to address in the coming weeks. but just as a practical matter, now that this decision is public and we know the officer in the george floyd case convicted on all three accounts -- why should the rest of us put up with a

single day more of rioting, looting, burning, killing? why should the country put up with it at all ever again? >> you are right, we shouldn't.s but immediately after the verdict, they are on msnbc and on the street and saying "this isn't enough, this is not justice."is we don't care, we are not going to stop until we get our justice, whatever that is. theye, don't really define whatt is. you can -- they want to abolish the police force, but even if we did that, that still wouldn't be enough. they are revolutionaries. what they want to do is break this country down to nothing and rebuild their own utopia. >> tucker: they can only do that with the passive consent of the population. the number of people pushing for revolution, it doesn't break down along racial lines, by the way. it is a multiracial coalition of

lunatics. most people, of all backgrounds, despise them. they want to raise their families and go to work. this is only happening because they are allowing it to happen by their passive stance on it. how long will that continue, do you imagine? >> i think joe biden and the democrats have done a really good job of demonizing the conservative half of the country. january 6th, the capital riot just played into their hands and the media is of course a huge part of this. exaggerating and demonizing people who don't go along with their fake narrative. i think while the media continues to be hand and glove with the left and the democrats, we are in a really powerless state. half the country just doesn't trust our institutions anymore and theus other half is trying o destroy them. >> tucker: that is nicely put.

miranda devine, thanks so much for that context. to. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: it was a political context around this trial. politics shouldn't have any effect on the trial. but they did intrude at every level of this case. we will tell you how. after the verdict, job biden declared that systemic racism is a stain on our country's soul. >> a jury in minnesota found former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin guilty on all counts in the murder of george floyd last may. it was a murder in the full light of day and it ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see. the systemic racism the vice president just referred to, the systemic racism that is a stain on our nation's soul. the knee on the knack of justice

for black americans -- enough, enough of the senseless killings. today, today's verdict is a step forward. >> tucker: systemic racism, a term that joe biden nor anyone else who uses it has defined with any words at all. you would think he would be b excited by this. just this morning in as the jury was still deliberating, the president of the united states so that he was praying for a guilty verdict. >> i am praying the verdict is the right verdict. it's overwhelming in my view. i wouldn't say that, but the jury was sequestered. >> tucker: when was the last time a sitting president weighed in on a jury decision before it was made? the answer, never. the white house has asked about this just a few hours later and pretended that joe biden hadn'tl actually said what he actually said. >> are you not able to clarify

what was overwhelming? >> we are not going to cut down not get ahead of the outcome. i expect when there is a verdict, he will have more to say. >> he talked about the importance of theth independent judiciary. why is it appropriate for him to weigh in ondi the verdict even though the jury -- >> i don't think he would see it is weighing in on the verdict, he was conveying what many people are feeling across the country. >> he was just conveying what many people were feeling, he wasn't weighing income of the most powerful man in the world, on a jury verdict that hadn't been reached yet. he didn'tt say what you saw him say. but that sounds like a familiar defense. after waters threatened a jury with violence if they didn't find a guilty verdict. >> we've got to not only stay, but here to fight for justice --

[indistinct] >> tucker: so there's a reason police were all over the street in cities across the country last night. that is the threat of violence. and maxine waters threaten violence before the jury had even begun to consider the facts of the case. that is so far over the line that we read some democrats were shocked by it, and yet no one condemned it. that includes the president, that includes the most powerful people in the democratic party. they came out in support of maxine waters. and then state media, literally state media, public broadcasting system, came out with an explanation at the white house press briefing. watch this propaganda explain

what maxine waters really meant. >> representative waters come if you could clarify, you said my actual words don't matter. i wonder why the white house isn't overcoming to the defensive waters on dell not given that she is facing an onslaught -- i wonder why the white house but has been saying that she was confrontational, she was obviously not threatening. that is what civil rights is. >> she also clarified her own remarks and i think that's the most powerful piece to .2. >> tucker: [laughs] that lady works for you. she literally works for public television. our leaders haven't always talked like there religious purposes come here was the speaker of the house today thanking george floyd because he

died in orderr to make the democratic party more powerful, for his sacrifice, he says. watch this. >> thank you george floyd for sacrificing your life for justice. because of you and because of thousands, millions of people aroundse the world who came out for justice. your name will always be w synonymous with justice. unless we can change the law, this will beng an episode. to change the law, we are going down a different path altogether. >> tucker: so the guy dies on the sidewalk and here this lady comes down and politicize it so completely that he becomes a saint. thank you for your sacrifice -- this is grotesque. what does it mean for the rest of us who have to live here under the leadership of people like that? candace owens is the host of "candace." candace owens -- you think of a country like ours, this is the most first world country that's

ever been. you think the most civilized and the most just. here you have to consider a murder case through the lens of politics. when you get to that point, haven't you already given up civilization. >> that's correct. what we are really seen as mob justice, andti that's really wht happeneded with this entire tri. this is not a trial about george floyd and derek chauvin. this is about whether the media was able to decide upon a narrative without any facts. whether it was powerful enough to repeat showing and talking about a nine minute clip that came from somebody's cell phone without adding anyg context, without showing the full police video, they refused to release hethe full body cam. the fact that the media was lying.di let's not forget this, tucker. the media came out and told us that this was a man who was just getting his life together, he was a good member of society and he got mixed up because a racist white police officer headed out for him and killed him.

all of that fell apart, all of the facts came out and all of that fell apart. we all know he had enough ethanol and him -- three times the legal dosage. but nobody cares, because the media was successful in putting out a narrative and the reason why democrats are happy is because they realize of course the media supports them and now means the democrats can get whatever they want, because they can create a narrative and they can treat people like pawns and get them to basically say, if we don't get what we want to come will buy it, we will lose, we will send these people out like soldiers to destroy your neighborhoods. and that is exactly what has happened, that is been the determination of this trial. the media and the democrats now have enough power to bully, to bully and to like to integrate propaganda and successfully win. and that is what is happening. this was not a fair trial, no person can say this was a fair trial. >> tucker: you just have to take three steps back and acknowledge that only one side behaves this way.

a jury in 1995 concluded that o.j. simpson, despite dna evidence, had not murdered two people. but more to point, there's a lot of people -- trump voters charged with trespassing. no republican in the congress stands up for them. nobody mentions -- nobody is for prison reform when it's a political enemy. that is not equal justice, but nobody says it. why is that? >> there's a pandemic of ignorance in this country and that is only allowed to fly because we also have a pandemic of cowardice in this country. we have people that are purposefully putting out a bunch of ignorant claims and we have people who are too cowardly to stand up and say you know what, this is wrong. you talked about it, i talked about it,on we do not have peope sitting in congress who are willing to take this fight where it needs to be taken. by the way, you forgot maxine waters inciting violence. i'm so old that i remember when

a man said to fight peacefully to the capital and that was considered an insight to violence. that was like oh, my gosh, stop the press. look at what maxine waters said. no one in the media is condemning these remarks. that same media that condemns trump and his supporters for weeks on end is now defending maxine waters. we both know this is not the first time that maxine waters has incited violence. if you see a trump supporter, you've got to rush them down to the restaurant. they played by a different set of rules. we allow them to play with that different scent of rules. they get away with everything because we don't have strong people on our t side that are willing to stand up. and it's a sad conclusion, it's really so frustrating. the idea of murdering george floyd forgives all the trauma he brought against his victims while he was alive, a man who was in prison while he was alivi for armed robbery, being two of

the reasons why. now we are going to martyr him and make his name synonymous with justice. imagine if youim were one of the victims that was alive, and you have to hear that this man's name will always be synonymous with justice. i l feel like we are living in fiction right now in america. we are losing the century and we are living in fiction because people are not strong enough to call out the stuff. i'm feel like one of the only ones who has a courage to say i will not be mobbed into a different reality. >> tucker: this is why they try to pull you off the internet. you are not afraid. it's's frustrating of course to watch -- you and i have been talking about where one side ferociously defends its power, the other side abandons its voters to jail. i wonder if there's a point where ordinary people can say -- i'm not controlling politics, but you are not allowed to block my street with the protest or intimidate me on my front lawn or break into my store and steal stuff. like, i'm going to defend my

business, i'm going to defend my family. i'm just not going to put up with it. >> no, we are not going to. that's why they are already moving the ball -- they are moving it already, because they are saying that it's not enough, that wasn't justice. what they are saying they want is a perpetualan revolution. they want people to be ignorant, they want people -- while people acting like toddlers, while people are ignorant they act like toddlers. they whine, they cry, because they are absent knowledge. so wet are actually seen a systemic oppression that is taking place that is rotten and it's throughout -- the propaganda taking place in the mainstream media is working with the education institution, critical raceth theory, all of this nonsense to make sure we are mass-producing failures that are angry and are violent and are willing to riotha and loot because they are just pawns and their nefarious scheme to take over this country.

>> tucker: may people radical, that's a shame. candace owens, great to see you tonight. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> tucker: matt finn, good to see you tonight. what's happening there? >> tucker come up behind me you can see the national guard vehicles outside of the courthouse, the razor wire, the concrete barriers. this city has been on edge bracing for this verdict and this trial. right now there are still demonstrations and marches going on across the city. they are largely celebratory, although we know after the sun sets often times people take advantage of demonstrations, they have interest in causing destruction and violence. here in downtown minneapolis, there really has been a ghost town. corporate offices, corporate buildings, coffee shops, restaurants, everything boarded up. d he could drive entire blocks without seeing a person or any life. very unfortunate situation that many of us once to board up its

retail and commercial districts to prepare for this trial. police and city authorities also warning that george floyd square, which has become an autonomous zone inas the city, s going to be reopened again. as we will keep our eye on that. we got up here in early march preparing for the jury selection and eventually the trial. and back then about a month and a half ago, business owners were saying they had plans in place for riots. they cannot afford to keep opening and closing their businesses in the city. so we will keep an eye on the demonstrations. we havest cruise around the city as we progress into thehe night. >> tucker: matt finn in minneapolis come appreciate it. after maxine waters, the chairman of the committee with the single most power over our

financial system threaten jurors in minneapolis with violence if they didn't convict in this case. the judge said that the verdict might be thrown out on appeal as a result. >> i'm aware of the media reports, i'm aware that congresswoman waters was talking specifically about this trial and about the unacceptability of anything less than a murder conviction and talking about confrontational, but you can submit the press articles about that. this goes back to what i've been saying from the beginning. i wish elected officials would stop talking about this case, especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch in our function. i think if they want to give their opinions, they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with their oath to the constitution, to respect theut cool equal brah of government. the failure to do so is abhorrent. to spew on the judge in the case golding maxine waters, doing what her colleagues on capitol hill and the president

of the united states refused to do. that judge worked for amy klobuchar at some point, the democratic senator from minnesota. thanks so much for coming on, we happen to spend a lot of time talking about the legal arguments in this case. we are not lawyers, but i feel like an america of the jury and the judge can handle that. and since, maybe we are wrong and that, but since the judge did respond as you just sought to maxine waters with threats of violence, what do you think happens next in this case? >> tucker come i think that's a little bit bizarre, his reaction. because of the judge -- if they think that the outside influence has been so great that the case is likely to be overturned on appeal, he should've declared a mistrial. it doesn't really make any sense to me legally speaking and what he should have done is he really thought the maxine waters comments were all born into and if he was worried about what the president -- he should've sent a

message. he should've declaredho a mistrial. >> tucker: why do you think that he didn't? >> he doesn't want to try the case again, he wanted to bring this to a verdict, he wanted to get it over with, no judge really likes trying cases, they are the dirty release secret of the legal world. judges really don't havege timeo be spending on trials, trials are only a few percent of their entire case docket. so he was really distracted by the case, he wanted to get it t over with, and he figured that this is their one shot. everyone knows if you have to try it case twice come if there is a mistrial, the odds of conviction go down, the odds ofq the acquittal go up, and the judge knows that. i think that's one of the reasons why he refused to grant any ms. charles in this case were some were definitely warranted. when the city of minneapolis

announced publicly a settlement with george floyd's family in essence conceding responsibility for the death of george floyd -- that was just one of the many examples in this case. >> tucker: the judge was distracted and wanted to get it over with. i hope my surgeon doesn't feel that way the next time i go to the hospital. do you think, bottom line, was this a fair trial? >> i'd like to say yes, certainly chauvin's behavioral seemed to be police brutality come i think the manslaughter charge looks r like the right result for me. but i'm worried it wasn't a fair trial, while the result looks like him that everyone is exultant because they wanted this as a result oriented result. everyone wanted this result, but was it fair and what is it mean for justice? with all the outside influences, it wasn't even maxine waters, it was the last year of rioting and

looting all of that the country which told the jurors one thing. if you do not freak the results we like, you are next. and i don't know any jury -- it's l like the old mob cases where people were worried about jurors safety. it's the same thing here, we cannot do it justice system via mob rule. i don't know how unpopular or guilty a defendant is, we have no justice system. >> tucker: francine, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, tucker. t things across the country were prepared to burn if the verdict came backd different from what t actually did. you are seen footage from the past couple of days in beverly hills, philadelphia, oakland, minneapolis, more than

1,000 in the city of philadelphia alone. james craig knows a lot about the subject, he runs the police department and detroit. we are happy to have them on tonight. thanks a much for coming in. you've kept detroit pretty well and p control over the last year in contrast to most other big cities in this country. but looking out across america, do you think we are at the end of the "let's burn wendy's, loot the department store" part of the revolution? >> it's going to continue. i predicted this over a week ago. somebody asked me the question on another -- on another show. they said, do you think if it's not guilty -- what do you think? i said it doesn't matter. it's going to continue. itr, didn't happen and detroit r a reason. we set a tone here, we are not going to allow these no cop zones setting up, you are not going to violate the law, we are

not going to cave in. we support peaceful protests. but i'll tell you, tucker. sadly i don't think it's over. and other parts of the country as well. >> tucker: we've talked about this before, you were in detroit in '67 when the first big riots hit, that you went out to california. why do you think other cities allow mobs -- whatever they believe -- to wreck their downtowns? why would they put up with that, do you think? >> i think because they are cowards. i'm tellingy you -- it's that simple. people in these cities, and i i can speak for detroit, i can speak for l.a., you talk about some of the communities that relieve a lien on the men and women to go out and protect, they support the police. then you get seats of influence. i'm not talking leadership, tucker. big dull not because different. as i've said on many on the

shuttle's on fox, seat of influence. and so it's a very different situation. so now, it's sad what we are seeing going on here today, tucker. i feel bad for my colleagues and for los angeles. you talked about it in your last segment where columbus, ohio, d from the police, that in work out real well for a lot of cities. new york. detroit is really different. i'm so honored to be here, the community supports us. and yes, we have the individuals scared to talk about defunding. rashida to lead -- she does not represent in my estimation the people that live in the city. >> tucker: it's just so funny. the people who live in detroit -- it's overwhelmingly

african-american, a lot of poor people live there. they don't want this in detroit come i think it tells you everything. >> they don't want it. you know what they tell me? they got angry over the summer when some of these outsiders came into our city and they were chanting "go home." in fact, there were gang members waiting a a block away from one of the protests, and we stopped them. they just didn't understand detroit. detroit is not a friend to outside influence. they handle their own business, it's always been this way. when i worked here years ago, detroit is gritty, but when i look at cities like chicago, philadelphia, and i've watched the looting, the fact that police have retreated -- what is going on,, tucker.

not in detroit. >> tucker: it's ruling classss decadence, that's certainly what today's. the chief great to see you tonight. thank you very much from detroit. >> is good tooi be on your show, tucker. thank you. >> tucker: there were calls up and down the power structure. you've got to find this guy guilty. the president saying he was praying for a guilty verdict. but when the vertex came, no one seemed satisfied. s msnbc, one declared that it was proofhe that the system isn't working. >> i'm not happy, i'm not please, i don't have any sense of satisfaction. i don't think this is the system working. i don't that this is a goodki thing. this is not the system working, this is a makeup call, this is the justice system trying to say hey, this is one bad apple. this is how it's going to be interpreted. he got in trouble, yeah, blah, blah, blog, than there's going to be young black men and women being shot -- because if we

don't have a form, there is no lesson learned. >> tucker: radical reform says the guy in a suit from a tv studio. a lot of radical reform in the country, has it made anybody's life better? no. meanwhile, over at cnn out senior legal analyst offered her theory. may be local elected leaders and police received a heads up, may be the verdict would be not guilty. speak of and we have been pending for addicts and you see building start to be boarded up and businesses start to close, that trust gap that's alreadyal there between our justice system and members of the community expands exponentially. they say you are preparing me for an acquittal. you are telling me if it's boarded up, you anticipate my unrest, my wrath, you anticipate the evolution of a protest into looting and other sayings. so part of what you are saying is that pavlovian reflects our

response to say what does this mean if you are calling out the national guard. people believe, did you get a heads up, governor. did you get a heads up, judge? do, you know something that we o not know? >> tucker:r: it's kind of hard to know exactly what she was trying to say. it appears to be this, the mobs that have built all these cities intimidate the rest of the country, but in fact evidence that they are racist. oh, okay. dom lemond told us the verdict wasn't really about derek chauvin at all, it was about what this country values. >> i'm really nervous about this, especially because of what this means for the entire country, but also what it means for the value of black life in this country. and state violence against people of color. america is on trial here. and i think this verdict will

indicate just how much of a value that the system, right, that america places on black people. >> tucker: america is on trial here -- no, the american news media is on trial. you've been found guilty o recklessness and stupidity. this really is the hallmark of something bad to come. if they demand something, they threaten violence if they don't get it,th and then when they do get it, they are not happy, they are even matter. this is how the democratic party reacted. they are even matter. that means more radical changes on the way. he also once worked at cnn likeo one point. great to see you tonight. how do you explain this? these are people who have said if this jury doesn't return a verdict that i agree with, america has a terrible place, the jury does dutifully return the verdict if demanded, but

america is an even worse place? what is all this? >> america is on trial, the system is onis trial. it's a guilty verdict across the board and msnbc is saying that the system didn't not work. i think this is an example really of the way the media operates these days. everything from all of the good and all of the evil that exists in america, at least that is being pretrade by the media, is cast into this one story that really -- as if this is some kind of microcosm of everything good and everything horrible in america and fun once this isr, over, while now what? they've got to cast all of these onto the next story. because apparently we are moving onto the next one now, now we are on to the next thing to be our example. >> tucker: of course, because they see an end to the graph. all of the sudden if america is a pretty decent place that returns vertexx that we are hapy with, why would jason johnson

beyond tv? somebody who's never added anything to the sum total of happiness in america or any other place. if we declare victory, then we have to go home -- we don't want to go home, because it pays well. it feels like a lot of the analysis over the last few hours and certainly over the last couple weeks has been very surface here. i think that there's an interesting case here to be made. darnell fraser, the 17-year-old who film the video that day that became the prosecution's entire case, is a good example of the way that the media -- this was an end around around the media apparatus, this was around media power. we saw law enforcement -- there's a reason to be skeptical of law enforcement. just a couple days ago we learned about natural causes. that was what law enforcement was spending along with the media. here's another example. you go back and look at that first report about what happened to george floyd, that completely contradicts what they found it.

those kinds of examples of citizensns who are proving that there is an end around around legacy media, traditional media, and law enforcement. eight don't like that as an example of what's going on in america. >> tucker: probably the only interesting media newsletter there is. pretty straightforward, but smart. i appreciate it. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: joe biden and kamala harris is calling the floyd family and their lawyer, benjamin crump. it was quite a moment. [indistinct]

>> tucker: j.d. vance is the author of the book "hillbilly wg." great to see you tonight. i'm concerned, quite apart from the details of this case, which are probably not that qualified to weigh in on to be honest. i'm concerned about the way this case, the verdict will reflect how the whole country feels about its jostens steps system, which is got to be the bedrock of society. seems like nobody has more faith in the system on either side. it's because that's exactly right, tucker. if you look at the way the president, various media fee figures, variously everybody talks about this case, they spoke about it as if it was prejudged and there was only onr right outcome. everybody who has basic common

sense knows that if the jurors were able to see the local newse coverage, that they would feel pressured to come out in a certain way. what this shows a lot of people unfortunately is that if you are on the wrong side of someone's opinion, they can come after you and it really hard way. they can pressure jurors in at court of law and whatever you think of the derek shelton verdict, the outcome, like you said, costs of pool on the entire system. >> tucker: there's been plenty of cases in history where they were punished outside of the system and they were guilty. it's always wrong to finish down my punish someone in a fundamentallyon illegitimate wa. the way you do it is all .mportant is that even possible? >> you are exactly right. the bedrock's of american liberty is that everybody does

the righty thing, follows the right process, even if you are mad at somebody, even if you think they wrong to you. because ifrt you don't do that, whether it'sstem, rioting, looting, ask -- you can'thave basic peace ir communities and in your lives if you can't trust the system to deliver real justice. >> tucker: why do we allow elected officials to try to influence the jury pool as it deliberates. i am i missing something? that seems like a bright red blind to me. >> i think there's a chance that it gets thrown out in appeals. this may be the courts will find that you can't actually influence the jury. this actually of bigger issue here that i really worry about. which is that our ruling class has no sense of proportion. what liberals thought about how many black unarmed people were

killed by police officers, many thought it was over 1,000 a year, some thought it was over 10,000, the real number is actually 27. one of the things that worries me is that you have a ruling class pulling its hair out over ian instance that is obviously tragic and terrible, but at the end of the day is not as merely a problem is the crime wave destroying our cities, as the heroin epidemic killing 80,000 people, and any other number of problems that our ruling class seems totally unable to focus on. what worries me the most about this is it it is a massive distraction. to speed on a massive distraction. and yet they seem genuinely genuinely hysterical about it. you spend a lot of time around these people too, do they mean it? is this just a power grab or are they as neurotic as they seem? >> i think they are as neurotic as they seem because they are terry wright of leadership, but hungry for power. if they face the real problems

that are in this country, the crime wave,th the heroin epidem, the decline of the middle-class economy, they would have to look in the mirror admit that the ruling classes failed to deliver sustainable prosperity for this country. instead they getry us all spun t over this ridiculous stuff that is tragic, but there's a lot of tragedies out there. the fact that we are spending so much of our air time that our politicians are devoting so much to this suggest that they are not focused on our real problems. >> tucker: and we are being manipulated. j.d. vance, it's great to see you, thank you for that. so there had been a couple of reporters who have covered the riots and the chaos all over this country from memorial day weekend to the present. there are not many. one of them is named shelby, she's in minneapolis for us tonight. what are you seeing there right

now? >> tucker, right now it actually seems to be winding down. at least for the foreseeable future. right after the verdict was announced, everyone was jumping for joy, people were crying, they took to the streets and it soon turned into another protest because they said well this was of win t for them, it wasn't of win overall. they are still looking for more justice, policy change, they want more officers indicted. so it'sct not over for them. >> tucker: you were there in early june. when you go back to minneapolis, it doesn't seem like the city has been repaired or recovered from those riots. everything is still boarded-up for sure. right next to me, there is a giant wall of just -- you know, it's entirely boarded-up.

behind me the whole courthouse area is boarded-up, now has been boarded up this entire time, i have no idea. clearly these businesses are struggling to recover from the original riot. and it does stink if they keep having to board up and shut down and we are seeking distances shutdown early, they are scared, they don't know what to expect when things like this happen. the city is struggling. spew on these cities don't know what to expect. you are describing a hostage scenario actually, where the whole country is being held captive by a small number of revolutionaries and opportunists. i appreciate it, shall be. thank you. former deputy sheriff with the new york city sheriff's department, he joins us with his perspective on what this means for law enforcement. thank you so much for coming out tonight. who's going to become a cop

going forward do youwa think? >> i still think people will become policee officers. this really is a learning experience for everyone. what we saw on that video was pure savagery. the evidence shows the police officer putting his knee on the perpetrator's neck while he was cuffed and is stomach was on thg ground causing positional asphyxia. what i would like to see is more training for police. i like to see the police trained as emts like in the fire department. we havee firefighters that are emts, but who gets to the scene first and most of these situations? it's the police. so in reviewing the tape, what i noticedt was that the police officer had to move the subject, mr. floyd, from his vehicle. and he was able to handcuff him and able to seat him on the ground. and he was handcuffed. at that point, they should've

left them there. t and there was no reason to move him. and obviously mr. floyd was -- he was emotionally disturbed. at that point you might want to ask for a pulse or things of that nature. we have to change the way we deal with people. i've used hundreds -- i used forced on literally over 500 people in my 21 year career in n the department, i've never had anybody go unconscious. that was clearly an on excessive use of force. we had testimonial evidence and it was an open and shut case. but moving forward what we need to do in my opinion -- >> tucker: do we need to enforce the law? slow down. do we enforce the law? let's say people are going through the windows in macy's and theng cops are just standing there. do they resign? their honor is being violated, but they're not doing anything about it.

when did they start doing something about it? >> i want people -- i want the police to protect people, but specifically what we are dealing with here is a person in custody who was handcuffed and subdued. that point, we have to take aif different task. and another thing i want to suggest -- the u.s. department of justice came out with a position paper on positional asphyxia, it was published in 1995 and again in 1998. i think every officers to read and it should r be read. it talks about the physiology of the struggle. now mr. floyd was brought under control. what should've happened at that point is ems should've been so meant and he should have beenhe placed in an ambulance. i think it was excessive. >> tucker: the guy who did it looks like he's going to spend

the rest of his life in prison. i'm more worried about -- no, done. m thank you. other mcdonald's, i am concerned by the number of cops retiring who think -- there is certainly some who use excessive force. but it seems like the messages of police officers are being forced to stand by and allow buildings to burn, they don't do anything. who would want that job. >> no one, the demoralization is so huge.so we don't have hot rights tonight, tucker. but we've been having a slow riot for the last year. we are going to have a slow write for the next four years. biden said enough of this o the senseless killings. was he referring to 7-year-old jasmine adams who was shot

fatally six times at a mcdonald's in chicago over the weekend, of course not impute he rwas referring to a phantom, the idea of system of police bias. it is outrageous on the part of our leaders whether it's president biden or former president obama today who came out withth another phony statemt that the police were systematically racist -- that is alive. here's the facts, tucker. last year they were 15 on armed blacks shot by the police out of a population of blacks of 40 million in this country that represents .2% of all blacks who were killed in homicides last year killed by other blacks. at the demoralization of law enforcement resulted last year in the largest single percentage increase in homicide in u.s. history. that increase isn't continuing, it spreading into the suburbs. this country is now being held

by riot extortion and the rule of law is breaking down and public safety is not going to return as long as this phantom narrative about police races remains dominant in the democratic party and in our presidential administration. >> tucker: heather mcdonald, thank you very much for that. >> thank you. >> tucker: we are monitoring what's happening next. glenn beck joins us in just a moment. ♪ ♪ yea, and be completely on their own in this pandemic. vo - just talking about foster care can help foster care. hey! hmmm. wrong meeting. vo - donate your small talk

>> tucker: so much going on in the country right now. who better to discuss the glenn beck, she joins us now. thanks so much for coming on. what is your reaction to all this? >> i tried to take a bigger view. and looking at -- none of us were in the jury room. but now we are kind of in our living room and we are all dealing with it together and we have to ask what's next and what

role am i going to play and all that. nancy pelosi looking to the skies and thinking george floyd forgiven his life for justice. and that is one of the things i'm very worried about. we don't in america try symbols or movements. we try individuals. and like i said, i was not in the jury room. and i don't want to get into that, because that is our system. but we have to try individuals and not movements. this verdict does not bring george floyd back to his family. this takes another man who got up one day and wasn't thinking, i'm going to kill somebody aware from his family, perhaps for the rest of hisst life. i wish today we could be a little more like the amish when the gunman came in and killed a lot of their children, they mourned with their children, but they also wind and they mourned

with the taylor's family and said "it wasn't to you." but that is not the message we get from too many today. it is all about collective justice. we need to mourn with both sides and realize this has been a horrible, horrible year that has torn our country apart and we started apart and we all watched this the first day. we all said oh, my gosh, we were reunited, then politics slumped into the room and tore us apart, for what? for what? another guy is going to jail for the rest of his life. and we are looking at a system where justicee should be blind. i hope it was in this case.

it shouldn't be about client dell not color, it should not be about wealth or station, its blind justice, not social justice. when we achieve that, we do the best we can, and only god can restore everything else. i am watching everybody react to this on tv and digesting myself -- how to return this into a positive? can we come together and heal the wounds, can we fight priest principles that we have in common. everyone that i work with, everybody i know, is looking towards those principles of equal justice and getting the bad guy, not color, not trying people for a cause.

we have a great opportunity, let's see if we grasp it. >> tucker: so nicely put it. a quick piece of news from the world of big tech. we spent the day hearing from old college classmates and people we had been in touch with for 30 years. it was nice, but there was an occasion for it. jeff bezos had one of his minions pull our dusty college yearbook andho see if we can do anything naughty at the age of 19, that sounds like fun. let us know if you hear any more good stories. before he drops any more of us billions on opposition research he should that it shouldyo not affect any election outcome, this is a new show, this is a -- on the other hand, if you wanter to come over to reminisce about 1997 on the show, he's always welcome.e anytime. that'sny about it for us tonigh.

before we go, tucker carlson today 4:00 p.m. eastern, el presidente in the meantime sean hannity takes over from new york. >> sean: tucker, thank you, and welcome to "hannity." chauvin was found guilty on all charges, second-degree murder, second-degree manslaughter. chauvin's bail has now been revoked and he's in jail tonight with sentencing to take place eight weeks from now and tonight he's facing the likelihood of decades behind bars. the video evidence in this case, it was substantial, it was overwhelming and it was appalling. the jury arrived with their verdict less than 24 hours after being handed the case. not a single question asked by the jury to