>> harris: maybe they just need more people involved, they are bringing in those under the age of five. kat timpf, it's always great to get your take on things, thank you for being with me and thank you for watching "the faulkner focus." "outnumbered" now. ♪ ♪ >> emily: we begin with a fox news alert, the media is under fire for largely ignoring the scandal serve involving biotin's climate envoy over disturbing claims that he shared intelligence with iran, the number one state sponsor of terrorism. he has denied the allegations but questions are building. i am emily compagno i'm here today, my cohost harris faulkner and kayleigh mcenany, and joining us on the couch the first time, john arnold and radio talk show host larry elder. leaked audio reported by "the new york times," ron's foreign minister claims kerry

told him of at least 200 military operations in syria but abc, cbs and nbc reportedly ignored the bombshell report during their morning and evening news programs monday and tuesday. msnbc also skipping any mention, the white house reporters did not bring the issue up at all yesterday either and there was just one question about it monday, watch. >> does the president have any commodore reaction to kerry telling the iranians about covert military action for israel? >> we are not going to comment on leaks. >> emily: critics are calling the media response a complete 180 from how they handle the trump administration. >> it's very simple and that is, under the trump administration they would always find these so-called bombshells and they didn't wait to confirm them. they would say, nbc news has yet to independently confirm this

but we rushed it into the lead of the show anyway, here they are going to use that, well, we don't have enough information yet. it just shows you, i think, what we usually find riches there is a complete difference in the way that these networks cover republicans versus democrats. >> emily: kayleigh, i'd like to start with you on this, jen psaki said we don't comment on leaks tapes but isn't that a luxury? during the white house and i administration it seemed leaks tapes where the subject of countless white house briefing questions not to mention all of the front page coverage with other foreign heads of state or russian bounties, the constant drip from the mueller investigation, whether to true or not, derogatory terms, the list goes on. >> kayleigh: that's right and leaked, unverified intelligence, that of course means russian bounty intelligence and i said countless times from the podium,

this is not the venue for discussing that information but i didn't stop the media from running with it not just in that briefing but many thereafter, jen psaki set a precedent saying we don't comment on leaked audio. about five hours later that standard was breached by john kerry himself who commented on leaked audio, it's incumbent upon the press yesterday to say, yesterday you told us you don't comment on leaked audio, your administration did so now let's answer questions about this serious allegation buried in paragraph 22 in the 26 paragraph "new york times" story, fox was notably not in the room yesterday, real clear politics is not in the room, but rather than asking about this explosive story, they did ask about israel, they just asked about whether israel was committing apartheid and human rights abuses and crimes of the international state, that was the questioning, not this explosive allegation that

certainly deserves investigative journalism. >> emily: explosive indeed, larry, these are serious allegations, secretary pompeo accused john kerry of undermining foreign policy during the drop administration, it appears that well i was busy rating the president, john kerry was busy briefing, isn't this newsworthy? >> larry: of course it's newsworthy, you began this by teasing that the media are under fire and they are, from the right but as far as the mainstream media are concerned they couldn't care less, this is what we have to deal with all the time. i mean, if the media had done their job the story of reverend jeremiah wright when barack obama was running into doesn't it would've made his campaign a supernova. the story of hunter biden depressed by "the new york post," that story, had it gone out donald trump would have been reelected. this is what we are dealing with all the time, this routine double standard, the media is a public relations bureau for the democrats, for the left and they are out to get us and the only

people keeping them honest are the minority parts of the media which is the conservative media. >> emily: jenna, first of all, a hearty welcome to the show, we are so grateful for your perspective and now i pose the same questions to you, he's a clear adversary of our allies in the region, kerry doesn't in either relationship and there hasn't yet been a public accounting of the subject of all of his conversations with him. my question is, don't americans deserve to know not only about this but with the same zeal that reporting underwent during the trump administration? >> jenna: emily, harris, thank you so much for having me and thank you, yes, of course, i think everybody is entitled to transparency particularly when it comes to relationships with foreign countries that we haven't exactly had great friendships with. i think it's important to note, however, that

"the new york times" and "the washington post" both covered this story and provided a pretty clear image i understood it's not clear whether or not kerry have these conversations before 2017 or after 2018 and in their lies the incredibly important detail which suggests whether or not this is information that he shared with the foreign minister with either something that was public or was still confidential. according to what it seems like most other accounts are suggesting that this information was shared by benjamin netanyahu so i think the question really becomes, what is it that we are questioning here, whether or not conservative media think that the left is giving enough attention to the issues that they care about or are we talking about our relationship with iran? they are to go different subjects. >> emily: just to follow-up on that first topic you just mentioned, the former one, do you think that there is an equity and inequality between

the coverage of the two administrations, do you see as well a sort of more muted zeal towards this administration with anything that comes out of it let alone the administration itself? >> jenna: not yet, i'm actually quite enthusiastic right now because i do want to have conversation specifically as we talk about iran about our relationship with iran, iran's relationship with israel, not about this hypothetical conversation that may or may not have been had, and like you i am curious, i want those details but i will wait to see them and i don't want to spend too much air time talking about it until or unless that information becomes something that was a breach of our foreign policy standards and lash or becomes something that is obsolete so i think the question really is, you know, how enthusiastic are we today that we are able to talk about real subjects and not talk about hypotheticals and making sure that the hypotheticals, we shouldn't lose

sight of that. >> harris: this is a real subject and of course our general, talking about this, the real subject, the third on subject, you named two, the third line subject would be the relationship and it was pre-existing to the time in which he left office and it has continued as far as we know perhaps, not just getting the attention of the former trump administration but now a closer look at some of the talks that he had and what he may have shared. why don't we just ask him? why don't we just ask him? i'm willing to go out and get my own electric-driven scooter to chase after john kerry to get them to answer the question. >> jenna: just don't take selfies. >> harris: look, i'm good with people seeing me fall. but look, i'm really not that graceful on a scooter my 14-year-old tells me. this is a real topic of conversation and like you i want

the facts, too, i want to wait until we get them. the problem, the challenge is when you don't get a thirst for knowledge equally throughout the media and when it seems like there's not equity applied there with the hunger for questioning, we wait on the person's time. we are waiting on john kerry's time whenever he feels like he wants to speak up because the other media are not going to go after him and let's be honest with ourselves, who he is more to talk with. by the way on behalf of all three of us, welcome to the program. >> kayleigh: this is a real topic, it's a real area of concern, intelligence with one of our greatest allies, israel being shared covertly with the number one state sponsor of terrorism, the country that is indeed responsible for the killing of so many u.s. troops abroad. it is our real subject,

president trump was given the mandate to leave in 2016 and as he's trying to untangle the iran deal the american people gave them the vote of confidence and you have john kerry trying to shore it up behind the scenes, that's a clear violation of the logan act, they aren't so keenly focused here and it is a real subject matter, make no mistake about it. >> emily: accountability begins with information so let's hope we can look forward to more. just ahead with the border crisis still a top concern for many americans, the justice department is reportedly ending a trump-era policy on sanctuary cities, why those cities now have access to millions in taxpayer money, plus the panel has a lot to say on hunter biden's new gig speaking to college students about fake news. that's next. ♪ ♪ veteran homeowners, this is the best time in history to turn your home equity into cash. because home values have climbed to all time highs. and so has your equity. turn it into cash now, while mortgage rates are near all time lows.

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be one the biden administration reportedly is rolling back a trump-era policy that punished so-called sanctuary cities that refused to cooperate with federal immigration authorities, those cities founded more than two dozen states will no longer be required to work with immigration and customs enforcement to get access to hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money. so kayleigh, i come to you first on this because obviously during the last administration and this is another rollback of yet another policy, it didn't go well with the border policies that joe biden has rollback, when you look at this one come up what do you think will happen? >> kayleigh: a completely lawless and derelict immigration system under president biden, we

are now becoming a sanctuary country and president biden made that eminently clear when he right out of the gate in january said "i am issuing a 100 a moratorium on deportations" only to be rebuked by a federal judge who said you can't do that but nevertheless, they are not arresting illegal immigrants with criminal records at the same rate as president trump, president trump in december, 4,400 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions were arrested, compare that to 1900 in march hunter biden, they are allowing criminals to allow leslie take to our streets, gang members in jail to be released without getting the necessary rotation to ice to protect innocent, beautiful girls like kate stanley who should be here with us today if it were not for lawless immigration policies. >> harris: it is beyond those heartbreaking facts and the losses of loved ones, so on and so forth with those crimes being

committed, it's also drug cartel members, when you talk to attorneys general as far north from the border of montana what you learn is that they are seeing a huge burst in crime with the border situation as it is now and if you begin to protect those people criminally infiltrating our great cities across america, as we all do, we know immigration, legal immigration has made us great country, they are here for completely opposite reasons. and if you lose the ability to go after those people, do you make a america less safe? >> larry: this is no surprise, the biden administration made it very clear that they felt the trump policies toward sanctuary cities was racist and he was going to reverse it paid what i find interesting is that the democrats clearly have determined that this is a positive political calculus for them, they feel that eventually illegal aliens turned voters will vote for the democratic party but they do

this at the risk of alienating black voters, the harvard economist that's probably done more work on the impact of legal illegal immigration and many other economist and one of the big losers he said are unskilled black and brown workers in the inner-city that had to complete for jobs that are held by illegal aliens that put downward pressure on their wages so the democrats have determined they don't care, don't know or won't be able to figure out the damage that unbridled, unskilled illegal immigration does to them. b1 jenna, your response to what larry elder just said? >> jenna: well, again, i come back to exactly what it is that we are talking about here, are we talking about the funds that are now being released to major cities around the country, grants, specifically in honor of an officer who was killed in the line of duty that is there to support the mental health programs for law enforcement to help with prosecution, to help

in community building, so the irony of this very specific conversation about fund's being re-released to the cities is that there is policy request from parts of the left to defund the police and then there's from the right saying how could this possibly be? and here we are debating the fact that president biden has released resources to go specifically to law enforcement to support, again, everything from mental health the prosecution so if you want to have that conversation, this particular release of resources is specifically to support law enforcement. >> harris: i want to come back to you, larry, and get your rebuttal on that. >> larry: this is a broad conversation that apparently she doesn't want to have, the question is, are we a nation of laws or are we a nation of lawlessness? there's no question that this administration has made the determination as have people

like, you can go online and look at his 2009 speech where he said, if we can get 11 million people on a pathway to citizenship, 2 out of 3 will vote for us and we will have a governing coalition for the long haul, this is a calculation they've made, there's no question about that. if it were true that illegal aliens turned citizens would vote republican we would not be having this conversation anymore then we be having a conversation about d.c. statehood or puerto rican statehood, we would not be having this conversation if this didn't politically benefit democrats. please admit that. before lately, i will specifically echo exactly what kayleigh said before you when she said, are we a sanctuary country? a family reminder to most folks that in fact this country has served as a sanctuary for so many of our ancestors. and let me just say, kayleigh, you can't keep throwing down ms-13, and making statements,

i'm not suggesting that the victims or their strategies aren't real but making broad sweeping statements about the people who are coming to this border, it's an easy narrative and larry, related to the lawlessness, i drive the speed limit, so we are a country of laws. >> harris: i do want to clean something up that you just said, i made it very clear who we were talking about in terms of coming across that border, no one on this panel has said it is the majority, the large number, all or anything like that, what i said that this country is as great as it is because of the legal immigration we have seen and what we see is us urgency among the few who come into our cities and go as far north as montana and other places when you talk to their attorneys general, they will tell you that the crime is bursting as they are coming across the border, i don't want you to paint this as kayleigh or anybody else has made any suggestion, even that

this is all people coming across the border. no one has said that, no one believes that. >> jenna: i'm glad we are on the same page. >> harris: i laid that up before anybody even talks very quickly, wants to wrap, emily? >> emily: yes, please, to respond to jenna's comment, she's right, in honor of a fallen officer, it goes to initiatives that are within law enforcement, prosecution, correction, mental health and drug programs so in 2020 it was about $253 million and my point is that that is the arena, law enforcement means law enforcement so if you want a law to not exist it needs to be legislatively changed and it's for that society and when you remove the communication between agencies, when you reward stopping that communication between agencies the suffering, those are the victims. those are the members of the community who don't benefit from otherwise what would be an

uptick in actual law enforcement and solving of crimes. he literally just passed a bunch of laws that go toward upticks of encouraging communication between agencies, that's how crimes are solved, take it for me as a criminal attorney, it really underscores the need for the communications of a rewarding that it's not about pivoting to a question of immigration on the southern border, it's pivoting or encompassing the question of actual communication between agencies in the criminal sector when you don't let federal agencies communicate with local agencies when they have slipped out for these guys that have broken the law and that's a whole different ball game, it's a whole different ball game and it's a community that suffers there. >> harris: all right, everybody, great debate, great discussion, we are going to move to this. i made ongoing questions about censorship during the 2020 election, the president's son hunter biden is set to lecture college students after nabbing a speaking gig at a major

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♪ ♪ >> emily: welcome back, the president's son hunter biden set to appear at a guest speaker at tulane university where he will be lecturing students on a ten week course on media polarization also being described as a look at fake news along with policy-making. this comes after social media giant censored "the new york post" report on hunter's laptop during the 2020 election, biden has no known media or teaching background, telling harris earlier that this is a long pattern with him, watch. >> the experience isn't a thing with hunter biden, he got all these jobs, in ukraine he got a job at an energy company despite never working in energy, his main qualification was that he wrote amtrak a lot. perfect for an $80,000 a month

job. >> emily: larry, would you take this class? >> larry: we need a new term, it's got to be called hunter privilege, he's on a book to her, asked about the laptop, he says "i'm not sure it's mine, it might be russian disinformation," what happens next, is o.j. simpson going to teach a course on anger management? this is absolutely flabbergasted and, what can you say? this is a joke, hunter biden giving a lecture on media disinformation when the guy has been lying repeatedly about what he and his dad knew about his business dealings in the ukraine, lying about his laptop, it's a joke. i'm surprised students will even show up. >> emily: i think my biggest reservation about this when i hear it is just that not only is he not even in the top 50,000 of better sources on this actual important topic but also that a

lot of these issues haven't yet been resolved, he is still under federal investigation, there are so many things about which news media covered hunter biden that have yet to be concluded and so why him, why now? >> kayleigh: he shouldn't be a speaker in this course, he should be a subject matter of this course because the real fake news, the media's total dismissal of the hunter biden story saying it's russian disinformation when in fact we know that this laptop has hundreds of pictures of hunter on it, text messages with his father, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to confirm that this is in fact his laptop and to add to the list of mistruths from hunter biden he lied on a background check form to get a firearm. saying that he wasn't a drug user and never abused a controlled substance so you have someone who has a documented history of mistruths teaching a course for which he should not be a speaker but in fact a subject.

i would be quite upset if tuition for my child was going to this person. >> emily: jenna, i will let you respond to that. >> jenna: i am questioning, thinking in my head where exactly it is i should start on this very specific subject because if we want to talk about hunter biden and the laptop and the emails and ukraine and who said what i wanted to just remind everybody that the source of that story is from one specific outlet, "the new york post" which as a new yorker even though i am the philadelphian, is not a place that i go to get a ton of my verified information. but if you want to talk about hunter biden being a subject, the media in general i think i would just echo what cindy mccain was saying in reference to her daughter about how children of politicians or children of big influencers and brands are often put under the magnifying glass in ways that the trump children have and

there's this desperation to grab or sort of mold facts to fit a specific narrative so i just want to remind us all that i think he is the subject of the conversation. i'm not sure he's necessarily teaching a class for a credit, per se. >> emily: jenna, respectfully, part of the issue here is that hunter biden is not a child, he is an adult and he has inserted himself, certainly into the national conversation and in quite visible arenas like sitting on boards and memberships and engaged in quite complex and lengthy criminal proceedings and the like, this is a guy whose text messages were revealed from his father if he begged him to run again, if he doesn't run, everyone will think i'm just a loser, this is a very tortured individual that is no stranger to the limelight because he inserts himself in it to the question back as i don't see this is a misguided spotlight by the media but rather half of them uncovering the truth here in the other half

for some reason lauding him for it, for some reason rewarding him for it with his book tour, giving him a spot as a guest lecturer when many in the country are frankly disgusted by his actions. >> jenna: again, i think i stand exactly where i was in my previous comments, i think it's the same thing that of ivanka ia and jared did, the same thing when meghan mccain joins the view, is individual communication with his father encouraging to raise his hand to be president of the united states is something, he showing himself and trying to increase his tiktok followers or something like that but i do think that hunter in so many of these other sort of ancillary family members in relationship, have come under some interesting and complicated scrutiny from

the media and i think it is worth a conversation, that being sad for it from the conversation around his laptop. >> emily: we have some breaking news that harris has for us. >> harris: yes, the judge in north carolina has just ruled that the media will not be allowed to see the police body cam footage of the deadly shooting of andrew brown jr. we knew that the judge had heard arguments and wrapped up a while ago with lawyers for the media and county officials on whether to release the body camera footage and we also knew that lawyers for a coalition of media companies including the local tv ten were petitioning the judge to order release of the video. what we now know is that the media at least now will not be taking a look at that video footage. we know that the attorney for

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former president trump's personal attorney, rudy giuliani at his residence according to several reports has just had a search warrant served at his residence and they have executed that. i want to go first to emily compagno on this, emily, walk us through what happens when the feds show up with something like this. >> emily: well, it depends on who you are, certainly and given that rudy giuliani is an attorney that meant that there had to be doj oversight and approval before the search warrant was executed so part of the reporting has been that the fbi and prosecutors have been trying to work with the doj for quite some time but apparently given the close proximity to the last election as well as the legal charge led by rudy giuliani himself after the election in terms of contesting it in many states there was a hesitation on the part of the doj to approve that execution and now given the time and

merrick garland as attorney general, clearly those hesitations have been lifted. the execution of a search warrant signals an aggressive new phase of an investigation and it certainly does not happen in the early phases, it means that there is a sufficient or reasonable cause to find that a crime has been committed and there it's described with specificity in the search warrant that there can be evidence of such found in a specific purpose there with a search warrant meaning there was something in that apartment that the fbi and prosecutors believed could prove that evidence is that crime. obviously i am just stating blanket leander generally the process here, we think at this time that it has to do with rudy giuliani's connection with ukraine and potentially the foreign agents registration act in which you are not allowed to lobby the united states government on behalf of a foreign policy or head of state or country without notifying the

doj. that seems to be potential here, it remains to be seen obviously what the purpose is, the agents have not confirmed what is the purpose of the search warrant, we have yet to learn more information, we've just been made aware thus far of the investigation itself and obviously the shift into a different gear given the execution of the search warrant, given the doj's clearly explicit approval of this at this time, harris. >> harris: just a couple things to add to what you said, you know, we know that authorities have been looking at rudy giuliani with potential ties, business dealings to ukraine for several years. so what you're saying, emily is just generally speaking because we don't have the specifics right now confirmed, these are according to several reports but just generally speaking when they've been looking for that long, this would signify a step up, step forward in the intensity, potentially of the investigation, this is a live look outside of the apartment building in

new york city. emily? >> emily: that's correct, harris, it symbolizes not only a shift to a higher gear but given that rudy giuliani is an attorney it signifies the doj approval of it, the removal of the hesitation they've had for the last almost a year given the proximity into our upcoming presidential election, given that one of rudy giuliani's most prominent client was president trump himself, when the subject of the search warrant is an attorney and involves potential dealings with clients it's a heightened standard for the search warrant to be executed, a heightened standard that has to be reached for prosecutors to executed and in the interest of preserving any attorney-client privilege or any type of privilege material there, this does symbolize a higher gear, the investigation itself that we been hearing about for years and a certain level of cooperation by the doj itself now that we've switched administrations and ag has been named and now we have the time

and space that has passed since not only the presidential election but those contesting legal cases that resulted from that election that rudy giuliani was such a primary resource for and driver of, harris. the one you know, and looking at associated press, reuters wires and what's being reported has to do with what might've been seized, this is not our reporting but there are several sources, some of these people in the media say they witnessed or talked with witnesses about this, what's going on. the fbi, by the way, is not commenting one way or the other, they never do on the sorts of investigations or any of their investigations, i should be more generic than that, but with regard to the reporting, what reuters is saying is that they collected or seized electronic devices in particular, emily? >> emily: that's exactly

right, that's what i've seen in the report as well and we know especially in this day and age that an electronic device can encompass everything from communications to documents, emails, it can include even bank records so it really can encompass a multitude of resources of information that can be gathered by electronic devices, certainly and of course in this day and age of communication there's many different messaging platforms where the evidence might be known as what is federal evidence and that creates a heightened time sensitivity for executing the search warrants to ensure that that evidence is preserved. there are different reports -- harris, back to you to you. >> harris: i want to get this end, quickly, rudy giuliani's attorney has just confirmed that this happened today to fox news and he's told us that there is a statement coming very shortly so rudy giuliani, the federal authorities executed a search

warrant at his apartment in manhattan today, the breaking news we are covering, to the left of your screen is a live look outside that apartment building where the feds showed up today, that's in new york city. again, rudy giuliani, former mayor of that great city and former presidential candidate at one point and also former attorney, personal attorney to then-president donald trump. he has let the feds or i should say this has led us to the point where the feds execute the search warrant and different outlets now, media outlets as part of what they might've taken today, electronic devices and emily you were going into some detail about what those can entail. we were waiting now for a statement from rudy giuliani's attorney who just told us moments ago here at fox news that can confirm what's being reported nasa fox news has confirmed with his attorney that

this happened, we will get more details as that statement comes out so emily, talk with me a little bit about the kind of information that the feds would be looking for. we know for reuters, they are reporting that potentially the seizing of electronic devices but does a search warrant, with the kind of notice that you can talk with that individual, how exactly does this generically layout? >> emily: the specificity and particularly outlined in the search warrant, from what i understand thus far is for physical items, rudy giuliani's department, electronic devices, search warrants are generally physical items, they are not for interviews or whatnot, what we know thus far going back to what we know about that investigation is prosecutors have scrutinized, he's one of the officials that

helped him and his associates allegedly in the mission to obtain information in the allegations about potential candidates against president trump and also they argue, they allege that he might've tried tried to influence them in getting the u.s. ambassador removed, examine discussions he's had as well about being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in an apparently unrelated consulting business, these are those allegations and it resulted in a draft retainer agreement but i was never executed so back to your point about potentially the content of that search warrant, what they are uncovering would be any and all evidence supporting those communications, supporting those agreements, supporting any type of a lobbying effort either general or specific, either overt or implied that rudy giuliani might've undertaken at the fbi and prosecutors are alleging here that he might've done so this is a form of emails, the

form of that retainer agreement, are there records of his alleged efforts to remove the ambassador? because remember, to go back to the nexus with the doj, should rudy giuliani have lobbied the american government on behalf of a foreign source, he needed to notify the doj, that is something we know is a topic of the investigation so that, too, would be a purpose of the search warrant, the purpose of the electronics that they are now going to be recovering and in respect to our earlier conversation about what stage does a search search warrant become executed later on, here is? it certainly is not a fishing expedition, it is not a fact-finding expedition per se. when you execute a search warrant you have reasonable standard, reasonable specificity and particularity, you have articulated to a judge in that search warrant with reasonable cause and crimes have been

committed and also that the nexus between what you are searching for, what you are obtaining and that being evidence of that crime. search warrants are executed later in investigations. >> harris: robert costello, the attorney for rudy giuliani confirming that the search warrant was executed at the apartment of rudy giuliani in manhattan today. and that statement is coming shortly and while we await that breaking news to heaven, more details in a statement from rudy giuliani's attorney we will go around here, kayleigh mcenany, rudy giuliani is a former personal attorney for president donald trump when he was in office. and certainly through their every election process last fall and all of that campaigning, this person was with the president quite a bit, your reaction to learning this news today? >> kayleigh: well, as "the new york times" story points out, the war it isn't an

explicit accusation of wrongdoing so we've got to wait for the fax to play out, at the end of the day as with any case we want justice to be served and president biden has promised us an independent doj. i hope that's the case and i hope that's the case for rudy giuliani and on any other person who comes under the scrutiny of the doj. separate and apart from that i remember the early days of the trump administration and michael flynn who became a target, of fbi agents who would not give him an attorney, showed up to interviews, sally eight saying white house counsel should have been informed and we have a note from peter strzok noting about getting michael flynn to lie, i find that out only to say every american regardless of political identity deserves due process, deserves their attorney so i hope that president biden, he promised as an independent doj and i certainly hope that is the case under merrick garland, we will see, time will play out. >> harris: john arnold?

>> jenna: there is a part of me that wants to yield more time to kayleigh because i question what this kind of war intimate suggest about some of the talking points and behaviors not just of the past year about of the past couple of years and i would like to echo kayleigh's sentiment that suggest that everybody, every american should go to the process of a thorough and fair and transparent investigation be it rudy giuliani, be at any claims related to hunter biden going back to earlier in the conversation and to john kerry even earlier than that. so i appreciate everybody's commitment to being really honest and transparent about this. to emily's note that they are probably likely further down the investigation path than just a fishing expedition, definitely causes me to raise my eyebrows a bit more.

>> harris: i am going to go to larry elder now to get your response. >> larry: well, you know, there is a whole lot we just do not know. and after watching four years of politically motivated investigation by the fbi, watching emails from people team, watching hillary get a pass for having a server in her basement, she would not charge, i think we ought to be very, very skeptical and hold our fire and find out the facts whether we decide to giuliani is guilty of committing a crime, we ought to really be concerned about how politicized the fbi has become over the last four years and it's interesting that after president trump leaves all of a sudden his lawyer is served with a warrant. if president trump had won the election would we be talking about this? i doubt it so i think we ought

to be very careful to make sure politics has not seeped into this. >> harris: we always want to know the answer to that question. this has been going on, according to published reports, the investigation of rudy giuliani's potential business dealings or ties to ukraine for several years and as amalie has it shared with us today, her legal perspective on what happens when a search warrant is executed, that this would suggest a certain legal boxes have been checks to get the investigation to maybe go up a bump or go forward so we will cover the facts as we learn them. in fact, let's get some. i want to bring in now david lee miller outside of rudy giuliani's apartment in new york city. david lee, give us the facts as you know them. >> harris, at this hour we are outside mr. giuliani's apartment on the upper east side of manhattan, i'm only a very quiet, residential neighborhood and as you can see we are going

to pan around here for a second and you can see there are now half a dozen news crews that have assembled here outside his apartment building, we are told that mr. giuliani is actually home right now and that the federal authorities who executed the search warrant in this building behind me actually have now left to. according to multiple reports and a confirmation now that we've received from mr. giuliani's attorney, the federal authorities did search his home and apparently they did take away several electronic devices. there are multiple reports that authorities were seeking to look at his phones, this search warrant came about according to a number of reports because authorities have been investigating two men who are associates who are now going to be on trial for unconnected

alleged criminal activity but that copy authorities looking at mr. giuliani's role in the ukraine, authorities want to know to what, if any extent mr. giuliani may have been lobbying illegally on behalf of the ukrainian government without notifying the justice department, that is a crime. they are also looking, we understand, determine what, if any role mr. giuliani had in the ouster of the u.s. ambassador in the ukraine. the ambassador was someone who mr. giuliani thought was not serving the interest of mr. trump and the trump administration and ultimately the ambassador was ousted by mr. trump and the two associates i should very quickly add, harris, that are going to be on trial for unrelated charges to why we are here to day are looking at whether, what role hunter biden and his father, now the president may have had with an energy company in the ukraine, those two associates

are going to be on trial sometime in the fall so again, exactly what the authorities are looking for, still not entirely clear but it is possible to connect the dots and see the direction of this ongoing investigation. again, we understand mr. giuliani is at home in the building behind me, he is not as of yet stepped outside to address this latest activity. harris, back to you. >> harris: we are waiting for his attorney to speak on his behalf through a statement that we, fox news have been told to expect momentarily, getting reporting from david lee miller who is outside of rudy giuliani's apartment on the day that the feds executed a search warrant there. david lee, thank you very much. emily, to come back to you, in terms of the process now and what happens next, we will get that statement from his attorney, understand a little bit more from rudy giuliani,

then may be learned from him specifically about what's next, i'm curious about him legally. >> emily: i have to say oftentimes at this point in the investigation, the subject's attorney has already been working with the prosecutors and with those fbi agents. so i think what we will learn more from the statement here, the direction i need to go in and also whether this was a surprise especially in white-collar crime, there's usually a significant collaboration and conversation between the parties and given how long this investigation has taken, how long the parties have been really deployed researching this and even the public knows so much about it, i'd be curious to hear as well, basically how

much the subject, rudy giuliani himself is aware of this, his attorney will certainly let us know in the upcoming statement and of course to underscore daily mag in's point, everyone innocent until proven guilty, but nearly just the fbi at this point in prosecutors belief of such which is their job. >> harris: and i really appreciated what jan arnold said earlier, jenna, when you said in all of these instances including hunter biden and john kerry, with allegations against both of them, that we wait for the facts and that is the only thing to do with the situation right now and we know that some of them are coming eminently. because the attorney for rudy giuliani, robert costello says there is a statement that will be given to fox news and media shortly. what we do know for certain and our reporter david lee miller has said that for now, rudy

giuliani is inside his apartment and this process has been carried out today, executed a search warrant, we will learn more as we hear from that attorney, thanks everybody for being here. let's go straight away to "reports." >> thank you, harris, top of a brand-new hour and we are following the breaking development on the search warrant carried out in the manhattan apartment of rudy giuliani, fox news learned federal investigators carried out a warrant >> sandra: are following the breaking developments on the search warrant. fox news had learned that federal investigators did carry out a warrant the home today and seized electronic devices. that is about all we have been told zafar. hello, everyone. i am sandra smith. this is "america reports." >> john: i'm john roberts