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>> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. south carolina senator tim scott taking the political spotlight now and reshaping the debate as he earns praise for his republican rebuttal to president biden's first speech before congress. this is to be 24. i am harris faulkner. here today, my cohost, emily compagno, kayleigh mcenany. host of "kennedy" on fox business, kennedy. and charles payne, host of "making money." welcome to you, kennedy and charles. senator scott addressing the division that is plaguing our
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nation. as he aims to unify and inspire, and for those of you who would love to see more, he was a significant portion of that speech from last night, and it is reverberating throughout washington, d.c., and beyond. speak of the beauty of the american dream is that families get to define it for themselves. we should be expanding opportunities and options for all families, not throwing money at certain issues because democrats think they know best. infrastructure spending that shrinks our economy is not common sense. weakening our southern borders and creating a crisis is not compassionate. the president is also abandoning principles he has held for decades. now he says your tax dollars should fund abortions. he's laying groundwork to pack the supreme court. this is not common ground.
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nowhere do we need common ground more desperately than in our discussions of race. i have experienced the pain of discrimination. i know what it feels like to be pulled over for no reason. to be followed around a store while i'm shopping. i remember her every morning at the kitchen table, my grandfather would open a newspaper, read it. but later, i realized he had never learned to read. he just wanted to set the right example. i've also experienced a different kind of intolerance. i get called "uncle tom" by progressives, by liberals. just last week, national newspaper suggested my family's poverty was actually privilege. because of relative owned land generations before my time. believe me, i know firsthand,
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our healing is not finished. last summer, after the death of breonna taylor and george floyd, i built and the even bigger reform proposal. but they blocked it. i extended an olive branch. i offered amendments, but democrats used the filibuster to block the debate from even happening. my friends across the aisle seem to want the issue more than they wanted the solution, but i am still working. i am hopeful that this will be different. we have made tremendous progress, but powerful forces want to follow us apart. most important characteristic, and if they liked a certain way, they were inferior. they are being taught that the
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color of their skin defines them again, and if they look a certain way, they are an oppressor. from colleges to our culture, people are making money and power by pretending that we haven't made any progress at all. by doubling down on the divisions that we have worked so hard to heal. you know this stuff is wrong. hear me clearly. america is not a racist country. it's backwards to fight discrimination with different types of discrimination. and it's wrong to try to use our painful past due dishonestly you shut down, debased. i am an african-american who has lived in the south my entire life. i take voting rights personally. republican support making it easier to vote and harder to cheat. and so do the voters. big majorities of americans support early voting, and big
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majorities support voter i.d., including african-americans and hispanics. common sense makes common ground, but today this conversation has collapsed. the state of georgia passed a law that expands early voting, preserves no excuse mail-in voting, and despite what the president claims, did not reduce this. if you actually read this law, it is mainstream. it will be easier to vote early and georgia than in democrat run new york. but the left doesn't want you to know that. they want people of virtue by yelling about a law they haven't even read. fact-checkers have called out the white house on the statement. the president claims that this is worse than jim crow. what is going on here? i will tell you. a washington power grab.
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this misplaced outrage is supposed to justify democrats new bill that would take over elections for all 50 states. it would send public funds to political campaigns you disagree with and make the bipartisan federal election commission's partisan. this is not about civil riots or our racial past. it's about rigging elections in the future. and a note, the same filibuster that president obama and president biden praised when they were senators, the same filibuster is that the democrats used to kill my police reform bill last year has not suddenly become a racist relic just because the shoe is now on the other foot. race is not a political weapon for every issue. it is far too important. our best future will not come from washington schemas or
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socialist dreams. it will come from you, the american people. black, hispanic, white, and asian. republican and democrat. brave police officers in black neighborhoods. we are family. we are all in this together, and we get to live in the greatest country on earth. the country where my grandfather, in his 94 years, saw his family go from cotton to congress in one lifetime. >> harris: senator tim scott, giving the rebuttal to the president's address before congress last night. charles, what did he accomplish last night? >> charles: well, i think he was able to tell the truth, and that's a major accomplishment, particularly when, for the most part, there are so many roadblocks. there are so many guardians of
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falsehood. so many pushing the ideology. an ideology that, to tim scott, senator scott's point, it is easy to sell when you put -- when you put it in terms of racism. you know, there are so many progressive dreams out there, this progressive utopia that they love to put together, and on their own merits, each of these things, americans will reject. so, they put in front of all of them, it is environmental racism instead of climate change. oh, let's pay for student debt because it is hurting black graduates or dropouts, when the fact, if we were to pay off all of the student debt, 50 or 60% of the recipients would be white professionals who make more money than the people watching the show. i think more than anything else, he got a message out there that we all -- listen. it's a tough discussion if you are going to have an honest discussion. one of the things that has been frustrating to me, harris, on one side, some of the dash it is
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not an indifferent, but the notion that racism is completely gone. and on the other side, stoking fear and hatred based on things that have been a long time ago without acknowledging how far we have come, and if i can quickly, i know we have other panelists. i want to share quick story because my daughter and granddaughter were at the house. i have bought my granddaughter of a book, "the hill we climb." we were taking turns reading stanzas, and there was one part in there where she talked about being a skinny girl, and she mentioned slavery. she was sitting on my knee. she said was that? i kind of explained it to her, and she stopped. she seemed pensive. she said will that happen again? and i said no. and she said why? and i said because i won't let it. and neither will tim scott. no one owns -- no black person owns the pain and agony of racism or discrimination, and i
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am sick and tired of anyone who uses at the wrong way. we have come a long way in this country, and i know we are going to go a lot further. >> harris: amen. and i know you served. i don't know how many people who know that. you served in the military, and you believe these principles. charles, you and i have talked about it before. to your core, you are willing to fight for them. >> charles: my father served in vietnam too. >> harris: kayleigh. >> kayleigh: thank you for your service, charles, but what you just saw was the template for the republican party moving forward. that was optimistic. it was helpful. it was a recognition of american greatness, despite our nation's founding. and when you contrast the two speeches, ask yourself with stomach this. which world do you want to live in? joe biden, where police are systemically racist, where he supports the filibuster, which
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has existed for quite a long time. jim crow. if you support election integrity, you are jim crow. these are his words. or do you want to live in tim scott's world where he acknowledges that racism exists, and we have to root it out wherever we see it, but in a nation that has so much hope, why are we so heavy laden? it feels like our foundation is slipping away, and he ended with the most beautiful words. he said original sin, a biblical term, rooted in the bible, original sin is never the end of the story. redemption is the end of the story. i want to live in tim scott's america. i don't want to live in the america joe biden has pointed that is dark and menacing. i love what tim scott said last night. it is a template for the party moving forward. >> harris: kennedy, how important was it to have a unity message and a positive tone last night? i mean, coming out of president joe biden, as he has laid out, what he had to say, for more than an hour, how
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important is it that it is a part of his goal last night? >> kennedy: it is important that you don't blow it like marco rubio did a few years ago, and it is nice because we are talking about the speech. we are talking about the theme. tim scott speaks from the theme on the side of freedom. he is on the right side there. it is so hard to believe that people who are woke and antiracist are calling him names, but they do. and why would he want to be part of a group of people who tagged him with such horrible, horrible epithets constantly. #uncletim was trending after the speech before they finally disabled the hashtag, and you know, i thought that he spoke very straightforwardly. a lot of people have heard his name, but they have not heard his message. they have not heard from him, and that was critical for him to talk about. also economic success.
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economic success starts with individuals and families. if you spend too much, you taxed too much, you shrink the economy. you destroy opportunity for all sorts of families and individuals. >> harris: emily, your quick thoughts on the speech last night? >> emily: i think there is a difference between hearing and listening. and when you heard the message that senator scott was putting forth, as charles pointed out, it was far more unifying than president biden speech, far more unifying than anything that the democratic party is putting forth right now. it was so reasonable. he said common sense breeds common ground, and race is a far too important issue, using it as a political weapon for everything, and i thought to kayleigh's point about the hopefulness and the inspiring message of the party moving forward where he said this is an agent of all colors. he named so many.
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he said we are not adversaries. we are all family. i have to admit, i was pretty startled, harris, by an interview you had in your last hour where the former advisor to clinton said it seems to me that the senator was just speaking to trump space and acting like the insurrection was ra-ra and totally peaceful. i was so shocked because clearly this gentleman had only listened and had not heard the message coming forth. this message was one of unity. he spoke specifically to everyone in america, and he said it was one family, so how could that message has been construed as only speaking to a certain group of people that the left has now decried to. that the left has only condescension for, has only vitriol for. the problem is when you take such broad strokes, when you expect monolithic voting, when you expect a certain behavior from someone just from the color of their skin or a box that you think they checked or squeeze
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into, you admonish them as a pour in. that an exception. i think it is foul. >> harris: let me give you an example. >> kayleigh: the example that he leads and continues to lead, that he is his own person, and should end up eat something that we strive for? >> harris: so, kennedy, you mentioned a couple of things that we want to get you now. that hashtag. #uncletim. that was trending for hours. approximately 11 hours. the left taking their attacks on senator tim scott to a new level. it was disgusting. twitter being criticized for allowing the racial slur, #uncletim, which is a take on uncle tom, to trend before taking it down. reacting today. >> intolerance often comes from the left with words like uncle tim and the n-word being used
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against me. last night, what was trending on social media, #uncletim. they double down on this concept of liberal oppression. it is stunning in 2021 that those who speak about ending discrimination want to end it by more discrimination. >> harris: so, kennedy, you said the woke and the antiracist crowd, blah, blah, blah. if you are woke enough to have retweeted or been part of that hashtag, #uncletim, you are not antiracist. you are the definition of racist. charles. >> charles, go ahead. you take this one. >> charles: you know, i was lucky enough because you just mentioned, my father has served. we lived all over the world. i discovered real racism. i lived in alabama, and there was palpable fear and anxiety amongst black people in the ' 60s and '7 days.
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they talk about white supremacy. it is used so incorrectly. i find that to be progressives. i find that to be manhattanites. i find that to be these folks -- >> harris: really? >> charles: they write checks to the naacp. go to their office. see how many black people work for them because mike see if they would give a black person a real chance at anything other than the mailroom. we use the term "white supremacy" all wrong. they are the ones who tweeted #uncletim, and i can guarantee you right now, the woman who called the police on the guy in central park, she wrote checks to the obama administration. push comes to shove -- >> harris: fascinating, isn't it? >> charles: yeah. >> harris: you find out the truth about people if you just watch and listen to them, which is what emily was giving us some information about.
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so, forgive me there because kennedy, i was going to charles. i do want to come back to kennedy on this. twitter -- there is no machine getting that to the top of the trending pile. #uncletim. those were human beings, and somehow, senior management or somebody at twitter thought it was a good idea to let a human decide that as part of their policy. i don't know. but they let it sit there for longer than i ever get to sleep now. >> kennedy: yes, and how quickly did they take down "the new york post" story about hunter biden and disable their account? they did that very quickly. and if there is going to be reciprocity, there has to be a universal standard here. and i'm sorry, but that's racist language. you are targeting a person, not for what he says, not for what he believes, but because of the color of his skin. and that is oppressive,
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authoritarian behavior, and if you can't stand for one side, you shouldn't let it stand for the other. and twitter has a large enough market cap that they can do this. they are on the west coast. his rebuttal and did a lot earlier on the west coast. disabling it sooner. >> harris: well, here's what's really sad. maybe they were aware of it. maybe they didn't see a problem with that. no matter what time zone you're in, it feels like it is on purpose. if it is on purpose, you have to ask why that is and keep it from happening again. kayleigh, go ahead. >> kayleigh: absolutely, great point. there should be some accountability here. we watched him come before accountability congress. absolutely unacceptable about this racist attack on him was allowed to trend for seven years. call jack dorsey end, and ask
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him questions, the same with senator tim scott reaches across the aisle, they need to extend the hand back and say as two parties together, we reject this behavior, and we will ask questions. >> harris: that is a brilliant idea. i wish you are -- hold on just a second. kayleigh, i wish you were still in the washington loop enough to set that meeting up. i want to press into that a little bit. those meetings don't just happen. somebody has to make that decision. >> kayleigh: it would be chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. they are the ones who call the shots. they are the ones who should show real leadership here, extend the message of unity beyond that biden inauguration speech, and actually unify around ending racism on social media and elsewhere. so schumer and pelosi, it is up to you. >> harris: we have got to go. emily, forgive me. we let this go a little bit longer, and it's been a great conversation. we have this to get to next.
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>> lets and i are exhausting warren immigration. 430 years, politicians have talked about immigration reform, and we have done nothing about it. it's time to fix it. >> emily: but how is president biden going to fix it? especially after fox news has just learned that i sworn to the white house that the new guidance would lead to a 50% reduction in arrests of illegal immigrants. now some democrats are even wondering if the president can help solve the crisis.
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>> this obviously has been the biggest problem that has cropped up in his first 100 days. it has continued to be a festering sore. he did talk about assigning the vice president to try and resolve some of the issues that are leading to the crisis. he did not offer a solution, particularly. >> emily: charles, i come to you first for your topline thoughts on this. >> charles: last week, i explained how his policies would make this a whole lot worse. every democrat talked about having open borders. they push back against the notion that -- they suggested that if you are not in that kind of line of thinking, you are xenophobic. but i want you to understand, as these tax proposals keep
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happening, taxes get higher and higher, it is going to hurt small business owners. people who have lawn care businesses, florences, those kinds of businesses. they are going to have to hire immigrants who would do those jobs for last. here is the irony. their taxes are going to go to pay its americans who are not working and he refused to take those jobs, so the immigration issue will only grow larger in scale. the welfare state will only grow larger in scope. our debt will go through the roof, and the sort of anxiety, that's frustration that everybody feels, to borrow a word i just heard, will fester more and more. for president biden to say it's exhausting is amazing because he hasn't done anything except encourage this. what is he tired about? why is he so exhausted? if those folks down in the border states that are exhausted. >> harris: amen. >> emily: and kayleigh, even mike kelly responded after the address last night and said the same thing. what he didn't say was a plan to
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address the immediate crisis at the border. so, clearly, the president is not listening to a large portion of the population. he is also not listening to his party senators. >> kennedy: assured. vice president, harris was asked what is the plane? she had no answer to that question. biden yesterday referenced the comprehensive immigration plan. when you read that plan, it doesn't include border security. even president obama back in 2014 cellblock, i will give you border security yesterday as long as i get a little bit of my way. came up with something that was an idea, but at least it had border security and adhered biden's' plan, if you have been deported, you can have a path to citizenship. this is insane, and it just increases the problem on our border and doesn't provide a remedy in the form of the wall that was already being built. >> emily: kennedy, during "america's newsroom" on this network earlier, john sula came
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on and set i try to meet with local officials. their hands are tied, he said. every day, i encounter tons of people on my property, and i call them, and it is made clear to me, their hands are tied. he said we are helpless. meanwhile, the local officials just refer me of the chain here they said take it up with your congressmen and your senators, but that is falling on deaf ears or the presidents deaf ears. >> kennedy: congress is a body that really has to act here, and they are not doing anything. david axelrod was right when he talked about the festering sort of immigration. the president has to give specifics, and they are not going to get immigration reform right now which means one at a time. and they have to do it with republicans on board. there are plenty in border states who are all used when it comes to the solutions. you have to be realistic about how immigration is going to look in this country when all you
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state and what it means for the rest of the country now and what it will always mean for those who love and care about you the most. i am wowed by what you have done and how you did it. this was very hard. i know it's not over, but obviously i love the other brother. obviously i will never be objective. obviously i think you're the best politician in the country. >> emily: kennedy, i will come to you first. >> kennedy: that was so beautiful. thank you. thank you so much, emily. that is such hot malarkey. it is absolutely disgusting. not only was governor cuomo and his aides, not only were they hiding those numbers and trying to bamboozle grieving families here they were setting a template for other states like pennsylvania and new jersey and michigan, who were using the same playbook to hide it death and grant immunity to rehabilitation centers. and it's awful. the governor said who cares? they care.
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it means quite a bit to them. because it dishonors their legacy, and i'm glad more of the truth is coming out, but what i want to know is we are getting drips and drops. the governor stepped in it when he said that the women who accused him of sexual impropriety were jealous. that is so incredibly offensive, and i hope that all of this catches up to him, and the brothers will be gone for good. >> emily: harris, your thoughts? >> harris: well, if the world wanted to know if there existed an actual living a heart donor, it might be governor cuomo. and if you are working around him and taking directions from him on this particular issue while you are pitching a book, what does that make that person? where they held captive? could they not speak out? speak up. we know reports, even coming from people like other democrats who say that that guy is a bully, and he would keep those people from talking, but now he
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just needs a fax, and if he doesn't want to give them to us, let's dig deeper with the people around him. >> emily: indeed. charles. >> charles: speaking of going deeper, this guy is a jerk. an insufferable full. now he is a dangerous, really a very dangerous narcissist, and you know, i am pretty sure that there have been so many signs, particularly among those who have worked with and around him for a long time, and i know that the new cycle is such that things fade away. this can't fade away. what is happening with him, what has happened under his watch, it cannot fade away. i am glad we are doing the segment. the harsh public spotlight because what he has been involved in and what happened under his watch, it is hard to believe. then he profited by millions of dollars on top of it.
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>> emily: kayleigh, it's also ironic that new york just lost a congressional state seat because of 89 people. i wonder if they could have come from the exorbitant nursing home death. >> kayleigh: have got to ask a question. why is the biden administration allowing governor cuomo to do this? president trump lead those when i was in the white house. apparently biden called into one -- or none, excuse me. kamala harris was called into one for 5 minutes, and they are letting the guy responsible for these nursing home death lead the governor calls on covid? this is appalling. this should be reported on more. he should not be leading this. >> emily: well, and to charles point, we will continue talking about here for sure appeared all right. just ahead, many in the media attacking tim scott's response while at the same time showing the present with praise. with media bias on full display
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resides. >> this is a lost opportunity. tim scott has an opportunity to make his mark on criminal justice reform, and this isn't going to do it. speak up a lot of african-americans by the tens of millions when he said america is not a racist nation. there is a reason they put him up. he's the best they've got. he can give them a message. he can talk about it. he can try to polish up all of the republican nonsense without the sharp edges, better than the rest of them. >> harris: we are going to do a lightning round here. not a lot of time for it. i'm going to start with charles. just your reaction to what some of the other commentators are saying. >> charles: i sincerely believe that all of those rebuttals we heard were written, put in a teleprompter hours before tim scott even spoke. [laughs] they were going to say that, no matter what he said last night. that was their talking points because they have their own agenda. bottom line.
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>> harris: kayleigh, as i come to you, little bit of news. we know that a short time ago, senator tim scott wrapped up a meeting with the family of george floyd and the attorney, ben crump. among them, george's brother and also the mom of eric garner. you want to talk about who is serious about terminal justice reform, take a look at the leadership that is talking with these families today. the plan is to have that be bipartisan, but that videos coming out of senator tim scott's office. >> kayleigh: he talked this morning about being with 20 families who lost their loved ones to an incident with the police officer. i was in that room with senator tim scott and president trump yet i saw this family's tears. i saw him build bridges. this is the kind of leadership we should have in washington. let's do a place reform bill. absolutely. but let's make sure that we acknowledge most police officers are good, heroic people. senator tim scott has built bridges, and as you saw, the
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media tears us apart. >> harris: all right, kennedy, for we come to you, let's take another look at the media applauding president biden speech. >> i think the president has decided the american people need me to come in and be a healing balm, and i think you are seeing that as a core part of his philosophy and ideology. let's bring the temperature down. less partisanship. >> he is really trying to bring the country together. it was a make america feel good night. make america feel pride night. >> supporting this bill. he saw the bill. it is a remarkable speech from this presidents. >> harris: i don't know what they made him do there. stepped away. i'm not really sure.
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>> kennedy: i guess i was on loan from chris matthews. come on, people appear let's be a little bit honest here. it was remarkable. he didn't fall asleep in the middle of his speech. and tim scott is the best that they've got. that is why people are so worried about him. >> harris: emily. >> emily: that last one that we played reminded me that in liberal seattle, i've never seen more american flags hung from home then after the biden election because there's only a few people like myself who fly about american flag all the time, every day of the year, no matter who is in the office of the commander in chief. and i know also because of of the four members media, it also includes them perpetuating that racial slur on twitter. former msnbc host and the senior writer enjoy reading and continue to call justice clarence thomas "uncle
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clarence." not just praising biden and in stark contrast to how they received senator scott's messaging. >> harris: using their platform to further racial slurs and attitudes. amazing. but they get away with it. setting the wrong example. being accused of undermining confidence in the coronavirus vaccine by requiring masks and social distancing last night, despite being fully vaccinated and what the cdc says we ought to be doing. ♪ ♪ because we all deserve an answer. it demands a better understanding of your glucose levels, so you can enjoy movie night. and knowing your baby is getting the nutrition he needs, no matter how you choose to feed him. at abbott, we fight for these moments, developing life-changing technologies. because dignity demands it. ♪ ♪
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>> after he delivers the republican response. why did it take twitter so long to take it down? we all wait and hear new york mayor bill de blasio announced a july 1st is the day that new york reopens. could this lead the way for other democrat run cities? and what was with all of the masks that the president's speech last night? and a woman whose mother died in a new york nursing home joins us on new revelations that the cuomo administration hit the death toll for months. joining me and sandra smith at the top of the hour for "america reports." >> emily: thanks, john.
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you couldn't miss the masks. democrats are being accused of political theater and setting the wrong example by requiring members of congress to mask up last night. all this, despite the new cdc guidelines that eased restrictions on those who have been vaccinated. they kept us safe social distance and a chamber that can seat 1600. kayleigh, i will start with you on this. >> kayleigh: it was interesting. they were 6 feet apart, but then they all congregated together in one area, seemingly in defiance of the very edicts that they had set out. very interesting there. not surprising from president biden, who took a 40 5-second walk in a mask adjust to announce that he didn't need a mask outside of your just now before we came to air, on camera yet again, fully vaccinated with first lady jill biden, wearing masks outside in defiance of cdc guidance. >> emily: charles, doesn't does demonstrate a lack of faith in the vaccine or cdc
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guidelines? >> charles: bingo! bingo! bingo! president biden keeps imploring us to take the vaccine, and yet after taking it, he still needs to mask. what do i follow? his actions are his words? is this guy doesn't have faith in the vaccine, why should i take it? that's what people are thinking. that's why you have up to 25 to 30% of americans who are reluctant. if it works, enjoy it. let's get back to some normalcy so that we can live our lives. how about that? [laughs] >> emily: kennedy, i think some people are going to be buried with their masks on. >> kennedy: yes, and for some people, that might be a good thing. it is nice for those two faced hypocrites in washington to keep everything covered, but i will say that we are going to have two americas. one where you can go to baseball games, dine outside, have a great time. and the other one where they want you to live in masks.
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i want to go to the fun place. >> emily: indeed. harris? >> harris: well, there is no vaccine for stupidity, so if they don't want to continue to call the cdc a liar by not following the guidelines, i mean, i really don't understand what democrats are doing last night, mandating that when they have all been fully vaccinated. the cdc says we can get together with other people who have been fully vaccinated. if you go outside, you don't need a mask. they are modeling the messaging. they are taking the prevaccine message inside to the hall that is socially distanced, and in the end, kayleigh says, let's get together. maybe they won't notice that we are breaking our own rules. my god, it must reek of that cheap cologne hypocrisy. but it smells and looks like hypocrisy from here, and it is not going to include or encourage anybody about thinking okay, maybe they get the vaccine because it makes life better, as
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charles says. hold that july 4th barbecue. don't let these people tell you not to go outside. don't listen to them. unless they are going to live up to it. we are waiting. >> emily: exactly. we all going to be at kennedy's house at the barbecue. all right, thank you to everyone so much today. thank you for watching. "america reports" -- your equit. turn it into cash now, while mortgage rates are near all time lows. the newday 100 va cash out loan lets you borrow up to 100% of your home's value. you could take out more than $50,000. use it to improve your home. pay off high rate debt. pay for big expenses. or put it in the bank for real peace of mind. now's the time to use your va home loan benefit to get cash before mortgage rates begin to rise. call now.
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