i appreciate your support. i appreciate being right here with you. see you next time. next, tucker carlson. ♪♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson." happy friday. a lot going on. big trends, too. you think about it, you often wonder what is going on. for quite some time, we've wondered what is going on with congressional republicans. a lot of nice people in the republican party. but the point of political party is not to be nice. it's to represent the interests of its voters. that's the only reason political parties exist in the first place. there's no other reason to have them, except to represent their own voters. yet year after year on issue after issue, the leadership of the republican party fails to

represent its voters. we're not guessing about that. we know what republican voters care about. they tell pollsters all the time. since they kept getting ignored in 2016, they elected donald jump just to make it incredibly clear what they cared about. if that wasn't a wake-up call, nothing would be. yet nothing really changed it remains true as of right now that the priorities of the people who run the political party are very different n some cases completely different from the priorities of the people who vote republican. why is that? well, there are a lot of reasons for it probably, but frank lunz is definitely one of those reasons. dr. frank lunz is the republican party's longest-serving message man. for decades, frank has told elected republicans what to say and precisely how to say it. lunz massages language for politicians. he does it now. just this week, in fact, the national republican congressional committee, the

nrcc, invited lunz to florida for the so-called policy summit where he was asked to weigh in on the hot topic. his job was to tell officeholders, people of power, how to think about the most important issues of the day. we didn't hear the presentation. no doubt it was compelling. frank lunz is a smooth salesman. that's why he's been around for awhile. the problem with frank lunz is his views, his personal views are very different from those of your average republican voter. frank lunz is a conventional liberal. his main clients are left-wing corporations like google. when frank lunz gives advice to congressional republicans, he's got google's perspective in mind. that's a huge problem. we wanted to talk to lunz about all of this on this show tonight. nothing personal but it's interested and important. we texted him an invitation this morning but he didn't respond. that's odd because we've known him well for a long time in 2019, for example, he streeted us this greeting which tells you a lot about the kind of person that frank lunz is.

>> this thanksgiving, let's give thanks to the men and women of the fbi, cia and the intel services. that's literally what the message said. it's on the screen. even on thanksgiving, frank lunz takes time to bow before the powerful. why does frank luntz remain a texture in republican politics at a time when the companies he works for are opposed to the republican party explicitly so? in part because he's particularly close to the house minority leader kevin mccarthy of california and has been since mccarthy entered politics. in an interview earlier this year, luntz described kevin mccarthy as a personal friend. that relationship gives frank luntz outside influence over the republican party's policy position. the big one, take the border crisis. frank luntz view of immigration is much like google's view of immigration. america needs a lotted more immigration right away and anyone who disagrees with that is a racist. now, rather than simply say that out loud, rather than make the

case for his own opinion, frank luntz slyly dresses up his own personal opinions at social time. he'll conduct something called a focused group, moderated conversation between several people that has, in fact, no actual relevance to anything. it's just random people yammering. 90-second exchange with the ups man this morning meant more than a frank luntz '' focus group. he manages to make pronouncements about the country and how the republican party should respond to it. most of those pronouncements, as you can imagine, tend to comport perfectly with his own views as well as with the views of google executives. axios recently reported on luntz' findings immigration. what did frank luntz supposedly find out about immigration? it turns out according to frank luntz that republican voters, in fact, are dying to give amnesty to as many foreign nationals as

they possibly can. they're demanding it. right away! it's a top priority for them. watch. >> they believe in immigrants, in immigration. they're pro-immigration. hostly, i was a little -- honestly, i was a little bit surprised because of what i see reported in the media. trump voters support the dream act. they supports the ability of these -- they the ability of these people who are brought here through no fault of their own, the ability to earn a path to citizenship. we need these people. we actually have an economy that is expanding, that's growing. >> tucker: i was a little surprised to find out deep-down republican voters agree with me and google. we were not surprised. we're all children of immigrants, he told us. we need these people that may be entirely true, or maybe it's not true. we can debate it. but frank luntz doesn't want to debate it, although he didn't come on tonight. he wants, instead to pretend his personal opinions are established fact and that the republican party had better

listen to them and obey. open borders activists immediately seized upon lunts' research to justify what they were already doing keeping the borders open. the national immigration form tweeted out a link right away. daca has bipartisan support, the group wrote, pointing to frank luntz' opinions posing as research as evidence of that. passing the dream act is an opportunity to make real, meaningful progress. do you see? amnesty has brought bipartisan support! there's a national consensus in favor of opening the border, so republicans better get on board because frank luntz' research proves they desperately want it. this is pretty close to fraud actually. who is served by it? that's always the question in washington. well, frank luntz' corporate clients are served by it, of course, but also the democratic party is served by it, a party whose priorities frank luntz appears to support. here he is back in 2012 telling

the rest of us that according to his highly scientific surveys of a dozen people in some shopping mall somewhere, most americans actually really want the government to take their guns away. >> the public wants guns out of the schools, not in the schools and they're not asking for a security official or someone else. i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun. not every gun should be available at any time anywhere for anyone. >> tucker: yeah. most people agree. notice the language there. did you listen carefully to that? you can protect the second amendment even as you gut it. it's just commonsense gun control. most americans are for that. who does that sound like? it sounds a lot like joe biden, a man frank luntz has been friends with for a long time. check out the note from frank

luntz to hunter biden on hunter's laptop. what you just heard in that clip were democratic party talking points. but if you'd like more, there's this. this is an interview from last summer in which frank luntz explains that the phrase "law and order" is somehow offensive to most americans. keep in mind that at the very moment frank luntz was saying this, american cities were on fire. people were dying. why? because there was no law and no order. >> it's critical we use the words law and order. he's assuming that we have the same politics as 1968. donald trump doesn't realize that you can governor -- that you can goff in a strong -- that you can govern in a strong, stable, successful way and still use language that is warm and kind and empathetic. >> tucker: yeah, stopping rides is not warm and kind and empathetic. doesn't help equity. if that sounds a lot like

something a corporate hr executive might say u shouldn't be surprised about that. as we told you a minute ago, lunts' main business is not helping the republican party. no, his main business is work for left-wing companies that despise the republican parties and are horrified by republican voters and everything that they believe. frank luntz' long list of corporate clients include jeff bezos' amazon, facebook, nike, coca-cola, disney, delta air lines and the chamber of commerce. these are the people that pay frank luntz' bill in his spare time, frank luntz tells kevin mccarthy how to run the republican party. you can do one. you can't do both. you can see the conflict here. and you wonder how has this been allowed to continue? in case you think we're overstating frank luntz' allegiance to corporate power, take a look at his twitter feed sometime if you're ever bored, "delta employees made them the top-rated airline" he wrote last january in what sounded very much like a press release. that's something only good workers could do. not shareholders.

then not long ago when donald trump called for boycotting coca-cola and delta air lines after they interfered in a very shocking way, right in the middle of georgia's political system, lunts came to the defense of them. of course, they're his clients. this left-wing cancel culture is out of control, he wrote mockingly. you've to wonder if coca-cola and delta air lines sent him a bonus for that. we don't know. they should have. either way, toadying for big corporations clearly pays well. here is frank luntz showing off the replica of the oval office he had built in his home. >> where are you? >> it was very kind of donald trump to give me his office. i'm very fortunate. this is real. this is -- this is a chair. this is not a photograph. in actually my home in california. this is the 78% replica of the oval office and over here as i turn this around, this is the lincoln bedroom. i'm the only person who has an

oval office that you can actually sleep in and you don't have to be a presidential intern. and this is a genuine resolute desk. i'm going to put it there behind me so you can see including the buck stops here. >> wow! >> we've got the -- this from bill clinton. let's see if i can get this in the shot. there you go. these are couches from bill clinton. this is the whole thing. >> tucker: obviously, you could be pretty mean about that. pretty weird. but the point of this is not to attack frank luntz personally. nice enough guy. the question to ask is what is really going on here? would you take medical advice, for example from frank luntz? should you have to? if you listened to him recently, very much wants you to take the vaccine. vaccines are great. only a crazy person wouldn't get the shot. frank luntz hasn't said a lot, however, about his long-time work for pfizer.

huh, that's weird. nor does he brag about his work for purdue pharma. remember that company? perdue pharma is the company that got rural america addicted to opioids. in 2003 as the opioid -- [indiscernible] frank luntz urged people to take more oxycontin. i'm a proponent of the pharmaceutical industry, frank luntz told pbs, i'm a supportive of a very famous medication right now, oxycontin because i think this is a miracle drug which allows people to get through the day. some people frank luntz acknowledged "want to see oxycontin taken off the market" but not frank luntz. he was taking money from purdue pharma. "i believe there are things worth fighting for." yeah, apparently. a lawsuit files against purdue pharma by the state of massachusetts in 2019 includes multiple references to frank luntz.

according to the suit, explants his company helped purdue pharma ways to deflect blame for purdue's addicted drugs. state of vermont filed a similar lawsuit against perdue pharma. it mentioned frank luntz. according to the lawsuits, lunts proposed perdue pharmaadapt a strategy of emphasizing "key messages that work." those words were spelled in all caps for emphasis. one of those messages -- and we're quoting -- is not addiction. it's abuse. it's about personal responsibility. right. so your 19-year-old just died of a drug o.d. after perdue pharma flooded your town with addictive narcotics, but stop complaining. it's her fault she died. it's about personal responsibility. this is the guy republican leaders just went to this week for "messaging guidance on hot topics." you wonder why you no longer

recognize the party that you vote for. pedro gonzalez is a senior writer with american greatness. he joins us tonight. pedro, thanks so much for coming on look, i -- i -- i don't want to be unfair to frank luntz who is not an evil person and i don't want to suggest that. and i don't think he's the cause for the republican party's problems. i do think, however, he's a is symptom, clearly a symptom of them -- he is a symptom, clearly a symptom of them. what's the parti' reliance on frank luntz, who is a liberal, tell you about their priorities? the leadership of the priorities? >> in the 90's we faced a crime wave and had a consensus on getting tough on crime. it worked. it kept people safe. today as homicide rates soar to historic highs, we have a consensus from republicans like tim scott with joe biden about getting soft on crime in part because guys like lunts are advising policy. democrats and their allies are going to continue getting everything that they want until the right learns to fight its own party and demands fighters

for it. i'll give you an overview of what republicans are up to across the country. in texas, republicans, although they have the upper hand over democrats there, have sandbagged a transgender sports bill. the texas republican legislature is also dragging its feet on passing a bill that will prohibit the chemical castration of minors. republicans -- in north dakota following in the footsteps of republicans, asa hutchison and cristie nome, the republican governor there, doug vetoed a republican sports bill. the republican-held senate upheld the veto. josh holly was the only republican to vote no against lunatic hyper politicized hate crime bill which of course kansas republican senator jerry moran was instrumental in putting together. moran recently got endorsed by trump, by the way. republicans also took the idiotic position of condemning the left and maxine waters' intimidation of the chauvin jury and then celebrating the outcome of that trial and promising more soft on crime policies which is

the same exact thing the democratic party wants. and i don't think it was an accident that on wednesday night when tim scott responded to joe biden, he had one short insubstantial throw away line about immigration because congressional republicans right now are talking with the democratic party about putting together an amnesty deal. >> tucker: it's also stunning to me that at a time when corporate america -- not all corporations but the biggest ones for sure -- have aligned as one against republican voters. that republican leaders are still doing their bidding and hiring frank luntz who works for them to tell them what to say. when are they going to realize who their enemies are? >> they're going to realize that when they start to feel afraid of their voters. and i think this is not going to change, because you and i can burn the house down every night on tv but it's not going to change until republicans feel afraid, feel accountable, in

other words, to their own voters. and i think that republican voters need to stop viewing the party as an ally and start viewing it as an instrument, something to be whipped into shape and not relied upon, because there is no plan but what we make. >> tucker: wow, that's deep and true! just to restate, and i'll end with this, republican voters need to understand the party not as an ally but as an instrument of their will, right? it's a democracy, and realize the party won't change until they make it change. is that a fair recap? >> absolutely. the republican party is an instrument to be willed, not something to rely on because they're going to stab you in the back. there's this line from reagan that someone who is on your side 80% of the time is a friend and an ally, not a 20% traitor. well, when that 20% constitutes the most important exessential issues and on the 20% they stab you in the back all the time, that's not a friend.

that's a traitor. >> tucker: pato gonzalez. thank you for that. great to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: so a pentagon whistle-blower is now warning that the so-called intel community has failed again. but on a subject that's not small, in fact, it may be the biggest story in the history of mankind. they didn't see it coming. i'll tell what you it is after the break.

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now you get to talk about them with your friends, no matter what time it is. say "watchathon" into your voice remote and watch for free >> tucker: we spent time reporting on this story. we should have spent a lot more time because this could be the most consequential thing to happen to this country. in june, the u.s. government is set to release a public report on everything it knows about ufo's. the head of the advanced aerospace threat identification program spoke to the "new york post" about what that report will show. according to him, we'll find an intelligence failure on the part of the u.s. intel community on the level of 9/11. >> last time we had an

intelligence failure of this country, a major one, which was 9/11, it took us almost three years to come up with the 9/11 commission report. ok? takes a long time. let's just go down the rabbit hole here for just a second and just assume this is adversarial foreign technology that several years now managed to leapfrog us and evade all 18 members of the intelligence community, despite our intelligence imagery, intelligence, yadda, yadda, yadda, ok? that would be an intelligence failure that would eclipse anything else this country's ever faced especially if this has occurred for decades that there's a foreign adversary that could put a nuclear warhead within moments over washington d.c., ok? that's a problem. >> tucker: yeah. that's a problem. too few have considered it from that perspective. nick pope is a former ministry of defense official from the uk and perfectly positioned to answer the obvious question which is why didn't we see this

coming? he joins us now. nick, thank you so much for coming on. lou made a solid point and i'm embarrassed i hadn't thought of it before that this is among other things -- whatever these objects are -- a potentially very grave threat to nation states. where was the intelligence community in warning about this and learning more about it? where were they? >> well, that has to be answered, absolutely! we are under siege. it's like there's a war of nerves going on and if this was drones belonging to a foreign adversary, there would be an absolute outcry! and yet the situation we're in, we don't know what these things are and they might even be extraterrestrial, that's worse. agree with lewis on this. this is a potential catastrophic failure of intelligence and if it happened because skeptical bureaucrats were just saying to themselves it can't be, therefore it isn't, then there

must be a reckoning. >> tucker: so you say -- and that is such a great point and nicely put -- but you described it as a siege. give our viewers who don't follow this topic closely a sense of the magnitude of data coming in about these encounters. >> yeah, i mean, this is absolutely extraordinary and every day it seems like new information drops, things that the public and the media weren't told so for example former director of national intelligence john ratcliff just threw into the conversation the other day the fact that the satellite imagery of all of this and some of the speeds being reported seem to blow the theory about foreign drones out of the water. we must be told what is going on here. and we should think of this upcoming report to congress as an intelligence assessment of the phenomenon itself and one that's long overdue. >> tucker: there are a lot of these. this is not like, you know, some

drunk guy in a rural road in northern new hampshire saw something weird. i mean, this is the u.s. military regularly very often recording these objects. >> yes, absolutely. it's pilots, it's radar operators, it's satellite data, it's measurement and signature intelligence. there's such a lot of information now, so much that the u.s. navy has instructions for its pilots on what to do if they encounter these things. now, i think as we go into may, the run up to this report going to congress, there's going to be a lot of things going on behind the scenes a lot of politicking, jockeying for position, factions, trying to kind of have their say on this. i anticipate more leaks of information, photos, videos, documents. there's a lot more to come here. >> tucker: nick pope has been on this for so long. i appreciate your steadfast commitment to answering obvious

questions. what is this? thank you. good to see you. >> thanks. >> tucker: so some of the most powerful organizations in the world are not governments or so called ngo's, nongovernmental organizations. they control policy in a lot of places. now some of them are pushing for race-based medical care. this is an associate editor of the washington free beacon and has chartered this shocking trend. he joins us. aaron, thank you so much for coming on. >> thanks. >> tucker: can you be specific for us. what do you mean race-based medical treatments? what are they pushing for? >> so a couple months ago, doctor at brigham women's hospital in boston named michelle morris proposed offering preferential care based on race to black and latino patients. specifically, she said there would be a preferential admissions option at the hospital's cardiac care specialists for those patients. now, it's not clear that that's actually gone anywhere at the

hospital but morris has certainly gone somewhere. she's now the chief medical officer of new york city where she'll be overseeing new york city's entire hospital system. >> tucker: this would seem to violate the fundamental tenant of american society which is you don't intentionally try to hurt people or kill people because of their skin color. how could this be legal in this country? >> oh, well, there's a straight-forward answer. it's not and they acknowledge as much. in the proposal, dr. morris says explicitly, this might violate our color-blind system of law, probably in reference to the civil rights act. so, no, it's not legal but they just don't care. >> tucker: i mean, if you wanted to convince people there was an organized effort to kill them -- you don't want to convince people of that. you don't want it to be true. but would you say stuff like this, wouldn't you? >> look, so, you know, what they will say is that this is about rectifying healthcare

disparities and healthcare disparities do exist. >> tucker: yes. >> but instead of just acknowledging and addressing the disparities through race-neutral means which i think people of all good will would support, they're not just saying that. they're saying we should address it through racial discrimination and they're quite explicit about this. all the documents they site, critical theorists, the works, they're all quite explicit about this assumption. >> tucker: so when you punish people because of the color of their skin, something they can't control, none of us can, in a healthcare setting, i mean, what you're basically saying is some people's lives are more valuable than others. you're saying that out loud. >> well, yeah and i'll give you a good example. so in vermont recently, they said that people of color, specifically black, indigenous and people of color, they use that acronym, they can get the coronavirus vaccine before white people. um, and by the way, your initial segment was on, you know, the

g.o.p. being out of step with its voters, well, um, you know, it was a republican governor who actually went along with that. >> tucker: yeah, well, as is so often the case, but that's not even a partisan question. that's a moral question. that's immoral. we should say so. i appreciate your reporting on this. everyone ignores it. you didn't. so thank you. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: so the cdc has just said you don't actually have to wear a mask outside anymore. no one told joe biden. we've got the documenttary evidence. we'll be right back. (vo) jamaica. (woman) best decision ever. (vo) feel the sand between your toes, and the gentle waves of the sea on your skin.

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>> tucker: one of the great surprises of the biden administration, there doesn't appear to be a lot of following of science going on over in the white house. we're not speculating. the cdc director announced that you don't need to constantly disinfect surfaces to prevent the spread of coronavirus. watch. >> in most situations, regular

cleaning of surfaces was open. [indiscernible] it's enough to reduce the risk of covid-19 spread. >> tucker: ok, she runs the cdc. joe biden doesn't believe her at all. biden's handlers wiped the podium down. one of the handlers ran toward the podium with a wipe just before biden arrived. ♪♪ ok, so biden doesn't trust the cdc director. fine. many people don't. we don't. on the other hand, joe biden hired the cdc director. you think he would have paid attention when she said you don't need masks if you're outdoors and have been vaccinated. >> if you're fully vaccinated and want to attend a small outdoor gathering with people who are vaccinated and unvaccinated or dining in an

outdoor restaurant with friends from multiple households, the science shows if you're vaccinated, you can do so safely unmasked. >> tucker: wow! the science shows that if you've been vaccinated, you could go outside without a mask. well, of course. why get vaccinated if you can't do that? joe biden isn't buying it. in fact, he's more attached to his mask than ever. yesterday, he lost his mask on stage. he was outside. then he told the crowd he'd be in trouble if he didn't find it. fortunately, there was a doctor on site. ♪♪ looking for my mask. i'm in trouble.

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that you should be sensitive to people who live differently, have different personal preferences which 99% or 100% of americans completely agree with. it accelerated pretty fast. now, the new administration is telling us it's "unconstitutional to prevent biological men from being held in women's prison." it's now unconstitutional to prevent it. so we're doing it. and what's the results of this? well, exactly what you would imagine if you were to put men into a cell with women. there are cases of violent sexual offenders claiming to identify as women because they'd much rather be in a women's prison. wouldn't you? i have one of the very few people speaking up about this with the women's human rights campaign. she's on the left. she's clear thinking on this issue, we think. she is joining us tonight. we're so happy she is. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: i'm completely convinced on this subject, people want to be sensitive and

respect other people's decisions. i hope you'll explain the implications of these policies to us. >> i think that's probably right. i hope we can get into this topic of sensitivity and also the topic of compassion which i think arises a lot in this discussion but if we're talking specifically on the issue of prisons, it came to my attention recently there's a man who is accusing the state of georgia for being negligent in protecting him in a men's prison because he's claiming that he was raped by men in the men's prison. now, i want to be very clear here. if that happened, that's horrible! and there's a federal law on the books called the prison rape elimination act and its goal is to eliminate rape in prison. if, in fact, this man was raped in a man's prison, then he has every right to complain, sue and hold the georgia prison officials accountable. now, the difference here is that the man who is presenting this claim "identifies as a woman" or

claims to have "transgender status." that phrase "transgender status" has come to be in our public conversation quite frequently these days because in part of things that the biden administration has done. what i want to know is that the federal department of justice has weighed in on this man's case arguing that this man who was raped in a men's prison, allegedly. if he did and was, he's got every right to complain about that. the answer is not to transfer him into a women's prison. the biden administration, the justice department is arguing that he should. what i want to know is where is the justice department when it comes to a woman who was allegedly raped in a women's prison in the state of washington by a man who the state of washington was housing in the women's prison on the basis of his so-called transgender status? i also want to know where is the biden administration when it comes in to supporting a woman in an illinois prison who was

allegedly raped by a man who was being held in the women's prison on the basis of his transgender status? i would also like to know where is the biden administration, where is the justice department when it comes to the state of california and the literally 261 applications that came from male prisoners to be held in a california women's prison between january and march of this year? 261 between january and march of this year is approximately three a day applications filed by male prisoners to be held in women's prison on the basis of their so-called transgender status! this is a conversation that our country has not sufficiently had. we need to have it. so i'm very grateful to you for having me on tonight. >> tucker: well, i couldn't agree with you more. we need to have this conversation and we're not. we're hiding from it. you're not, though. i appreciate it. kara dansky, thanks. >> thank you. >> tucker: we're far from done this friday night. we'll be right back.

>> tucker: we opened the show by asking as we often have why is there a huge disconnect between people who run the republican party and the people who vote republican? we pointed to the example of republican strategist frank luntz, we didn't mean to pick on him personally come he's not the cause of the problems but he is a symptom of it. if frank luntz is telling your elected officials what they should say in public and the positions they should take, you are in trouble. here is video that tells that story. in 2016, frank luntz explained why he never wanted to be identified as a republican again, watch. >> no one will call me a republican again, because i'm not part of this. i'm not part of that system, that negativity, this is not something i was involved in this year, i will leave it to others to explain and to try to get themselves out of this mess.

>> tucker: the guy who shield for purdue pharma, who told people to take oxycontin is too embarrassed to be connected to the republican party which he now once again is advising this week, what is going on? ned ryan has watch this party for a long time, founder and ceo of american majority -- thanks so much for coming on. i want to say for the fifth time i always kind of liked frank luntz, he's not the problem obviously but he is a symptom. what is this, exactly? >> there's a massive disconnect between those that are running the party and the voters inside the base, inside the party. it's amazing to watch them try to dismiss trump as though he didn't exist but also dismissing the issues he ran on and let's not forget immigration being front and center. they want to memory hole trump and act like it never happened

but in fact that's where most of the base is. you don't have 95 approval rating inside the base and less what you are promoting in the issues you're talking about are popular, there is massive in which those leading the republican party view a lot of the voters and a lot of the base as useful idiots. if i us back in power and we'll do with the donor class wants us to do, you are the useful idiots that put us back into power and at some point the republican voters have to wake up and say when we actually vote for members of the house and members of the sin that we are to demand leadership that reflects our views and until we do that, we are going to see more of this. >> that's one thing the political party can't do, ignore its own voters. it's a party and a democracy, it has no other role, right? >> that's exactly right, i think the leaders inside the

establishment are in for a rude awakening during the 2022 primary season in which a lot of the debates, they're going to get a shot at the primary but the real question becomes are there going to be enough members in the house and the senate elected to actually enforce new leadership? no more mitch mcconnell, no more kevin mccarthy, let's have a real america first leadership in the house and the senate and get america first back in the white house. it's one of those things where we never fully had all the leadership on the same page, maybe we could have that in the future and what a nice change that would be. >> tucker: the very first thing they have to do is ignore your enemies. we were denounced as white nationalists for quoting martin luther king, at some point you realize these people aren't serious, their criticisms are not in good faith and if you let that control you.

>> that's exactly right. >> tucker: ned ryan, great to see you tonight. we hope you have a great weekend, we are completely out of time this week. we will see you monday, 8:00 p.m., every week -- good night. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity" this friday night and we are tracking multiple major stories including new information surrounding new york city mayor, former mayor rudy giuliani and america's two-tiered system of justice, then we will have more from the crisis at the southern border, it is real, it is very much a crisis, joe biden wants to pretend it's not, but it is. also tonight former new jersey governor chris christie, indications he might be thinking about another presidential run, we will ask him.