eric: well, katlyn jenner is stirring controversy with her views on transgender athletes. the candidate for california govern for reveals she does not support trans girls born as boys competing on all female sports teams. president biden doing away with continuing to build the border wall as two democratic senators from a border state say the administration is not doing enough to solve the my grant crisis. welcome to fox news live. i'm eric shawn. hi, arthel. arthel: hello, i'm arthel

neville. senator tim scott doubling down on his belief that the u.s. is not a racist nation. it comes amid fallout over major pushback on the south carolina republican over his rebuttal to president biden's address to congress wednesday night. >> thank goodness, finally our president, vice president, one of the leaders in the democrat house, jim clyburn, have come forward and saying what i've been saying for a long time, america is not a racist country. is there a lingering effect after a couple centuries of racism in this country, the answer is absolutely. arthel: alex hogan has more on the speech fallout. >> reporter: hi, arthel. senator tim scott reaffirming some of the statements and coming on the back and forth we've seen this past week. he did address this once again today and repeated the statement that we've heard this past week, that he believes america is not

a racist country. >> the question we should be debating and fighting over is how do we resolve those issues going forward. one side says i'm going to take from some to give to others. fighting bigotry with bigotry is hip pock consider c it doesn't work. >> reporter: -hypocrisy. >> reporter: shows comments were blasted, being called a lie, others point out he is the senate's only black republican, arguing this is an opportunity to address systemic inequalities around the nation. so much backlash that uncle tim started trending online. republicans calling that racist and a double standard. meanwhile, lamar county democratic party chair gary o'connor faces calls to resign

over a racial slur. democratic counterparts came to scott's defense in the twitter feud. tulsi gabbard tweeting the personal attacks against senator tim scott were despicable. president joe biden responding himself, finding some common ground on their perspectives. >> i don't think the american people are racist. but i think after 400 years, african-americans have been left in a position where they are so far behind the 8 ball in terms of education, health, in terms of opportunity. >> reporter: senator scott also took some time today to discuss his police reform proposal. now, among the plans that are proposed in that it would take the responsibility and place it on the police department if there's any officer who is accused of police brutality or

any other instance of that sort. so essentially taking responsibility a little bit away from the individual officer and putting it more on the culture within departments around the country. arthel. arthel: alex hogan, thank you, alex. ♪ eric: well, the department of defense confirming what has been reported, that president biden is canceling all further construction of the wall at the southern border. meantime, the surge of migrants continues to hammer u.s. resources there fueling republicans' claims that the administration is not doing enough to try and address this crisis. something the white house denies, saying it's moving as fast as possible to try to address the influx. critics include two of arizona's democratic senators. we have a live report from a checkpoint with more on all of this knew we are about --

>> reporter: we are an hour north of the border on private ranch land. the owners say they've seen a flood of illegal immigration since mid-january when the president was elected. this is a popular smuggling route. they've seen fences cuts, property vandalized and vehicles stolen. there's a group of texas border volunteers that set a network of trail cameras that are monitored by border patrol and dps that show large groups trying to avoid he detection and trying to avoid the border patrol checkpoint, on highway 281. here's a drone shot. thousands will cross the rio grande but they've got to get north. what smugglers will do, they drop off the groups south of the checkpoint, they cut the fence and they'll walk north adjacent to the highway, past the checkpoint where they'll get picked up by vehicles on the north side and head to cities like houston, chicago, new york or miami. the volunteers assist law

enforcement in trying to stop this. sometimes they shadow illegals using night vision and monitoring equipment. because of deep brush and the area is so large. >> we fill a void. we report that traffic and when the border patrol show up, we try help them point them in the right direction and get that traffic apprehended, drug or human traffickers. >> reporter: so it's about 300 members and they say they carry firearms but they've never had to fire a shot. eric. the problem is, this brush, you can't tell, it is really thick and even when there's a border patrol helicopter, once a migrant grows under the oak trees, they're almost impossible to see. the bigger problem is sometimes the smugglers drop them off 20 miles south. this is rough country. it's really hot. they can only carry so much water. they have 25 bodies found dead in the desert if you will in this ranch land just this year.

and that's a problem and it's getting only hotter. back to you. eric: wow, it's amazing that we have to rely on the volunteer squad to help out and that certainly is a high tech cat and mouse game. thanks, william. arthel. arthel: president biden will head to louisiana this week as he pitches his $4 trillion spending plan to americans. mr. biden made stops in pennsylvania and georgia last week to drum up more support for a bill that republicans say is nothing more than a liberal wish list that will crash the economy. mark meredith live in wilmington, delaware with the latest. mark. >> reporter: arthel, good afternoon. this week president biden is going to be hitting the road, stumping for the two massive spending bills. the battle is back in d.c. as the president is trying to get congress on-board with raising taxes and spending trillions of dollars. the two proposal cover a lot of ground, including one that would take care of child care, education a as well as billions to rebuilt

infrastructure. this weekend the white house is having to push back against critics who worry so much spending could lead to run-away inflation. >> we do expect some transitory price increases. the fed expects that as well. we're watching the data. for the time being, we expect at most transitory inflation that is what we expect coming out of a big recession. >> reporter: now, republicans say they're concerned with more than the price tag and monetary policy. they argue the new role the federal government would play would be changed in an expanded bureaucracy. some republicans say they are interested in negotiating with the white house. >> this is an enormous package when you take both the traditional core infrastructure parts and the huge expansion of social programs that the president is advocating. this is going to be a test on whether president biden is truly interested in bipartisanship.

>> reporter: there is some indications that some republicans could be heading to the white house a little later on this week to meet with the president. we are going to be getting an update on tuesday from the president about where things stand with the pandemic, with vaccinations, that's going to be coming the same day the u.s. is set to impose new travel restrictions between the u.s. and india because of the surge of covid case there's. arthel. arthel: mark, thank you very much. eric. eric: arthel, right now in elizabeth city, north carolina there's a viewing ongoing for andrew brown, junior. a second viewing is scheduled later on today. mr. brown was shot and killed on april 21st by county deputies. they were serving a drug related search and arrest warrant. his funeral set to take place at the fountain of life church tomorrow. charles watson is live from raleigh with the latest on the viewing and on the case. hi, charles. >> reporter: hi, eric. as you mentioned t family of andrew brown, junior is holding two public viewings today in

elizabeth city ahead of his funeral on monday. protesters say they will march today as well for criminal justice reform and supporters of the brown family and victims of police brutality. >> we're peacefully protesting. i'm looking at 30 plus armed police officers in full riot gear with shields, face masks and all. this is a wrong image to us. >> reporter: last night's protest in the city were peaceful as calls continued for the public release of body camera footage following a north carolina judge's ruling against publicly releasing the video that captured the fatal encounter between brown and deputies who were serving the drug warrant. however, brown's immediate family will get the opportunity to view the videos in the coming days. in the meantime, elizabeth city officials face criticism after implementing a new requirement that says a permit need to be filed to hold protests.

the north carolina aclu sent a letter to elizabeth city officials saying the move violates the first amendment because it contains no exception for constitutionally protected spontaneous gatherings and on monday civil rights leader reverend al sharpton is expected to deliver the eulogy at brown's funeral at the request of the family, the service will not be open to the public. eric. eric: charles, thank you. arthel. arthel: president joe biden facing major fallout, even from some people within his own party over his decision to halt pentagon funding for future border wall construction. coming up, we'll break down what this means as the surge of migrants crossing continues to grow. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals,

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eric: did you hear about this? republican you'd you tau senator mitt romney, well, he did not get a warm welcome when he walked onto the stage at the state's republican convention yesterday. just listen to the reaction he received. >> thank you. [boos] >> show respect. eric: well, despite those boos, state delegates ultimately

rejected a move to censure governor romney over his decision to impeach president trump. it could still be an obstacle if he seeks re-election in 2024. he says the boos don't bother him at all. arthel. >> you'll have people in the country, in the western part or the northern part, think well that's a border issue, we don't have to worry about it. the border comes to them every single day because as people cross the border, they take the gang members will export the drugs to chicago, to new york, to north or south carolina or even up to washington state or other places like that. arthel: that was the governor of texas, greg abbott. he's saying america's immigration crisis is not just a problem for border states. president biden's announcement

that further construction of the border wall has been canceled has drawn major backlash from republicans but the president says it's part of his immigration reform plan. >> let's end our exhausting war over immigration. for more than 30 years politicians have talked about immigration reform and we've done nothing about it. it's time to fix it. on day one of my presidency i kept my commitments on a comprehensive immigration bill for the united states congress. if we believe we need to secure the border, pass it, because it has a lost money for high tech border secures. arthel: this comes as both of arizona's democratic senators say the president has not done enough to address the ongoing border crisis. let's bring in charles marino, a former secret service supervisory special agent and department of homeland security advisor. he's also the ceo of sentinel security solutions. thanks for joining us, charles. we're talking about funds that

were originally intended for military use, that were reallocated to pay for the wall, now being returned to the defense department, not exactly sure how much but possibly around $14 billion. now, from a national security standpoint, is this the best use of funds? >> no. i mean, listen. here's the deal. what we're seeing on the southwest border right now is a national security disaster, what's going on here. of course we need physical barriers on the southwest border along with technologies and manpower but we knew this was going to be a mess, arthel, from the beginning with the mixed messaging about whether the border was going to be opened or closed and whether migration was going to be welcomed. right now, everything that the administration is dealing with and this country is dealing with is caused by the very administration that we're talking about right now. for example, you've got dhs, they are he deploying a program to combat human trafficking, yet the very policies of this

administration are the ones that are facilitating that and telling the cartels and driving the business of bringing people here through human trafficking. so what are we doing? arthel: there's a new fox news poll on the u.s. border security, when it asks to compare -- it's two years ago, 15% saying it's better now compared to 28% who thought it was better two years ago. 46% saying it's worse than two years ago. what is the most immediate way to secure the border from the surge of migrants and human smugglers? >> well, let's talk about the poll first of awful i think you referred -- of all. i think you referred to it in your earlier stories. of course the communities along the southwest border will be impacted fastest and most immediately. what will happen is this is going to spread throughout the interior of the country. we're going to see this in the form of people that receive notices to appear that just never show up. we're going to see it in the form of increased drug

trafficking. we're going to see it in the form of human trafficking like we saw down in houston this week. what needs to be done here is we saw everything out of sync regarding the administration's strategy. you need to keep policies and plans whether you like them or not from the previous administration in place until you can get your own house in order. the number one goal of the government is to provide an avenue to facilitate legal immigration but not to do so at the risk of the safety and security of the american public. that's what we're seeing here. it's been done backwards. they had such a disdain for the previous administration that they wanted to get rid of those policies and now we have chaos at the border. arthel: meanwhile, the number of children that border protection facilities have dropped within recent days. there were 954 children being held compared to 5,767 children that were being held.

that represents and 86% decrease. the children are now staying at those border facilities an average of 28 hours, that's a little more than a day. that's down from 133 hours, that's five and-a-half days. so what does this progress signal to you? >> well, it's almost like a shell game with the numbers, right arrest they'll? because first of -- arthel, first of all, there's a law that says children can't say there for longer than 72 hours in the facilities so the administration up until recently, this week, were violating that law. a as we know, the children were staying there for longer than that. all it means, is they've put a mechanism to move the children out of the cbp facilities which is a good thing but into the health and human services facilities. also we're seeing expenses spent in large volume for hotel rooms, for those families that are coming in with children. so really, all we're doing is just moving from one location to the next. but it's certainly not to spike

the football over. we still have the problems, large numbers of migration we saw in march and we're going to see again in april are still going to be there and these people are still going to be in the country. arthel: charles, you're not a politician. you're the former department of homeland security advisor. what's your advice to lawmakers who let party politics serve as a border, keeping them from enacting conference of plans to -- comprehensive plans to secure the border and address immigration issues, politicians of all stripes. >> the politics really need to stay out of this. i think one of the things that pretty sad to hear is when you hear the governor of one of the largest states in the country, texas, saying he hasn't heard from the department of homeland security or from the administration. the big thing you need to do, you want to see the coordination take place between not only the politicians on both sides of the aisle, but also with the sheriffs that are down there on the border. and we just have not seen consistency in that. but one thing that we have to have a shared goal of is that

the safety and security of the citizens, not only along the border but throughout the united states, needs to remain the number one priority while we deal with this. arthel: okay, we'll leave it there. charles marino, thank you very much. >> thanks, arthel. arthel: eric. eric: arthel, katlyn jenner weighing in on her first big political issue since announcing she is running for the governorship of california, what she says about transgender youth sports that is sparking criticism this weekend and how that issue could affect her campaign. we'll tell you more about the candidate katlyn straight ahead here on fox news live. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ excuse me ma'am, did you know that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? thank you! hey, hey, no, no, limu, no limu!

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eric: well, the covid crisis in india is getting worse. a record 400,000 cases are now being reported there a day and the death toll climbing past 211,000 as india's health system is overwhelmed. you know, caring americans are

stepping forward to help. take a look at this note. it says it all. it reads, you are not alone. we will fight it together. that note is from the head of the department of urology at mount sinai hospital in new york city. he is dr. ash tawari and they are spearheading the delivery of much needed covid related medical equipment to india. mount sinai is sending 25 ventilators and 100 sleep apnea machines to a city and elsewhere. there were just about 100 cases there two months ago, now there are 34,000 a day. the team is delivering 100 100 objection concentrator machines. the u.s. government is sending more than $100 million in medical and humanitarian supplies. you can help too. there are charities on the ground helping in the crisis. seattle based path, a global nonprofit, the international

medical corps, project hope and a large indian charity, care india, you can contact them if you want to help the folks in india. more than 152 million people in the country have been vaccinated. india has a population of 1.3 billion so only 10% have been vaccinated. compare that to our country where half of american the crus. -- coronavirus shots. arthel. arthel: as the number of states consider laws banning transgender girls from participating in women's sports, katlyn jenner, the newest candidate for california gone nor, says she -- governor, says she supports such bans. christina coleman is live in los angeles with the latest reaction. >> reporter: katlyn jenner is getting support from a number of conservatives who is calling her courageous and correct for her comments. she is not budging on her stance. she shared her exchange with tmz

on this issue, to her 3.5 million twitter followers. here it is. >> this is a question of fairness. that's why i oppose biological boys who are trans competing in girls sports in school. it just isn't fair. and we have to protect girls sports in our schools. >> if someone transitions and now identify as a girl, isn't it delegit micing -- delegitimizing their entity? >> have good day. >> reporter: critics are saying she is just trying to win the votes of republicans or is saying nonsense. she is standing firm. her remarks fall in line with the republican legislation in multiple states across the country, following president joe biden's executive order that bans discrimination on gender

identity in school sports and other places. at least 30 states are considering banning transgender girls from playing on girl interscholastic sports teams. tennessee, mississippi and arkansas have enacted those laws. florida has passed limb legislation. the governor said he would sign it into law. here is in with other gop governor. >> we want to have opportunities for our girls. they deserve an even playing field. that's what we're doing, with what mississippi and florida did, with what other states are going to do. i look forward to being able to sign that into law. >> reporter: of west virginia's governor signed a similar bill into law last week. arthel? arthel: christina coal lain, -- coleman, live in loss an a less. eric: rudy giuliani is reacting

to an fbi raid on his apartment. he called it illegal. the former mayor of new york was a private lawyer and president trump's personal lawyer working closely on the first impeachment trial and this investigation it seems is apparently part of a probe into reports that there was potential foreign influence in the presidential campaign and questions about whether russian or ukrainian money was solicited and used. sarah wesley joins us now, a political reporter for the washington examiner. man, sarah, mayor guliani who was an associate attorney general, u.s. attorney in new york, he was quite a crusading crime buster. he's really hot about this now. >> that's right, eric. you sort of mentioned what it's looking like it's going to be rudy giuliani's defense here. he's arguing that everything he

was doing and all the communications that he was making that are now under investigation by the fbi were done while he was representing former president trump, while he was leading trump's defense during the impeachment trial and so he is starting to make the argument and his lawyer is starting to make the argument that those communications should be privileged, trump should have felt free and so had other white house officials should have felt free to communicate with giuliani as their lawyer during the process. everything that's under investigation right now according to the body of reporting that's out there are the same events that were scrutinized in the impeachment trial. so really that was not a criminal proceeding, it was a political proceeding. the same events, the same contacts with the ukrainians in 2019, that's what the feds are scrutinizing. it doesn't look like there's a lot new here that the public doesn't already know about. eric: well, we'll have to find out what's in all this information, talk about the mayor, what he said about rudy

cosby at abc radio about this. >> how did you find out about that? it's stunning. >> i found out about it because i guess it those be disclosed to the court now and the assistant u.s. attorney informed my lawyer, robert costello, who asked her to repeat it because he couldn't believe it was true. i can't fathom that that would be done to an ordinary citizen, you know, the president doesn't have any more rights than anybody else but he doesn't have any less. they just trashed the president of the united states like he has no constitutional rights. eric: you know, one would think the fbi in order to get the ipod information went to a federal judge or magistrate and they have a legal appropriate search warrant for all this. >> that's right. you don't have to be a legal expert to know that if the fbi is raiding your home, is taking your laptops and cell phones, you're in hot water. they must have a body of evidence to have justified a search warrant like that so

obviously the investigation is a lot further along than potentially we're reading in the news. keep in mind that what the underlying crime of which rudy giuliani is being accused here, is a lobbying disclosure rule. it's not that serious. it doesn't carry a very high criminal penalty and it's something that the justice department until the trump years really didn't spend a lot of time prosecuting because it was sort of considered an administration violation, not registering as a lobbyist for a foreign entity. up until the trump years it was used against paul manafort and other prominent republicans. it looks like rudy giuliani is being scrutinized for his actions around the impeachment trial and guliani is positioning himself to argue that everything he did was in his capacity as trump's defense attorney, not acting as a foreign lobbyist. those are the competing

explanations for what guliani was doing in ukraine in 2019. eric: at the same time, even though that one specific infraction has not been prosecuted very often it seems, the whole issue of whether or not political influence was used to affect foreign policy, to undermine american democracy itself and to try to throw the election and damage candidate biden on behalf of president trump is at issue. some would argue that's a complete assault on the american democracy. here's what the wall street journal says about that. they apparently are looking at the ambassador, the removal of the ambassador. they say, quote, federal prosecutors pursued a theory that hinges on the idea that mr. giuliani's efforts to remove ms. denavovich were done at the behest of ukrainian officials, in exchange for damaging information about the bidens. such an exchange, even if it involved no financial payment, could violate federal lobbying

laws. here's what the ambassador said during his hearings. >> i do not understand mr. giuliani's motive for attacking me nor can i offer an opinion on whether he believed the allegations he spread about he me. clearly, no one at the state department did. what i can say is that mr. giuliani should have known those claims were suspect, coming as they reportedly did from individuals with questionable motives and with reason to believe that their political and financial ambitions would be stymied by our anti-corruption policy with the ukraine. eric: what do you think happens next? what is the next steps? this investigation? >> on the issue of the ambassador, recall that the reporting at the time that there were rumors fanned by giuliani that she was bad-mouthing in ukraine and trump wanted her gone because of her perceived disloyality. that's the general understanding of what occurred at the time.

there are fears in trump world that because communications between giuliani and trump and many others in trump's circle are intercepted by the fbi that other people could be swept up in this investigation. i think that's a legitimate fear, if people were talking with giuliani about sensitive issues at that time. so i think you're going to see some of trump's other allies start to worry about whether they could be implicated in whatever mess giuliani is dealing with right now. eric: well, mr. giuliani of course as we know is heatedly denying any wrong-doing at all, saying in fact he has never lobbied for any foreign country on behalf of any foreign country and he says this is all a basically a political hit job in his view. sarah westwood of the washington examiner. share are ray, good to see -- sarah, good to see you. thank you. arthel: now to an update on america's bat l he'll over reopening schools. the american federation of teachers reportedly influenced the cdc and the white house on reopening guidance.

david spunt is live in washington with more. david. >> reporter: hi, arthel. good afternoon. if you ask anybody at the white house about covid-19, they'll likely refer to you to either the cdc or the latest cdc guidance. the two organizations, the biden administration and the cdc, working in tandem to combat covid-19 but some internal e-mails first published by the washington -- by the new york post, i should say, over the weekend show there is a relationship between the cdc and the american federation of teachers, some 1.7 million teachers are members of that largest teachers union in the united states. the article as i said first published in the new york post this weekend. it suggests that the american federation of teachers influenced the cdc on school opening guidelines. according to the story in the post, the aft suggested slowing down the opening of in-person learning and the cdc recordedly obliged. the post cites internal e-mails.

we looked at t mails. one says in part from the american federation of teachers to the cdc, we want to lend our the cdc and we believe you're off to a great start. we must urge the inclusion of clear he closure triggers in the guidance. another says we were able to review a copy of the draft guidance document over the weekend and were able to provide initial feedback to several staff this morning about possible ways to strengthen the document. in a statement from the federation of teachers to fox news about this specific story, the president randy weingarden admitted the agencies continue to be in frequent touch during the pandemic. quote, we have been in regular touch with the agencies setting policy that affect their works and lives including the cdc. in fact, we contacted the agency more in 2020 during the trump administration than we have during the biden administration in 2021, requesting additional guidance, questioning policy,

providing testimony and offering an educator and healthcare worker perspective. the statement goes on to say that the federation of teachers continues to have a positive relationship with the cdc, reached out to the cdc and white house, at this point i have not heard back. arthel. arthel: david spunt, thank you. eric. eric: for spacex astronauts are back home, they returned to earth last night following a historic mission to space. how that journey went and they did something that hasn't been done since 1968.

if these beautiful idaho potato recipes are just side dishes, then i'm not a real idaho potato farmer. genuine idaho potatoes not just a side dish anymore. always look for the grown in idaho seal. eric: well, after nearly six months in space, four nasa astronauts aboard the spacex crew dragon capsule splashed down early this morning, the first splashdown in darkness since 1968, only the second time the capsule happenedded in the

gulf of mexico. phil keating has more. hey, phil. >> reporter: hello there. good afternoon. the six months in space for those four astronauts got extended by four days because of high winds and rough seas in the gulf of mexico off the coast of florida. as of now, all four astronauts are finally back on earth. the spacex crew dragon capsule undocked from the space station last night, reducing the number of people living up there from 11 to p seven. the capsule took six hours to flash down in the gulf near panama city, florida, all in the darkness of night. the astronauts on-board are now back in houston at the johnson space center special quarantine quarters where they will stay for several days. all four launched from florida last november and have been floating around and doing

science research 250 miles up above us. that launch was the first time spacex launched four astronauts aboard its capsule. last friday, another crew of four astronauts launched from the kennedy space center and when they arrived at the space station it suddenly became a far more crowd by happy family of space cadets. this morning after the successful splashdown, nasa had an end of mission press briefing. >> the weather was super and the wind conditions were just perfect. the spacex and nasa teams returned human space flight back to the united states and i think this is a remarkable achievement. the opportunity of a lifetime. >> reporter: the last time there was a nighttime capsule splashdown was way back in 1968 and that was the apollo 8 capsule flew all the way around the moon, setting the stage for the eventual landing on the moon by the a apollo 11.

eric. eric: wow, when they came back mission control say they send 68 million frequent flier miles. >> reporter: i saw that. that was funny. eric: phil, thank you. arthel. arthel: eric, once the open by center of the -- epicenter of the covid pandemic in the u.s. now new york has new hope as infections trend downward across much of the country, the big apple is about to reopen. but is it too soon? a discussion, up next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right.

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arthel: new data in the fight against covid-19 shows that 37 states and washington, d.c. are experiencing a decline in infections, it comes as locations such as new york city prepare to fully reopen businesses and attractions on july 1st. dr. amesh adalja is here, an infectious disease expert and senior fellow at johns hopkins center for health security. many are cheering on the reopening, others are saying it's too soon. you're the expert. what do you sunshine. >> i think we've got at least be 0% of the u.s. -- 30% of the u.s. population fully vaccinated and some population of immunity

and you have a change in the hospitals in terms of hospital capacity concerns, icu beds, people who are getting severely ill and i think that gives you flexibility to start to pull back on mitigation measures and do it safely. as more people get vaccinated it becomes easier. i think we're looking good as we go into the summer with covid-19 being controlled to a much greater degree in this country. arthel: so 243 million americans have received at least one dose of the covid vac seen. is that enough to reach herd immunity. and what do you say to people who are hesitant to getting the vaccine. >> it's important to remember that before we get to herd i'm hewn at this, we have a significant number of population immunized. when israel got to 40% fully vaccinated they a pree precipits decline in cases. we'll see benefits in terms of cases and we've seen benefits in terms of serious disease, hospitalization and death

because our prioritization scheme focused on high risk individuals. what i say to vaccine hesitant people, this is an important piece of technology that will make your individual life better. if you get vaccinated, you can reclaim your prepandemic life and the vaccines are extraordinary and they are things are very, very safe, very effective. they've been given to hundreds of millions of people and they're something that everybody should want to get their life back on track. arthel: you talk about the prepandemic freedom that we had. what is that? because we keep hearing you're fully vaccinated, you wear a mask, you don't wear a mask, can you clear it up for us? >> if fully vaccinated, you're unlikely to have severe disease, need hospitalization or die from covid-19. you're not like throw be a spreader -- not likely to be a spreader of infection. in my analysis you can return to everything your risk tolerance allows. public health guidance is lagging.

they're not really being proactive about this. they're being overly cautious, taking baby steps but baby steps in the correct direction. when i got fully vaccinated i went back to my prepandemic life. i think you can do that if you're fully vaccinated. that's what we need to tell people about the vaccines, that needs to be the message, talking about how the vaccines benefit each individual life and give them the ability to reclaim what they put on 408d for over -- hold for over a year. arthel: i have another 45 seconds. based on where we are now, i want to cheer on our country, applaud the progress we've made up to this point but what is the worst scenario that could unfold? unfold? >> the worst scenario is we stall, and we continue to have tens of thousands of cases occurring every day. we hear about more variants starting to evolve and we don't really go into hospital crisis but we have a significant proportion of the population that gets infected requiring hospitalizations, high risk individuals that have high risk

conditions like asthma and obesity and we never get to a point where it ceases to disrupt our lives, that we're thinking about masks and contract tracing and -- contact tracing and getting exposures and the workplace and schools and that's the worst case scenario. this can be averted by getting vaccines into people's arms. arthel: we'll leave i there. doctor, thank you very much. eric: that is the best news we could hear, looking good for the summer and getting back to our prepandemic life at some point. we all need that. well, arthel and i will be back at 4:00 p.m. eastern in just a few hours but for now, more news from washington here on the fox news channel. thank you for watching fox news live. life... doesn't stop for diabetes. be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna. >> tech: every customer has their own safelite story.

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