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i don't write books just to write books. i'm not on tv just to be on tv. i'm not on radio just to be on radio. i don't see glory and i don't seek fame. i am an activist at heart. since i was a young teenager, for me it is about this country and about liberty. it is about constitutional conservatism. that is why i am here every sunday and that is why i do my radio show every day and that is why i do live in tv and that's why i write books. we are in an extraordinarily grave and dire situation right now. every principal and fundamental of the founding of this nation is under assault. we are losing today. when you look at the border or in our classrooms, the way our cops are treated, lack of law

and order in so many areas of this country, the use of racism, the use of gender, we are being attacked in a thousand ways and so that is why everett in this book american marxism. american marxism, doesn't that sound weird? what is that mean? what it means is very simple. these folks like to name themselves liberals, progressives, social activists, democratic socialists. they are embracing the fundamentals of marxism, not in every respect but in enough respects. what have they done? class warfare. all we hear from joe biden is the rich don't pay enough and the poor don't get enough. where does that class argument come from? doesn't come from the founders? no. does it come from any of the great enlightenment thinkers? know. where does it come from? it comes from karl marx. what about this argument of

oppressed and oppressors? my god, when you look at the united states of america there so many victims in this country. whether it is based on race or genitalia or income, now the environment, the list is so long that it's incident and i can't even name it. where does it come from? these movements, these ideologies are spawned from marxism and many of them have the same purpose which is to attack the existing society, to attack the constitutional system, to attack the economic system and they found a home in the democrat party. the democrat party has gone over to the dark side and joe biden is over there with them. we are losing our country one classroom at a time, one neighborhood at a time and one book at a time. so, that is the purpose of my book "american marxism" and we will discuss that down the road in more detail because i am at

bottom, an activist. i believe that you can't just sit back and talk about stuff or observe stuff but you got to do something in the whole point of american marxism is to try to galvanize you and the emerging people who still love this country and rally us to a cause and i explain the various actions that i think we should take. you know, 12 years or so ago i wrote a book called liberty and tyranny and it came out almost exactly the same time, coinciding with the rise of the tea party movement. together we made a difference in this country and that's exactly what i'm hoping we can do right now. together, you and i, to make a difference in this country and take our country back, not based on race, not because we are white supremacists. no. because we are red-blooded americans, all of us, regardless of her skin color or anything else. we cannot allow these marxists in these marxist want to be's to destroy the country from within.

that is what i am talking about. we have a great guest to start the program tonight. stephen miller, former senior advisor to president trump, now american first legal founder. stephen miller, how are you my friend? >> doing great. thank you for having me. mark: thank you for being here. let's talk about the border. nobody knows more about this then you and you spend your entire career studying this stuff which is why you are constantly under attack by these marxists among others. first of all, let's get something straight. help me and the merrick and people this. we don't care about the —- of america, this has nothing to do with the browning of america or race of any kind. what we care about is having a lawful, immigration system, people assimilating into our system and it's the democrats, obama is to talk about it, fighting is to talk about it, the media talks about it, the browning of america and you and i most americans don't even

bring up race and it has nothing to do with race. explain. >> yes, that's a really great place to open. in the last election president trump carried overwhelmingly texas border counties that were largely hispanic and latino. why is that? why is that? is it because latino voters, living in border town, are racist? are they racist against latinos? that's madness. the reason is because they often times either immigrants themselves, the children or grandchildren of immigrants see first-hand the extraordinarily consequences of large-scale illegal migration. they see it in terms of the overwhelming of local schools and you have too many students per teacher, assuming the schools are open. you have overwhelmed hospital capacity and you have depressed wages in the job market and you

have criminal elements that are able to get through the border and spread very dangerous forms of gang activity in local communities. you have drug trafficking and drug smuggling and they claim thousands of lives and impresses young people into a life of crime. you also, of course, have the financial consequences. you have to have higher community taxes, higher sales taxes, higher income taxes to pay for pre- government services given to people who came here illegally. this has nothing to do with race or ethnicity but has everything to do with a universal law of human nature that applies to every country in the world, including mexico which is that the citizens of a nation, once want their boundaries, borders and territory upheld just like you have a lock on your door, just like you lock your car when you leave it. it is just like rich and

powerful people build fences around their houses. the citizens of any country, including our country, black, white, brown, every color you can imagine are entitled to and want desperately to have security on their border as a basic right of living. mark: well said. i am a little perplexed, stephen miller, what you have just a spouse to been official american policy for well over 100 years until up until now and until up until now so what has changed? have you and i changed, had the wreck and people or has the democratic party changed. there was a pew report out in september and i don't believe they are run by white supremacists but there was a pew report that came out and they pointed out how immigration has utterly changed the demographics, political demographics in this country and the political demographics in this country and are we to

believe, stephen miller, the nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and joe biden of the democrats are ignoring this and just acting out of sincerity? is that is what is going on at the border today we have women trying to cross, 38% of whom are raped and kids being stuffed into these buildings despite covid and so forth so what exactly is the democrat party about here? >> well, first of all, you hit on i think the essential issue which is that what we are seeing with the new administration is unprecedented. that word gets thrown around a lot, unprecedented. in this case it is the textbook that sherry definition of unprecedented. i.e., noah megan president, not just in our lifetime but the whole history of the nation has ever attempted what is now happening which is to not even attempt to secure the border but, in fact, actively recruit and encourage people to cross

illegally with the promise of unrestricted entry. that has never been tried and never been attempted before. likewise, what they are doing on the interior of the country with ice massively unprecedentedly, again, reducing enforcement to almost nothing. just a handful of arrests per ice officer and that is all never been tried before and it is all never been done before and you do have to ask yourself why. it is terrible for the migrants. you talk about the morality of this. like you, i'm so sick of having democrat politicians stand up on a high horse and preen about morality when their policies aren't only causing all the harms are outlined here in america but are leading innocent migrants to get brutalized and assaulted and raped in many that have to come to the unaided states and work off their debt to their traffickers, they are

put into sex and put into labor trafficking in the most heinous kinds of abuse imaginable so why would they do all of these horrible things? these immoral things? they disproportionately hurt migrants and communities of color in this country. you have to ask why. i do believe, fundamentally, the reason is because they believe that large-scale illegal migration shifts the politics of this country towards the left on a variety of economic and social issues and that is there fundamental overwhelming motivation and explains why a party that as recently as the early to thousands was opposed to amnesty, in many cases and had many members who were opposed to unfettered migration has now become the party of open borders and severed its ties

completely with the historical labor movement in america which, back in the 20th century, understood that unfettered flows of low wage labor is bad for workers so yes, i think that is the motivation. mark: i would remind our viewers the nancy pelosi said just last week when she was confronted with the question about a special election in texas that is basically now to republicans and only two republicans running part because of the endorsement by president trump in a special election and she was asked about what does this foretell about 2022 and she said well, we are not that worried and i'm paraphrasing because we have a big turnout by hispanics and black voters. that is pretty much what she said. they see everything through the lens of race i'll be right back. this is wealth. ♪ ♪ this is worth. that takes wealth.

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all of this critical race theory crap that i say and it is regurgitated by the media among others and it is taught to our children now and if we were that kind of country why would 42 million people, south of the border, want to come to the united states rather than 42 million people in the united states try to leave the united states. >> so well said. the best measure of the kinds of freedom rights and dignity afforded by society is whether or not people are trying to leave en masse or whether or not people are trying to arrive and mass. it is basic a measure as you will get. look at the soviet union, classic example. people would do anything, anything to escape the soviet union and find a measure of freedom and human dignity. in the united states we are the number one global destination for migration and we have been for a very long time. the challenge that we have as a

country then is to establish rules and conditions and to enforce laws governing who can and cannot enter. if you use the position of the left that every single person in the world who would stand to economically benefit from entering the u.s. should be allowed to enter the u.s. then you would have to let in several billion people. you would cease to have a nation. the situation on the border right now is not just the phenomenon of illegal migration from mexico and the northern triangle but as you know, i was at the white house for four years and what we saw working day and night on the border is that it had become a global phenomenon, smuggling and trafficking networks bring people from all over planet earth. literally scores of countries into our border. it is unimaginable that right now the message that this administration has sent to the

world is if you smuggle a child to our border you will get in and that child will get in. that is outrageous. it is dangerous. it is antithetical to the idea of sovereignty and we are basically saying that there is a loophole in our border so large that half of planet earth can fit through it and think again as we talked earlier about the terrible human tragedy the democrats are inflicting disproportionately, again, on people on of color, on minorities and migrants. you think that you give 7000-dollar check to a smuggler to get into the country and that's all cash upfront that do you know how many times comes to this country and then they are basically forced into again, labor or sex trafficking to pay off that debt. indentured servitude of the worst kind imaginable. this is what we're doing on the border of the greatest country

in the world? this is why my organization of america first legal is sane enough. congress passed laws, president signed those laws in the constitution says the executive must take care of those laws and faithfully execute it. we do not have a democracy anymore. the president can come in and say this whole section of law does not exist anymore than we are not a partisan organization but a nonpartisan organization and this isn't right or left but this is about the constitution of the united states. that is why we are suing the biden administration alongside texas and the great cam paxton to end the catch and release policies on the border then not only violate law but they violate the administration's own covid regulations. additionally we are working behind the scenes with several states that are filing lawsuits and that are ongoing right now to end the backdoor abolition of ice. biden's memos basically curtailing most immigration

enforcement so the april saw the lowest ever interior removals is an attempt to abolish ice by memo and almost 100% of that reduction in enforcement is accomplished by freeing illegal immigrants who are facing separate criminal charges and convictions. that is reckless, that's immoral and that has to be stopped. mark: do we know how many ms 13 gang members are crossing the border? we don't, do we? >> no, i'm so glad you raised that issue because that is one that keeps me up at night, mark. we saw this firsthand. one of the things when president trump came into office four years ago, one of his firsts last noticed executive orders was to dismantle organized crime networks that were crossing our border. at the center of the effort was ms 13. we removed thousands of ms 13 members from this country

through partnerships with the local law-enforcement ice, cbp and federal law-enforcement and general including fbi and we indicted many ms 13 members. what do we find? a large percentage of those ms 13 members entered the country as unaccompanied minors during the obama administration. so, if you have a policy that says 17 or under get in guaranteed and get resettled you don't think criminal organizations are going to take advantage of that? that they will not smuggle criminal gang members who will then be resettled at taxpayer expense in long island and then in cities all across the country? this is another area or a lawsuit is so important because if you end catch and release then you end the ability of those gang members to get automatic entry into the country and you can read more about that af legal .org and you can learn more about that lawsuit. i will say one other thing.

got away is a huge problem. when you redirect border patrol just to focus on the humanitarian mission because you are inviting in massive numbers of families and so border agents now are all doing that work and what happened, thousands get in undetected over 1000 illegal immigrants a day are being added to the u.s. population who never come into contact with border patrol. that is a public safety disaster and it's entirely because of discretionary policy choices, voluntary decisions that joe biden has made it. mark: i guess we know why joe biden and kamala (vo) nobody dreams in conventional thinking. it didn't get us to the moon. it doesn't ring the bell on wall street. or disrupt the status quo. t-mobile for business uses unconventional thinking to help you realize new possibilities. like our new work from anywhere solutions, so your teams can collaborate almost anywhere. plus customer experience that finds solutions in the moment. ...and first-class benefits, like 5g with every plan.

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united states at an street but it's foreign governments and their incidence rate. what do you make of this? >> you have just cut to the core of the whole issue, mark. that is the center of everything. what does it mean to have a nation and to be a citizen in that nation. it was the uncontested idea for almost our entire history that immigration policy and decisions about immigration policy were made to benefit the people already living here, especially those who are citizens of this country. doesn't make your life better? does make your economy stronger? does make your community safer? and that was the moral center of immigration policy. the left has completely abandoned and rejected that idea and now it is the needs of the foreign citizens living in the foreign countries that are

superimposed over the needs of the everyday american citizens, including those who are struggling and here is why this moral principle is so important. what is happening right now is moral extortion, a lie is being told, a terrible lie by the left, that america is a systemically racist country and the only way to atone for its deep, intrinsic, irredeemable sin is to have functionally open borders and unlimited migration. that is the lie in the extortion is do not resist, do not complain about uncontrolled, unrestricted migration. i would just say this point and it is very important. if you are an immigrant to this country living here today and you have taken the oath of citizenship and you have become naturalized you are a full

member of our american family and you are a citizen now. our heritage is yours. our history is yours. our culture is yours. as a u.s. citizen, though you were born somewhere else, you are entitled to the exact same protections that every other citizen, you are entitled to have your needs come first, you are entitled to have your border protected, you are entitled to defend your kids to a safe and school where they can learn and grow and thrive. you are entitled to have your tax dollars spent on your own community so this is also, mark, about protecting immigrants living here today who are citizens in our country and understanding that as full citizens in america their rights are being violated too. i would hope all pro border lawmakers would switch their rhetoric about immigration to get back to first principles and say that my duty as a lawmaker, first and foremost, is to make sure that every citizen living

here today, u.s. born or foreign born has their jobs, their safety, their security but before every other consideration and i don't want to hear about amnesty and i don't want to hear about tolerating illegal immigration but i only want to hear about policies that make the lives and livelihoods better of the constituents i represent no matter where they came from. mark: you know, stephen miller, that seems to be the attitude of people who live on the southern border, on the united states side and the majority of whom are hispanic americans, that also seems to be the attitude of democrat representatives who represent them like representative —- who has been young and the pots and pans and telling the biden administration were destroying our communities here and has tried to take photos and to inform the macon people about what is going on. listen, i want to thank you for everything you have been doing and i want to thank you for what

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brought a 20 some and we don't know the exact number of enslaved africans to jamestown, virginia and that ship had intercepted a spanish slave ship in the caribbean taking most of the slaves and sold them in bermuda and brought the remainder of to jamestown where they traded them for provisions. according to "the new york times" that event the beginning of slavery and what was going to be, america and there are some problems with that which i can go into but basically "the new york times" claims that the event is the real beginning of america, that the nation that was going to be was founded on the oppression of african slaves, the white supremacy that emerged from that in the centuries that followed in which this attempt to extract labor and to oppress the rights of

black people came the founding idea of who we are, what we are and everything else that followed. it is a matter of some interest to me as a scholar that the event has described and not really take place. what had happened was that jamestown, virginia did not recognize slavery so it took these captives and treating them as indentured servants, not may be the best place to be in her life in the prime of life but an indentured servant only serves a few years of servitude and then is set free and we know historically that that is exactly what happened to these captives. they were set free and they were not reduced to a lifetime of slavery, if you what you called their position of indentured servitude was slavery, it is a mild form and nothing like the slavery that we normally think of when we are thinking of the chattel slavery of the pre-

civil war south. in any case, slavery had already been in north america and in south america a millennia before the arrival of the pirate ship and that was partly because native americans, as we know from south american and north america were, themselves, engaged in enslaving each other and later on whites when they could capture them, slavery was, of course, something that was nearly universal in the human experience all around the world. cultures and societies held people as captives and enslaved them so it wasn't an invention of the people in jamestown in 1619. it wasn't an invention of the english colonists in the new world, spanish and the portuguese had been enslaving

both native americans and african captives well before this. slaves really and what was going to become the united states had already been there for 100 years because the spanish had brought slaves to what is now florida and to georgia. so, things are bit more complicated then the times made out but they are founding idea is that the united states became the inheritor of this original sin of slavery and that became the basis of all our vocal institutions, our economy, our laws, our very principles of freedom and equality were according to this reinterpretation of american history is simply a smokescreen in order to make people feel justified in violating the natural rights of other people so, that is where i took off in writing the book about this.

mark: it seems awfully strange that "the new york times" and their project would take 1619 as opposed to some other date, isn't it? this is now being pushed into our school systems and i understand 3500 school systems are now using this and "the new york times" is intentionally preparing educational materials for this. so, the argument would go that 1776 not only was not the real event, the declaration of independence and prior to 1776, 1760s, 1770s, 1775 in the revolution were really started but that the revolutionary war wasn't really for independence, wasn't really for independence, they argue, it was to enshrine hey lily, i need a new wireless plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene

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♪♪ mark: welcome back. fetzer peter wood, president of the national association of scholars, author of an excellent book 1620 a critical response to the 1619 project. my question professor is this, was the purpose of the revolution in 1776 to enshrine slavery because, if it was after

all these decades of studying the american revolution i must have missed it. how do you respond to that? >> i respond to it as a, something that was made up pretty much out of clean air. nicole hannah jones the lead writer for the 1619 project contributed the first substantial essay to the 100 page magazine supplement where the times launched it and in it she made a number of claims that, i think just have to be seen as preposterous. one of them is the idea that the american revolution was fought by the colonists against england because they feared that the english king was going to emancipate american slaves and end the institution of slavery. now, there is nothing behind that. we know why the american revolution was fought and it if nothing else we have a handy document called the declaration of independence in which thomas jefferson laid out about 20 some

reasons why the colonists should rebel. it did not occur to him that they should rebel because there was a fear that english were going to end slavery. why didn't they fear that? they didn't fear because it was never a prospect. the english had, indeed, emancipated slaves in england and something called the somerset decision a few years earlier but no one believed that the emancipation of slaves was something that was going to be visited on the colonies. why not? the slave trade was a major british enterprise and they were profiting immensely from taking slaves to the caribbean. the only complaint the north americans had about the english slave trade was that the english were bringing too many slaves to the new world but, in any case, slavery was not a factor in that sense in the american revolution. to some extent it could be a factor of it in the opposite

direction and that the abolition movement that already had gained further adherence in new england and other parts of the colonies so that the imposition of british law was now getting in the way of that pursuit of freedom which was fundamental purpose of the american revolution, freedom of conscience, freedom of political self-identity, the new world was seeking a way to emancipate itself from england and was not seeking to further enslave or to mistreat people of african origin. you mentioned one moment ago that this was in our schools and i should add that what happened was that when "the new york times" launched 1619 project it partnered with the pulitzer center and the pulitzer center on the left page of "the new york times" saw the bombshell release of the support declared that it had already signed up

major school districts and teachers around the country. it went on to say that this was going to be turned into a curriculum, a curriculum suitable with variations for every level of schools from first grade through high school and so it has become. it has been heavily marketed to teachers into school districts and some like the buffalo school district, chicago school district have jumped right in and said this is how we are now going to tell american history. now, note that this is not just adding something to the way we teach history. it is meant to replace something. this is not telling the american history, as we know it as the pursuit of independence and liberty and equality but this is telling the history of america entirely through the lens of racial oppression so the claims are made in this report that american prosperity, every bit of this is founded on slave trade and the plantation system

and every bit of our prosperity as a nation that is free markets and to some form of capitalism derives from plantation slavery. every bit of the freedom that has been one through emancipation, through the civil rights movement but the black only enterprise, or white has no part of that and they are simply part of the systemic oppression. abraham lincoln is treated as someone whose motive in the civil war was not the emancipation of the slaves but rather the idea that america should be a place where the whites and blacks should be kept separate and he entertained the idea that you could exile the ex- slaves to some colony abroad. nicole hannah jones and her partners in this enterprise are telling the story that is factually untrue and anyone who does real american history knows that in many of those have come forward to complain that the

times has been manhandling history. it is a strange thing that a newspaper of all things would think that it has the intellectual authority to wipe away american history and replace it with something that is brand-new. the brand anything that was created —- the brand-new thing it is creating is not the product of scholarship or historian aid of the ten major essays in the times product were the creation of journalists and people who are not historians at all it proceeds without footnotes or any recognition to the history that was told before this. so, we are in a kind of effort to promote propaganda. mark: i would remind the audience that this would be the same new york times and there have been several scholars who have written about this and i have written about it that, for the most part, covered up the holocaust when 6 million european jews were being

exterminated and the same new york times the printed lies from walter duranty, their man in moscow, joseph stalin's flunky and about the slaughter or the ukrainians of the hands of stalin so "the new york times" has a pretty bad past when it comes to history and human rights. professor, i want to thank you very much. outstanding book, 1620 critical response to the 1619 project. this is the book that should be in all the schools in america and good luck to you, sir. >> thank you so much. mark: wealth is breaking ground on your biggest project yet. worth is giving the people who build it a solid foundation. wealth is shutting down the office for mike's retirement party. worth is giving the employee who spent half his life with you, the party of a lifetime. wealth is watching your business grow. worth is watching your employees grow with it.

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you watch cnn and msnbc and the people they bring on the professors among others who speak, do they speak for you? do they sound like they are pro- american? they sound like they're talking about the same america that you live in and i want you to remember something, when people trash this country they are trashing you and by you i mean all of you, regardless of your race, regardless of your religion, regardless of your ethnicity and regardless of your gender preference, they are trashing all of you. who is it that they embrace ultimately? class warfare, oppressed or oppressor? these are foreign concepts and these are concepts imported into the united states from marxists and these are concepts taught to children by tenured professors in our colleges and universities accountable for literally

nobody. we can't allow that ideologye o conquer us from within and as long as i am still sitting here and as long as i am behind a microphone and as long as i have a breath to brief they won't join me and i hope you will get your copy of "american marxism". i will see you next week on "life, liberty and levin".