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mcenany and host of "kennedy" on fox business, kennedy. former arkansas governor and fox news contributor mike huckabee, i've missed you, good to see you. now, for the suspected gunman, police say tried to shoot his brother and ended up hitting three innocent bystanders in times square in the middle of the afternoon on saturday. an officer can be seen brushing team crushing the 4-year-old little girl to an ambulance are stunned bystanders watch all of that unfolds. police say the child was toy shopping when she was shot, in that tourist mecca known as a crossroads of the world and the child is expected to be okay after undergoing surgery. the other victims also are in recovering, the police officer, the former teacher from a family of cops broke moments ago to fox news and said her motherly instincts kicked in as she comforted that poor girl.

>> i just took the tourniquet off and put it on her leg and applied the tourniquet to the baby and just search to make sure she didn't have any more gunshot wounds. and something just came over me, if this was my kid i'd be running her to an ambulance or a hospital or somewhere other than just keeping her here so i just picked her up and brought her to the ambulance. >> harris: governor huckabee, your reaction? >> governor huckabee: the real hero in all of this, alyssa vogel, the police officer. i'm glad no one defunded her. she rushed that child into the pediatric center of the hospital having ridden with her in the ambulance. giving comfort to the mother of the baby. and what a tragedy. shootings are up from 239 to the same time last year to 463 now when you start to think about what an uptick that is in the violence in new york city and just shootings, you would think

bill de blasio might question some of his policies but he doesn't. he questions whether or not this is because of guns being pushed into new york illegally. can i give them a news flash? criminals don't obey the law, they are not obeying the laws that has new york as one of the most nonfree cities in america at least in writing but it isn't in practice and this is a guy who wants to let people out of their bail and run the streets even when they are already convicted of violent crimes in the past and this is a guy who somehow thinks that it's going to be okay to let criminals roam and then at the same time cut funding for the cops. what a tragedy, what a horrible tragedy because of the mayor that is utterly incompetent. >> harris: i've never lived in new york, so when i come to you, kennedy, my main question is, what in the world's happened in your city if it has fewer cops

because of all of the defunding because potentially that is coming. we are on a show called "outnumbered," you don't want to be in a place where the cops are outnumbered. >> kennedy: no, and you don't want to be in a place where they are retiring in droves and that's what's happening in places like new york city, we talk about it on the show, retirements are up 75% and cops who have considered leaving the force are doing it now, they've been thinking about the last couple years now and they are really pulling the trigger and leaving the city and mayor de blasio, the governor's right, he is utterly incompetent. he celebrating his birthday party and squeaking out some excuse about illegal guns flooding the city. there is a sense of lawlessness and new york is a very different place, very different than any other city in the country and arguably in the world, it has to be run and police differently and his interaction with his own police department is abysmal, he

doesn't support his police, he doesn't have any rational reform, cops are demoralized and for what they have to put up with, it's still tremendous that there are heroes like that on the force, this woman who sprung into action, who felt a calling for a life of service in the nypd and there are still so many good cops like that out there and i'm glad she's getting some recognition today because she could've save that child's life. >> harris: kayleigh? >> kayleigh: if you see what's going on in this country, look no further than the numbers. we have the largest increase of homicides on record for a year, since we began taking records at the beginning of the 19th century so the biggest one year increase ever, a professor professor from cornell to say we are undoing decades of progress ray what happened last year when we had this record increase in

homicides, the defined the police movement began. foxnews.com put an article out in april, that goes, from l.a. to portland to minneapolis to new york city, it's tied to the defined movement to the increase in homicides and violence rate in new york city they cut a million dollars from the police budget and what happened? an increase in homicides, like tragically we saw yesterday, the shooting of that girl, thank god she kept her life and survived that incident but what happened when you defunded the police? 1200 individuals who were signing up to trade it trainers nypd officers were no longer there. there are more alyssa vogel's in this country than there are derek chauvins by a long shot. he wrote police officers are not there because of the defunded movement. to be when it's an excellent point and you asked such a perfect question and that is coming you know, what happens when these police officers are not there, whether it's true

attrition, retirement, sadly the morale is so low, we are seeing that still at nypd and other police department across the country in the category of suicide. it is just heartbreaking but what really does happen, and you lose things like the prevention unit that has several hundred police officers in it and now some of the people, emily, who were planning to run, they've thrown their hats into the ring to run for the mayor's seats, among them is the brooklyn borough president eric adams and a lot of democrats, he's been calling for supporting the police all along, those calls are getting louder because that prevention unit is affecting the entire city of burroughs, not just manhattan. >> emily: right, and just to provide that larger landscape for viewers, first all, mayor de blasio had a city aide come out and make a statement, that while the mayor does not typically appear at shootings where no one has died,

that's in contrast to former nypd captain eric adams, just brought up the brooklyn borough president and also andrew yang who both gave statements from times square, who had the physical and shutter come down to the scene of the shooting and express solidarity with the victims and the victims of the crime wave that keeps imploding and exploding throughout the city. both of them as you said, called to restore some type of law and order to the city while also acknowledging the disproportionate impact that crime has on black and brown communities, also acknowledging the benefit of additional community support programs, they were saying we can have all of those paid to kennedy's point about policing and governing differently in new york city, of course there were a lot of other democratic candidates who came out in blamed the "pandemic of gun violence," some blamed all the illegal guns and many said this is just another example of why we need "bigger solutions that aren't about incorporating money and funding the police"

and of course there are two pro-g.o.p. candidates called for additional criminal justice reform and also to restoring the funding to nypd so i think it's really important because all of this, the primaries are obviously next month and the final election in november, this is going to be a really big race and to me this will speak of the mandate because how does everyone want new york city to be governed? by someone like bill de blasio who let this happen, who let the city start festering hand doesn't show up when he's needed or hopefully one of these other candidates i can get it right. >> harris: kayleigh, i want to come back to you for just a second, i think it was you, you were talking about the whole thing with bill de blasio, he steps aside but there are other cities we are seeing this happen across the country, that happened to be democratic and lead city so what is at the core of all of this that we may even see replicated as we get into the hotter months?

because that is oftentimes we will see categories of crime spike. >> kayleigh: that's right and we saw it last summer in a real and palpable way, in new york city a 1-year-old was put in a casket, i will never forget "the new york post" headline, 1-year-old who was shot i believe at a barbecue, these are real human lives that are at stake, in democrat cities, yes, minneapolis, l.a. and new york city and this is why elections are so important, the new york city primary is really going to determine, is new york city going to go the way of rudy giuliani or the way of bill de blasio which we can all see has regrettable, costly, and even deadly ends. >> harris: we will move on, governor, really glad to have you here. just manage to shut down one of this nation's biggest fuel pipelines, so who is behind this and just how vulnerable are we to more cyber attacks? next. ♪ ♪ ghs.

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♪ ♪ >> emily: welcome back. a cyber attack that shut down one of the largest gasoline pipelines in the country has now exposed of federal emergency declaration in more than a dozen states end of the nation's capital, not only raising fears of a possible fuel shortage but highlighting just how vulnerable the u.s. is to this kind of attack. the colonial pipeline covers more than 5500 miles from houston, texas, all the way up to linda new jersey. until last friday it transported more than 100 million gallons of fuel a day, providing nearly half of all the fuel used on the east coast. the fbi, the department of homeland security and other federal agencies are investigating this cyber attack reportedly carried out by hackers linked to a criminal gang based in eastern europe known as the dark side. here is former cia station chief

dan hoffman. watch. >> you can be sure that state actors, russia, china as well as state terrorists are watching this very carefully to see vulnerable we are and launch future attacks against us. >> emily: governor huckabee, i'd like to start with you on this, there is generally three types of cyber attacks, there's the kind to send a message of capacity and capability and to gauge reaction and those attacks are usually reversible, there are just the flat out attacks that are very damaging, the effects of which are not reversible and then there's the third sort of reconnaissance type that we may never really learn about. now london-based group focusing on cyber criminality is reporting that people think the dark side might be from a russian-speaking state because none of the companies they ever attacked have been in a russian state, a post-soviet state. his russia testing biden?

>> governor huckabee: if, in fact, they are behind it of course they are testing biden, they are testing all of us in finding out whether the united states is prepared to defend ourselves against cyber attacks and we are when we are hit with that, what do we do? how good are we at determining where it came from and what will we do to retaliate? i think it ought to scare the daylights out of us that this can happen to nearly half the energy supply up and down the east coast and a can be done just so very quickly and it's taking days for someone to figure out who did this, who pulled the trigger? what happens when they do this to our electrical grid and everything shuts down? can you imagine if there is no electricity on the east coast for the west coast or middle america? everything closes, the banks, the stores, gas pumps don't work, nothing works, the whole world is blown back into the age of the flintstones. so we'd better start getting better prepared because this isn't the first and it certainly won't be the last and they are

going to come a whole lot more often and i'm not sure the biden administration recognizes that the real threat from the russians wasn't in the 2016 elections and it had nothing to do with donald trump, it has to do with our not being ready enough to deal with this kind of cyber attack. >> emily: so kayleigh are picking up on governor huckabee's question, do we have any inkling of what president biden's plan to combat a retaliate or respond to this would even be? >> kayleigh: we don't have indication about, if this russian what he would do but we have some insight on the cyber policy of the biden administration, of reportedly he's your preparing an executive order that would push back some of the cyber attacks and he would do that by requiring things like multifactor authentication so rather than just logging in with a password if you work with the federal government agency, the software companies would have to respond with a cell phone number so it does provide a layer of protection in this all spurred

out of the solar wind is attack which happened in the time of the trump administration, and in turn at the company set the password to "solar wind is one, two, three. end russia was able to attack nine federal agencies. it's good to see this executive order come forward but even federal officials have acknowledged to "the new york times," this may not go a long way in stopping attacks on our infrastructure, 85% of which is in the private sector are not within federal agencies. good to see a little progress but we need to get our heads together on this because it is a very real threat. >> emily: i was one of the federal attorneys whose information was encompassed, this has been going on for how long now, would an executive order just be a drop in the ocean and what do we need right now to know that ordinary americans and our government are protected? >> kennedy: we need congress to act and i think that's something that became very clear

after 2016 and it's something that democrats talked about a lot, how our election integrity was so vulnerable and, you know, you go ahead and you want every single person who's ever lived or died to vote in places like georgia but i think cybersecurity is so critical into the governor brings up a really good point, you know, here's this massive pipeline, i had no idea that this behemoth existed and look at all the corollaries, look at all the places that are supplied with millions and millions of gallons of energy week, what happens, he pointed out, to our electrical grid, what happens if our satellites are taken out, so many aspects where we are vulnerable but the problem is if you keep sending trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars on every other program, first of all you have to absolutely no flexibility to respond to crises like this and you also don't prioritize it where it should be when you've got everything else ahead of it

in the hopper. so the fact that we are spending so much money making government so much bigger actually makes us less safe, that's number one and never to come and make sure you are flashlights and water and a full tank of gas always. >> harris: unless your car happens to be electric because you were trying to get that. emily, if you would allow me i wanted to just jump in on kind of a theme that i hear hear, how do we keep this from happening again? i think you have to know who your enemies are and we can start with russia, we can start wherever we want to start but the dark side has been looked at and there's a company, who knows about dark side? it's an organized group of hackers set alongside the ransomware as a service business model meaning the dark side hackers develop and market ransomware hacking tools and sell them to other criminals who then carry out attacks. think of it as the evil twin of the silicon valley software start-up, so why is that

important? just what governor huckabee was saying, we may, kennedy, not of known about that whole pipeline from linda new jersey all the way to houston, texas, but our enemies know and we may not know about the dark side and all of their inner workings and how they use people to ransomware but our enemies know and are we prepared to fight a war in cyber? trillions of dollars being spent on other things and the warning shots come through in the governor today. are we really looking at where we can get hit and do we know the people who really can do it and are we watching our enemies? that takes resources, period. and it takes the willfulness to do it. i don't know. it's a question. but dark side is going to do this again and they are not the only ones. >> emily: just ahead, we are waiting to hear from president biden on the economy after the april jobs report fell

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♪ ♪ >> harris: fox news alert on this situation we've been following for about the last 90 minutes, israel now is striking back, firing a barrage of rockets and cy vance are ringing in jerusalem and inside other cities, the attack is coming during the muslim holy month of ramadan and israelis are celebrating jerusalem day. and the unrest has spilled over to one of the holiest sites in jerusalem, with israeli police forced to fire tear gas,

governor huckabee, you and i were there, on jerusalem day four years ago when they were opening our u.s. embassy there, rather than having it in tel aviv, going to where we consider more the heart of the city for jerusalem, and for israel, i should say. and what we are watching today is also really unbelievable because for the first time, a reporter said in all of his years covering this, governor, hamas is firing not just rockets into the air but they were firing from the ground. >> governor huckabee: this is really troubling for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that it's not usual that they fire toward jerusalem because they know that there are a number of muslims who are there so they don't want to kill them. they typically fire into the all-jewish settlements in communities, that are closer to

gaza, easier to hit and more vulnerable, those are a zillion people they fight back and they should. i will never forget what bibi netanyahu said. if israel lays down its weapons there is no israel. let's be very clear that this is not something that israel wants, they want to have peace, they don't want anybody else's land, they'd given up land over and over including giving up gaza and what are they get for that? they get this kind of stuff. i've got an app on my phone that goes up every time a rocket is fired out of gaza. it's been going up all morning long with all of these rocket attacks and it really is an outrageous assault against what ought to be the most peaceful place on earth. >> harris: governor, i want to stay with you, rocket attacks are particularly troubling today, for one, that sometimes can signal an escalation and you

said they were getting warnings of targeted assassinations which is completely different than dealing with rockets that you can sometimes see coming through and now also this nuance of firing from the ground. but when you talk about knocking off officials in a foreign country or another country gets very complicated and dangerous for its citizens because you don't know what they will do to get to the target. the other issue today, are the rockets themselves, governor, they were firing a mix of short range, midrange, even a bit longer range rockets. >> governor huckabee: and that's something that is very troubling, again, because they have often shot for things in tel aviv, but the iron dome is pretty effective in taking those out of the sky. but when they are close range and they've been moved into closer territory, shot at long

range with the capacity to go in a guided manner, that puts a whole new spin on it. let's not forget, however, that this is hamas, unknown, recognized terrorist group in control of the government of gaza, it happened because israel at their guard down, moved out of gaza, they left it to self-control of the palestinians and the people there voted in the most radical terrorists possible to run the country so therefore this is what happens when you let crazy people around the government and that's what they've got, terrorists, crazy people and it's just a tragic. >> harris: governor huckabee, if you look at the scene, we have a mix of live pictures and video because our reporter is still on the ground. when you look at the situation unfolding and look at this administration at all that it is facing, whether it wants to call it a border crisis, a crisis or

not, an economy that managed to cook up a very poor jobs report on friday, a pandemic, that the president wasn't sure if he could change the trajectory of and now he's out there with mixed messaging that smoked up people trying to get vaccinations and their understanding of them, it's a mess. when you look at that, what are you hoping the biden administration does about this? or are you hoping they don't do anything at this point? >> no, i want them to do something, repudiate iran. where does hamas get the money to do this kind of stuff? they get it from the iranians, this is a proxy war and why are they doing it? because they know the biden administration really believes that the iranians can be trusted and you can sit down with them and negotiate, send them pallets of cash and they will spend it on peaceful things rather than trying to develop a nuclear weapon and it's nonsense. israel has it right, when you get attacked like this you have to fight back and you have to fight back hard.

>> harris: canedy, i come to you and of course i enjoy watching you so much on fox business and your fans, your viewers know geopolitics is in your wheelhouse, i'm curious to get your point of view on all of this. this is unending but now it's changing and it's a dangerous day in israel, again. >> kennedy: it is and it's not something that benefits either side. what i'm curious about and, you know, maybe the governor or kayleigh and speak to this as well, some of what president trump was able to broker with neighboring companies like uae that normalize relations with israel, is there some way diplomatically that they can be involved in this process to neutralize what's going on and bring more economic prosperity and less conflict and bloodshed?

>> harris: kayleigh? >> kayleigh: kennedy puts his finger on a very important point, iran would not appeal at the end of the trump administration, the palestinians were on their heels at the end of the trump meditation, he brokered these normalizations of relations, these peace deals with middle eastern countries and it increasingly isolated the iranians and pushed the palestinians towards the table and i will never forget being in the oval office with president trump when we announce that historic united arab peace deal, the first of its kind and a quarter of a century and everyone said this is a one-off but there was bahrain, morocco, and then there were four during his tenure that's never been done in any administration ever and every peace deal further isolated the iranians and further push the middle east towards peace. i believe president trump would have gotten a second term, saudi arabia and peace deal which would've been huge would not of been too far out in the

distant future so i hope the biden administration can somehow continue the trend. i don't have that much faith but i certainly hope they can. >> harris: you know, kayleigh, quickly, i have been reading that jared kushner, former senior advisor to the president was looking to form a group and successful in hopes in keeping those reports, keeping an eye on them and perhaps communicating with the current administration, what are your thoughts on that and you think it would help? >> kayleigh: i think it's fantastic, jared kushner shared with me about this group last week, a brilliant young man who alongside jared negotiated these deals, absolutely, i think that is their goal. whether it was in the trump administration or the newly elected biden administration, we all want peace in the middle east, we all want israel, our strongest ally to be recognized so i praised jared for doing this, regardless of the demonstration he has one

goal and its middle east peace. >> harris: emily, your thoughts? >> emily: part of the catalyst for this recent conflict right now is the status of palestinians in jerusalem, obviously, and i just want viewers to understand that the israel supreme court postponed their key decision today, the ruling was going to come out today on that neighborhood, on that status, citing the "circumstances" and hamas has issued an ultimatum, giving israel until 6:00 p.m. tonight, either removing its forces and released palestinians, however we don't know what would happen if their demands are not met, if those three things are not met by 6:00 p.m. today, it's important to understand the broader context as well as the potential great risk for tonight as we continue moving forward. >> harris: we have an idea really quickly, governor, because i reporter on the ground is saying they were seeking escalation and anticipating that that would continue for two to

three days, based on history and the the communications they are saying about possible targeted assassinations being on the table. your last quick thoughts on this? >> governor huckabee: it's a very dangerous situation. it would be helped a lot if the palestinians would say something to hamas but they are not going to do it, they are not unhappy with the total disaster going on. they walked away from every peace negotiation there was and throughout the whole process of the abraham accords which are historic as kayleigh mentioned, they wanted no part of it. they want no part of peace, there will be peace in the middle east when mothers of arab children love their own children more than they hate the jewish children." and i think it still rings true today." >> harris: we will move on. we are waiting now to hear from president biden on the economy

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commerce secretary gina ramon denies that report, take a listen. >> this unemployment insurance has been a lifeline, a survival lifeline for so many americans. the number one reason, now, that people aren't going back to work is what you said, fear. or they can't find child care or schools are so close rate we will monitor it as necessary but right now we don't think that's the reason people aren't able to go back to work. >> kayleigh: kennedy, with the commerce secretary said there seems to be a talking point in the biden administration, president biden himself said there is no measurable way to say people are going back to work because of these benefits, treasury secretary as well coming, janet yellen coming out and saying that's not a major factor in there seems to be a trend, the only problem is the facts and the data, when you have the national federation of independent businesses saying there are 42% of ceos and small business owner saying they

can't find people to work, 7.4 million job openings, you even had obama's own economic advisor to say this, if you look at april it appears there were about 1.1 unemployed workers, for every job opening, that's a lot of jobs out there. so why the mixed messaging that seems to depart from this fact? >> kennedy: because they are completely unhinged from reality and that's a very dangerous place to be, i don't know who they are talking to, i think these are just talking to each other, these are a bunch of government bureaucrats who have only earned government paychecks, they don't know what it's like to have to run a small business and all you have to do is talk to her restaurant owners, talk to shop owners, mom-and-pop retail and they will tell you they will not be able to operate at greater capacity because they don't have the people to come in and take these jobs and they say it is a direct link to the unemployment insurance that people are

getting right now. it is a very simple cost/benefit analysis that workers are making, by making more staying home, why would i go out and work hard and get a job? through no fault of their own, it's not being condescending, it's pretty straightforward so you have to taper that down so that businesses can go out and employ people. otherwise they have to raise wages, they have to raise prices and that hurts middle income earners the most. >> kayleigh: governor huckabee, you are a former executive yourself out in the state of arkansas and what we are seeing is republican governors push back on this idea that we should get these unemployment benefits, i know these are available until september, i'm cutting them off mid-june, i will give a $1200 bonus to anyone who gets a job before that deadline. that's the model we should have for governors across the nation. >> governor huckabee: it absolutely is and it just makes

good sense. i mean come of the people out there who are living off stimulus checks and unemployment are not as stupid as a people in government who come up with these plans are pay people more money to sit at home watching netflix than they would get by going out and working. look at all the help wanted signs all over the place. here's just a little bit of truth, whether you are training dogs are raising children are running in economy, there is a basic principle at work. what you reward you get more of it and what you punish you get less of it. if you reward people to not work, you get more people not working and when you consequence people for working and you actually punish them for working by taking their money in taxes and then you make them work harder for less pay, guess what? this is what you get and that's what we are seeing in the country right now. >> kayleigh: it's exactly right. harris, your thoughts, president biden is currently blaming, believe it or not, president trump or what's going on.

>> harris: so one of the things that president trump said all the way back last summer was "we need to have all the schools open so that parents can go back to work." we need to give them some source of having day care open, we need to make sure that there is something for america's children across the board, those infrastructures that existed, in open fashion and the science back to doing it then, the science backs doing it now, when president biden speaks today, if he doesn't talk about that i don't know what the point will be other than to try to verify or somehow clarify or defend his thirst for giving more benefits when people clearly could take the benefit of going back to work. it gives you a sense of everything, having a job is so different than having somebody can do cash buddies got open up everything in terms of our kids because otherwise where the kids going to go when the parents go back to work? >> kayleigh: exactly right. well, everyone, just ahead, this

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by president biden following friday's disappointing jobs numbers. how will he regroup? we will cover that and the lingering problems american businesses are having finding workers to fill jobs, will it be pain at the pump after that cyber attack on a major fuel pipeline? secretary of state mike pompeo joins us on that and more recruiting at the cia that he used to run and senator rick scott is here on whether there needs to be an investigation of the nih's role in coronavirus research at that wuhan, china, laboratory. i'm john roberts, joined gillian turner in me at the top of the hour for "america reports." >> kayleigh: the university of massachusetts at amherst has suspended three students over this photo of them massless at an off-campus party. now parents of at least two of those students are fighting back, filing a class action lawsuit against the school after it kicked the students out for their spring semester and refused to refund their $16,000

tuition. and well umass says the students violated its covid policies, the parent say the school at its national championship hockey team hold a parade with no social distancing and some students even going massless. kennedy, let me start with you here, this seems a little harsh, one of these girls as the valedictorian of her school, class president of her high school and they are just kicked out entirely, no tuition. >> kennedy: they weren't just suspended, they were not allowed to take their final exams, so that means that they had to scrap the year and essentially reapply for next year. this will not be, again, you and emily obviously are both lawyers but as a parent i would be doing is searching social media, for other students here to see if anyone else was at any sort of a gathering without a mask, and

i'm sure you will find hundreds of examples. so this should be a pretty clear case for them, they have every right to be upset. this is everything that's wrong with academia right now and it is such an uneven application of these rules and frankly, i love hockey but it's a little -- >> kayleigh: fox news points out that we don't know when this picture was taken, we don't know when they were in the clear, cdc guidelines saying if you are vaccinated you can be outdoors, however we do know the hockey team were violating governor charlie baker's executive order against parades and festivals, i don't think either group should be punished, let me be clear, but there does seem to be a disparity here. >> governor huckabee: it's more than a disparity, this is insanity, these girls got more in trouble for not wearing a mask outdoors than they would've gotten in trouble had they not worn close outdoors. and for them to lose an entire year of college is ridiculous.

come on. i'm glad their parents are suing, i hope they win and i hope they win a huge judgment and that no colleges this stupid again. >> kayleigh: emily, to you on the class action lawsuit? >> emily: they haven't filed yet so it remains to be seen but kennedy is correct in that it will be the different application, the university hosted that parade against their own violations... time governor baker's providence against festivals and parades and also this year draconian nature of this punishment. of that, kicking them out and keeping that $16,000 each and we know that umass amherst had among the strictest covid protocols at the same time and yet they've been levying interim suspensions. they have the support of their state senator and he's in full agreement with them. >> kayleigh: harris, bring us home. >> harris: quickly, i'm

wondering, a lot of education experts say that we've already lost 9-12 months of learning for a certain groups so to add onto that, another year potentially for college students is a huge penalty to pay in greater life for a mistake that looks like it took place in the time it took to take a picture. all right, we are going to move on. "america reports" right after this commercial break. thanks everyone for being here and governor huckabee. is elign for up to 100% of your home's value. so if you need money for your family, call newday usa. with automatic authority from the va, we can say yes when banks say no. veteran homeowners. three reasons to do a cash out refi right now. home values are high while rates are low. newday lets you borrow all of your home's value. and you could take out $50,000 dollars or more.

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