9:00 until 12:00. now time for a guy named tucker carlson. i said his name right. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." a lot of unprecedented things happening, but honestly, not all of them are shocking. for example, it probably shouldn't surprise you that once they got their hands on real power, the same lunatics who don't believe in human biology immediately made a serious mess of our economy. it took them less than six months to do is. first they said the us dollar has no value.al

predictably we wound up with threatening levels of inflation. but inflation does exist as you know. this is an example of a staple commodity but this wasn't bad enough. they then went and made things worse. to justify doing this they blamed the pandemic.us they just want to break the system and they did. the rest of us wound up with a bewildering combination of unemployment in the middle of a severe lockdown. we found ourselves with too many workers and not enough jobs. finally in 2021 if this doesn't

remind you enough of the 1970s we now have a serious gap. all along the east coast people could not fill up their cars. >> customers waiting at the pump people running out of fuel. >> officials warn drivers not to panic by. but already long lines with no fuel gauges. >> in emergency? if they ran out of food that would be in emergency. don't worry not this is real it's a conspiracy theory.

in a piece today the new york times said since the pipeline shutdown their has been no long lines at gas stations. apparently somebody in the newsroom found a television and a deleted that shortly after. they did not bother to change the law. is to shut down there been no long lines. in the state of georgia as of this afternoon all gas stations had no gasoline. metro atlanta the largest city in the south more than 20% of all gasoline had no gasoline to nsell.

the official explanation is that cyber criminals hack to the software a major american pipeline. they handle more than 2 million gallons per day., that's roughly half the entire supply is not a small problem in a country like every country on earth that room quires fossil fuels to survive. but don't worry our new energy secretary said it's not that we have a gasoline shortage. is that we have a supply crunch. and that is very different from a shortage, at least in some theoretical way that is important to jennifer granholm. so what is the white house doing about this supply crunch that is not a shortage? well, here is the answer from anne neuberger, the confirmed

nongenius who somehow serves as the deputy national security advisor for cyber and emerging technologies. >> so first, we recognize the victims of cyber attacks oftenan face a very difficult situation. they have to balance, often, the cost-benefit when they have no choice with regard to paying a ransom. colonial is a private company and we'll defer information regarding their decision on paying a ransom to them. >> it has the administration offered any advice on whether or not to pay ransom? >> so typically, that is aat private-sector decision and the administration has not offered further advice at this time. given the rise in ransomwarera that is one area we are definitely looking at to say what should be the government's approach to ransomware actors and to ransom's overall? >> tucker: that is the person protecting you from cyber criminals. colonial pipeline, anne neuberger word would like to remind you, is a "private company." and as a matter of principle the white house does not get involved in the affairs of private companies, not unless private companies were to use the wrong pronoun in a sentence in which case the fbi would arrive with a s.w.a.t. team and televise an arrest, but in cases

where the mere fuel supply of the entire eastern seaboard is at stake, anne neuberger and her friends at the white house strongly prefer a hands-off approach. they are situationally libertarian that way. what is this about? well, you know come on some level, let's be honest about it the white house approves of this disaster.es yes, some gas stations are closed tonight, but soon enough the lunatics plan to close all of them. close every gas station in the entire united states, shot it forever, to make way for some new, as yet not quite defined means of transportation that will magically replace the gasoline engine we have used for more than 100 years. this is a green revolution so who cares about some old pipeline? remember that on his first day in office, joe biden shutdown a pipeline. r that is the first thing he did. it was the massive keystone xl o pipeline.id joe biden did not wait for mysterious hackers to shut it down. he shut it down himself and more than 11,000 people lost their jobs. and by the way, gas prices went up.

in case you haven't noticed, gas prices have never gone down. the state of california, the average price of a gallon of gasoline is over $4. a year ago, it was $2.70. t in illinois, gas is $3.27 a gallon. last year, $2.10. it is not just two big liberal states, it is the entire country. in texas, gas prices are averaging $2.70 a gallon. last year, it was $1.50. the state of maine, the average price of gas it almost $3. a year ago, it was under $2, and so on. nationally, americans are paying about $45 billion more for gasoline overall than they were last year. why? this is the result of policyon decisions made by the new administration. this is the green new deal. we've got it already. and if you love gas shortages and electricity blackouts and no air conditioning, $80 plywoodot this is the program for you. tomorrow, the administration's bureau of labor statistics will release the new official numbers on inflation in america. you should know that a key part of that statistic is called consumer price index.

the consumer price index measures the prices of a carefully curated selection of goods and services. and if tomorrow's consumer price index number is flat, rest assured, the people on tv will tell you it is proof that inflation isn't real. should you believe them? well, before you take their y word, take note of what is not included in the official consumer price index. lumber, for example, because no one in america buys building materials. so you should definitely ignore this. >> in a recent study by fortune.com, the average price of lumber is now 280% higher s than what it was prepandemic which is causing the cost of construction to also increase 30-40%. in a statement from the division president, he says for a typical

1500 square-foot home, just rough lumber used for framing has increased from $14,000 per home to $29,000. >> tucker: 280%? wow, marge, that's a lot. what is going on here? typically in the material world where the laws of nature apply when the price of somethingg jumps, that quickly and that high, you have a supply problem because it is supply and demand. there isn't enough of that thing to go around.pl more people want it, and we don't have enough of it. does that apply to lumber? are there fewer spruce trees out there than there were a year ago? are those trees growing more slowly than they once did? have we seen a 280% increase in new houses being built? the answer is, no, no, no. the real answer, as you may have guessed, it is bad federal policies are destroying the price of everything in this country, from two by fours to diesel fuel to corn dogs. none of this is an accident

just as it was not an accidentn when the power went out in texas over the winter. it was not a cold snap that did it.ow it was a federal policy that encouraged the state to rely on windmills which don't actually work.wi so it's not a natural cycle. somebody did this to us on purpose. chuck devore is the vice president of the national initiative of the texas public policy. chuck, thanks so much for coming on. >> great to be with you, tucker. >> tucker: the white house does not seem that interested in addressing the closure of gas stations, and a fifth of gas stations in metro atlanta are closed tonight because they don't have gas, but that is not a big deal because the pipeline is a private sector company and we do not get involved in private-sector companies. describe if you would this

reaction, can we take it at face value? >> well, tucker, what we are seeing right now are features of the green new deal future. not bugs, right? this is all intentional. >> tucker: right. >> if prices are higher, we have to consume less, and by consuming less, we can save the planet, never mind what china does or what india does. it is all about reducing our standard of living so we can contribute to the future climate of the planet. from fiscal policy with the federal government spending trillions of dollars and then causing the fed to turn on those printing presses, more dollars chasing fewer goods, to policies that discourage oil and gas production, discourage the operational pipelines, what we are seeing is the beginning of our future unless we can stop it. >> tucker: what's interesting is that the dumb people among us, i am definitely in that category, wait around for one piece of legislation titled "green new deal" to get worried and we think, oh, that will never make it through congress and we forget you can affect almost all of the samemeha objectives with the regulatory agencies.

you don't have to pass the green new deal, you can just do it. >> you're absolutely correct. there something called the social cost of carbon that can be enacted through regulation. and the social cost of carbon is whatever they say it is. it is just a made up number anyway. and if that goesg through, if that regulation sticks, you are going to see not only the price of fuel go up, but also everything, because everything depends on energy to be made. your clothing, your food, your houses. everything is going to be tied t to that. on what they want to do, of course, is get us to consume less, and especially consume less oil and natural gas. it's just insane because it's going to damage, not only our economy, but it's going to hurt the working poor in america the most. they can afford it the least.

>> tucker: it seems purely punitive to me. i mean, if you want to cripple a country, if you want to make ita weaker, you cripple its energy supply. i mean, energy is progress.st this is a rich country because it has cheap energy. so why doesn't anyone say that? instead, we get caught in his labyrinthine debates about what we know about climate change -- not that much actually -- why does someone not just say that out loud? they're trying to cripple the country? >> in many parts of a country you are not allowed to say it. i was invited to new york state a couple years ago to address a group of independent power producers because no one locally could really talk about what wa, actually happening, and in new york, you had governor cuomo that was preventing any new construction of natural gas pipelines to bring american made gas from pennsylvania up through new york and into new england. and as a result, tucker, you know what happened that winter?d not only did they have to bring a natural gas from trinidad andi tobago, they also brought in from russia! russia! russian natural gas in massachusetts because weco couldn't use our own natural gas from pennsylvania. >> tucker: natural gas is

clean. natural gas is not coal. it is not a tire fire. i mean, you can actually literally burn -- you use tires -- not pollute. why do people who believe in staying warm in the winter, who believe in civilization, cede the moral high ground to lunatics who literally could not program your coffee maker, but somehow claim the right to control your energy supply? why doesn't anyone stand up to these mantles? >> well, they need to start standing up because it is only going to get worse from here on out. we have something called environmental social and governmental -- governance investing, est investing. your black rock, trillions of dollars being invested, and right now they are steering away from domestic oil and gas production and putting it into china! >> tucker: of course. yap your con starting to connect the dots tonight. chuck devore, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> tucker: one of the dots is you.yo your life is about to get a lot more difficult. it is harder than ever, as we've said, to buy lumber, gasoline

corn. those are not the only consumer staples that are getting a lot more expensive ad that may be god forbid, now jeff bezos jeff bezos' "washington post" is telling you that beef should be banned. beef, the food, the food website epicurious has recipes. why is that? t the connection between beef and testosterone, beef and masculinity, therefore it is bad. needless to say, harris -- he told us back in the fall of 2019, no more red meat. >> do you ban plastic straws? >> i think we should, yeah.ou >> but would you support changing the dietary guidelines? >> yes.>> >> the food pyramid, to reduce red meat specifically? >> yes, i would. >> tucker: and of course creepy beta dork bill gates is on board, thinks we should eat something called synthetic beefe >> well, there are some equivalents here, people like

beyond meat and impossible, that are creating category where instead of using the cow, they use proteins made in a factory and so there is no animal cruelty. there is none of this greenhouse gas release, none of that manure. >> tucker: so here is a little tip. t if you want life advice, you definitely want to take it froma bill gates.ou he has done a pretty good job makes a pretty crappy software. dave duquette. why do they hate beef so much do you think? >> hi, tucker. thanks for having me on. the funniest part about that whole bill gates deal was the fake situation is all but green. he's creating the ruse that it is a green situation, but it is not. when they put this fake beef bovine cells into a petri dish with whatever else they put in there, they end up -- it

creates -- mainly yeast, but it creates a bunch of co2 gas that has to go somewhere. it is all but green. >> tucker: i wonder if the escape of covid-19 from the wuhan institute of virology makes us want to conduct moreca reckless biology experiments or if you are on our safe food supply. >> the study we are doing that i talked about before was a study to prove that cattle actually have a net negative impact on the environment, but also, one of the things we are going to put into this is how bad this fake meat is, and all the things they put into the fake meat people don't realize what is going into that, and if they did, they wouldn't buy it and they wouldn't eat it. >> tucker: i mean, they eat a lot of other stuff that is

clearly poisoning them obviously, endocrine disruptors testosterone level, sperm count falling through the floor. is there something inherently unhealthy about beef, just straightforward beef? >> there is nothing -- we are omnivores. v humans are omnivores. we are not straight carnivoresad we are not straight herbivores we are omnivores. we are not built and set up to be a vegetarian -- vegetarians and vegans make up less than 3% of our population. and you have those people telling us what we need to eat take, for example, what happened to governor polis in colorado a few weeks back. he had his meat out day and it turns colorado into a giant barbecue. you can probably smell it all the way over there on the east coast, because everybody went out and bought meat that day instead of a meat out day they had a barbecue day. >> tucker: these people are so predictable. no gas, no meat.

dave, thanks for coming on, i appreciate it. >> you bet. >> tucker: so when one of the most amazing stories ever told ever, the guy in charge of america's response to covid turns out to be the guy who funded the creation of covid. we are speaking of tony fauci. the experiments at the wuhan laboratory that the u.s. government, with his approval paid for.. well, today, fauci finally faced some questions about what he did in the united states senate and we have video of that. still has not been indicted, but it is a start. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ we will be right back.

>> tucker: thanks to an amazing piece by the former chief science writer from "the new york times," nicholas wade, we have learned that for years, tony fauci signed off on funding for a gain-of-function experiments at the wuhan institute of virology. tony fauci approved that funding despite a federal moratorium on gain-of-function experiments because they are dangerous. now we know that wuhan lab was almost certainly where the coronavirus pandemic began. finally, someone asked fauci about this. at a hearing today, rand paul became the very first. here is part of the exchange. >> dr. fauci, do you still support funding of the nih funding on the lab in wuhan? >> senator paul, with all due respect, you are entirely and completely incorrect that the nih has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the wuhan

institute -- >> do you fund dr. barrett's gain-of-function research? >> dr. barrett is not doing gain-of-function research, and if -- >> a bad -- at least 200 scientists have signed a statement from the cambridge working group saying that it is a gain-of-function. >> well, it is not. >> tucker: oh, so he just flat out denied it. but if you listen carefully and if you kept listening, fauci admitted that actually, he may have signed off on funding of gain-of-function experiments. he went on to testify, "i do not have any accounting of what the chinese may have done." okay. isn't it your job to know what they are doing since it was our money?

but he said, "i am fully in favor of any further investigation into what went on in china." what is the true here? alex berenson has spent a lot of time looking into this and into the broader question of how the u.s. has responded to covid. he is the author of "unreported truths the series" and we are happy to have them on tonight. alex berenson, the nicholas wade piece, as i know you have read laid out with a lot of clarity on how u.s. tax dollars wound up in wuhan funding experiments that killed millions of people. fauci is denying any connection to this at all. what should we believe? >> i do want to push back on you a little bit here because -- >> tucker: please. >> talk about indicting tony fauci is a mistake. i think our focus -- >> tucker: well, i don't. >> the chinese did a lot -- they spend a lot of money, and very little bit of that money seems to come from the nih, okay? and tony fauci oversaw a

multibillion-dollar budget. this was a small grant and a portion of a small grant, and i think he probably had no idea or, if he knew about it, it was 5 minutes in the course of a year for him as to what was going on. now, that does not mean he should not answer the question honestly and it does not mean we should not ask him, but i think making him the villain on this is a mistake. there are lots of other things i would make tony fauci the villain on first. >> tucker: but let me push back on you just for a second on this one specific question. we are in agreement on fauci with a a lot of bad decisions but this one specifically, the wade piece says the money came from his agency within nih, he signed off on it. using a loophole that allowed him to get around the federal ban on gain-of-function experiments, and that it went through a middleman to the institute of virology and was used specifically on experiments designed to make bad viruses is communicable to people. it seems like a pretty clear link to me, whether he had a lot of things going on at the time

or not. >> looked, the chinese were definitely doing that, and equal health alliance and peter drazic have a lot of questions to answer, and i think you are right, i think fauci does have questions to answer about this but again, i want to point out the institute he ran had a multibillion-dollar budget, and he and a lot spent on aids research and ebola research and other research. when he says he was not entirely sure with the chinese are doing there, i tend to believe him. here is my biggest problem with tony fauci, okay? when you look back at the statements tony fauci has made over the last 20 years, they are astonishing. he is deeply, deeply in love with himself and he wanted to curing it and get credit for curing it, and it did not happen, for being the guy who is a stop the hiv crisis. corona comes along and he is going to be the guy who saves corona and does it with vaccines. there are two good drugs that

have come out in the last year that have actually helped people with coronavirus. one is dexamethasone, and injectable steroid, that came out of a british trial, and the other antibodies that came out -- the nih was involved but not particularly involved. you have heard very little about those. why? because tony fauci wants credit for the coronavirus vaccine. a lot of what he has done in the last year has been pointed toward that, and i think we made some bad public health decisions as a result. >> tucker: well, that is for sure. let me ask you one last question about the gain-of-function experiments, they are clearly the most by definition potentially very, very dangerous and i think we are living through the consequences of one of them right now. why would any money from u.s. taxpayers go to support that? whether or not fauci do about it -- i think he clearly did and republicans know, but leaving that aside -- why would any money from u.s. taxpayers go to something like that? >> well, there has been this

argument that we should test these viruses or we should try to make these viruses more aggressive and able to infect humans better so that we will know what viruses in the wild can become more dangerous. i think the nicholas wade piece which obviously you have read too, is just really good at showing why that is such a phenomenally stupid idea in my gain-of-function shouldn't go on, and tony fauci should say that. he should say we are not going to do this anymore because it is dangerous. >> tucker: yeah! clearly. the wade piece points out, we have had leaks from labs of deadly pathogens for years. there is no lab that is impregnable. i hope you will come back. >> next time it will be worse. tucker, thank for having me. >> tucker: yeah. been pretty bad. good to see you. so, jeff bezos' warehouse workers can't get a pee break. some go in bottles. jeff bezos is buying at the largest got in the world. a lot of people are sick of this. jeff bezos' newspaper affecting

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>> tucker: well, there is no information tonight about a very strange relationship, we first n told you about it on this show. fox news' trace gallagher has more on this. trace? >> if he were still alive, you can bet -- when it comes to the political odd couple of frank luntz and kevin mccarthy, one thing is still certain, there is a rulere violation, we just don't know which will. if the minority leader was renting 400 square feet from frank luntz at a fair marketn, value of $1500, that would fit

in guidelines, but it definitely violates condo owners from renting anything less than the entire condo, and since the condo has 12 beds, 12 bats 7,000 square feet, worth $4.5 million with $5,000 a mont, in association fees, experts say full rent would be $25,000 or more, which is why nonpartisan investigation about whether the house gift rule was violated. as for allegations that mccarthy was rooming with a corporate consultant and lobbyists, watch. >> frank is not a lobbyist. frank is a friend i knew, just rented a room for a few months there. i don't see there is any problem along that line. >> even though mccarthy is no f longer top dog in the house, in frank luntz's house, we are told he has top bunk. neither luntz nor mccarthy responded to our request for comment. tucker? >> tucker: the great trace gallagher, thank you.

well, amazon, the company founded by jeff bezos, owner oft the propaganda paper "washington post," seems to get more aggressive in his politics with every passing day. also getting richer. as small businesses across the country are closing, this entire sector of our economy, the last independent sector of our economy, has been crushed by politicians, amazon becomes more powerful, and it becomes more powerful because a lot of people use it because the service is incredibly convenient. but there are some people in this country, we don't know the phone number, probably tens of millions, who would prefer notot to fund jeff bezos' latest super yacht when the government of china by continuing to use amazon. are there options? what do you do if you don't want to use amazon? if you want to start patronizing american businesses. karol markowitz has thought a lot about this, a columnist ats.

"the new york post," and we're happy to have her on tonight. karol, thanks for joining us. i think there are a lot of people out there who know that amazon is bad for the united states, it's pretty aggressively anti-american as a company, but they feel like what else am i going to do? what else are they going to do? >> i think post-pandemic, thee, number one thing we should do is shop locally in our communities. we have had boarded up storefronts in your neighborhoods, boarded up main streets all over the country and i think it is our patriotic duty at this point to bring those businesses back.k. amazon had a gang buster year end, they did so well, last spring, and you could not buy anything at your local store could not go shopping for clothes, for example, a lot of people have the clothing delivered on amazon and so on. i think priority one has to be shopping locally in your own neighborhood, your own towns. >> tucker: is it possible, not to be defeatist about it, but amazon, you have to say, i cannot be more opposed to amazon, but it is the most convenient possible shopping option. there is a reason they are huge.

they are really good at delivering things quickly to your home. could you get by without using it in real life? >> so, i was in amazon addict. i would chop everything on amazon. had boxes arriving at my door every single day, and i really had to ask myself, did i want to continue on with a company that was making society a way i did not wanted to be? i'm pulling several conservative books was sort of the last straw for me. i realized we are really going to have an issue going forward if amazon gets to decide what we read, and of course, other things they do also really obnoxious to me. i made the decision to stop shopping them.m. look, i love -- my kids tell me they need glue for school, they get it to be the next day, i'll buy it, but i decreased my spending on amazon drastically and i urge other people to do the same. >> tucker: right. so, have an occasional beer don't drink vodka alone in theee morning.

it is a matter of moderation. i think you're right. karol markowitz, the last person -- >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so we have the coronavirus vaccine, people are acting as if it does not matter people are still wearing masks people are still under social distancing. but the idea that you must take the vaccine is universal. everyone says that. but not everyone is obeying. one of the people choosing not to take the vaccine is not an anti-vaxxer, he has taken many vaccines in the past and will take many more going forward. he is also, by the way, a u.s. senator, and senator joined us next to explain why he is choosing not to do this. we will be right back. ♪ ♪ explain why he is choosing

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: the vaccine rollout has been pretty amazing by conventional measurements.ci there is more than enough vaccine to go around. some states have more than theye need. a number of states do. anyone who wants to take the coronavirus vaccine can. there is no problem getting it. you can even get it for free. and that, you would think, would be enough. if you're worried about covid

high risk from it, it's your choice, you can take the vaccine. if you choose not to live in previously infected with covid have the antibodies to protect you more than the vaccine ever could, you don't have to. suddenly the country is under intense pressure, social and legal pressure to take the vaccine regardless, and anyone who says "maybe i don't want the vaccine" is written off as some kind of lunatic, antiscience anti-vaccine. senator ron johnson, republican of wisconsin, is not anti-vaccine. he has taken a lot of vaccines. he expects to take many more vaccines. he has taken the annual flu vaccine. but he has elected not to take this one from a veryhe controversial choice. we have asked them to come on tonight and to explain why. senator, thank you so much for coming on. brave of you to admit your personal health decision in public, and just wondering why you have decided this. >> well, tucker, this is really an example of media bias run amok. two months ago, i was asked by a milwaukee reporter if i'd been vaccinated, and i said no because i have had covid. i think that probably gives me

based on what i've read probably a strong community as someone who has been vaccinated so this was not a time where we had enough vaccines to go around, so i let them go before me. kind of reconsider it later on. of course, i was immediately labeled an anti-vaxxer, i was attacked, and all of a sudden it became an issue. i did get in contact with dr. noorchashm, you have had him on the show. he is very concerned about indiscriminate vaccination. really focusing on vaccinating people based on medical necessity, and he is also concerned about people who have been previously infected, you might have some publications. he actually suggested i take ans antibody test, which i took last week, found out my antibody levels, as high as his after his two doses of moderna, so he is actually for vaccines, as well and i decided for the time being not to get vaccinated and i will reconsider later on but againis this should not be a controversial issue. i am a champion of right to try

legislation, but the corollary of that is right to choose, as well, and we shouldn't be shaving or pressuring or mandating anybody get this vaccine. we have more than enough vaccine to go around right now, and people ought to respect other people's freedom and liberty anc their ability to choose whether or not to get vaccinated or not. >> tucker: well, of course. it is your body, your choice, as we effort for almost 50 years but i wonder about what you said a second ago. you have had the virus. you recovered from it. you had a spike protein test and antibody test that showed that you have as good or probably, according to the science, greater protection whonst covid than someone has been fully vaccinated, so why would you need to take medicine when you are already protected?ee >> well, that's the $64 question. why are they pushing this on everybody? i am concerned about them trying to push it onto children. let's face it, they aren't in a position of informed consent. we do need to recognize that this is not a fully approved

vaccine. n it's gone through phase one appears to be very safe in the early trials, very effective but we are still undergoing the phase two and three, so we need to be honest fearful i think myb role as a united states senator is not to encourage or discourage people taking to the vaccine but to be sure the government is transparent and the people have all the information. you came under attack for pointing out the vaers system. over 3,000 deaths occurred within the first 30 days of being vaccinated at 45% of those occur on day zero, one, or two. listen, i'm not saying the vaccine is the cause of those deaths, but what i am saying is that is something that we should seriously consider and we should investigate that further, and unfortunately, i think the cdc has kind of blown that off. >> tucker: yeah. s well, all medicine comes with risks, and often the risks are worth it. but if you don't need the medicine, you should not be

pushed to take it, obviously and that is why i'm glad you are brave enough to say that a g public. good for you. i hope you whether the inevitable attacks. senator ron johnson of wisconsin, thank you. >> i appreciate what you've been doing having the doctors on your show. great interviews, help people watch them.wa >> tucker: yeah, well, we believe in science and open inquiry, which is the basis of science. if others don't, that is their problem. thanks a lot, senator. >> have a great night. >> tucker: you, too. well, you probably noticed that some sectors of american society have become much more unhappy and neurotic. a why is this happening, and what can we do about it? it is worth trying to fix this. one journalist has looked into that very question and joins us next with his answer. stay tuned. urned back into material that we use to

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>> tucker: the biggest companies in america are thriving while most americans >> tucker: the biggest companies in america are thriving while most americans seem less happy. why is that?

sohrab ahmari, the author of "the unbroken thread: discovering the wisdom of tradition and age of chaos," it is out today.os he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. what is going on, and how can the average person respond to make himself and his own family and island of sanity in the midst of this chaos? >> thanks for having me on tucker. this is a book i wrote for my son, and it is because just as a father, i am very concerned about the kind of world that he will inherit. it is a world that makes elites incredibly self-serving at it makes it very difficult for ordinary americans to live just decent, virtuous lives like they used to be able to. this world was created by a uni-party elites, a left establishment and right established, they promised us if we got rid of our supposedly oppressive traditions, we would find liberation. in fact, we find on the other side of it, in retrospect, those traditions, judeo-christian and classical ideals, actually, the restraints they provided, they kept us free and sane, and the loss of the traditions has made us less free, so an obvious example is gender ideology.

the idea that an individual gets to define who they are separate from what genesis and benedict tell us about the embodied nature of sexuality. this is sold as liberation but in practice it has ended up in pronoun codes and an incredible amount of repression. a more economic example might be the loss of the idea -- again the chamber of commerce, the idea that getting rid of our status traditions which go back to colonial america and intended to help workers and families have some time together, would free us, but in fact, it was freedom for large corporations and it has made our own lives parried and miserable. >> tucker: that's exactly right. sold as liberation turns out to be oppression. sohrab ahmari, i hope we can

talk for a much longer. max, for an hour. there is a lot there. appreciate you coming onto my comic and argillaceous on the book. >> thanks, tucker.r. >> tucker: we sent an hour with dave portnoy on "tucker carlson today," it is on foxnation.com. hope you will check it out.se and now, the man who controls 9:00 p.m. in america, the great sean hannity. >> sean: where is he? i can't find him anywhere. all right, tucker, thank you. welcome to "hannity." buckle up, tonight. multiple crisis emerging in the middle east, our southern border, our energy, in multiple states declaring states of emergency. a crisis at the gas pump gasoline shortages, lines to fill up your gas tanks, and the price of everything you purchased is going up, and the u.s. dollar is losing value inflation, rising interest rates all percolating, unemployment on