day to day. "fox news primetime" hosted by brian kilmeade starts really in 17 seconds, but i decided to engage you early. >> brian: okay. >> bret: to provide you the additional time. >> brian: i'm going to engage you for this 15 second now. harold ford did not play your game right. i thought i was the only one to blow it up. you wanted the next day's headlines not october 10th. we are all looking forward to that game. that's not the rules that bret baier laid out before. i want him fined, okay? >> bret: that's fine. >> brian: now ate up 8 seconds of my own time. thanks, bret. good evening and welcome to "fox news primetime." all right, bret was right again i am brian kilmeade and we have another huge show for you, devin nunes, mark levin will be here and mask guidance with some guy named tucker carlson so i don't think has a mask. cybercrime pays better than regular crime. the operators of the colonial pipe line reportedly paid the

russian hacking group darkside a ransom of nearly $5 million to decrypt the virus that shut down the line that brought distribution in the southeast to a grinding halt. according to bloomberg, colonial paid the russian hackers on friday hours after the ransomware attack began. but the decryption tool was so slow the company had to use its own backups to unlock the pipeline itself. among the people outraged house speaker nancy pelosi. she is not happy about the payoff. >> we don't want people to that there is money in it hackers who can make money off of even if they don't go as far as crippling the entity as with colonial they did not. i do think that there is a

governance role in how we protect our people and our economy from these hackers. >> brian: i think so too. even though it was painful for her to finish her thought. she is right. negotiating with cyber terrorists is a dangerous game. gives cyber criminals the green light to protect our public private infrastructure. the question is did colonial pay off these russian hackers with the white house knowledge, with the white house approval? joe biden refused to say if he knew about the extortion payment. but listen to what he didn't say about the pipeline yesterday. >> we have been in very, very close contact with colonial pipeline, which is the one area you are talking about one of the reasons that gasoline prices are going up. and i think you are going to hear some good news in the next 24 hours. and i think we will be getting that under control. >> brian: will to have known about it. this pipeline disaster may be coming under control. what about the next one? compans inability to properly guard

their technology leaving itself vulnerable to this evil organization. colonial may be able to afford to give the hackers $45 million. but, it's you, our viewers, 17 different states really paying the price. you the ones forced to wait hours online for gas. paying twice as much for gas today as you were last week you are the one ones still dealing with the massive lines not knowing when the shutdown will end. the only question is now who and what will be targeted next and will would he be prepared to stop it. time to meet two people who might know republican congressman from california devin nunes and cash patel former pentagon chief of staff and adviser to president trump. start with you, congressman. this can't be a surprise. there were 2400 ransom attacks in the last year alone. this pipelines were given a warning by the government that they could be targeted. why weren't they ready. >> a lot of u.s. companies aren't ready. i am happy that pelosi and the democrats aren't actually

blaming global warm like they are on the border crisis. that's one thing to be positive about in this whole situation. look, here's another problem. the entire intelligence apparatus has been running around for the last four months saying that conservatives and republicans, domestic terrorism was our number one threat. they have been wasting countless hours and hours and hours of the intelligence professionals time who are supposed to be looking at, what? these type of foreign criminals. >> brian: good point. cash patel, in particular everyone on capitol hill seems to be focused on january 6th. but the lack of cybersecurity sophistication is what stands out to the "new york times." evidently, this organization had a microsoft exchange services that was way out of date. with so much at stake, should somebody else be overseeing something like this, a private company, yes? but we're paying the price for their ineptness? >> 100 percent. and if people are listening when devin nunes was chairman and screaming about how to increase our cybersecurity intention and

that cyber terrorism does exist. it's nice to see that nancy pelosi and biden have taken a break from saying white supremacy and domestic terrorism are the nation's number one threats to national security and actually recognize maybe for once that that is just a political jab and the reality exists in the intelligence infrastructure with chairman nunes highlighted. and, yes, we have apparatus that are supposed to focus on this kind of work and that's what devin overseas over at the dni. they are responsible for setting the collection posture across america to defend our nation. when you point it in a shape of a target that doesn't exist white supremacy and domestic terrorism you will miss every cyberattack all day long and we pay the price. >> brian: absolutely. congressman, the other thing is what do we learn from this? in five days they made $5 million. in fact they got 45 million the next day. this pays well. and america suffered. that's the combination our enemies are looking for. what's next? >> well, there's a couple things that we need to learn from this one is we need more pipelines.

we should not be reliant only on one pipeline. that he was the whole point of the keystone pipeline by the way biden stopped on his first day in office. so, moving forward, i think u.s. companies are going to have to really double down on their cybersecurity. it's getting more and more dangerous to be -- have an open internet in a system that operate on an open internet. so you are going to have to go to more hardened systems, and that's something that house intelligence committee republicans have been pushing for nearly a decade now since i have been on the committee. >> brian: you know, secretary granholm says we should be looking at electric cars, getting a tesla, kach patel, is that going to help? >> i don't know how teslas are going to help cyber intrusions like the pipe bine you are talking about. electrical grids are at the same risk and intelligence professionals from overseas want to target america can do so for a small amount of money and cause a great amount of damage unless our leadership, outside of devin and the republicans on house intel get their act together and say the threats

that actually pose the biggest danger to american national security are these cyber criminals and not these make believe domestic white supremacists that don't exist that they blameddian 6th for and as you said the narrative have been totally defeated by the fact if anyone want to listen. >> brian: you bring up a food point. a sense america is vulnerable and weak. got the strong military and economy. massive come back right now. congressman nunes, in particular, think joe biden is being tested. we know this group exists in russia. we know vladimir putin can stop it in a second. speculate that the gru are actually involved in this send a message and it's got to be kick. >> easy to sit here in washington and spin up conspiracy theories with all your political consultants and polling and push it out of to the fake news media so they drive a narrative. everything comes to a stop when criminals actually figure out hey, we can actually cut off the entire east coast supply of

gasoline. so, you know, all the talking points, all the conspiracy theories, all the fake news at the end of the day can't stop what is just shear geography and science. >> brian: all right, kach, the pentagon is also vulnerable. we know about the solar winds hack, we know how many times our government has been hacked. yet, we invented the internet. we invented cyber technology. are we table of mixing with private and with the government and coming up with some type of defense that's going to allow us to sleep at night and not wait on gas lines during the day? >> we are absolutely capable of that look, as you laid out. america has the best cyber intelligence infrastructure and professionals in the world bar none. and, yes, they can fold in with the private sector as we do across dod and counter-terrorism matters all day long. but, it won't happen until and unless the biden administration stops politicizing the national defense of this country by making up targets and redirecting them at what

chairman nunes has been saying for 10 years, the russian and chinese and other counterparts. we have the money and brain power and right now the only thing stopping us is the political band width of washington and its leadership. >> brian: you have the country's attention now. if someone could step up and step above and tell us what you can do to secure some of these private and public companies i think people would pay attention and appreciate it congressman nunes and kach patel, thank you. >> thank you. >> brian: coming up now karl rove former chief of staff for george w. bush and very smart grind katie pavlich town hall news.com news editor and both are fox news contributors. katie, let's start with you, i think we are being tested. i feel like we are being tested by the russians who are preit anding as if you don't have control of hacking groups inside their borders, am i wrong. >> we are absolutely being tested, bribe, the white house continues to say the russian government was not behind these attacks. maybe they weren't but they certainly were watching the cyberattack play out as was china, as were other actors who have very serious and skilled

cyberattack forces that they would be happy to use against the united states to cripple the economy and to pit americans against each other. and it's not just on the cyberattack we are seeing this now play out in the middle east where hamas and hezbollah are testing president biden on his response there as his state department negotiates in vienna to get the united states back in to the iranian nuclear agreement and in terms of the doctrine and what the biden doctrine will be on foreign policy, can you look no further than the obama doctrine when it came to iran and they appeased that regime, which of course, is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the entire world. admitted that influx of cash that they would receive as a result of that deal that we signed under obama and got out of under trump would lead to more terrorism and went into it anyway. so when you are seeing this barrage of rockets on an ally, which is israel, that's the bigger picture there is the iranians and how the biden administration will respond to

their terrorism and outside of the nuclear agreement that we are trying to get back into. >> brian: karl, when we opened up the biden doctrine, what page do we open up to to find out his policy on iran? we now know that that was not a popular agreement in 2015. we know that senator schumer and cardin and menendez didn't sign off on it he barely got over 40 votes and had the majority in the senate. 53 state democratic leaders signed a letter asking the administration to do a deal and saluted them for the indirect talks in vienna led by a lot of important democrats. they want this deal done. so, what is the bind to come trip? should they get it done? >> well, definitely not. but, notice who those 53 signatories are on the letter. they're the left wing of the left wing of the left wing of the democratic party. >> brian: including keith keith ellison. complete left wingers of the democratic party, hard left.

many of them critics of israel. so, why not take israel's greatest opponent in the region and the largest funder of terrorism in the region and make nice with them rather than standing by israel? so, no, this was to be expected at some point, at some time. i think it's not because the administration is being strong on iran or taking -- or standing by the sanctions, but, instead, because it's not really clear what their policy is except let's make a deal and the left wants to push them in the direction of playing let's make a deal. i want to go back and say one thing though about the colonial pipeline. i was shocked when the president went out and was asked about this following his news conference and rather than saying we're going to get these guys and maybe he should have said also we are talking to the russians to try and understand whether they were involved in this or not and they better not be because there will be a price to be paid. what did he do? he sort of pivoted and started

talking about how we needed to have education programs that meant more of our school children would be able to graduate with degrees in coding and become, you know, cyber warriors. and of course that will only take like ten years. we got an immediate problem. let's talk about something ma'amy pamy way off in the future it was a very strange response. >> katie: and he walked away. he said i'm not supposed to answer questions. he said i'm not supposed to be answering questions about this. you guys are bad didn't want to answer questions about it and attempted to leave. >> brian: i just wonder, karl, if you told george w. bush not to answer any questions i wonder how that would have went over. >> the question was don't answer questions from brian kilmeade. that was the one golden rule. >> brian: and he was very successful in that except for he let me do the play by play on the last t-ball game at the white house with tim mccarveer that was pretty cool. karl and katie, thanks so much. >> you bet.

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work because they want to sit home is ridiculous. >> so i think that this notion that people are not going to work because would rather stay at home, i have been seeing that all of my life. it has never been true. it's not true now. i don't think that will be true. >> brian: joining me now mark levin, author of the peculiar that comes out july 13th, that you can order now, "american marxism" the same guy the host of mark liberty and levin seen sunday nights here on fox news channel. mark, thanks for joining us. i have got to join right back into a topic you basically cover in the overview of your book. 11 republican governors say i can't get people to work forget the supplemental democratic governors come out and say that is cruel. what's your reaction? >> you know what's cruel is when you have small businesses that just went through a pandemic, they are trying to come out. they are trying to serve their neighborhoods, they are trying to serve them food and groceries and serve the community, and

they are competing now with the federal government and they are competing with these radical agendas. the fact of the matter is unemployment compensation is for people who cannot find jobs. with 8.1 million jobs that are open today, we have people pouring over the border like we have never seen before, illegal aliens who are going to take jobs at pennies on the dollar. the democrat party, economic agenda is very unique. as a matter of fact, we have never seen anything like this in world history. even cane said you spend more when you are a depression. you spend less when you come out. they spend more whether it's a good economy, bad economy, no economy, it doesn't matter. biggest problem we have here, brian, is the president president biden, the speaker of the house pelosi and the democrat leader in the senate between them they don't have one minute of private sector experience. they have never hired anybody. they have never worked at 7-eleven.

they have not been responsible for producing a damn thing. all they know is government. so, for them they just pass spending bills and spending bills. in the end? what's going to happen? massive inflation followed by deflation, people are going to find that their incomes and their savings and pensions are worth a held of a local. it's an attack on the currency. they are utterly out of control. they have spent trillions, they want to spend 4 trillion more. they are taking money from productive sector and giving to unproductive sector while they are expanding the unproductive sector in the welfare state. this is an economy for a nation in decline and none of this was necessary. >> brian: mark. i sense that they thought they will flood the zone with money, the economy was going to recover anyway and it will help them have a good 2022. but something happened along the way, inflation is happening. you have got four crises simultaneously and the job numbers was terrible. their plan is blowing up in our face. >> yeah, because these are

economic illiterates, these are idealogues, as i say in my book not to hawk it right now "american marxism" you are calling these people marxist adopting fundamentals not marxism, class warfare, every time biden speaks about classes he talks about the rich vs. the poor. oppressor vs. oppressed. we have critical race theory. critical immigration theory. critical gender theory and on and on and on. when do they ever talk about individual responsibility, entrepreneurship, whether do they ever talk about creating growth, wealth creation in this country? never, they never talk about capitalism in a positive way. let alone the constitution and americanism in a positive way. this is a very diabolical party. it is a dead ender party. it's dragging the whole country down even though they have no mandate to do any of this. it's 50/50 in the senate. but for our constitution, kamala harris breaks the vote. they barely are holding on to

power in the house and what they are trying to do now, whether it's election laws or anything else. >> brian: right. >> create a one party country that destroy the republican parties so it doesn't matter how many votes they get. they will just be in charge. >> brian: joe biden said many things when he first got this job. he said, if i make a mistake, i will tell you when i'm wrong. well, is he telling us he was wrong when he stopped building the wall, when he committed to building 13.5 miles of wall because it's such a catastrophe on the border? we're up 900 percent year to year? what do you think, mark? >> look, let's look at joe biden quickly, his career. he lied his way through college. he plagiarized his way through law school. in 1988 when he ran through president he was stealing words from robert kennedy and neil kinnick. now he is stealing policies and words from aoc and bernie sanders and the hard left. so they are going to build 13.5 miles of paul are we supposed to do jumping jacks over this. there are hundreds of miles of

wall left unbuilt. and joe biden knows damn well, or at least the old joe biden knew damn well that we need to build the wall. what they're admitting, whether they like it or not, is that the wall works. why build one more foot of a wall if it doesn't worso 13.5 m. they ought to finish the wall but they are not going to. because they see the illegal immigrants coming into this country one day being democrats, basically these are illegal democrats coming into the country that's how the democrat party views this. >> brian: see, i just thought a savvy politician would say it's paid for. we are in a pandemic. he knows it works because he was for it in 2006. he would say i'm just going to finish what was here. we have to get through this health crisis and then i will condemn the wall after it's built. he didn't do that he played ideological politics and we are in a bigger mess than he could have imagined. i want to end with your perspective on. if people running with liz cheney saying this is proof the

fact that she came out and removed herself from leadership and they removed her. i think it was mutual agreement. look at the civil war in the republican party and liz cheney came out and said she will do everything she can make to make shoe that president trump never sees the oval office again. number one, is it a civil war and do you think she is right that the president trump will never see the oval office again? >> that's not a civil war. i mean, as far as leading battles and so forth, she is going to have enough trouble holding on to a district in wyoming which should have been a safe district for her. so what kind of civil war is this? these are never trumpers. she was never trumper in a position she should have never been in. i would say to liz cheney, with the spread of american marxism going on, open borders and attack on our economic system. attack on the courts. attack on the senate. an attack on everything you look at, and when you look at our foreign policy what's going on where biden is making nice with palestinian terrorists and communist chinese, among others, why don't you look in the

mirror, liz and straighten out what your thinking is? and while we are at it, george w. bush and dick cheney, why are you so quiet sitting on the sidelines which you see your country is under attack? every classroom sunday attack with racist idealogues. pushing an agenda. you see what's going on in this country. why are george w. bush and dick cheney sitting on the sideline and not criticizing biden and the democrat party? as far as liz cheney goes, i don't really care. >> brian: okay. i'm going to end with this. you see a lot of talent. president trump at 78 does not want to are up again, who intrigues mark levin? >> don't be so sure if he doesn't run again. >> brian: i'm not saying he isn't. >> there is a lot of people that i like. trump is among them. obviously desantis out of florida. ted cruz. you've got tom cotton. i could maim five, six, seven. mike pompeo, i don't mean to leave people off but i'm

guessing, i could certainly be wrong, but you ask me i'm guessing donald trump will run again. that's just my guess. but, i'm also a huge fan of the governor of florida. i think he has really managed that state in a magnificent way given all the challenges. >> brian: absolutely. he is not afraid of a fight and that's why he saw eye to eye with president trump on many issues. american marxism is out not until july but still remains number one on amazon. mark, can't wait to get my copy. it's not free. you make me pay and for that i'm happy to do. thank you so much for joining us, mark, we will talk again. >> god bless you my brother. take care. >> brian: all right. that was a the great mark levin. next, of the mask mandates is lifting and so is chris cuomo. tucker carlson has been leading the way on both these stories and he is here next. chris cuomo lifts free weights. ♪ ♪

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>> brian: today the cdc finally

decided that it's okay for vaccinated people to ditch their mask indoors. i'm glancing at next guest he is bumped up. even biden who spent the last year highlanding in his bunker felt safe enough to take off double mask today. that's great news. you might have thought different heard cnn go panic mode. >> frankly i was shocked by this announcement. i think they went from and the major step that's missing here is how do we know that people are telling the truth? >> this is not a free for all that everybody -- you know, and but i agree with dr. wynn, it is going to be very tenuous. >> i am kind of befuddled where this guidance came from. i think there are a lot of steps that we're missing. >> and the people who never wanted a vaccine how do i get them to wear a mask? >> that is a great question. >> brian: i almost took my cable out after i saw that tucker carlson joins us now. he is the host of "tucker carlson tonight" and "tucker

carlson today" and he is on fox nation and everything else. we will talk about another tucker carlson original. tucker, i was watching your action to this reaction. you can't believe that it's taken this long to get the green light to do something we have been doing all along and that's following the science and not wearing a mask. >> well, i'm just confused by the reaction because it's not rational and, you know, i don't want to accuse anyone else of having mental illness or emotional problems. these people are not thinking as scientists think. you can't simultaneously say that the vaccine is very effective and by the way, i see no reason to doubt that claim. it seems very effective. and, yet, at the same time say that once you have been vaccinated you are very concerned that you might be infected by people around you who are not wearing masks. that leaves a couple questions unanswered. the first that's never asked which is how exactly do we know that masks are very effective if n. preventing the transmission of covid-19. i don't think we do know that. if we do, i would love it see on

it study that shows that. more to the point, if you have been vaccinated why are you concerned that you're going to be infected by someone who is not wearing a mask? it doesn't make any sense. you clearly don't think the vaccine works if you are worried about that. and a lot of polling shows the very same. there was a poll yesterday by the morning consult that shows that the overwhelming majority of people who been vaccinated refused to rent a car or to go to parties. simply -- go on a cruz ship. the rest said they wouldn't. i'm not attacking anybody. feel sorry for people who are so afraid. a lot of people pushing the vaccine don't believe in the vaccine. i don't see another plantation brian brian same thing and joe biden forever. chris cuomo who lifts free weights and watching your show as well as joe scarborough outrage about this. wait a second, nothing lining up here next thing we know we have

an emergency press conference and joe biden comes out to the podium and makes the announcement i'm not wearing a mask. he tweeted this out after a year of hard work and much sacrifice the rule is now simple get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do. what is your reaction to president biden's request? >> well, it's not a q it's a re. it's a in and. of the president of the united states is not going to tell me or any other citizen whether a to wear. he is not offering a choice. he is laying down ultimatum. he is says if you don't get vaccinated you must wear a of course that. again, that's not within his powers to demand. it also doesn't make sense. he has been vaccinated those around him have been vaccinated a lot of people have been vaccinated i'm not attacking vaccination in any way. if you are very concerned about getting covid or high risk getting it makes sense to get vaccinated you should get vaccinated. i want to ask it again because i sincerely don't know the answer. why are vaccinated people so concerned with unvaccinated people? leaving aside the --

probably hundred million americans who have already recovered from covid, and who are protected against it because they have antibodies that are more effective than the vaccine. why should they get vaccinated? it doesn't make sense on the boast basic level. i'm willing to believe there is a reason. i haven't heard anyone explain what it is. that's really troubling and i mean that as an american, not as a partisan. what the hell is it? >> brian: almost impossible to get it outside with or without a vaccine. they just decided to tell us but we put it together a long time ago. tucker, we are running out of time and i have got to get to tucker carlson originals. before my show i go over other introduce. i got caught up in your original ar-15 under assault. here's a little clip from your brand new original. >> ar-15s is commonly referred toen as an assault rifle. it's not. >> it's a necessity to do what we do for the lively hood of farmers and ranchers and they can pass it onto the next generation and keep it alive.

>> brian: why was it important for you to do this? >> tucker: because they're probably isn't an american made product that's talked about more but about which less is actually known. this is the weapon of -- hearing about. it's used he a rhetorical device. the ar-15, the machine gun, the instrument of terrorists it seemed worth getting to the bottom of what it actually is. it's the most popular sporting rifle in america. a lot of law abiding people own them. almost every person that owns them is lawful and law abiding. we wanted to know what are they talking about? we took a deep dive into this rifle, into the ar-15 and it was fascinating. i learned a lot. >> brian: you knew a lot going. in and there is a big difference between that and other rifles like the ooze i couldn't end the piece with if you grew up like me. you will learn a ton. seems like a weapon that tucker carlson should have called brian kilmeade on hey, brian, if you are free this afternoon maybe i

could show you how to use this stuff. doesn't call. and i have a cell phone. i got a hard library. i have an email, nothing. [laughter] >> tucker: you can shoot bowling pin nice backyard any day. >> brian: thank you very much. >> tucker: the invitation remains forever. >> brian: the question is will you be there. you don't have to work for 20 more minutes. you can take a shower. appreciate it. up next on our show why more than 120 retired military general's and admirals are openly questioning president biden's mental fitness as general and chief. one of those generals jerry boykin joins us straight ahead. a little later you will love this. brown university signs off on the dangers of identity politics. he is not being canceled. he is being applauded. ♪ ♪ >> tech: every customer has their own safelite story. this couple loves camping adventures and their suv is always there with them. so when their windshield got a chip,

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what made you say i have to be part of this? >> well, i have put 36 years in the united states army. and i took an oath to the constitution. i may have taken off the uniform, but i did not -- i did not walk away from that obligation of continuing to support the constitution of the united states. and what we see and i can't speak for all the rest of these guys, but and i know less than a quarter of them, but what i think we see is what all americans that are objective see is a president that has -- that should be questioned in terms of his faculties. and, by the way, for five years, four of the administration and one of the campaign, donald trump was badgered every day over his questionable mental preparedness. well, where were those people that criticizing us now for joe

biden. where were they at that time? they were criticizing donald trump for exactly the same thing. >> brian: general, people watching right now might be saying that's just a conservative general is not happy donald trump lost. what do you say to them? >> i would say yeah, you are right. i am. but, do you know what else? i have made an investment in this country and i have six grandchildren and i care about the future of this country. and i'm very concerned about it. and, look, any objective observer would tell you that not only these crises that we're in right now but the direction that we're going and moving towards marxism and moving towards marxist revolution and by the way don't forget these marxists are very well-funded and very well-supported and i just heard today that the ford foundation put in about $100 million into blm and the ford foundation one of the most liberal marxist

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♪ ♪ >> brian: back in january thanks to union no-show shaders, thousands of students were stuck at home but i learn via zoom. chicago teachers were in the mood to dance. >> make it makes sense. safety. >> brian: i have some bad news for these interpretive dance fans. american federation of teachers

president randi weingarten telling her union, today students should be back in school in september. granted, it should have been last september, but better late than never. before we get too excited for her announcement, one question still remains: will the people who gave us this really listen? changing gears now. critical race theory is tainting classrooms across this country, like in buffalo, new york, where fifth-graders are learning curriculum centered around black lives matter, or take for example las vegas were students are forced to list which parts of their identity make them privileged. the list goes on. but before you give up on these institutions there is an ivy league professor who is standing up to this dangerous trend. >> we entrust them to shepherd young minds into their maturity, and to jump on a bandwagon and to fill their heads with slogans rather than challenging them with the best that human beings of any color have sought through

the ages is a criminal abdication. >> brian: let's learn more. manhattan institute senior fellow glenn lowry. thanks for joining us. what made you stand and come out against critical race theory and talk like this? >> you know, i'm just weary. i'm weary of the narrative, the narrative that america is a bandit country, that america is an intrinsically racist country. it's overly simplistic in the extreme, and i'm weary of feeding these children -- i'm talking about the 18-year-olds that come to me as freshmen at a place like brown university, we are supposed to be challenging them to think, not filling their heads with propaganda, as i said in that clip that you showed, so i just think somebody has got to speak out and articulate an alternative vision about this great country, which is not perfect, but which has been a beacon of freedom for centuries, and that is something worth

insisting upon. >> brian: you don't say slavery didn't exist but you point out slavery existed everywhere. we did not come up with the concept, and look at where we've come over the last hundred years. you've pointed about that. that helps people think. it doesn't tell them what to think. >> yeah, that's what i'm saying. of course, slavery was an awful holocaust, it was an immoral institution, there is not any question about that. but slavery ended in 1863 with the emancipation proclamation, 1865 with the conclusion of the civil war, and the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, the people who had been slaves were made citizens, not equal, but in time, african-americans have become equal citizens of the richest, most powerful, and greatest republic in the history of the world, so the glass of liberty here is more than half full. >> brian: so what is the danger of going back and saying -- going back and saying

whites are privileged, hispanics and african-americans don't? >> well, it's wrong, first of all. you could say racist to describe privileged and supremacy and an assumption to an entire class of people based upon their race. it's bad for black people, it's the only country we've got. these are not our enemies, these are our fellow citizens. we are going to make it or not make it, right here, right now. i think the risk of backlash is nontrivial. people play with fire when they play with these racial terms and expect whites will sit quietly and take it. they will for a while, but not forever. >> brian: the other thing i got from listening to you and reading from what you say is this is your country. what do you mean -- you're not going to judge it, you're going to make it better. you are an american and you are proud of that, and it seems as though there's a lot of americans, may be this generation, who are saying i'm not too happy i was born here, and man, i'm embarrassed about how i got here, that's not

how you feel. >> first of all, i got here by being born in chicago in 1948. okay? i did not come on a slave ship. i have european ancestors as well as african ancestors. but yes, this is my country, warts and all. yes, i'm a citizen here and i want to make it a better place. but the idea that it is fundamentally morally bankrupt because of a history that we can't change, that's nihilism. >> brian: frederick douglass had an famous speech that he ended, included this within the speech, "whose fourth of july is it," because he talked about being born a slave and playing a major role with abraham lincoln in the civil war. whose fourth of july is it, professor? >> of course i'm going to say it is our fourth of july, speaking on behalf of african-americans. frederick douglass was speaking in 1852 if i'm not mistaken. slavery was still a fact. he had every right to question whether or not people of african descent should feel loyal to the

country. there was a hard problem there. we have the benefit of having been liberated and having equal citizenship in the richest country on the planet, so it's our country. >> brian: got you. professor lowry, thank you so much. it is a privilege to have you on the show. thank you for watching "prime time." i'm brian kilmeade. i will see you next time. coming up now, tucker. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." loudoun county virginia right outside washington, d.c., was for a very long time, for generations, a reasonable place. it was orderly and calm, well-maintained. loudoun county famously worked, certainly in contrast to the city nearby. and then to go things happened to loudoun county. first, lots of federal money flowed i