the suspension does not advance the interests of the united states. well, tomorrow 10:00 a.m., big topics, price spikes, pipelines, you name it, they will cover it all. you can catch me 2 p.m. fox business. >> hello, everyone, i'm juan williams along with martha maccallum, kennedy and will cain, it is 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." >> did someone update this for political reasons? >> no, our north star has been listening to guidance of health and medical experts and teams and that is what we're doing in

this case. >> juan: the white house playing defense after republicaning claim the announcement on mask wearing was meant to distract from other problems facing president biden and the cdc director, she's taking heat over dramatic turn in messaging after previously warning of impending doom a few weeks ago. former top health official taking issue with comments like that. >> this has been a crazy week, just last week the kentucky said if we continue everything, masking, social distancing, cases would go up. wednesday night dr. rochelle walensky was doubling down on masking. dr. fauci said to mask inside and outside and complete turnaround yesterday afternoon. it has been a mess of messaging. >> juan: not everyone is onboard with the new mask rules, many blue states are still evaluating their mandates and some in the media, well, they say it will

take a while for americans to adapt. >> i feel like i'm going to have to rewire myself so when i see somebody out in the world not wearing a mask, i don't instantly think, you are a threat or you are selfish or you are a covid denier and haven't been vaccinated. we'll have to rewire the way we look at each other. >> juan: will cain, let me start with you. i think it has been good news coming from the cdc, we say rachel saying she will have to rewire her thinking, what does will cain say? >> i can't follow you on that this is good news. i feel like this is science and cdc and science in quotation marks. this is something everyday americans have known for months, you can walk around outside and even inside if you are vaccinated without a mask. the white house and cdc have made these reasons for political reasons. we can debate the reasons may

be, i find it fascinating when you talk about rachel mad dow, this is about something other than science. rachel found cheap unearned virtue wearing a mask when someone else did not. they saw themselves as believerss in science. now they have lost their identity, they have been left naked, not in terms of face, not having identity anymore. they don't know how to give virtue over you anyone. never about science for you. >> juan: jesse, will thinks it is politics and virtue signalling. i notice 70% of americans think that president biden has deputy a great job on handling the pandemic, so did he just pass the biggest test of his presidency? >> jesse: i'm trying to come to terms with will cain's rachel naked analogy.

give me a minute. remember slick willie, he was wagging the dog, he was lobbing cruise missiles into the mideast during the height of the lewinski scandal. this is pr 101. you know what it was, that moument this mask announcement was not on the biden schedule and he was late for the announcement. he has the lightest schedule since eisenhower. when they add to his schedule, it's a really big deal and he was late. that is because they were scrambling to get this out here. he doesn't watch cable news, the president. he only reads the newspaper. the other morning, the newspapers, "washington post," big stories about how inflation, labor shortage and gas prices were converging to upset his infrastructure deal and upset the recovery. so they played this card and

trump did it all the time, so can you blame him? he was a lot better at it, he did it with his fingers or his mouth and sent the press scrambling. when biden does it, not too good at it, it is blatant when he does it. i did get excited in the beginning when they made the announcement, i thought, great, no mask. i realized it was just federal guidance. they are saying i cannot wear a mask inside a federal building. when am i ever in a federal building, juan, when i fw to the post office? i never go to the post office. in new york, de blasio and andrew cuomo still make me wear a mask, it is status quo, red state no mask mandate. blue state, you still have it. unless you are in a post office, doesn't do much for me. >> juan: hmm. kennedy, in fact, picking up on jesse's thought there, pelosis you have to wear a mask on the

house floor. and i think part of her rationale is like the new york yankees just had an outbreak and they have all been vaccinated. like eight members of the traveling, i believe a player even, still got the virus. how do you make sense of this? >> as an epidemioiologist, juan, i am glad you asked me. with nancy pelosi, it is really about control. show won't listen to science. she has many doctors in the house of representatives, who could explain to her that natural immunity from people who have had the virus, plus people who have been vaccinated and received immunity that way, that is enough people, if they choose not to wear masks, they shouldn't have to wear masks. this is the government fighting with itself. we're not talking about 15-degree shift with some positive numbers about

hospitalizations and deaths being down. we're talking about a 180-degree turn in the opposite direction in a number of weeks. jen psaki says northstar is the medical experts and they follow the medical experts. the medical experts are following the teacher's union, so science is really the last entity in line here that is informing some of the decisions. it is absolutely wagged the dog, but at least the dog is being wagged in the right direction, in the direction of freedom and i will take that. >> juan: that's a good point, martha, i think lots of people on the right, in fact, wanted the cdc and joe biden to say, you don't need to wear the mask if you've been vaccinated. here we are and people are criticizing them for saying don't wear the mask. is this just party and politics? >> a lot of partisan politics, white house opportunism in terms

of timing. it's been a lousy week for the biden administration. across the country, a lot of places lifted mask mandates a long time ago. as jesse points out in new york, they will hang on to their masks for a while. the thing i want to make a point about, herd immunity, it was a dirty word, not allowed to talk about herd immunity. they were able to make this decision from the cdc is that we have 36% of the country vaccinated and kennedy was touching on this point. not too long ago, dr. fauci said get to 70 or 80%, he basic he pushed back. marty mccary, on fox said we were getting close to herd immunity, probably happen in the end of april. you have a third of the country fully vaccinated and you started to see case numbers dropping and death numbers dropping. the reason for that, there are fewer and fewer places for the

virus to go, because a lot of people had it who didn't know they had it or have t-cell immunity. all of what he has been talking about for quite sometime that were mocked by dr. fauci have given them the opportunity to get to the point they got to yesterday and they did it at a moment they needed it. that is the fact, it is difficult to see any other way. >> juan: well, i hope you're comfortable now without the mask, martha. >> absolutely. >> juan: will you have to change like rachel maddow? >> i had to use the disposable one all the time. no problem dropping the mask, i will be thrilled to drop the mask. rachel can keep her mask if she wants to for as long as she likes. it is really sad she looked at people as a threat, as an anti-va xxer, somebody with evil intention because they were outside and walking in the area she was walking.

guess how many traceable cases there are of covid transmission outside? next to none. next to none. >> right now, martha. right now. >> that whole idea was a fal see to begin with and we now know that. >> she'll find a new way to feel superior, i promise you. >> juan: we know that now. coming up, folks, republicans tearing into president biden's dhs secretary on the border crisis. we've got that story for you next on "the five."

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charts being a problem. i find that extraordinary and extremely damming. >> don't you think you bear responsibility for the crisis by telling the world the border was open. >> i've never said the border was open. i'm all for legal immigration. what we've done is open the doors. >> we speak of lawful pathways in support of them and the prior administration tore those down, too. >> the white house claims there is no crisis, the evidence is clear, like this photo. unaccompanied eight-year-old girl crossing the rio grande river with no contact information for her parents. rare fire for mitt romney, what do we take away from the biden administration losing mitt romney? >> kennedy: what you are seeing is the gop is coming together on a very critical issue that is going to help them in the mid-terms next year. this issue is not going away, for no other reason than naivety and inaction. this administration is not doing

enough. they are not working with kpg. they are not taking responsibility. the cruelty from the chaos here has real implications, not just for people who are trying to find work in the u.s. and have a better life because jobs have evaporated in places like el salvadoer and guatemala and honduras, flooding job markets along the border and will not be able to find work and they believe the border is open because coyotes are selling misinformation. they will get you into the country, they are lying to poor, vulnerable people and this admin stlagz is not doing enough about it. it doesn't know what to do in terms of immigration. they are all over the map and the kids are paying the price. >> jesse, kennedy brought up the economic environment in central america in mexico. mitt romney made an interesting

point. he said how can we solve root problems, we can't solve the world's problemss, we have to solve what is happening on our border? >> jesse: maybe they want to build back better in mexico, i don't know what the strategy is. the strategy is just ride this crisis out until the summer months when the migration stops because it is too hot. then the numbers naturally go down and you plant the flag and claim victory. the administration right now just wrote off two back-to-back 20-year highs for total border crossers and two back-to-back monthly all-time highs for unaccompanied minors. now the media lost interest because biden is playing hide and seek with the miners, the press can't find them, they forgot about it. it is not minors coming over, it is single men coming across, ladies, don't get excited. single men make up a large percentage of the border crossers and biden is not

sending them back of the 180,000 he caught and released 40% of them. 40% of them, he caught and released. there is no plan. the plan is to turn texas blue and to pay back donors with cheap labor. after few generations, get more democrat voters, they vote hispanics 70 to -- for democrats if reversed, kamala harris would be building the wall with her bare hands. >> will: jesse brought up single adults, i believe 50% now single adult males, as jesse pointed, by the way, from mexico. the story is changing, not families, not children, demographics are different, what does that tell us? >> martha: the administration said vast majority of people who come to the border are turned away, which baffled me.

i couldn't understand then why did candidate biden during the debate say if you are persecuted, you should come, surge the border, these are words directly out of his mouth as a candidate. they were encouraging people to come to the border and then they are boasting they are making them all go back home. so the logic here is completely lost on me. i mean, why would you encourage people to come if your goal was to make them turn around and go back, especially if you know the danger at the border. the idea the border is closed, i don't know how secretary mayorkas can look people in the eyes and say the border is closed. look at the screen, it is clear the border is not closed. if you say checkpoints have been shut down, that might be accurate. but it is clear the border is not changed and the idea that children are connected to parents, connected to relatives,

jesse pointed out, we don't see evidence of that. we see this little girl, emily valdez, in the photo, hard to interpret this policy as humane. >> will: the biden administration is misleading the public, you heard senators drilling secretary mayorkas, the biden administration is misleading everyone. what do you think about that? juans i don't understand it. we have crisis on the border. biden administration is trying to do their best, interceding with mexico, mexico has troops with guatemala at u.s. request. we keep showing picture of people crossing the rio grande. people have been crossing for centuries. my concern was with what we saw at the top, will, i think that congress right now, uses immigration and the border as a political tool to stir people up, to get people angry,

worried, fearful of caravans and all of the rest. we have to stop that. we know, you can argue pro or con, is biden doing a good job or doing a bad job? >> bad job. >> juan: no argument congress is not doing any kind of job. congress is sitting on its thumbs doing selfies and twitter feeds. the american people at this moment, all agree, we should do something with the dreamers, we should do something about border security, we should do something about the people who are here as our neighbors. yet congress can't even do that. >> will: we know the polling on whether or not the biden admin stlagz is doing good job at the border. not doing a good job is the public's reaction. juan, i'm from texas, they have been crossing for decades, but these are record high. that is not manufactured crisis, that is a real crisis. coming up, major gas shortages continue, president biden doesn't seem to want to act, is

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have strong reason to believe that the criminals who did the attack are living in russia. that is where it came from. >> jesse: so biden, biden cleared the kremlin in a week, juan. case closed, f.b.i. took care of it, he's clean. you don't think that is a little strange? [laughter] >> juan: i want to talk about that. >> jesse: you don't think that is strange? juans johnson & johnson let me just say this, jesse, this crisis is over, no shortage of gas anymore. you might be dealing with distribution issues. >> jesse: people can't get gas. >> juan: i'm telling you, there is no gas shortage, might be distribution. all this alarmist talk -- >> jesse: okay, semantics. >> juan: okay, as far as biden and this hacking. to me, what you got is a crime

syndicate operating out of russia and we don't know, our intelligence people are unable to ascertain for sure it was something done by putin or at putin's request. >> jesse: why did they clear him? >> juan: they didn't clear him, they said they don't know, they don't know that putin was responsible at this point. i think rather than act in a rash manner, there is no personality to thinking strategically, jesse, we said this yesterday, this amount of war against us and if we are acting strategically as in war, we have to anticipate the next step. acting rationally, yeah, we're going to make a show of bravado is foolish. >> jesse: all right. well, martha, after hillary was embarrassed because a few e-mails came out she was worried about a bimbo eruption in 2016, democrats wanted to start world war iii with russians.

now putin is innocent , no evidence of anything, that is convenient. >> martha: it is convenient and juan touched on something. we can't fight the last war, we have to fight the next war. whether or not putin is directly involved, there had to have been a tacet approval of this, that is the way things work in the soviet union, even if at the corporate level. bad actors around the globe look at this event and they know they can cripple a third of the united states by hacking into our energy systems. we have to be ready to fight cyber warfare, even viral warfare, now whether or not there was malintent on what happened with this virus escaping, look at the impact. that is another thing bad actors watch cosily. look at direct energy attacks that american officers have suffered in cuba, russia, china. we can't squabel over whether or not there was direct link to

putin, we need to understand this is future of warfare and we need to be in front of it. we cannot sit back and say, that is over, whoa, that went okay, we're done with that. >> jesse: will cain, he was asked about ransom and he said no comment, that shows me he signed off on ransom to russian attackers. what does that say? >> will: a bad one. we don't pay ransom, why? it begs more of that attention. i like your point, jesse, russia has been guilty of everything under the sun, but now they are innocent in a couple day's time. nothing happens in russia, this type of thing doesn't happen in russia without putin's knowledge. hackers are often off-duty state actors. i want to indulge the semantic battle for a second. child care, systemic racism is infrastructure, can we submit pipelines need to be protected,

that is infrastructure, maybe invest in securing no cyber attack if we call it infrastructure, which it is. >> jesse: kennedy, it was interesting that the f.b.i., with trump, it was guilty until proven innocent , with putin, he is innocent until proven guilty. >> kennedy: and the f.b.i. still very guilty of many omissions as they were in some of the reports we saw after the russian collusion special investigation. but, will is absolutely right because here we have not only critical infrastructure, which that now needs to be bumped to the top of the list for infrastructure legislation and about 70% of it needs to go away that is not actual infrastructure and now we can use big words like big people and talk about what infrastructure really is. and it is not just pipelines that have to be protected. we have to protect satellites

and power grids and different ways we get and use energy in this country. it is not hard to think how we could be completely paralyzed, especially when we are incentivizing this kind of behavior. so yes, i don't trust the f.b.i., i don't trust the federal government. this is why i'm a libertarian, they have wrong priorities and usually get everything wrong when they try to go big. >> jesse: i think if putin hacked the solar grid, biden would have been pretty angry about that. >> kennedy: he will hack the sun. >> jesse: up next, forget what upset parents think, the white house giving critical erase theory a stamp of approval. ♪ ♪ as your business changes, the united states postal service is changing with it. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now. next day and two-day shipping nationwide,

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>> parents across the country are fighting back against critical race theory. virginia epicenter of the battle. moms and dads speaking out at school board meetings this week. the white house is brushing aside their concerns. >> i don't think we would think we believe that educating the youth and next gen leaders, future leaders on systemic racism is indoctrination or responsible. martha, if not indoctrination, why is there so much disagreement about this and why is there so much passionate pushback from parents of all races? >> martha: you know, it all stems from 1619 project which started in the "new york times," which put out a theory that 1619 is the actual foundation and origination of the united states of america and that it should not be looked at as 1796.

a lot has made way to the white house in terms of grants and money they give to different educational institutions across the country. they would be more favored if they are teaching it. people started to figure out what is in the documents. i spent part of today looking at crim lums that involved critical race theory, which include the idea if you are white and you think or say that you are not racist, it essentially signifies that you are racist, you are just not aware of it. and we looked at what happened to sharon osborne, she said i am not a racist, never been a racist. they said, you don't realize you are. the more people understand this, doesn't matter if they are black or white, as we've seen in the school board meetings, they know there is something wrong with this, they don't want the future leadership of this country to be

taught we are a racist country. >> kennedy: that is what they are teaching, jesse, it amounts to propaganda, in big cities like new york and los angeles and d.c., high schoolers are well below grade level in terms of math and english proficiency, why not teach them actual things that they need to learn in school like how to read and how to do basic math? >> jesse: i'm all for that kennedy. look at what critical race theory is, it tells you that white people are bad and that white people are oppressing black people. juan is black. juan is not oppressed, anyone that wears cuff links are not oppressed and every time i see juan show pictures of his family, everyone looks beautiful, like they are having the time of their lives 6789 i looked at the details. in shipley school, outside philly, nice prep school, they

are telling parents, not to tell kids, you have beautiful, blue eyes because blue eyes raises to a standard of white european beauty and marginalizes brown-eyed people. you know how i feel about this, i don't think schools should give homework to parents at all. we have enough on our plate n. buffalo, buffalo is teaching kids, if you are white, you are participating in systemic racism. that is like saying all people are -- that are white are racists, when we know the real problem in buffalo are people being bills' fans. in oregon, they are teaching you that math is racist. math is just boring n. washington, d.c., they are telling you that the phrase "hard work is the key to success," is a form of white oppression. you ask any black athlete, black entrepreneur, black artist, they will tell you the key to success is hard work, i think 100%.

it sounds like this critical race theory is a scheme for white liberals to subvert black achievement. that is what the real oppression is about. black parents want their kids to read the classics, to learn math and absorb american history so they can get into college. once you are in college, you can learn about how everybody is racist, but you got to get into college first. >> kennedy: you do. and with such horrible standards, especially after the pandemic, juan, what is surprising to me and i would never tell you, juan, about your experience and how race has affected your world view and your life and your feelings, but i also don't want to hear that from someone else. i don't want to hear that my characteristics or my children's characteristics somehow make them bad people. i think that is incredibly unfair and we have all been raised that equality is the

ultimate goal, but now that has been replaced with equity and this as "new york post" pointed out is a form of marxism. your thoughts? >> juan: wow, it is hard to know where to start, kennedy. i'll start here. i think talking about race makes lots of people uncomfortable. i think some people think it invites charges of guilty, embarrassment, resentment, there is disagreement. all of that is there. but i don't think that healing on what is a major problem in american society, i don't think healing can begin unless we have the conversation. if all of you are saying that schoolchildren are such snowflakes, you can't tell them about american history, you can't tell them about slavery, you can't tell them about the rise of the klan. >> kennedy: let them read "to kill a mockingbird." >> juan: that is why they need

to -- >> we learned that in school, that is not what we're talking about. >> juan: hang on, martha, we still have states in the country, they ban textbooks that talk about slavery is the cause for the civil war. they don't want to hear about ongoing racism in this society, they say, you know what, that is indoctrination. that is not indoctrination, that is history, that is having young people deal honestly with who we are as americans. instead, you get, especially from conservative politicians, they say, oh, no, we want our kids to be proud patriots and proud of america. yeah, they can be proud. i'm a very proud american, but i'm also very aware of some of our defects, especially in terms of the original sin of racism and slavery. >> kennedy: i understand that, but don't tell me i'm a bad person because i'm white when my mom came over on a boat with one

suitcase for five people and were discriminated against actively when she got to the united states. she got two advanced degrees and became an engineer and is self-made because of the american experience and i'm proud of her. so anyway -- >> juan: you should be, she's great. >> kennedy: go ahead, will. >> will: i welcome the conversation, i don't think healing can be done until we look at each other as individuals, individuals who are judged upon merit, character and soul, who they are as individuals. this curriculum asks us to double down on shallow characteristics, skin color level. jesse lays out several things this teaches. it teaches individualism is sign of white supremacy, i have a problem with that. current teaching, we will not look at each other as individuals, we have to look at each other as tribes, that is poison, that is racism, i welcome that conversation any time someone wants to have it.

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shine. time for the fastest. first up, the masks are off and life is looking more normal. americans are ready to make up for lost time. 60% say they will start summer early. i think this is an excellent idea since last summer was a little bit difficult. jesse, starting summer, what do you want to do? >> jesse: summer starts memorial day weekend, everybody knows that. it ends labor day weekend, that is how you read the calendar and i'll be in a bathing suit then and i'll be living life with a beer in my hand and salt water in my face, martha. >> martha: i think that sounds fantastic. juan, how about you? >> juan: i just think this is a great idea, martha. america is optimistic, we're hopeful and i think americans have earned a vacation. go for it, america. >> martha: kennedy, what are your plans? what are your margarita bathing suit plans? >> kennedy: so glad you asked. i have the island margarita this

year made with passion fruit juice and fresh limes and lots of tequila. not for my girls, my girls decided last year, we had two months of christmas. we are starting summer early, officially starting summer early. this week is cat cam week. anyone can join me. i have already started because we're expecting temperatures here in the 70s and 80s next week. i will be in a bikini in about nine minutes. >> martha: will, you will be covered in tin foil ready to go? >> will: no, you see i'm still the new guy, my suspicion, i will not get a lot of time off. i switched jobs last summer to join you guys. i had a couple months off. take a road trip, utah, wyoming, montana, great american road trip. >> kennedy: yeah. >> martha: fabulous idea.

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spirit. he says go with the doped up horse. we will take medina spirit the tauped up horse this saturday. he said it's a sure thing so you guys can take that to the bank. also a sure thing "watters' world" 8:00 eastern saturday night. we have newt gingrich. we have stephen miller and we have pete hegseth. that's what you call fair and balanced. >> juan: way to go, jesse. we will be watching. all right. a writer once described heaven as an end also bookstore. well, take a look at a dream come true. yep. it's a magical bookstore with mirrored ceilings and walls all filled with books and reflections of books. architect's goal was creating the allusion of a never ending palace of books. the architect calls it a visual feast for readers. in truth, it's a huge bookstore located in china province and holds 80,000 books. i'm telling you, a visit to that bookstore would be heavenly.

i think for any reader but especially for me. i just love books. martha, you are up. >> jesse: how i saved the world is being stocked there, i think. >> juan: i think so. >> will: looks like everybody's home library filled with books they don't read. >> martha: what do you do with all those disposable masks dusty johnson of south dakota has some ideas for us, throw it out, use it as a book mark. he also uses it to clean his glasses and then he hops up the stairs, a little sweat on the brow, wipe it off. dust off with it use it as a pocket square which i thought was pretty novel. i like this idea for this friday. wrap around his beer. >> jesse: could you sey. >> martha: very resourceful. thank you. >> will: or just put them in the trash. >> juan: that was great. >> will: two things. schwan a big listener, he has

been telling me how much he loves it you will enjoy it, too. and secondarily, i will be hosting the 7:00 p.m. "fox news primetime" all next week monday through friday i really would appreciate it if you would join me. >> juan: way to go, will, we will be watching. kennedy? >> kennedy: i will watch you. i will tee up my. i am on the fox business network monday through thursday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. when i'm done there head to the biggest harry potter store in the world to get butterbeer. nonalcoholic drink tastes like butter scotch. not only served on tap and in bottles but also a delicious ice cream. so whether you are a skin or a wizard you can enjoy a school frothy butterbeer at hogs. that is going to be a sexy place. can you see it brewed in those special copper pipes. the bottles float all around you in the bar so if you love harry potter as much as i do.

butterbeer. >> juan: you know, kennedy so my grandson and i wept down to universal butterbeer at the harry potter place. i had no idea whether a it was. >> kennedy: it's awesome. >> juan: that's it for us have a great weekend, everyone. >> martha: bye everybody. >> shannon: good evening, welcome to washington i'm shannon bream for bret baier. breaking tonight the biden administration is playing defense over republican and former trump officials accusations alleging the timing of the cdc new mask guidance for vaccinated people was political. the administration has said that's nonsense and that it is following the science but has the science changed in the past two days. dr. francis collins, director of the national up students of health joins us in just a minute to answer that question and more. but, first, we go to the white house and correspondent peter doocy on the north lawn