is! carley: criminal, screen right, our very own will cain. pete: he's going to be hosting fox news prime time this upcoming week. will: come join us. appreciate it. pete: have a great saturday, everybody. we'll see you tomorrow too, how about that? ♪ david: sticker shock at the pump if, the store and more. fox on top of american consumers under siege. welcome, everyone, i'm david asman in for neil cavuto, and you are watching "cavuto live." first, to the very latest on the pipeline getting back online. here's what we know right now. colonial confirming it is now delivering millions of gallons of gas per hour. right now, this is extraordinary, 81% of our nation's capital is completely

out of gas. and the prices keep climbing. the national average of regular unleaded gas now at $3.04 and going up. jonathan serrie is in georgia where trucks are picking up gas to send out. what does it look like there, jonathan? >> reporter: hi there, david. we're seeing constant activity right behind me. just one of the supply depots where trucks have been driving in all morning, taking in supply. all of the major petroleum companies have installations here along the colonial pipeline. once these trucks are filled, these big tanker trucks, they then drive to area gas stations. as you can imagine, the process does take time and so does the flow of the pipeline. take a listen. >> i it moves very slowly, often around 5 miles an hour. as you can imagine or, it's very complex getting the pressure right and making sure that this product is moving safely. so it is taking a matter of

days. >> reporter: colonial pipeline tweeted, we have returned the system to normal operations delivering millions of gallons per hour to the markets we serve. the company goes on to list all of the states that it serves and then as all of these markets are now receiving product from our pipeline. georgia governor brian kemp has extended the state of emergency through next saturday. the state has temporarily are suspended its gas tax and raised the weight limit on trucks transporting fuel. state and local officials are monitoring gas prices for any signs of gouging but say consumers should expect small increases. >> prices may go up due to a verifiable increase in the cost of stock or the cost to transport plus the retailers' average mark-up percentage applied during the ten days immediately prior to the declaration of the state of emergency. >> reporter: the national

average gas price $3.04 a gallon which is up 4 cents from last week's average according to aaa, and gasbuddy reports that 81% of gas stations in washington tease are out of fuel, 65 % in north carolina and more than 40% in georgia, south carolina and virginia. now, david, these numbers are actually trending downward in most cases, just not as quickly as many consumers here in the southeast would like to see. david: although it's important to point out that compared to a year ago, prices are up a dollar or more at most pumps around the country. so it is the -- even before the colonial problem, the gas prices were spiking. quickly, go ahead. >> reporter: yeah. it's a perfect storm because you have the colonial pipeline outage at the same time more american are hungry to travel again. david: exactly. we're going to be the talking about that for the next two hours. jonathan, thank you very much. the folks at gas job buddy

saying it will take weeks to work through some of these shortages. fox business contributor phil flynn joining us. phil, you were right on the scene last week at this time when it all started. when do we get back to normal, very quickly. >> i think in a couple weeks, i think things are going to get back to normal. and to be honest, i think we have -- the thing we have to fear right now is fear itself. because of some of the steps we've taken to flip the jones act, lift weight restrictions on tankers, it's going to make it go a little better. but the main thing we have to do is allow the system to work, and if everybody keeps panic buying, it's going to take a lot longer to get back to normal. a. david: what about the supply chain? i know we say it's focused on the east coast, which is true, but does it affect supply chains everywhere in the country in. >> yeah. if you drop a pebble in the lake, it ripples across, and that's what we're going to see

across the nation. and, david, as you pointed out, we've seen gasoline prices go up. part of it is the reopening, but part of it is an underinvestment in the u.s. refining capacity. we've been told that we're not going to be driving, you know, internal combustion engines in a few years, and people are believing that, and they're not investing in energy infrastructure. so i think this summer we have the potential for the highest prices we've seen in years. i do think this recent spike, you know, by memorial day we'll see a little bit of a break, but the risk to gasoline is still on the upside. david: we are now importing oil. we were very proud, i think justifiably so, for becoming independently, becoming energy independent from the rest of the world during the past couple of years. have we lost that now, phil? >> it seems like the biden administration wants to lose that. and it's crazy, david. i mean, if you look at the countries that we're importing oil from, they're not our best

friends. russia, for example, is now sending the united states oil, and here we are trying to put u.s. producers either out of business or giving them a drilling moratorium or telling them, you know, hey, we want to shut down a pipeline coming down in michigan from canada, we want to shut down the dakota access pipeline, we shut down colonial, so why would you invest in the united states when it comes to traditional fuels? we're all going to be paying the price for that. david: that does make us more vulnerable, as you say, to some of our enemies, quite frankly. i don't think we call russia a friend. are we actually importing oil? i know oil is fungible and it changes hands very often, so sometimes t not clear where it comes from. but are we with importing oil now from russia? >> yes, we are, and it's crazy, you know? i don't see any reason for it. i mean, here the u.s. was a net exporter of all petroleum products, now we're slipping back to a net importer which doesn't have to happen.

and i think if you look at, you know, the fact that this terrorist attack the on our u.s. soil came from russia, you know, we have to be very, very careful. and the other thing is that we we know that because of this attack our enemies are watching, and they know that we're vulnerable, so we have to be on guard for another attack just like this. david: phil flynn, we're glad we have you here. nobody knows the energy business like you do. thank you very much, good to see you. well, or this crisis fueling new calls for president biden to reverse his decision -- remember, it was practically on the first day -- to kill the xl pipeline, something nebraska's governor, pete ricketts, wants to see, the overturning of that decision. he joins me now. governor ricketts, did president biden's cancellation of xl make us more vulnerable to this attack on colonial? >> well, there's no question that by canceling the keystone xl pipeline, what you're doing is making us more dependent on foreign oil. and when you have something like this happen with colonial, you

want to rely on other parts of your system, and the keystone xl pipeline would be another way for us to bring in energy from our best ally, canada, so we would not be dependent upon that. of course, the president's just kowtowing to the radical green new deal and really making our country more vulnerable to these kind of attacks. david: do you think -- we heard from phil flynn on this. do you think that we've lost our energy independence? >> absolutely. everything that undermines our energy independence like canceling the keystone xl pipeline, pushing the green new deal, all these things are going to make us more absolutely number. and it was one of the things that was a strength in the last administration, that we were starting to become a net exporter of petroleum products. this is making us weaker in the world. taye david now, we don't know all the details, we talk about russia and their involvement, but we know that there was some kind of payment to the hackers whether it was in bitcoin or

something else, and it totaled maybe $3-4 million. the question of whether the prime minister knew about this payoff -- the president knew about this pave or perhaps suggested that it be done is still up in the air. the president responded to ea e e -- a question about this earlier in the week. roll talk talk tape. >> were you briefedded on the fact that the company did pay the ransom? >> i have no comment on that. david: now, no comment, governor, is not a denial. does it concern you that the united states might have been involved in that decision to pay off the hackers? >> yeah. negotiating with terrorists is always a dangerous thing, and is we've seen this throughout our history. when you negotiate with terrorists, you just end up in a worse position. and this is why we want to make sure that we've got an all of the above energy strategy, the diverse forms of energy and why the biden administration should reverse its policies, start getting started on the keystone

xl pipeline because that will help us avoid having to negotiate with terrorists in the future. when we pay off terrorists, that is a horrible thing for this country to be doing. david: you mentioned the pipelines, the administration can't keep it straight among their various secretaries about whether pipelines are good or bad, sort of a disagreement between the energy secretary, the transportation secretary. let me play that clip and get your response. >> certainly when you're talking about the efficiency of moving petroleum products, that's why we have pipelines. >> this particular area of the country there, this is why we have doubled down on insuring that there's an ability to truck oil in, gas in, but it's -- the pipe is the best way to go. >> isn't it true that pipelines are more carbon delivery efficient than trains or trucks or other forms of delivery? if you could answer -- >> yeah, that is true. david: so is there a little

confusion in the administration if about whether pipelines are ad good or bad thing? >> well, i think this is demonstrating the incompetence of the biden administration. look, everybody knows if you look at the data that the pipeline are the most efficient way, the most carbon-reducing way and the safest way to be able to transport this. we've got 20,000 miles of pipelines here in nebraska carrying things like oil all across our state, and they do it in a safe way. so what this is the really about is the green new deal, about these activists who are so radical they just want to shut all oil type -- shut down all oil type of production so that we don't have this at all. it's making our country weaker. it's undermining the energy independence that we used to have here in this country. david: and is that why the prices began to go up even before the colonial attack? >> well, i'm not a big economist, i can't tell tell you why prices went up. i suspect what you're seeing is the economy is starting to

recover. that's all the more reason why we should be pursuing an all of the above strategy that strengthen. s everything including our oil production. taking a pause on our federal lands drilling, that's going to be something that drives prices up. the fact that people want to drive more, that's going to drive prices up. that's why we need to push forward with projects like the keystone xl pipeline to make sure we've got that energy to be able to supply to our people and make this country stronger and more independent. david: let's hope we're over the worst part of the colonial hacking. we'll see if that happens. governor, thank you so much. we really appreciate you coming in today. so it's not just gas, have you seen the price of groceries in how long will shoppers keep getting drilled? ♪ ♪ our retirement plan with voya, keeps us moving forward. hey, kevin! hey, guys! they have customized solutions to help our family's special needs...

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♪ david: well, inflation shaking investors this week. the dow taking its worst dive since january on wednesday as the cost of just about everything keeps getting higher. have you noticed? of course you have. the white house now saying it's just a phase we're going through. are they right or wrong? with me now is harold ford jr., michelle schneider and cpa and america's economist or america's investor anyway, dan ger trued. good to see you all. michelle, first to you. is it any surprise to you -- and, frankly, it wasn't to me -- that when you spend these trillions of dollars, you get a spike in inflation? >> no, it definitely wasn't a surprise. even before all that happened, there were other factors that came out of the pandemic that were beyond anybody's control. supply chain disruption being the main one, low labor force being another, and then in terms of food commodities in general, there was a real cutback in production for years because the price was so low.

and as you know, the commodities markets are used as a hedge for farmers. so the fact that all of a sudden there was this huge demand spike with a low supply chain and low supply of actual product and now you have hoarding situations in certain countrieses, this was all really going down last year. so the fact that they finally caught on is interesting to me, and and we'll see what happens from here. david: now, dan, a huge question for investors, a lot of folks out there thinking about their 401(k) is should we believe that this is temporary as the administration says, or are we we going into a really historic shift, something hearkening back to the late 1970s where we had double-digit inflation or more? >> i'm not prepared, david, to say that this is going to be long term just yet. i think, look, right now we are drinking from a fire hose, right in because there's so much demand, and we can't get the supply there. what's going to happen over the long term is those supply chains

being restored and then being able to get product and how about this? can we get people back to work, please? so that they can provide services to the public. it's not just product, it's also human capital where we're having shortages here. david: yeah. harold, you were in congress. it's hard to believe this, but when a democrat president said the era of big government is over, and he meant it and, in fact, congress during your tenure there actually balanced the budget. i mean, it was ap an extraordinary achievement. of course, republicans were involved in congress, they were controlling congress, and the president went along with congress on a lot of these decisions to balance the budget. do you think we'll ever get there again? >> well, thanks for having me on and good morning. i certainly hope so. i do think -- i would agree largely with with what my two colleagues have said this morning about the pressures that the economy's been facing for some time.

i think that shortly after president clinton said that, several years after he said that, we were attacked on 9/11. so if you look from 9/11 to where we are today, the -- restarting for a variety of reasons. the position we find ourselves in now is how do we maintain this growth, how do we insure that we get out of the hole that we found ourselves in and, frankly, how do we inch sure that the world finds itself on better footing as well. the fed has the tools if we find inflation reaching the epic levels you asked in your question, they have the tools to contain some of this. a lot of this was in the making already. congress, i would hope, will find its way back to some fiscal restraint and fiscal sensibility in the coming years. david: you know or michelle, cryptocurrencies are an interesting phenomenon, and part of the reason they've been successful -- until recently, by

the way, they took a hit last week -- is because a lot to of people don't think the fed has the power, don't think central banks around the world have the power that they once did and that the attempts by our current federal reserve, our own central bank, to try to end keep things under control may be flailing against the wind. what do you think? >> well, david, you make a very good point because the whole idea of cryptocurrency is part of, is the de-fi, decentralized finance, based on the lack of trust for the banks and for the general government. and also it brings up a whole other thing which is a threat to the u.s. dollar which is not only under siege from the advent of cryptocurrency and meme coins, but also from digital currency that's happening particularly in china with the yuan. so in terms of the cryptocurrencies each though they have taken a hit, it's the block item chain technology that's here -- blockchain technology that's here to stay,

and it's amazing that kansas turned into a conversation -- it's turned into a conversation about clean energy. ultimately, it actually adds to clean energy. so, yeah, crypto is here to stay, and it definitely puts that shadow of a doubt in terms of how much control the governments and even the central banks will have, ultimately, if it continues to move into the mainstream like it's starting to do. david: yeah, yeah, absolutely. gang, thank you very much. by the way, dan geltrude is going to tell us about the tax situation. remember, monday is the new april 15th. we have to get our taxes in monday. we'll see you later in the program, dan, to talk about what we all do about our taxes. so take a look at some of this. does this look closed to you? dozens of migrants crossing the rio grande valley area this week. former acting i.c.e. director ron vitiello on why this crisis is far from over. that's nextment -- that's next.

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>> curious what you meant last week when you said the border is closed. >> what i meant is precisely that, the border closed. >> is that still your position today, the border is closed? >> yes, it is. david: dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas saying the border is closed, but new video from this week showing migrants still streaming over the border, and that video tells volumes. and it says otherwise. to retired acting i.c.e. director ron vitiello now. ron, do you think the border's closed? >> well, obviously not. you know, after january 21st we sent a signal across the globe that if you send your child to the border, that they would be, essentially, welcomed in or incentivized to come in. and we saw over the first couple of months of this administration

the border patrol stations being overwhelmed by the crush of humanity, all these children coming because of, why? because they took the tools off the table to close that loophole in the immigration and asylum regime and had no preparation for it. those kids have to go to hhs shelters, and knowing full well when they reverse this policy that we were going to get this crush of humanity, and they did it anyway. david: i just want to talk about that one particular policy that made such a difference because you could see it on a chart, you can see it very clearly. it was the remain in mexico policy. began in january 2019, a full year and more before the pandemic hit. but you could see that was when the dropoff in immigration began to happen. that was really the critical step, was it not? >> correct. you know, the border's always a risky place. there's all kinds of dynamics at a play, push factors and pull factors, but people respond to

incentives, and the incentive to come to the united states is to be here and be in the country. and now there is no consequence for families sending their children. and for large numbers of people have come and in the beginning of this administration, people were being released at the border this great numbers. so that encourages other people, and they respond to this incentive. we talk away the consequences, when you take away those tools, this is what you're going to end up with. david david and the lures from the biden administration continue. just on friday president biden revoked donald trump's ban on immigrants who would burden our health care system. he revoked that, essentially saying to anybody who has a medical problem, come on over, we'll help you out. >> the tradition and the wisdom, call it what you want, you know, we could make all kinds of changes in the immigration law, but the concept was that this is supposed to benefit our country. and so people who are a burden on the medical community, people who are a burden on society,

they were always excluded from the united states. you come here to participate. you come here to be part of america, right? we have a rich tradition of immigration. and relaxing these kinds of rules and opening the door, or you're sending a signal. and it's not just what's happening at the border today, right? there's a lot of rhetoric in this administration about a pathway to citizenship for all the people that are here. again, you're sending a signal, giving people an incentive to come here to be part of, you know, maybe a future state amnesty. a. david: well, and to jump the line. i have to tell you from my own personal familying i've got members of my family have been trying literally for years to get a green card, doing it the legal way. they are still waiting, and suddenly the people being allowed to stream across are going to get a free pass immediately. i mean it just, it really does irk those who have been trying to do it legally, millions who have been trying to do it legally for years. >> i agree with you.

there's lots of things that could be done in the system, but we have to work as a nation to understand what we want to do on that border or and secure that border so that we can have, continue the rich tradition of immigration. and i believe that the american public was convinced that we had a credible security regime at the southwest border so we wouldn't have these continued waves, then we would be much more generous on the legal immigration side. david: by the way, the mainstream media's pretty much shut off their pipeline to what a's happening on the border. they certainly, when this crisis began, they had some good reporting, but that stopped. what is the latest on what's happening particularly with the kids at the border? i know they've been moved out a lot of these border patrol facilities, but into still overcrowded hhs facilities. what's the latest? >> well, i saw in the testimony the i think it was yesterday on the hill that the secretary talked about how they were being much more efficient at the line.

and so the world or patrol stations aren't as overwhelmed as they were a couple of weekes ago. but we still have a problem. we still have lots of families sending their children to the border, and there's over 20,000 some people who are in hhs custody. this is the an incentive. they will all be released into the cup. in the -- into the country. in the crisis of 2014 and 2018, all of those children are still in the united states. we're sending a signal that if you send your child to the border, we're going to let them in. david: it's just so tragic. you saw that group of five kids, one under 7, one was an infant just left alone right by the rio grand, and they could have easily been overlooked. thank god somebody found them, rescued them, but they still, as far as i know, haven't been reunited with their parents. also i.c.e. arrests. a lot of people are worried about the bad sort of people coming over and i.c.e. not being able to arrest people. we've seen arrests way down. is that the administration's

policy that's responsible for that? >> correct. they reprioritized, if you will, the kinds of people that will be arrested. convicted aggravated felon -- not people who have been arrested for felonies, but convicted felons. and this myth if about, you know, i.c.e. doing raids and picking people off the street, it's a very rare event for someone to be arrested by i.c.e. just for being in the country illegally. they have these new priorities, and that's why the arrests are down. david: very quickly, where's kamala harris, our vice president? she was supposed to be in charge, and she hasn't even been to the border since she was announced as the person in charge. >> yeah, there's no leadership on that issue. she was given this mission to work with the northern triangle, and as far as i can tell there hasn't been a lot of communication from that, from her to them. david: her absence is noticed. ron vitiello, good to see you. appreciate it. well, the white house denying extended unemployment benefits are hurting the job

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lots of people are going to take that. that's not an indictment of them, that's just normal and rational human behavior. david: that was utah governor spencer cox telling me earlier this week why he is putting a stop to those extended federal jobless benefits, but president joe biden is still saying he doesn't think the benefits are keeping workers from working. fox's david spunt has the latest from the white house. hi, david. >> reporter: good morning to you. the administration says their position is clear, they say that if a good opportunity arises, you cannot be home and expect to continue to collect some of those benefits. listen to the president. >> anyone collecting unemployment who is offered a suitable job must take the job or lose their unemployment benefits. that's the law. >> reporter: back to work will be a reality for millions because of the latest cdc guidance out thursday that says if you are fully vaccinated from covid-19, you can ditch the mask

both inside and outside. it's one ten closer to getting back -- one step closer to getting back to normal. >> the rule is very simple, get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do. it's vax ed or max. get vaccinated. if you're advantage vaccinated,e around vaccinated or unvaccinated people. but if you're not vaccinated or not fully vaccinated, you should wear a mask for your protection and the protection of other unvaccinated people. the choice is yours. >> reporter: the rule is causing confusion as many worry those unvaccinated may lie and say they are vaccinated and choose not to wear a mask. it's difficult to tell if someone is truly vaccinated. sure, you can try to rely on the so-called honor system, even ask to see someones' vaccination card, but the president and members of the administration

have already said, listen, we are not going to be doing vaccine passports at least on a federal level. but the state of hawaii is looking at doing a vaccine passport, interhopping between islands. also where you are, the state of new york, governor cuomo's looking at the excelsior program, and the country of the united kingdom, they are saying they're going to be doing a passport where you simply put up your phone, show that you've been vaccinated. here the white house is not doing that on a federal level. david: marvel comic fans may remember that world excelsior, stan lee. i like the phrase, i'm not sure i like the policy. thank you very much. good to see you, david. appreciate it. lots of business owners disagreeing with president biden and saying those extra federal jobless benefits are, indeed, keeping a lot of folks from taking work. that's why more and more states are ending the benefits including montana. and the republican senator from that state joins me now, steve daines, also cop sponsoring --

cosponsoring a bill to top the benefits across the cup. a senator, good to see you. you know, there are 18 states now that have join montana. i believe they're all republican. is this coming down to a partisan divide? >> well,, sadlyies it is. it really -- sadly, it is. it should be more about common sense. the bottom line is this, the government is paying more money for people to stay at home than to go to work. people take a look at the benefits, they make a logical conclusion, and they stay home. this is a labor crisis, not a jobs crisis. my wife and i were in my pickup here last week, we drive drove by a small business in montana, and there were balloons everywhere around the business. it looked like a car sale, but they weren't selling cars. they had tents set up. i thought it was a promotion, it was a hiring fair. they're trying to find people. so anytime you're paid about $17 an hour is the current benefit with the state plus this generous federal benefit, it's

about $17 an hour to stay home. and i'm thankful for these republican governors like greg gianforte in montana. he led the way ten days ago. he said we're going to stop this additional $300 a week federal unemployment benefit, plus we're going to pay a $1200 hiring bonus if you go back to work. because he knows, he's a business guy. people need paychecks, not government checks. here's what happened. we have a small business in montana just told me a couple days ago that prior to the governor's announcement they were seeing about one application a week for all these open positions. after he made the pronouncement, they got 60 applications. david: wow. well, that's great although it's kind of weird that you have to pay people to come to work. it just shows you how distorted the whole economy's become. of course, we knew it was going to be distorted by all these lockdowns, but it's come to a new level. nevertheless, the president insists that these unemployment benefits are not specifically

related to all the unfilled jobs. here's what he said earlier this week. play tape. >> i know there's been a lot of discussion since friday, since friday's report that people are being paid to stay home rather than go to work. well, we don't see much evidence of that. david: the evidence is clear, senator, from my perspective. i've been following this for decades now. you have 8.1 million unfilled jobs, 8.1 million unfilled jobs. it just about equals the number of jobs that we still have lost as a result of the pandemic. can you think of any other -- i know that there are some people that are still afraid of going back to work because of the pandemic, but with everybody getting vaccinated now or a lot of people getting vaccinated or had the virus, it's hard to find other reasons as compelling as these unemployment benefits. >> well, i'll tell you, president biden and vice president harris are living in

an alternate reality. they need to get out of the white house, go spend some time with some small business owners. ask them what's going on. they'll tell you very quickly anytime you're paying people more to stay at home than to go to work, they're going to stay home. it's not that complicated. i'm thankful for these republican governors, 13 of them, that have followed montana's lead with some common sense. david: you know, you mentioned the $17 an hour, that's how much you'd have to pay to compete with the government's unemployment benefits. in new york it's like 20, over $20 an hour because they're a more generous state on unemployment benefits. and if you think of all the small businesses that just can't afford to pay their workers that much money. they have a relatively small profit margin. they're not apple or amazon, they've got a 5% profit margin. if they start hiring people at $20 an hour, they're going to go broke. it's that simple. >> it is. and, david, you know, you were talking about inflation earlier,

this is one more contributing factor to inflation. what's going on in our economy at the moment. this is constraint in the labor force. and, again, it's not a jobs crisis, it's a labor crisis. david: and yet the chief economist for the president, cecilia rouse, said it actually might end up being a good thing because it would push up wages. let me play her tape and get your response. >> do you think employers should -- [inaudible] pay their employees more now as one of the solutions to these 8.1 million jobs? >> jobs are not risk-free, right? they have become a little riskier, and so if employers have to pay a little bit more to compensate those employees, i think that's appropriate. david: we only have ten seconds, senator. she mix it sound so easy, but -- makes it sound so easy, but not in the real world as you suggested. >> i'm a business guy. our businesses are competing against the federal government.

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david: the israel/gaza conflict escalating overnight, israel launching more airstrikes while palestinian militants launched a barrage of markets into israel, the violence spreading to the west bank now. amy kellogg is there with the very latest. hi, amy. >> reporter: hi, david. well, there had been a lot of disturbances just behind me in

ramallah today and other parts of the west bank, but it seems to be quieting down. you can still see the smoke, of course. a lot of things were set on fire, there was a lot of tear gas and stun grenades and rubber bullets, and it did get bad for a while, but this seems to be dying down. it is the day marking when 700,000 palestinians were chased from their homes in 1948, all of this existence the backdrop of -- against the backdrop of a convergence of things that have made blood boil even more over the last week or so. the end of ramadan, jerusalem day and there has been clashes steadily over the last two days in the west bank with 11 people killed and an awful lot of violence also within israel between arabs and jews in some us rah reilly cities. -- israeli cities. this is really worrying people as much as all of the rocket

fire. to the rocket fire, there was a barrage over tel aviv in central israel today, and one person was killed in the city. apparently, he did not have a shelter in his home, this is what is being reported, and trying to get to safety he ended up getting hit by shrapnel. the rocket that fell left an enormous hole, but it was the shrapnel that kill one person as the sirens wailed over central israel today. then in gaza, as you mentioned, david, the building housing associated press and al-jazeera, a big media tower, was taken down just a short while ago. there's very dramatic footage of it exploding and collapsing. there was a warning. the journalists inside, apparently, did get out. but -- and the israelis are saying it also housed some militant infrastructure. but the associated press is, has put out a statement about how

shocked and upset they are about all of this saying, i think importantly, that the world will know much less about what is happening in gaza now that these journalists have lost their place to work. and finally, a house in gaza this morning taken down, ten members of one family killed, most of them children. that, obviously, set emotions on fire again, and hamas sent those rockets, in fact, the dozens that they hurled towards tel aviv today, in response to the killing of those civilians. again,s israel says they were targeting militants in that house. i think it's kind of unclear at this point to what extent hamas has been disabled. there were reports of over a hundred militants killed overnight, and there is, you know, the question of whether their pentagon -- if you want to put it that way -- has been disabled, demoralized. there had been fewer rockets this morning, but this barrage

over tel aviv makes us think they're still quite active. hamas' statement is we're ready to rain rockets over tel aviv continuously for the next six months, david. david: amy kellogg, thank you very much. how is president biden handling the crisis, and later, more fallout from that pipeline attack. all that's coming right up. this is us talking tax-smart investing, managing risk, and all the ways schwab can help me invest. this is andy reminding me how i can keep my investing costs low and that there's no fee to work with him. here's me learning about schwab's satisfaction guarantee. accountability, i like it. so, yeah. andy and i made a good plan. find your own andy at schwab. a modern approach to wealth management.

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fortunately, word got out to the people inside in gaza that they were about to explode the building and ors n., that's what happened -- and, in fact, that's what happened. nevertheless, the white house press secretary saying, quote: we have communicated directly to the israelis that insuring the security and safety of journalists and independent media is a paramount responsibility. i mean, this is one of the tragedies of war. is there any way to avoid this kind of thing? >> yes. hamas and their intelligence agents can get out of civilian targets and facilities and stop co-locating where there is press, where there is media, where there are families. and the ids before they took down this meeting, they sent out a statement to evacuate the building. they can't give any more notice than they did otherwise you would scare off some of the intelligence assets that they were targeting. but they clarified that's why they were targeting it. and if the administration isn't going to be clear, david, that israel was right to do this because this is where hamas was

co-locating, then they are doing the work -- maybe unintentionally -- of hamas to confuse the situation so people think it's the israelis at fault, not hamas militants. david: well, you know, the first time i heard the phrase human shield, it was during a previous int fad da where they were using innocent civilians in order to protect themselves from fire from the israelis. it is a tactic they've used before. >> it's a tactic that they're used before, it's a tactic they continue to use, and the israelis have -- there's no history of the israeli government going and intentionally attacking innocent people. of course you don't want to attack the press and media. and so i think for the administration to inadvertently confuse these waters or, you know, see democratic members of congress even doing the work of hamas by communicating this poorly -- david: well, rebecca, we have to run. the fact is a lot of members of

congress are callings israel a terrorist organization and not mentioning that hamas is a terrorist organization according to the last time i looked at state department designations. we have to run, rebecca. we've got to have you back. thank you very much. we'll be right back. ...

>> motorists nationwide still getting hit at the pump after the cyber attack hit a major energy pipeline in the east coast. fuel is now pumping through the line. that's good news, but major problems still persist and that's the problem. here is what we know right now. the group of hackers behind the ransom attack claims it's disbanding. this as washington d.c. and at least 14 states still see some stations without a single drop of petrol. we're hearing accusations of price gouging sending prices

even higher. we're going to talk to one state attorney general who is lowering the hammer for this. first to our own laura engle in being rockville center, new york, and motorists are coping with the higher price to fill up. >> pretty much it's a normal looking saturday on long island. as you just reported over the last few days there's been the supply and demand problem all throughout the country. and that's really left sort of this uneasy feeling with a lot of people, which is heavy on the mind of motorists this weekend. >> i think i'm going to stay in, the gas, can't really afford it. >> my kids have to eat and get places and i know there's only like two weeks left of school, but we've still got to get the kids back and forth. >> yeah, the cost of commuting has been in flux this last week after the colonial pipeline attack.

and they had a relatively smooth ride the last year with the moderate gas prices and now they have to adjust their plans with the uncertainty lingering in the air, not knowing what they'll be paying at the pump the last few weeks. president biden said it wasn't like flicking on a light switch, he predicts a region by region return to normality into next week. when you look at an average of gasoline the past months, 2.53 to 3.04, and here in new york, they're trying to convince governor cuomo to look at the gas tax. and. >> a carbon tax, you can't do it that way. the carbon tax, i understand it

and how does it work, what the economic impact and you'd have all of those questions. >> and it's all eyes on that right there. the price at the pump. we all do it, right, you go to the stop light, you look over and exactly see how much you're going to pay here and go down the street and see how it is there on the last two busy weeks of travel in the month of may, including memorial day weekend. david. david: i want to see my daughter in new jersey right after the election, november 7th, i took a picture of it. we don't have it here, it was $2.01 a gallon. at the same place now it's over 3. so it's amazing how prices have gone up. thank you very much. the dhs cyber chief says the hack attack is the tip of the infrastructure risk iceberg. so how -- the big question now, what is being done to prevent another attack? here with some answers, the former energy secretary under president trump, good to see you, dan. thanks for being here.

what do you think of the job that the administration did so far with regards to the colonial attack. >> david, thanks for having me. i think they did what they needed to do, the steps were routine and customary, they needed to do. every secretary would do and every president would do following a national or natural catastrophe i should say, or a cyber attack. it's important that they be done and this administration did it quickly, and i applaud them for the response. the question what do we do next? what can we do to improve our defense posture, improve our infrastructure in the united states so we're not held ransom to these awful cyber brutes like dark side. david: well, let's talk about the ransom because we're getting details, they're sketchy, but getting them, there was something like 75 bit coynes bitcoins to pay that off, three, four million dollars. are you concerned at all that the white house might have

approved of that payment or at least known about it? >> i sincerely hope that's not the case. i mentioned earlier, i hope that the company was not advised to pay this ransom because, it certainly will incentivize future attacks that are similar to this one and not only on the pipeline in america, but potentially the electric utilities as well. so, i don't know what the situation is inside of the department of energy or what it was inside of the white house. we should ask the question. if the white house did not advise them or were not aware of the payments, they should say so. the president's comment-- his no comment was not terribly reassuring. david: now, is it conceivable that president putin did not know about this attack or is it even possible that he was part of directing the attack? >> well, it's conceivable that he didn't know, but our experience with russian cyber actors is that they rarely act without the knowledge of the

government. so i think it's probably more conceivable that someone within the government, someone within mr. putin's staff at a minimum, knew of this attack or at least knew of the actors executing the attack. >> did the trump administration thwart any attacks like this? >> every day, this is a come on occurrence, this is something that happens, and it underpins and the foundation for all economic activity within our country, as a result, it is a major target. david: every day, i'm shocked to hear that from you. because i consider myself fairly well-informed. i didn't know that every day our energy infrastructure was subjected to attacks like these. >> yeah, every single day. there were 400 plus ransomware attacks just last year alone. most of these are just pings, they're seeing if they can get

through the open door or through a door and we handled them with fairly ease attempts to push back. david: how much ahead, you know, very often-- i hate to say it, but the hackers know more about how to do these things than we do, than the government does know about how to thwart them. are we staying a couple of steps ahead of these guys? >> well, we do our best, david. the industry, i think, does a really good job of protecting itself and its infrastructure, but it's important to remember the industry is always on defense, the hacker is playing offense and as a result, they have an advantage. so, it's much easier to be on offense than on defense. david: and finally, the president's killing of the xl pipeline project, did that leave us more vulnerable to this attack? >> it did. i think it's important for us to understand that we need more infrastructure not less. in the military we referred to it as depth, if you take ott one target there are three or four other assets we can bring to the front line and make sure we have what we need to

accomplish the mission. we need the same thing with energy infrastructure. david: dan brouillette, former energy secretary under president trump. thank you for being here. >> thank you. david: and from gas to grocery, soaring 2.4 the most since 2008. how stu leonard dealing with these spikes? stu leonard joins us from the store, wonderful to see you as always. >> you, too. david: for those who don't know you, you have a number of stores, you're in a good position in different states to tell us what's happening, what items have been popping the most the last couple of weeks. >> we're a family business and we're getting hundreds of deliveries every week from all of the farmers and ranchers. i've talked to them and i've talked, it's across the board. i've talked to ranchers out in the midwest we get our beef from. i've talked to our chicken

farmers, dairy farmers and they say the same thing, three things that are driving this cost increase, one is no one expected this burst in the economy to happen like this. i was just in dallas, i had -- he said it was the best month he's had in 43 years at his restaurant. and the second thing i'm hearing from all of our suppliers is the labor factor. economists can say whatever they want about the stimulus check, but it's causing people to stay home. we hear of some chefs and stuff that are getting $1,000 a week between unemployment and stimulus to stay home and so every supplier i've been talking to, the local farmers and so forth are two-thirds of capacity the number of people that they want. and the third thing is, just costs have gone up. i know we're exporting a lot of corn to china and doubled the price of corn up.

and our dairy farmers, the cows eat 40 to 50 pounds of corn a day and we have 900 head at his farm so his costs have gone up. it's the economy, the labor and costs. david: i'm curious to unite this story rising food prices and the story about the pipeline hack. did you-- did that slow things up on your supply chain, this pipeline hack and what happened in the past week? >> well, you know what it's done. it's driven fuel prices up and our farms and suppliers that we're talking to say that it's costing them double to get a truck from their farm, even the gulf of mexico, and with the shrimp, to get a truck of shrimp up to new york area where stew leonard's is located cost double than what it did last year. david: wow, that's what people don't recognize how many ripples there are in the economy. you know, it does ripple out all of these policies.

they seem to make sense in one place and don't make sense in the other. you mentioned meat production, and the administration is not very meat friendly. there are a lot of people that are saying in the administration, actually has something to did with climate change which is might strike people as odd. >> how about this guy. david: that's a tomahawk, i love those tomahawks. that's a beauty. >> i've got one waiting for you. you can say what you want about meat prices, a tomahawk like this one customers love them. david: is that a concern you might end up with policy from inside the beltway that affects the production of meat because they think it adds to climate change? >> it's probable. -- it's possible. those are governmental things and i'm talking pretty much on the ground what our ranchers are saying and right now their feed costs have gone up. fuel prices have gone up and they're struggling and the

other thing, everybody was caught a little flat-footed with this burst in the economy. we didn't expect this much business at this time. david: right. >> we sort of were thinking in maybe june or july, but not this early. graduation parties are crazy. everybody wants to have one now. david: yeah, by the way, stew, very quickly. we've got to run, but i don't see many people with masks on in the back. is that-- are people getting rid of the masks in the store now? >> big decision we have at stew leonard's, do we go with the mask-free policy, walmart, trader joe's and we're going to let it be a personal decision among our customers. i just talked to a lady that said look, i'm still going to wear my mask when i come shopping. it's a personal decision and that's the way we want to leave it with all of our stew leonard's customers. david: you made it through the pandemic with flying colors, stew. you were right there in the beginning and you stayed there, you must have had three hours a

sleep a night over the past year, but god bless you, you're getting through it, you do great work and great to have you with us. stew leonard. >> thank you, david. david: thank you very much. meet the state ag who's cracking down with some gas stations sending prices way up. ♪ yum yum yum yum yum yum yum ♪ ♪ yum yum yum yum yum yum ♪ ♪ yum yum yum yum yuuum yum yum yum yum yum yum yuuum ♪

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republican attorney general alan wilson. good to see you, have you seen price gouging in your state? >> as of friday we've had 760 reports of price gouging, but in south carolina the definition of price gouging is when the prices rise to an unconscionable level and that's something we have to go look at. you know, obviously in the free market, when you have a shortage in supply, the demand is up, you're going to have an increase in price, that's normal, when the prices go to an unconscionable level, something we'll determine the next few weeks if anyone violated. david: that's a relatively term, unconscionable level. i'm just wondering what that would mean. say price is generally 3.04. and we saw that 3.04 is the general price level of a gallon. what would an unconscionable level be defined as, if you have $3 starting point.

>> unconscionable to one person, if someone is charging $15 a gallon that would obviously be price gouging, but 3, 3.50, $4, that's relative where you are in the country and demand and supply. i want to shut out to petroleum distributors and marketers, and they've helped us in our state so we've got the great relationships with them, without their input we wouldn't be able to track this. david: it's so tough to be on the front line of the gas lines. as we saw, there are fights breaking out. you know, i mean, these are real warriors trying to keep things calm and collected at the pumps. i'm wondering, though, how if you find out-- there's one we're looking at video i'm sure you've seen that one of the fights in north carolina that broke out between two motorists. how do you prosecute those who

you think are price gouging, what specific laws are you using? and are you working with the federal government on this? >> and the state law, price gouging, it goes into effect and there wasn't the hacking that lasts for 15 days and to be extended, but a misdemeanor crime in south carolina, it adds up to a 30-day prison sentence or jail sentence and $1,000 fine. so it's a misdemeanor crime and again, our goal is not to go out and punish people who are increasing the prices. our goal is to try to prevent rogue people from going out and exploiting for personal gain. obviously, prices are going to rise, rise more than the average personal wants you to, it's unconscionable, but our goal is to target the rowing individuals, to collaborate and cooperate with federal

authorities. david: finally, i'm wondering if you're concerned that the shortages might be here to stay, the shortages and high prices could be here to stay beyond the immediate problems that colonial has. what do you think? >> well, obviously, i believe that this is an isolated incident due to hacking. i can't predict what's going to happen in the future. and that the distribution channels will open up and we will return to normal soon. that's my hope and my belief. what i want people to understand if you're listening right now, to are people to remain calm. not to overreact. this will pass and things will return to normal, whether it's a few days or a few weeks, but we'll get through this together. david: yeah, it is a tough time though. alan wilson, south carolina's attorney general. good to see you, sir. thanks for coming here, we appreciate it. the c.d.c. now saying get the shot, drop the mask, to a top doctor next asking what took so

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>> the c.d.c. announcing a major change to its guidelines, where fully vaccinated americans this week. if you have the shot, now you can lose the mask in most places. lots of folks asking what took so long. the director of the institute of autoimmune and rheumatic diseases at st. joseph health center. thank you for being here. appreciate it. there have been so many changes in c.d.c. policies on so many different subjects, it's hard to keep track and that's part of it. just two weeks ago, two weeks

ago c.d.c. was saying, when your kids go to summer camp they have to wear masks outside. and so two weeks later you have to complete reversal of that. how can you have trust in the c.d.c. if it changes its rules so dramatically in such a short period of time? >> well, david, two weeks ago to be fair to the c.d.c., the kids were not being vaccinated. the kids were 12 to 15. that just happened last week, so i understand their position on that, but you're absolutely right. there is something like 28 states that were reopened, many of them before this pronouncement from dr. walensky from the c.d.c. so it's very refreshing to know that now we don't have to wear masks in we're vaccinated. that should have happened a couple, maybe six to eight weeks ago when we had demonstrated very clearly that the efficacy of the three vaccines that had emergency use

authorization were very, very effective. and they were 100% effective in protecting people from winding up in the hospital and in the intensive care unit so i think it's-- >> doctor, i'm just wondering more about the c.d.c. and whether or not they have become subject to political manipulation. there were charges about that during the trump administration, but now you hear it here. the afc, american federation of teachers had input, some say undue input into their policies and questions whether this change on masks this week was because of the political pressure on the biden administration they needed to put out good news. one of the covid czars, spoke to that point late in the week after that decision was made whether there was political influence made by the c.d.c. or politicians around the c.d.c. here is what he had to say. >> well, with the c.d.c.

guidance is what it is, wouldn't you do that before the hearings and take the tough questions than after. david: is the c.d.c. making the decision or decisions made for the c.d.c.? >> that's a good question. i have a firm trust in the c.d.c. and f.d.a. i've worked with both groups. i don't know what they're up to now, whether they're politicized, but i was certain that they were very, very nonpolitical in the old days, i'm talking the old days a couple of years back, before the pandemic. it's possible they're taking direction from the white house and that that is something that we all have to bear in mind, but i'm extremely happy with the announcement that we can drop the masks and if we're fully vaccinated indoor and outdoor activities and children can go to summer camps and

school in the fall. and concerts and ball games. i'm hoping it's not politicized. david: there seems to be. and there is talk about vaccine passports that are causing concern. when there's vaccine passports to go to travel services, concerts, et cetera. >> i think that would be out of line. i don't believe in vaccine passports, there are people out there that have concerns about being vaccinated. i'm totally in the agreement that everyone should get vaccinated and you should get vaccinated as soon as possible. i think that this c.d.c. mask policy that just came out is encouraging people to get vaccinated and get rid of the hesitancy. i don't think that we should have i.d. cards or passports or

anything else. david: then there are people like me, i had covid in january and then i got the regeneron infusion so i have antibodies from the national occurrence when i got the disease and then antibodies from the regeneron infusion, so, i'm not-- i can't get a vaccine even if i wanted to, shouldn't there be waivers for people like me? >> i think you can get the vaccine at this time. i mean, there's a couple of months afterwards, but i encourage all people who have been infected with covid to get the vaccine later to boost their immune systems. we simply don't know how long the efficacy of the vaccine is going to last, a year, two years, three years, so we encourage people to get the vaccine even if they have been infected. david: all right. and then finally, the kids getting the vaccine, a lot of parents are worried about that. what are your feelings about kids from 12 to 15 getting vaccines? >> let me tell you that 24% of the new infections are being seen in young people, in that

age group. there are 17 million kids between 12 and 15 years of age. i say if you're going to send your child to summer camp, to summer school or even to start school up in the fall, and the uft, united federation of teachers, they want to keep their teachers safe as well. the children can pass it on to other children. admittedly children don't get very sick if at all for the most part. we have variants floating around and we need to make sure that parents get their children vaccinated. certainly my grandchildren, i hope they'll get vaccinated. >> i'm not sure about mine, he's only six months old. i think he's safe. the border is under in control,

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apprehensions in april. alex. >> good morning, david. so far we've seen about three people cross the border, but we're not seeing as many. there's a reason for that. take a look just over my shoulder. on the hill, which is just across the border, so this is mexico that you're seeing there, you will see people in camouflage. those are mexican marines. and this week we saw those mexican marines scanning this waterfront area in camouflage, taking groups of people into custody. showing a very active presence. something that the sheriff hasn't seen for 40 years here in the valverde county. >> i've never seen it happen before. i think it was just a play on showing this administration that mexico or mexicans are doing their part to try to keep the border secure. >> most of the migrants are

citing violence and seeking a safe future. and jen psaki told reporters, that they were sending troops to border. and transferred to u.s. security. migrants, especially children are told to take off their shoe laces to prevent harm to themselves or others. more than 178,000 people last month. that's up 63% from 2019 and up more than 900% from last year, the required acting ice director speaking on fox today about the issue. >> the secretary talked how they were being much more efficient at the line and border patrol is not as overwhelmed as a couple of weeks ago. we still have a problem, lots of families sending children to the border and 20-some thousand

people who are in hhs custody. >> among the 20,000, that's specifically referring to children. well, the tide right here along the rio grande river is lowering and we could see more crossings. but because of the marines on the other side of the shore might not be something we'll see. david: a crisis hitting the home front, workers shortages. some are extending unemployment berths and companies are trying to increase wages trying to attract workers staying at home collecting those benefits. will those work. joining me is a c.p.a. and market analyst, dan, and the banson group cio david. and michelle, first to you, the benefits are going to expire

the end of the summer. it's precisely the summer that a lot of small businesses in the country, millions of small businesses were hoping to start the process of attracting people back into their business, whether they were restaurants or retail facilities or what. they can't wait that long, can they? >> well, no, we're certainly seeing a shortage, i mean even here where we live in santa fair, which is a very touristy town, restaurants are understaffed as well as hotels. going forward one would think it's a temporary problem almost over. one thing we did see last week in terms of the jobless claims, it was at a pandemic low. so that shows the trend is starting to emerge back to work. there will always be a percentage of people out of this paradigm that don't go back to work they were sole proprietorships at home or investors and done quite well and plan to stick on that. we may lose a little bit of people, but i think also a lot

of these companies got as much money from ppp loans during the pandemic that could help the bottom line at least for the larger corporations, but, yes, it's hurting some of the small businesses. david: oh, no, no, no, a lot of these small businesses are getting hurt by this and again, you mentioned record numbers, david, i've never seen a number, 8.1 million unfilled jobs. 8.1 million unfilled jobs, clearly, clearly there's an incentive keeping people out of those jobs, and in order to reach the -- in order to compete with the government you have to spend more than $20 an hour in payments, which many, many, many small companies can't do. >> well, the reason you've never seen 8.1 million is because it's never happened before as long as they've been tracking that data, it's an all-time high and i think this is one of those areas where it takes an incredible resistance to common sense and basic intuition to believe that

there's not a connection between this federal subsidy extension and what we're seeing. i'm going to tell you the number real quick. truck drivers, dental assistants, pre-school teachers, hotel clerks, all people that lost jobs, all entry level positions that can make more money with the government subsidy than what they're doing. david: it's amazing. >> it's worth about 3 or 4 million of the jobs right now. david: and we only have 45 seconds, dan, we need more time to talk about taxes. in addition to the job problems, small businesses are getting hit with probably new taxes coming online from the biden administration, we don't know the details. monday, by the way is our new tax day because we had the extension. they're due on monday. a lot of people are saying, geez, i've had trouble figuring out how the new taxes work. imagine what's coming next year. >> there's real concern about that. first and foremost, david, a lot of people are going to get caught getting less of a refund or having to pay on monday,

which they didn't see coming because they were too worried about any money they were making to use it to live and weren't thinking of that withholding. therefore a number of people are going to be short. even if you can't pay your taxes on monday, file your tax return anyway, there are options to work out, payments after the fact, but get those returns filed on time. david: folks, that's america's accountant talking, c.p.a., dan, thank you for coming in appreciate it. the c.d.c. lifting mask rules on the same day a teacher's union boss called for schools to fully reopen in the fall. some critics are questioning the timing. we'll talk about that coming up. ♪♪ ♪ back to school again ♪ compli. as your broker, i've solved it. that's great, carl.

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>> given current circumstances, nothing should stand in the way of fully reopening our public schools this fall and keeping them open. david: that was the president of one of the largest teachers unions in the country. randy weingarten calling for public schools to fully reopen in the fall, a major aboutface for the union on the same day that the c.d.c. had its about-face on the mask guidance. and providing 185,000 deserving kids with scholarships since its founding. we called the teacher's union and c.d.c. and invited both of them to appear. hope to hear from them. nice to see you. >> good to see you. david: k through 12 schools got a huge influx of money, of

funds from the three covid bills, by president biden and the total comes to 193 billion dollars. a lot of that goes to the teachers union. do you think somebody called randi and told and reminded her how much they got in the packages? >> i don't know if there was a call. when i look at reopening in the fall, my response, i'll believe it when i see it. clearly they've been talking about reopening schools for a long time this year, it hasn't happened, only 30% of elementary and middle school kids are going to live instruction. it hasn't happened so far, so i'm not real confident it's going to happen in the future. i'm glad she's saying it now, but it's a little like lifting the mask mandates when the states already lifted it or many didn't have it in the first place, it's all just words and it's like saying the border is closed when people are pouring in over the border. it doesn't have a lot of effect on what's happening actually

real-time. david: which is why so many kids, and so many parents, i should say, have moved their kids from public schools to private schools if they can afford it. if they can't, they look to your organization for scholarship or they try something else, charter schools that are nonunionized. but it's clear that the aat db parents are furious schools are closed despite the money coming in, will this revive their reputation? >> and i think the curtain has been pulled back. there's a fundamental problem here. and that's that the incentives and the power are not aligned properly. and whether it's a pandemic and the schools didn't reopen and whether it's educational attainment and whatever its, until you actually give freedom to the parents to choose a school for their children. until you fund children and not systems, we're going to keep

having these kinds of problems. and what the problem was. and you can see in 30-some states across the country, there's been a real-- a lot of activity around the school of choice, parental freedom. letting parents have the power. emergency what would have happened last september if a parent in a public school in new york city, for example, my school is not opening, and i want to go to a different school and the money would have followed the child. in new york city the private schools and parochial schools have been reopened since september. the fact that they could reopen the schools, there have been points to show you can do it and do it safely. nobody wants teachers to risk their lives teaching kids, certainly not, but we don't want the education of millions of children to be held hostage to a power structure that does nothing to further their interests. david: bingo. and also, we have very limited time, but the question what goes into the teaching and things like critical race

theory and the 1619 project, which essentially says the country was built all around slavery, and that's that motivated it more than any interest in freedom, et cetera. randi wine gar ten sports 1619, and those who don't want to see. and a lot of historians have seen 1619 projects and conservatives and liberals and say it's dead wrong in many of the assumptions. how do parents deal with that when the union backs the historically challenged plans. >> right now if you're a poor parent stuck in their zip code you have no other places to go. and parents with other resources can pull them out. and schools are not supposed to indoctrinate children. and also school should be able

to align with the parents' beliefs and values. right now, like i said, if you have resources and can move to a different private school, you have choices. who gets hurt are the kids that are poor. kids of color stuck in bad schools. it's exactly opposite of what they should be trying to do given everything else they're talking about. david: which is why we need the children's scholarship fund and you're looking at the president of that fund. darla, thank you for doing what you do. >> thank you, appreciate it. david: gas lines, jobs stalling, and border crisis pointing. how is the biden administration handling all of this? that's next.

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up for the biden administration from gas prices at the pump, price spikes at the store. how could that impact the midterm elections. thank you, kelly for being here. do you think, first of all, that the removal of the mask mandate or the change in policies that came from the c.d.c. and some people influenced by the white house is a result of trying to put a happy face on the problems this week? >> well, i think it's a good thing for the american people, especially for people to get outside and not wear a mask. and so i think it's a positive thing. i think we're moving forward and we're building back better, but things take time. david: they do, but again, specifically to that question, are they worried? are they doing damage control now? do you think the change in the mask mandate had anything to do with that? >> no, i don't think so at all.

we have to remember about gas incident, that was a privately held company that had a cyber attack by someone and the goes prices in a couple weeks or so it's not going to be an issue anymore. david: oh, i disagree entirely. people are talking about it all over the place, kelly. as i mentioned before it wasn't the colonial problem that caused the spike hikes. the gas prices were up about $1 per gallon since the election and that's something that people are talking about and frankly, the polls show it. >> we can agree to disagree, i think the gas prices are going to go down, but you know, as you know, inflation in our economy is good. it helps support people borrowing money, investing money and helps our economy grow. david: that's a tough sell, kelly. even if i was to buy it, that it's good for the economy and i don't, but it is tough to sell that message to people at the grocery store, people at the

pump filling up that inflation is a good thing. >> well then we should also increase the minimum wage so people who work hard and good working-- hard working american people earn a decent wage and that's why i think it's important for us to increase the minimum wage. david: you know how hard small businesses have been hit and small businesses, democrats say they stand for small businesses, small businesses can't afford to pay $20 an hour, which is what you've got to pay to compete with the government benefits. >> we know some corporations can pay it. david: the big guys can, i'm talking about the small businesses, they're the ones that our heart goes out to. >> no, absolutely. as a democrat, definitely support small businesses and that's what the covid relief packages helps small businesses, absolutely, they're the backbone of our country in doing that i would disagree with you. i think that they can, you know, a few more dollars to help. david: they can't, with a 5% profit margin, believe me a lot can't. kelly, we've got to leave it at that. before we go we want to send a

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