the world for which, i'm sure, israeli citizens reterriblely grateful. paul -- are eternally grateful. paul: that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panel and thanks to all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot, and we hope to see you right here next week. ♪♪ eric: well, president biden phoning world leaders trying to tamp down the violence in the middle east. he has spoken with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu for the second time this week while also calling palestinian leader mahmoud abbas, but the question now, could a ceasefire take hold with hamas? welcome to "fox news live," i'm eric shawn. hi, arthel. arthel: hi, eric. hello, everyone, i'm arthel neville. hamas firing thousands of rockets targeting israeli civilians and the country's heartland. meantime, an israeli airstrike

leveled a high-rise in gaza housing the associated press, al-jazeera and other media outlets. israel says the terrorist organization, hamas, used that building to hide military assets. trey yingst is live in israel near tel aviv where night has fallen on the war zone. trey, what can you tell us? >> reporter: arthel the, good afternoon. today the israeli military targeted a building that does house international media outlets. the ids did not provide any evidence to support a claim that a hamas was using the building for their own operations. the associated press did release a statement today regarding the incident saying, quote: we are shocked and hour ifyed that the israeli military would target the building housing news organizations in gaza. they have long known the location of our bureau and knew journalists were there. the outs were notified ahead of the strikes. earlier today factions inside gaza targeted tel aviv multiple

times with rockets. we saw incoming rocket fire as the israeli military shelled different positions inside gaza. take a look at what the scene was like earlier today. iron dome interception over the city as an artillery unit continues firing shells deep into the gaza strip. right now you can hear the israeli military is shelling the gaza strip in between incoming rocket rounds. this is the front line of this conflict that's expected to continue for the coming days. hamas says the fire towards tel aviv and other areas was in retaliation to the overkilling of ten people all from the same family, eight of those children. the destruction is widespread, and the united nations says 10,000 people have left their homes amid the escalating violence. so far journalists are not permitted to enter the gaza stripty order of the israeli military. given the decreasing

humanitarian assistance and the unraveling situation, it is more crucial now than ever to get accurate and crucial information out of this enclave. arthel? arthel: indeed. trey yingst on the front lines, thank you, and stay safe, please, my friend. all right. eric? eric: well, tensions also high on the west bank where confrontations between israeli forces and palestinian protesters have turned deadly. meantime, attacks are now target thing tell a-- targeting tel aviv and surrounding areas. senior correspondent amy kellogg is in a tel aviv suburb where a 55-year-old with man was killed by a rocket. he couldn't reach a bomb shelter in time. >> reporter: hamas says dozennen -- sent dozens of rockets towards tel aviv today, and one landed right in the middle of the street creating an enormous crater and sending shrapnel flying, killing one man, sending lots of others to

the hospital in a state of panic, damaging many buildings in the neighborhood. some of which had to be evacuated. hamas claimed that this was in response to the killing of ten civilians in gaza this morning. from morning tonight, 278 rockets were fired into israel. now, as they set off their rockets, sirens sounded across israel. people were seen running from beaches to shelters. while all this is the aspect of the latest explosion of tensions that has the world pressing on the two sides for a ceasefire, clashes on the streets of the palestinian territory have broken out and raised worries. this is something new. 11 were killed yesterday. told's saturday, the catastrophe -- today's saturday, the day that many were forced to e flee their houses or just fled them in fear towards the end of the war with israel in 1948. this is not the only scene of

tension in the west bank. there have been mobs of violent gangs going through the streets of many israeli cities, near lynchings taking place, jew on arab, arab on jew, and that is something a lot of people are considering to be almost as much of a problem as the rocket fire coming from gaza. amy kellogg, fox news. eric: back here at home, we've got new details on what president biden told israeli prime minister benjamin net ap an ya hue and palestinian president mahmoud abbas in phone calls this afternoon over concerns that the middle east could be on the brink of even more violence. david spunt live on the north lawn of the white house with the latest on those conversations and what the president is doing. hi, david. >> reporter: it has been a busy saturday here at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. we know president biden was on the phone with both of those world leaders just a few hours ago. the white house putting out statements about the president's

call with both of those. interesting enough, the marine that stands out of the west wing left a little while ago, now back outside meaning president biden likely in the oval office. i want to read part of the call with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, he updated the prime minister on high-level reengagement with regional partners and discussed ongoing diplomatic efforts. the president noted this period of conflict has tragically claimed the lives of israeli e and palestinian civilians including children. he raised concerns about the safety and security of journalists and reinforced the need to insure their protection. white house press secretary jen psaki a few hours before tweeted: we have communicated directly to the israelis that insuring the safety of journalists and independent media is a paramount responsibility. you heard them talk specifically about journalists, that's because what trey mentioned, that building that housed the associated press and other media

including al-jazeera in gaza was leveled by an israeli explosion. thankfully, it was evacuated befores israelis struck but, nevertheless, it was a's close call. as far as the phone call with president mahmoud abbas, president biden's readout continues to say the president expressed his support for steps to enable the palestinian people to enjoy the dignity, freedom and economic opportunity that they deserve. he highlighted the recent u.s. decision to resume assistance to the palestinian people including economic humanitarian assistance to benefit palestinians in the west bank in gaza. eric, it's important to note that president bidens has spoken numerous times to benjamin netanyahu since taking the oath a of office on january 20th. today was the first time he has spoken to palestinian president since taking the oath of office back on january 20. both leaders say they want to work with president biden to come forward with some sort of

solution. it's been a goal of presidents for decades. president biden hoping he can be the one that achieves that two-state solution. eric? eric: yeah. thank you, david. i was just checking, right now prime minister benjamin netanyahu is addressing his nation at the podium. there you see in the prime minister's office in jerusalem, he is saying that his nation will continue to act with full force in gaza to try and confront and defend itself from the hamas terrorist rocket attacks that have numbered over 2,500 that have been raining down on his country and israeli cities. he says that israel will do everything it can to prevent or limit civilian casualties in gaza. we will continue to monitor the prime minister's' address. he -- prime minister's address. he says the israeli operation in gaza is not over, and it will continue, he says, as long ass necessary. there you see live prime minister benjamin netanyahu

defending his nation against the terrorist assault from the terrorists of hamas in gaza saying he will continue as long as the rockets rain down. we will bring you more of what the prime minister has to say as we are monitoring his speech. arthel? arthel: yeah, or eric, strong words from the prime minister. this as the middle east is president biden's first major foreign policy crisis, but it also brings him a challenge from his own party as progressives push back on his support of u.s. ally israel. >> to read the statements from president biden, secretary blinken, general austin and leaders of both parties, you'd hardly know palestinians existed at all. >> many members of congress have instead fallen back on a blanket statement defending israel's airstrikes against civilians under the guise of self-defense. >> the president and many other figures this week with stated that israel has a right to

self-defense, but do palestinians have a right to survive? arthel: joining me now is bob cusack, editor in chief of "the hill." bob, for the biden administration, is deciding how to insert in this crisis like tiptoeing through a field of land mines? >> it really is, arthel. obviously, this conflict goes back many, many decades, and there's going to be no peace plan anytime soon. it's just a question of whether, when hopefully a ceasefire happens. but this is a political problem for the president because it used to be many, not all, but most, overwhelming majority nor congress would support israel. now it's becoming more of a litmus test on the left as far as support for palestinians. and you heard a lot of those voices including aoc and others. this is really dividing the democratic party. there are exceptions, but more of the centrists are supporting israel, and the palestinians are supported by the left wing.

and biden has to decide, okay, he's got to get a ceasefire, at least that's the first step, in talking to both leaders. and there is a frosty relationship between netanyahu and biden. netanyahu and trump were very close, and they did talk at the election, but biden was talking to other foreign leaders -- arthel: yeah. we're going to get to that. >> yeah. arthel: we played the sound of the congresswomen. i didn't take it that they were, you know, dismissing the safety of israel, but they were saying let's not forget about the palestinian people. >> correct. arthel: let me play some sound from secretary of state antony blinken yesterday. this is his take. >> we've been very clear that rocket attacks must cease. we've been very clear about israel's right to defend itself. we believe that the israelis and palestinians deserve equal measures of freedom, security, dignity and prosperity. that recognition will continue to drive our approach.

arthel: okay. so as we said, president biden spoke with prime minister netanyahu today. this is the second time this week, offering america's support. but, bob, what's the ask of netanyahu? what does netanyahu need to do to deescalate this crisis and, you know, should the prime minister also be concerned for the safety of journalists and the palestinian people? >> well, he definitely should be, and i think it's smart and as a journalist i think it's very good for the white house to accentuate that point with netanyahu. and i would imagine they had a cordial conversation. but at the same time, biden has to talk to abbas and netanyahu and get them, persuade them to deescalate here. that's not happening. so they -- arthel: well, how do you know that? how do you know that's not happening? as you said, he's spoken with pal is stipjanuary -- palestinian president mahmoud abbas. the is also diplomatically

engaged with regional countries there, talking about egypt, qatar, jordan as well as the palestinian officials, and we see benjamin netanyahu on the screen alongside, you know, saying to his people, listen, i'm aware of what's happening. obviously, i'm on top of this, and i am going to do everything i can to protect my people which, of course, as the leader, he should do. so i'm asking you to also make sure we don't forget about the people, the palestinian people, on the other side. what is the ask of mr. netanyahu to december deescalate? >> well, as far as this tension right now and this war is intensifying or clash, whatever you want to call it. and biden has to lower the temperature, and netanyahu's saying i'm going to defend my people which, of course, he should. every leader should. arthel: so what does president biden, what does president biden do? what does he do at this point? beyond what he's already doing? >> i think biden has to continue

to do what he's doing as far as diplomacy, but also say let's have a ceasefire for a day, 48 hours, something. because this is leading to death on both sides, and that's the tragic situation of this conflict. arthel: so does president biden try to speak to hamas leaders? >> i think what leaders -- and trump did this and more so i think than obama and others who preceded obama including republicans, is i think talking to leaders is accepted by the american people. i think people say, listen, you can talk, but you've also got to get results. now, some people are going to criticize if biden did that, but that's why trump talked to north korea's leaders and talked to other leaders who are dictators or who fund terrorism, and obama struck a deal with iran. i think talking to leaders should be on the table. arthel: okay. we'll leave it there, bob cusack. thank you very much, editor-in-chief of "the hill." eric? eric: here at home, the colonial

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eric: now the latest on the gas shorte thatted stretched all the way up the east coast. the biden administration says the fuel supply should be back to normal by tomorrow now than the colonial pipeline is back up and running after last week's cyber attack. but there are concerns this could happen again. laura ingle has more on what it means for prices at the pump when you go to the gas station. jonathan serrie is live in georgia right along the colonial pipeline at a transfer station where, hopefully, all the crude and the gas is running. >> reporter: that's right. the gas is running all the way from texas to new jersey on the colonial pipeline, but getting that gas from facilities like this one, these huge tank farms where trucks have been pulling up all day, getting the gas from here to area service stations is

a time consuming process. they fill up with fuel product, and then they drive out to gas stations and deliver that product, in many cases replenishing bone dry tanks at these a gas stations. and then it's not just trucking the fuel it out to the stations that you have to consider. you also have to take into consideration the flow of fuel on the pipeline itself. >> it moves very slowly, often around 5 miles an hour. and as you can imagine, it's very complex getting the pressure right and making sure that this product is moving safely. so it is taking a matter of days. >> reporter: here in georgia governor brian kemp has extended a state of emergency through next saturday. georgia has temporarily suspended its gas tax and raised the weight limits on trucks transporting fuel. even with these measures to streamline fuel deliveries, gasbuddy reports 46% of gas stations in this state are out of fuel today, 49% in

neighboring south carolina. and in north carolina, eric, the figure's even higher, 68%. and in washington, d.c., 81% of all gas stations, according to gasbuddy, are out of fuel today. back to you. eric: wow. you'd have never thought how fast fuel would flow through those lines. by the way, jonathan, later in our newscast we will talk to a cyber expert about the threat from cyber criminals that they pose to our infrastructure. thank you. arthel? arthel: yeah, eric, that effort is very, very important and very serious as well. so the colonial pipeline, by the way, may be back in service, right? but prices at the pump are still rising across the country, and that is causing some lawmakers to take steps to avoid a potential crisis in some states. laura ingle live on long island, new york, with more. hi, laura. >> reporter: hi, arthel. yeah, lawmakers taking a very close look at what's happening here. what we can tell you about out

here on long island today the, things are looking pretty normal, and that's a great thing. however, as we've been reporting, things have not been great throughout the country, and that has given a lot of motorists cause for concern especially as they're getting ready for these next few weeks, the busy travel weeks going into memorial day. the cost of commuting has been up and down this past week after the cyber attack. some people have been doling out more dough for gas after having relatively moderate gas prices during the pandemic. and with costs going up, budgeting and timing are key. >> i'm going to have to fill up probably again before getting to north carolina because there's a bigtime gas shortage, so i'm probably going to have to fill up on the way as well. >> reporter: plan out those routes. many drivers are saying they are needing to adjust their plans with all of this uncertainty lingering, not knowing exactly what they'll be paying at the pump in the coming weeks and if they'll have have gas at all. despite promises from the feds that everything will return to

normal soon. now, this is the first time since november of 2014 that the national average for a gallon of gas has been over $3. seventeen states across the u.s. are reporting such numbers, and those in california are seeing prices at $4 or more a gallon. here in new york, you mentioned it there at the top, lawmakers are struggling with how to proceed. republican lawmakers are trying to convince governor cuomo to suspend the gas tax to help bring relief to consumers while democratic state lawmakers are proposing a robust carb bonn tax that could significantly raise gas prices, something that cuomo has said is not the right thing to do. we've been here all day watching people go in and out of this gas station and around the region, and they say, look, we've got to fill it up, we've got to do our budgeting, and we're still going to get on the road. it, of course, affects everybody. arthel: everybody is watching gas prices and what's happening with the situation. laura ingle, thank you. eric?

eric: thanks, laura and arthel. speaking of the colonial pipeline, the company that owns it, well, reports say they paid millions of dollars in ransom to get it back online from those cyber criminals. so was that the right move, or will it only encourage cyber attacks? an expert on what we face from cyber criminals straight ahead here on "fox news live." ♪ ♪ ♪♪

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♪ eric: well, we show you israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu a few moments ago addressing the people of israel. he has wrapped that up. he thanked president biden for his support. they both had a telephone conversation about the ongoing violence, and he said that israel is justified in defending its citizens from the rain of rockets, estimated at more than 2,500, that have so far been fired at israel by the terrorist group hamas. >> it's been five days since hamas if brazenly -- brazenly fired rockets at jerusalem and oh israeli cities -- others israeli cities in a totally unprovoked attack. this past week millions of israelis were forced into bomb shelters as missiles rained down on our cities. several israelis have been killed, many more have been wounded. you know and i know in country would tolerate this.

israel will not tolerate this, and i want to thank president biden for his clear and unequivocal support. you cannot equate a democracy that values life with a terror organization that glorifies death. eric: the prime minister also said that the operation in gaza will continue with full force, but he says israel will do everything it can to prevent civilian casualties. he said, quote: unlike hamas which deliberately intends to harm civilians while hiding behind civilians, we are doing everything, but everything, to avoid or limit as much as possible harming civilians and to directly strike terrorists instead. arthel? arthel: all right, eric, thank you. well, now to other top stories we're following for you today. major retailers like walmart, costco, publix and trader joe's say customers who are fully vaccinated against covid-19 will no longer have to wear masks in

stores. this comes after the cdc released new guidance saying it's no longer necessary for fully vaccinated people to wear masks indoors. a new study says low dose aspirin is safe and effective at preventing heart disease and strokes. many doctors believe regular or high dose aspirin would work better than the lower dose, but the study finds baby aspirin is just as effective as the regular drug. is and in houston, texas, police believe a missing tiger is being moved around by animal traffickers trying to keep it hidden. the nine-month-old bengal tiger hasn't been seen since sunday when it was spotted wandering around a neighborhood. police say a man put the animal in his car and drove off. that man was later arrested on an unrelated murder charge. eric? eric: wow. well, cyber criminals, they're no doubt keeping a close eye on the recent hacking of the colonial pipeline.

fuel is flowing again, but you know that company reportedly paid a high price the make it happen. according to bloomberg, colonial paid hackers rough hi $5 million in -- roughly $5 million in ransom. local governments, companies anding agencies are being extorted online by hackers, what do we do? if former nsa admiral mike rogers. good to see you. when the famed bank robber willie sutton was asked why does he rob banks, he said that's where the money is. i guess cyber criminals are taking a cue from this in the internet age. this seems pretty widespread. >> it's been an issue for the last 5-10 years, but you have seen it really explode number one because of the covid pandemic as we've had to disperse from our workplaces, work at home, work remotely, we

don't have the same kind of security structure, the proliferation, if you will, the devices being connected is the second thing i would argue. and the two other factors to me, nothing breeds success like success. criminals understand there's money to be made, and you're seeing more of them. and lastly, their proficiency level keeps growing. the criminals are getting better here. eric, yeah. apparently this was a group called dark side, east -- either russian or eastern european criminals. they made $60 million last year doing this. how widespread are these groups, and how can we protect ourselves, is that even possible when you've got a vulnerable infrastructure? >> so, number one, it's massive in scale. i mean, it's global. it's not just the united states. and it's not just one particular sector. for example, energy or health care or government even though those three areas probably have been among the most affected by

ransomware. the trend clearly is going in the wrong direction, so as i look at this problem, my view is doing more of the same and expecting we're going to get different outcomes does not have a high probability of success. i think it argues that we've got to try some different things here. eric: what would you suggest? >> so several things come to mind for me. number one, we we need a much closer partnership between the government and the private sector, and i don't mean just collaboration which is the phrase you tend to hear. i think it is not a positive indicator, for example, that one week into this event you had the department of homeland security on friday indicate they still did not have complete knowledge from colonial the company as to exactly a what had just happened. think about that. one week into the disruption of the single greatest distribution source for fuel along the population section of the united

states, the east coast, and we're still trying to get the basics shared between the individual company and the federal government. that's not a good place to be. eric: are you concerned or is there real possibility that, you know, some of these groups could turn the lights out? i mean, how bad can it get, if at all, or do we have the protections to stop this, and what do we need to do to have the protections that would make you comfortable? >> no, clearly we're seeing colonial is an example, cyber enables adversaries whether they be criminal groups or nation-states, they enable actors to have a significant, massive impact. in the military we used to call it asymmetric. for the amount of money and effort that a group puts into this compared to the outcome they can achieve, it's a pretty high return which is a reason you see nation-states heavily investing as well as, quite frankly, criminal groups. so when i look at what do we need to be doing differently, i'm struck by a few things.

number one, for companies this idea of resilience, you have to structure yourself in anticipation of cyber penetration, and you must ask yourself, so what can i do to keep working, to keep operating. the fact, for example, that colonial opted as the default strategy to just totally shut down, that is not, that's just not the optimal way to deal with this. that means we've got to make a lot of differences in training, investment, spending. i think also here the government's got to get more involved. for example, we'll often talk about, well, should a company pay ransomware. as you've indicated, media's reporting that colonial paid potentially up to $5 million. i'm not a fan of companies paying ransomware. my view is in the long run are, number one, there's no guarantee that the criminal actor's actually going to adhere to the agreement you reach with them in paying them and, secondly, this is just encouraging more people to do it. but i also acknowledge you can't expect companies like, say,

colonial to deal with this eshoo all on their own. so i think the government's got to be prepared to step in and coordinate realtime with companies. eric: well, it's a new frontier and threat to companies, government and all of us as we have to face it. admiral mike rogers, thank you for your insight and thank you for your service to our nation. >> thank you very much. take care. eric: of course. arthel? arthel: okay, add mitt romney and eric, we're -- add miller, we're going to turn to the crisis at the southern border. law enforcement in texas trying to help with the surge of my grants coming into the u.s. as customs and border protection report a two-decade high in migrant encounters in april. alex hogan is live at the border in del rio, texas, with more. alex? >> reporter: hi, arthel. the del rio sector is the second most busy part of the southern border in terms of crossings, but because of the mexican marines we see on the other side of the water today, we've not

seen as many crossings as usual. still as you mentioned, there are a decade, two-decade high level of migrantses crossing, more than we've seen since the year 2000 just in last month alone, in april. along the border agencies were able to apprehend more than 178,000 people. still families and children arriving despite the increase of single adults really showing the toll of the humanitarian crisis. many of them saying they're fleeing poverty, seeking safety, showing, again, the toll that this is taking on this part of the country as local agencies are trying to keep up. >> this seems to get worse. the people who have been coming through here, they're probably coming through some other place because we're sitting on 50 yards of property here on the u.s. >> reporter: new footage of mexican marines colming through the brush -- combing through the brush this week, and so far today u.s. border agents right

here have taken a handful of people into custody in the rgv, about 75 people surrendered at once to agents. the group consisting of adults as well as families arriving together. migrant apprehensions spiked in 2019, yet comparatively in the first four months of the year cbp has apprehended about double the number of people so far. the sheriff says that he's seen delegation after delegation of politicians visit this part of the country hoping to see it for themselves, yet he's asking them for real action as they feel overwhelmed with the numbers here. arthel? arthel: alex are hogan on the border, thank you very much for that report, alex. and we'll be right back. try boost glucose control. the patented blend is clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. boost glucose control products contain high quality protein and key nutrients to support immune health. try boost.

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inmates eligible for early release. now prosecutors in 41 counties are challenging the new rules before they are sprung. let's go to christina coleman live in los angeles with more on this. christina? >> reporter: arthel, sacramento district attorney is leading the the effort to get it tossed out, one of 41d.a.s who filed the petition. she says it will lead to early release of violent criminals and more illegal activity. >> we're going to see more crimes, we're going to see crimes climb continuously. what we're seeing across california in many places is surging gun violence, surging homicide rates. you know, just last week in sacramento we had an individual sentenceed to ten years for killing a police officer in a pursuit, and we come to find out he got out in about three, and now he's back with a firearm and

a high capacity magazine back in jail. >> reporter: under california's voter-approved proposition 57, the state has wide authority to make sweeping changes to its prison sentencing structure. is on april 30th with very little public notice, it was announced that new emergency regulations will be in place which will award additional good credits to 76,000 inmates including violent offenders. the credits can be used to potentially shorten their sentences. schubert says it's wrong for the state to approve the new guidelines as emergency regulations. she says there was no emergency to warrant this and that by claiming this as an more than, the state was able to -- as an emergency, the state was able to bypass public comment on this controversial change. >> this is probably the most far-sweeping changes to sentencing structures in california history. and the question becomes why would you impose this on a friday afternoon without any public input? >> reporter: the department of

corrections released a statement saying in part, quote: proposition 57, which voters overwhelmingly approved in 2016, gave them the authority to submit regulations to provide additional opportunity for incarcerated people to receive good conduct credits as allowed by statute. the emergency regulations are a result of that voter mandate. the state is reviewing the petition now to determine what to do next, and schubert says if they don't throw out the new guidelines, the d.a.s will consider taking further action. arthel? arthel: christina coleman, thanks. eric? eric: well, kentucky derby winner medina spirit will go for the second jewel of horse racing's triple crown. but, you know, the colt's failed drug test after the derby, that's casting a long shadow over this big race. there's the track live. we'll go back there in a moment to hear the latest. ♪ ♪

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♪♪ eric: well, it's only a couple of hours until post time at the preakness stakes in maryland. you knowing all eyes are going to be on medina spirit, the kentucky derby winner that failed that drug test the other week.

lucas tomlinson live at pimlico in baltimore with what we can expect. >> reporter: hey, eric. normally we would have 100,000 spectators to enjoy the 146th running of the preakness stakes, today just 10,000. a far cry from churchill downs where you had 50,000 spectators. of course, the race marred in controversy after bob baffert's winning horse, medina spirit, failed that drug test. i spoke to a flynner about what this -- trainer about what this failed test means. >> bob is the face of the sport, and the kentucky derby is the one day that everybody watches horse racing, so sure it's a black eye on the sport. i never understand that theory that the good guys have to police the sport. >> reporter: universal drug testing standards, right now you have different rules for different states and, of course, these animals ship out to different tracks across the

country, so what's good for a horse in california where baffert is based -- who actually did not make the trip, reportedly, to pimlico here in baltimore, eric, he is back home in california. he's had five high profile drug investigations the past two years, about thirty in his career. medina spirit has passed three drug tests to enter into the preakness today. of course, that sample still waiting to see from the kentucky derby. people are very excited here behind me, very excited for the preakness. and if you're one of the lucky 10,000, eric, you're pretty excited to be here. eric: i can imagine that. we'll see what happens when that other test from the derby comes through. see what happens later on in the race today. lucas, thanks so much. arthel: all right, following up lucas' report there, hall of name horse trainer bob baffert could make some unwanted history

if medina spirit becomes only the second kentucky derby winner to be disqualified for a failed drug test. but this is not a first one of bob baffert's horses. this is the fifth time a horse he trained has failed a drug test recently, and the full list goes back even longer with the new york times reporting last fall that baffert has been cited in 29 such cases over the last four decades. let's bring in now 2019 preakness champion trainer mark cassie. so, mark, should medina spirit be allowed to compete today? >> i think so. you know, we still haven't gotten the second test back, and i absolutely, i think he should, will compete today. arthel: now, of course, the horse's trainer, we had bob baffert on "america's newsroom earlier this week, and i want to play what he had to say.

>> these horses don't live in a bubble. they're in an open farm, people are touching them. you went from the derby, after the derby everybody's up there touching -- i mean, there's so many ways these horses can get contaminated. and when they're testing at these ridiculously low levels, and i've been saying it for over a career now, this is going to get -- over a year now, this is going to get innocent people in trouble. arthel: what kind of conversations are you and fellow trainers having about all of this? >> well, you know, i do agree with bob in that it's kind of gotten crazy where the, you know, there's so much contamination that can happen. the battle that bob has, and bob's a friend of mine, is, you know, i think he's had five positives in the last year or two years, and that's, you know, that's something that, i think,

you know, that and the kentucky derby, it's tough to get over. and that's his battle ahead. but, you know, i do believe in the due process, and so i'm not ready to condemn him. arthel: okay. all right. again, medina spirit will run in the preakness about two hours from now. the thoroughbred could be disqualified relate9 proactively, after the fact, based on pending results from the kentucky derby drug test. finally, mark, i ask you, what does this kind of scandal do to elite horse racing? >> well, you know, it depends how you want to look at it. we, you know, as in any sport, there's things that need to be changed, that need to be made better and, hopefully -- arthel: like what in this case? >> i'm sorry? arthel: like what in this case? what should be changed? >> well, not so much just in this case. i think the problem is every state we go to there's different

rules, and we just had the integrity act go through congress. and i think that's important. we need, similar to baseball and football, we need one common rule -- arthel: okay. all right. >> so, you know, what we're dealing with and -- arthel: mark, i got your point i apologize, i'm up against a hard break. thank you. one rule of governing rule, is what you said. thank you very much. eric and i will be back tomorrow at noon eastern. "the big saturday show" is up next, thanks so much for watching the two of us. have a good evening.

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