moammar qaddafi's son. love talking to you, collin. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> thanks for watching "fox news prime time." if you want more monologues, check out the will cain podcast. i'll be back tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson is next. >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." for months now privately, we've been searching for a meaningful definition of the word "equity." we've talk to linguists, scoured the fourth corners of god's own internet to see what equity is. we've done this not for pleasure. we have hobbies but because we feel it's our duty as a news

program. equity is the organizing principle of the united states. on the day he was inaugurated, joe biden signed executive order 1395 that makes equity mandated across the federal government. strangely neither joe biden or anybody else in the administration has ever defined the word. so what is equity? tonight finally we know what it is. equity turns out is racism. it's as simple as that. equity is racism. to be clear, we don't mean racism in the since that ice cream and shakespeare and math are supposedly racist or that dr. suess is now considered a cyclops in the ku klux klan, we're not talking and the ilhan omar definition of racism. no. we mean racism in the literal sense, in the way that martin luther king defined the term, which is the act of hurting some people and helping others on

their race. bigotry, prejudice, hatred. that's what equity is. we know this thanks to lori lightfoot, mayor of chicago. she said equity and inclusion are the north stars of this administration, lightfoot explained. then she got specific "on the occasion of the two-year anniversary of my inauguration of this great city,ly provide exclusively one-on-one interviews with journalists of color. so in equity, she's refusing to grant interviews to lightfoot to white people. she said many people are talentand hard working but unfortunately as she said "white nonetheless." so there it is. plainly as anyone has ever said it out loud. white people are disqualified because they're white. not because of anything they done or said or think. lori lightfoot doesn't care

about that. she's not interested in what these white people might be like as individuals or people. she doesn't care what kind of white they are. ancestors could be from italy or finland or spain. they could be members of the british royal family. could be penniless immigrants on a box on a sidewalk on michigan avenue. rich or poor, doesn't matter to lori lightfoot. all that matters is they're white. all white people are the same. they're defined by the color of their skin. you can see how this makes life easier for lori lightfoot. she know whose to hate by looking at them. if some day the chicago police round up the entire population of the city, lori lightfoot would have no trouble pulling the right ones out of line for punishment. in case you're wondering, that was a nazi reference. it was deserved. lori lightfoot is a monster. any society that allows politicians to talk like this has an ugly future ahead.

very ugly. of course, nobody said anything about what she said in her manifesto. even chicago reporters, some of whom can no longer do their jobs because of how they were born around up tepid complaints. listen to this person from nbc. >> another reporter called and said, i'm hearing they're only talking to black or brown journalists. what? this doesn't sound real. so i reached out to the communications director. she texted me back and said yeah, that's true. she said no, white reporters have been in the room for the majority of the year. it's time to hear from other people. >> tucker: what? is this real? what you heard is confusion and not outridge. lori lightfoot is a dangerous bigot. lori lightfoot is hurting other people because of their race. that's the crime. it's the one thing that nobody

wants to say out loud. here's the response from a reporter at the chicago tribune. "i'm a latino reporter whose presence was requested today. she said we respectfully cancelled." politicians don't get to choose who cover them. talk about missing point completely. of course politicians can choose who they talk to. all of us have that right, thank god. what politicians cannot do under any circumstance is attack an entire group of citizens on the basis of their skin color. that is racism. it is immoral, it is illegal under countless state and federal laws. we're not supposed to allow behavior like that from our government. we're all equal in the eyes of the law. we're all citizens. we've got an entire granite monument on the national mall in washington promises that we won't behave that way again. we will never allow it.

because we've embraced equity, we're not allowing it, we're encouraging it. meanwhile, how is chicago? the city of chicago is crumbling under lori lightfoot. murders jumped to 50%. hundreds more dead, many young people, children, most of them black. is that social justice? no, it's not. it's no one's definition of social justice. lori lightfoot doesn't want to talk about it. there's 50 members of the city council in chicago. they're called aldermen. one has pressed lori lightfoot to explain what she's doing to the city. raymond lopez is a democrat. he represents the 15th word, which is overwhelmingly nonwhite. raymond lopez cares about his constituents so in january he raised an obvious point with the mayor. maybe crime is shooting up in chicago because chicago is a sanctuary city, not enforcing federal law. how did lori lightfoot respond to this?

she's called him a racist. >> being an immigrant or refugee is not a crime. alderman lopez and napolitano, shane on you. spirited debate at the heart of our democracy is not the same as using racist tropes and xenophobic rhetoric to promote yourself on the backs of others and demonize them. >> tucker: calling for an elected official to follow federal law is a racist trope, according to lori lightfoot whose city is falling apart. we're proud to have alderman lopez join us from chicago. thanks so much for coming on. so i sense a theme here. when asked -- you've been in this position a number of times. when asked simple questions about governance, why are you doing this, here's the consequences, she whips around and makes it a racial issue and

dodges the question. am i imagining this pattern? >> you're not hallucinating, tucker. the race card has been pulled out more times than i care to remember to try to deflect from her efficiencies as being mayor of the city of chicago. as you played in that clip, she herself said that nobody should use racist tropes as a public official. yet here she is doing that today. creating a controversy to try to stir up racial fears in our city targeting the media is now the enemy of what is wrong with the social ills in our city. >> tucker: it goes without saying, this is such a familiar game. if it's any other group, is it ever acceptable for an elected official supposed to represent all people that are equal in the eyes of the law to say i am hurting people, preventing them from doing their jobs because of their skin color. like what the hell is this?

why isn't anybody saying anything about this? >> the hard part is when this came out yesterday. many thought it was a joke. like a bad onion headline. the pay i don't remember will only talk to people of color. whatever her point was in trying to highlight the need for diversity and media, maybe honorable, but it got totally lost in her messaging, the way she was handling this, showing a clear disconnect between thought and action. that has been the highlight of her two eyes. i think it's very telling that if she's discussing two years in office, the ability to think and act has eluded her as the controversy that she herself created yesterday. >> tucker: so how is chicago doing under lori lightfoot? the question of competence might be the most important question. is chicago improving? >> no, i think, tucker, to put it bluntly, she's very

incompetent and it shows. she failed this city the last two years. granted she's had to deal with a pandemic but we've all been in this together. all trying to work together. she's failed it every turn, to bring people in and to unite people. her abrasive style has been seen not only with the media, not only with members of the city council or even her own department but now she's trying to pit communities and people of the city against each other. with these kind of discussions and these kind of tweets. more importantly, she's spent an entire day trying to defend, articulate and define what she meant yesterday. meanwhile, just on my way to the studio, i had two shootings in my ward in the last hour. shootings continue in every neighborhood on michigan avenue. yesterday someone was shot. another carjacking. none of that is a part of the discussion except for the racist whiteness of chicago media. >> tucker: you talk to her a lot. you're one of 50 aldermen.

she's the mayor. you're on city council. does she seem aware of the fact that for most people of all colors, the threat of getting shot may be kind of the defining fact of their lives? does she seem worried about that, working to fix it? >> sadly i think the disconnect with what her reality is, guarded at her home versus the other reality in the neighborhoods of chicago is not one in the same. recently we saw with her e-mails, she's clearly not aware of what is going on in the community and what appears to be her reality with the truth. she questions motive and what the angle is, she questions why she's being told these things that she's never heard before. it comes off in the way she does her policies because nothing she produces or suggested has any impact in improving the quality of life that we have in our city. >> tucker: yeah, i noticed. the clip that we played where

she talks to you and another alderman and says you're racist. i don't know if you have any white people in your ward. you have a lot of immigrants. >> i have a lot of white ethnics from europe, high polish and lithuanian. all of us understand that you can't have people coming into this country that do not love this country and are only here making more problems. >> tucker: can't have people come here that don't love the country. that is -- putting that on my fridge. raymond lopez, the hope of chicago. thanks very much. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: it's sad for people that love the city of chicago. people should. it's an american city. a great place in a lot of ways. we talked about the murder rate. we talked very little about the physical fit. chicago is infested with rats.

one chicago animal shelter is releasing feral cats to get the rats under control. >> orkin has named chicago the rattyest city in america. they have the cats at work program, feral cats that prefer to be socially distance. >> they won't thrive in a home environment. >> the cost ranges from $600 to $800. >> tucker: so the shelter is for a fee placing two to three cats outside of businesses and residences that call for help with rats. seems inspired. does it work? we wanted to talk to someone that would know the answer. jordan reed is a rat wrangler. he said dogs would be more effective. mr. reid, thanks for coming on. before you get to your

preference, dogs over cats, ferets, describe about the rat problem. >> i don't know much about it. i'm on the west coast. i get a lot of calls inviting me to come out. >> tucker: that's the point. you're 1,000 miles away. the city of chicago -- that's how desperate they are by the norway rat problem. when you hear of people releasing feral cats to keep rats under control, you chuckle to yourself, don't you? the ignorance. >> a little bit. feral cats are well-known for the problems that they cause the native species. they're not known for catching rats. >> tucker: yeah, by the way, anybody deeply familiar with feral cats would know that. what would you recommend? >> well, i like to promote the use of dogs. i'm well-known for my workout here in california and oregon. the use of terriers as well as

dealing with the management problems that is creating the rats. >> tucker: terriers as they were called in great are britain so long ago, ratting dogs. how many rats can a well-trained ratting dog, a terrier, take out in the course of an evening would you say? >> i often take my dogs out three or four hours but to farm locations. i've caught in excess of several hundred with three or four years adult dots. >> tucker: do you let your dog eat them? >> no, sir. just in case of poisoning. training to drop is one of the first commands that they learn. >> tucker: so like a bird dog. you don't eat the quail. you drop it at the feet of you remember master. >> i just go around and collect them after they're dead. >> tucker: what do you do with them? >> we give them to falconers or compost them. >> tucker: nothing is wasted. use the whole rat.

i like that. last question. what do your dogs think of it? how proud are they after killing 200 rats in a night? >> i would answer that question by saying the reason i have chosen this as my fun activity is because i'm embracing the true nature of the dogs. it's my belief that this is in the nature of the animal. because i like terriers, i have to give them an activity. >> tucker: i love that. i love dogs, too. thanks for coming on tonight. hope you come back. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: so chicago, great city though it is, has a lot of problems. not just rats and a racist lunatic mayor. we traveled to the city for a deeper look into the crisis there. we got many hours, hundreds of hours of never before seen surveillance footage from the city. some is too shocking to air. what we did assemble on "tucker carlson original's."

here's a clip. >> of the looters that faced prosecution, they had a pretile release. >> very demoralizing for our residents to be told call 911 when you so i crime happening. only to see the same criminal be arrested and released within 24 hours. >> tucker: that's a documentary series on fox nation. there's more. we spoke to kirstie alley at great length. the interview came out this afternoon. >> if you can't be happy without drugs, if you can't -- then it starts making you crazy. i felt the glimpse of what real insanity was. not what me being crazy kirstie at a party. i wasn't playing.

i couldn't control feeling kind of insane. >> tucker: kirstie alley turns out to be a really interesting smart person and very fun to talk to. apparently former president trump was watching and put out a statement about it. we'll show you an extended preview of our conversation just ahead. the cdc's director was out with a stunning admission about where the coronavirus came from. in the end, the truth emerges. we'll tell you what she said next.

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>> tucker: well, the director of the cdc made a remarkable admission about where the coronavirus likely came from. trace gallagher has that story for us tonight. hi, trace. >> this back and forth with louisiana senator john kennedy and the cdc director is enlightening because it illustrates a significant shift. dr. fauci said they have to see if it originated from a lab in wuhan. last year he knocked down that theory. today rochelle walensky was asked her thoughts on the origin of the virus.

watch. >> one of the possibilities? >> one of the possibilities that most coronaviruses that we know of are origin that have infected the population generally come from an animal origin. >> are there any other possibilities? >> certainly a lab-based origin is one possibility. >> lab-based origin. liberal media maligned that theory as baseless and political mostly because former president trump and robert redfield all said the evidence was compelling and should be investigated. even the director general of the who went against his own team and said china needs to provide answers. breaking today, republicans on the how intel committee say there's significant circumstantial evidence that the virus came from a lab in wuhan, including that in the fall of 2019 several lab workers got sick with covid-like symptoms.

bottom line here, tucker, the wuhan lab theory is gaving steam and supporters. >> tucker: amazing but not surprising. thanks, trace. more than a year they lead about it. they lead. they attacked us for saying it. they're not the only ones. andrew cuomo lied about nursing home deaths in the state of new york. media organizations didn't cover that story. instead, they said that ron desantis was manipulating data. they had evidence to prove it, a whistle-blower that worked at the florida department of health. rebecca jones claims she was instructed to delete data on covid deaths. over at cnn, andrew cuomo's brother treated her like a living oracle. >> i want to bring in former data scientist for the florida

department of health, co-founded the covid monitor. why do we keep closing down schools when the rate is so much lower than it is in the rest of the communities, like new york city, they just hit the 3% mark. the schools are .17. why shut down our schools? you're saying i have the facts wrong. >> part of the reason for shutting down a school system is to prevent the case rate from getting higher. if you allow it to become high, then you've acted too late. >> tucker: she's a data scientist says andrew cuomo's brother. at msnbc, rebecca jones is more like a religious figure. >> and rebecca jones, the line is shining on you. don't be scared. the whole country is watching you and your family and what they do to you. >> tucker: so anyone that pushed back on any of this, of course, that i were sexist for questioning rebecca jones. >> yeah, unfortunately i

personally experienced a lot of misogyny in the last seven months. governor desantis actually used the term "she's got issues" referring to me. so there's an absolutely coronated effort to dismiss women in any instance that they speak out to make them seem irrational or overly emotional. >> tucker: it was an effort to dismiss women. one long and fascinating new magazine piece takes rebecca jones very seriously. doesn't dismiss her at all. but concludes that she's a total fraud. the piece says rebecca jones didn't have the authority to delete records of covid deaths in the florida system. she also changed her story. charles cook wrote this piece

from the national review. he jones us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> unfortunately in the space of a tv segment, we don't have time for you to unfurl this amazing story. give us the highlights who rebecca jones is. >> the key thing here is that the central claim is false. this is not a political question. it's not a question of republicans and democrats. it's not a question of whether you like ron desantis or florida or you think he got it right. rebecca jones made a clear claim, and objective claim, a claim that can be falsified. she was told by dr. robinson, the deputy secretary of health in florida a chronic disease epidemiologist to fudge the numbers, to edit the raw data. if that were true that would be an enormous scandal. but it's not. first, it didn't happen. there's no evidence that it happened. suppose for the same of argument it had. rebecca jones was not in a permission -- position to do

what show said she was asked to do. she didn't have the permission. she's not an epidemiologist. she's not a scientist. she's not a politician. she was a dashboard manager. her job was to manage the public facing dashboard with the numbers on it. she got copies of the data in excel format. she could not write the database, which is what florida uses. she could not have done that. the story is false. >> tucker: she also had an amazing back story that has to be read to be enjoyed. i hope our viewers will read it. made my afternoon one day. but what is amazing is you verified this. you put work into this piece. you'd think that andrew cuomo's brother could have called over there and said hey, did this lady have the ability to do what she said? nobody did that as far as i can tell. >> another key point. the documents that i used and they're all referenced throughout the piece, all linked on the online version of the

piece are public information, all of them. the criminal records, the labor file is public information. these have all been in the public domain for months. maybe longer. anyone could have looked them up and read them. when you read them, what you find is that this is somebody that is indulged by the florida department of health. not targeted, indulged. when she was hired, they knew that she had pretrial intervention program in louisiana that wiped away four misdemeanors, including assaulting a police officer. they had a prosecution in florida. after her behavior got worse and worse within the department, they kept her around. they took her off the dashboard but reallocated her. didn't fire her. when things got untenable they fired her. as a thanks for that, she lied about them in public and illegally accessed the computer information and downloaded the information information of 19,000 state employees.

so yeah, this is somebody that has a history. >> tucker: she's an ambitious young lady. has she been signed to a cnn contributor contract? >> i don't know. she has two trials coming up. both in the state of florida. we'll see how they go first. >> tucker: all right. we'll wait to see her on don lemon's show. mr. cook, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: kirstie alley has been around a long time. she's interesting, inspiring. more straight ahead.

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them. they don't have a lot to say if they don't have a script. kirstie alley is not that person at all. when she has no script in front of her, she has a lot to say. more than we imagined. it was an amazing conversation. went on for an hour on tucker carlson. here's part of it. >> four years ago, i was on a sad and -- i spoke up. i didn't know it was a big deal. i vote for trump. producers said i am, too. if anybody hears me say that, i will never work again. i was like what? it was ignorance. >> tucker: did you take it seriously when they said that? >> that they would be fired? i knew they would be. >> tucker: wow. >> when they first said it, i thought right. who cares? >> tucker: right. >> in the last four years, i've seen who cares? people thought you were so

brave. i said i thought i'm stupid. it is a real situation. it's a real -- it's a real blackballing situation and it's so strange to me. artists are free thinkers for the most part. >> tucker: yes. >> they all think differently. my whole career, when i did cheers, everybody was different. they had different political views, different -- that's what made everybody interesting. so this whole thing is just psycho to me. i don't -- >> tucker: so it wasn't that way. people were liberal or gave to the democratic party but there was a freedom of thought and expression that allows artists to create. >> like on "cheers." one of the cast members that was going to vote republican. i remember us going like you're crazy. of course he is. but it was like who cares? >> tucker: did you try to kick them off the show? >> no, we didn't try to get them fired. we weren't any of those kinds of things. most of my career, guys doing blow and guys doing rehab and

they're not kicked off. women tend to get kicked off more if they're thing drugs and with prostitutes. you know, men get 12 chances. that's the only thing i can say about show business. women may get one chance and men get 12 or 15. >> tucker: it's an interesting point. i'll tolerant of certain people's deviation from the norms drug problems or sleeping with the wrong people. >> no, you can be cooking meth and sleeping with hookers. apparently if you didn't vote for trump. so it's -- i feel like anymore the twilight zone with the whole concept of it. because i -- you know, an example is on twitter. i had many celebrities follow me. now i think like three follow me. >> tucker: they took you off the list? they unfollowed you? >> yeah. i'm the same person.

i'm the girl that voted for obama twice. >> tucker: right. >> you liked me when i voted for obama and now you're this? may me have to rethink weirdly my whole friendships. i just started watching certain things in the world. like i wanted -- simple things. i'm not a rocket scientist. i was like i want people to have jobs. i want people to have, you know -- i like gas to cost less money. i like people to have good schools and just really common sense kind of things. so when i was listening to trump say what he was going to do, i thought well, you're saying you're going to do it what i think we should do. he's not like mr. drug drugs, you know what i mean? he's not mr. pharmaceutical. and i have my own views on what is going on in our country.

how many artists we've lost to fentanyl and other drugs and [bleep] sitting in front of our faces. so i felt like i like to give this guy a chance. >> tucker: so his firmness on drugs, drugs kill people, obviously hurting the country. he said that out loud. >> he said that -- like why is everybody doing drugs now? why is everybody on pharmaceuticals? >> tucker: such a great question. >> why are we all suddenly mentally ill? we aren't. if we -- it's not that i don't agree that everything -- he may say this or he may not. i don't know. i don't want words in his mouth. but it's not like depression doesn't exist. it's not like postpartum doesn't exist. it's not like anxiety doesn't exist. it's what do you do about it. >> tucker: that's right. >> so in my universe, it's what do you do about it. my -- i said something on twitter other day. stop drugging everybody. oh, are you a doctor?

do i have to be -- i want to cuss right now. >> tucker: go ahead! >> do i have to be a effing doctor to not want to take a million pharmaceuticals? how about if i'm depressed and i find out why? do i have to have a disease? >> tucker: find out why? >> yeah. if i'm anxious, why? it's like when i did coke, i was anxious all the time. duh! i was drugging myself to death. >> tucker: as are many. apparently former president trump watched the entire hour. we think it worth it. hope you do. it's as simple as going to foxnation.com. we learned this week on sunday that ufos have entered airspace restricted by the u.s. military every day for years. so there's a big story here. we're going to speak to the man who made all of this information possible. really the person who had driven

transparency of ufos more than any other person. lou joins us next.

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>> tucker: he's ready to tell us, but that was former president obama conceding that the ufo thing is real. we can't explain what they are. that is the consensus all of a sudden. "60 minutes" did a piece on it sunday night. that is after mocking people that suggested it was happening. more than any other person, lou elinzando, from the pentagon. ever since he's been pushing for

transparency on this issue. thanks for coming on, lou. so we're getting this much anticipated report, june. the law requires the pentagon to fess up and say what they know. what are we going to learn next month? >> what we should learn is exactly that. what the u.s. government knows about this topic and has known for a while. it's a threat assessment that is supposed to be conducted at the unclassified level and provided to congress, which is a report that is expected to be comprehensive. certainly that is a report that congress deserves. unfortunately what we might get is something that is more watered down. i think from my perspective, that is probably the most concerning part of this. the last thing that we need is more obfuscating. >> tucker: that's for sure. it's infuriating that after all the lies. why all the lying at this point?

>> yeah, first of all, why the lying? probably because the certain elements in the pentagon have backed themselves in a corner. they spent a long time and amount of energy trying to obfuscate themselves. they don't know how to get out of it. the more we shine on this topic, the more people will realize there's something there. with the announcement of the new i.g. evaluation into this topic and the last three years of pentagon obvuscation, that type of resistance at this point is futile. >> you worked for the u.s. government for decades. when we learned sunday night that maybe pilots had these this

objects, the obvious responses, didn't that raise alarms? wouldn't that scare the hell out of the pentagon, that their airspace was being violated? >> you're absolutely right. >> tucker: were they afraid? what is the posture here? >> yeah, i saw the reports. there were times when you'd like at a monthly report and there were 25, 26 incidents occurring in a 30-daytime period. the question is, what the hell is wrong with you? how can you not realize this is an issue? let's take away a moment the source of what this possibly could be. let's just pretend it's russian or chinese. either way, it's not a good scenario. someone with some sort of technology that we don't have is coming to u.s. airspace on a regular and routine basis and nobody wants to do a darn thing about it. >> tucker: so one of the reasons -- you're the reason we're having this conversation. you more than anybody pushed

hard to bring this stuff to the public, to bring it to light. if this report that we get next month is watered down, redacted to the point of pointlessness, do you think that whistle-blowers internally will continue to leak the truth to the public? >> tucker, i do. and also, let me just say for the record, i appreciate the compliment wards me as being part of this. i also have to give a lot of credit to folks like you and people in the media that were brave enough to cover the topic when nobody else in your industry wanted to cover it. turns out that you were right. first of all, thank you for doing what you do. secondly, yeah -- yeah, i do. there's more and more people that will come out. we saw alex detrecht comes out. there's a lot at risk here. for the brave morns coming out and having this conversation, there's dozens more in the

shadows waiting to tell their story. >> tucker: we keep hearing whispers that there is physical evidence of the existence of these objects that might tell us what they are. do you believe that is true? >> i do believe it's true. i think we should be looking at this and more transparent with the american people. the last thing we need to do is lie to the american people. i'll tell you one thing, tucker, from my perspective, that type of position where you continue to lie to the american people and obfuscate is why people like me decide one day to run for congress. i can tell you, the last thing dod wants right now is someone like me in congress. but that's what happens when you're not honest and open and fair with people. you know, you get what you pay for. >> tucker: amen. i agree completely. is there debris from any of these vehicles, whatever they are? >> tucker, you know, the united

states government is in possession of exotic material. more analysis needs to be done. there's enough uniqueness about it that it demands additional analysis and expertise. there's pockets in the u.s. government that are willing to have the conversation and conduct the analysis. i'm not going to say what the elements are. i'm worried for the same type of reprisal that i'm facing currently. but there's pockets of people that are willing to do the right thing. fortunately these individuals are patriotic and willing to do the job. >> tucker: amen. it's also crazy and amazing. thanks, lou. see you again. >> tucker, as always. my pleasure. thank you. >> tucker: thanks. the night is young. the show continues. we'll be right back.

>> tucker: and here's sean! >> sean: what an introduction. thanks, tucker. welcome to "hannity." it's have a special message. you don't want to miss it. former president barack obama. that's straight ahead. after more than 100 days in office, one overreaching theme is dominating now sippy cup joe's administration. that theme is complete weakness. weakness abroad, weakness at home. a weak commander-in-chief that