♪ ♪ ♪ >> the liberal media doing a 180 on the origins of covid as there are no longer dismissing the idea, it may have leaked from a chinese lab. this after more than a year of ridiculing that theory as well as former president trump and conservative outlets. this is "outnumbered." i am kayleigh mcenany, "new york post" columnist and fox news contributor miranda devine, and the virtual seed, town how.com political editor, fox news contributor and radio host, guy benson.

welcome. critics are slamming the mainstream media for amnesia on the lab and these headlines illustrate the striking difference between the way they first reported the story and what they're saying now. the journalist not the only one, here's dr. anthony found she then and now. >> if you look at the genomic sequence of the viruses that are in bats in the wild it's strikingly similar to the sequences that you have found noun people who have been infected with the original virus. >> are you confident it develop naturally? >> no, i'm not convinced. i think we should continue to investigate what went on in china until we find out to the best of our ability what happened. >> kayleigh: another 180 from dr. fauci and the media.

i want to start with you and a sound bite to what president trump and myself were saying a year ago today. >> have you seen anything at that point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the wu virus was there? >> yes, i have. and i think the world health organization should be ashamed of themselves. >> he said yesterday he has a high degree of confidence the coronavirus originated in a lab in wuhan, china, and get his own intelligence agencies say they're investigating. does the president have information and has drawn the conclusion? >> assessments indicate that the statement is consistent with what some analysts believe is the place the virus began. >> kayleigh: here is what the media was saying.

"usa today," "whether covid spread after china tests cites no evidence." they said this was a debunked theory. "the washington post," fact-checker said, wasn't released from the lab? doubtful. now it appears they should be rewriting some of the headlines. >> and they also dragged senator tom cotton who floated this possibility. some of this does go to reflexive tribalism when it comes to ideology with the media and the elite establishment. they couldn't just say, it's possible, that's plausible, let's learn more. they have to say this is debunked. and now they look foolish because yes, there's new new evidence that's mounting, but it was always viable. senator cotton had a good twitter thread yesterday, my

concern now is okay, let's say it turns out that this did leak from a lab. we agreed this is the truth, how it happened, what a catastrophe this is, how are we going to achieve that accountability that the w.h.o. did a whitewash, a failure of investigation with china walking them around by the hand, how are we going to get those answers if the chinese communist party refuses to play ball, which of course they're not going to. this would be an enormous embarrassment to them and a huge black eye on the stage. >> you hit a key point there. they're leaning hard on that investigation and i think wrongheaded lease so. miranda, this reminds me of the russia bounty story where we were told that there were bounties on the heads of soldiers in afghanistan and we found out, no, there was low to

moderate, but the media has still in a steady drumbeat accuse the president i'm not taking action, but here you have the media carrying water for china. i've got to believe it has something to do with the reflexive hatred of anything president donald trump. >> absolutely. it's all about hatred of donald trump and it's about this cheerleader form of journalism where they anointed people and certain authorities as, they could say no wrong, there him to see aunt and that was dr. fauci primarily, the world health organization. governor cuomo one and me. people were listening in their laundry rooms swooning over him. how many magazine covers has he been on? and they sanctified the wrong people. the problem is when you have the cheerleaders in the media

deciding that everything that comes out of anthony fauci's mouth is correct and everything that comes out of president president trump's mouth is wrong, they don't judge it logically. they don't do their own reporting. they put a real chill on free speech by doing that because they then make other scientists and other inquiring minds decide to not look into the origins. it was obvious from the beginning as you and the president said, and pointed to the most plausible theory, the lab leak. no one was saying it was definite, but there was so much circumstantial evidence, they allowed us to see. and they were journalists who ignored, who wrote about it and spoke about this.

he worried that now we are a year on and suddenly the media we are denying the truth back then is accepting reality, but we've lost the valuable time. it's like a murder and the corpses dead. the crime scene is finished. they cause great harm to this country and when you talk about social media censoring anybody who raises questions, it's chilling. >> kayleigh: to the point about a public health authorities, dr. fauci didn't just do it about-face on the origins of covid, he did about-face on mask wearing and a symptomatic spread, a flip-flop, that's a lot of about-face and flip-flop. >> harris: he only has one face, but you wouldn't know. i want to go something that miranda just said, you wonder why were not focused on the victims and survivors and

you get slapped down if you asked too many questions about the lab. i remember. i was getting those stickers slept on my twitter feed and why is that? we made celebrities out of the wrong people. we put the wrong people on the covers of those magazines. we knew there were scientists who had been sick at that lab before the outbreak. we do know the details. we didn't know, we didn't have the details, but i would have rather seen their faces on the cover of "time" magazine then these people who couldn't figure out whether we ought to wear masks! then it turns out, you want to wear them, but they were keeping them to the medical professionals. put them on every single cover for the rest of time as well, those medical professionals. we had so many people we could have made celebrities, what about the first responders and essential workers. we made celebrities out of the wrong people. i want to make it a bumper sticker.

so spot on. >> kayleigh: it's my view they should have gotten it. emily, will the biden administration be held accountable by the media on this, i somehow think they won't be. >> emily: we are certainly not seeing pushback whatsoever on the media, so as you pointed out earlier with guy detailing the problems of the w.h.o. investigation, jen saki continues to rely on them to conduct that investigation. when we see already they've misled the american public in the world on the origins, they've all but ignored the alarms sounded by the united states embassy delegation that toured the lab before the outbreak. they ignored -- i have to say this because it's a larger point, there is real global concern about the conflict of interest. we know chinese contributions

are 56% with an additional $30 million infusion in 2020. how can anyone expect there to be a transparency when we know the chinese continue to play ball with the w.h.o.? let alone the american people. i don't know why we are not calling for u.s. investigation when we know there are 17 concurrent investigations for each issue. as well, this final, this recent report about the scientists that were hospitalized with covid-19 symptoms or seasonal flu symptoms, they were based on the u.s. intelligence report and yet she says it wasn't and it goes beyond a fact sheet initially. we have detailed allegations. a final point, the w.h.o. and the decision-making body is entering the next phase of their investigation. watch to see if they talk about

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[gunshots] >> he still has the gun! >> emily: baltimore police running into gunfire as they say man shot and killed three of his neighbors and set his home on fire. police ultimately shot and killed the 56-year-old suspect after multiple warnings. a or a body cam shows the risk, even if some democratic lawmakers pushed to defund the police or demand reforms that could strip law enforcement or protection. take a look. >> shots fired! subject down. >> shots fired. subject down. >> one subject is down.

past me. past me! [sirens] [gunshots] >> he still has the gun! he still has the gun! [gunshots] >> get down!

>> push forward. show me your hands! grabbed his hands and pull him out! speed to push forward they say as they head into gunfire and a huge fire, frightening to watch. your thoughts? >> guy: i mean, i would offer this to viewers, think about what you just saw and what you just heard and think about what you do every morning when you wake up for work. do you ever consider that as something that will be a part of your job? the majority of americans are in favor of criminal justice reform, police reform, that's appropriate and i'm on board. where you lose many of us and we see this on the hard left, the broad demonization and

scapegoating. that is repulsive to most americans because we recognize there are very dangerous people, someone has to protect us from those people and it's an extremely dangerous job and you have no idea what call will come in on the radio. and there is a debt of gratitude we all owe collectively to law enforcement, which does not mean we shouldn't have reforms and there shouldn't be accountability. that's not true. will we just witnessed as a reminder of what law enforcement faces or at least may face on a day in and day out basis and why so many of us are so grateful. >> emily: he brings up the reform and a bill that on the hill there is currently a war over. the g.o.p. is rightly concerned with several positions, and there is talk about common sense

reform. senator tim scott proposes exactly that with his bill. less than three weeks after george floyd's death. >> kayleigh: he put forward a great act of justice act and he came out with it and president trump's administration say, we wholeheartedly support this. what do democrats do? they voted to project to the bill. they were not serious about common sense reform. it would make cops jobs more dangerous. they've a great piece outlining how it will do that. one way is eliminating no-knock warrants. imagine going to a door and doing a drug bust knowing there is a nefarious actor behind that door and knocking and giving him a chance to get lined up, perhaps act aggressively. the democratic bill gets rid of that. whereas tim scott's bill says, we should use these rare

circumstances, let's have local police officers report so we can take a look at how they're utilized, but let's not ban them out right and make it more dangerous. common sense reform versus overreaching extremism. >> that's exactly right and there's so much talk about qualified immunity with section 1983. i would like to play the white house's reaction for spikes in crime. watch. >> 4,000 more people shot and killed by guns compared to the year before. is there a crime problem? >> i would say there is a gun problem. local violence and community violence is an issue and that's one of the reasons we propose and are implementing funding for community violence programs across the country.

>> emily: maratha children were getting far community violence" does that like less of the officer who is pulling the trigger, the liberal seems to care? >> miranda: yes and there's the problem that in all these cities, crime has spiraled. it's the defunding the police, it's demonizing, condoning these anti-police activities that have been going on for more than a year before the george floyd protests. i feel that you heard they think cities just redefined the problem and then they fixed it. crime is now community violence. if you get mugged, doesn't hurt as much because it was a community mugging. the same way they redefine the problem at the border.

you're not allowed to say "illegal alien" you have to say "poor migrant" that kind of softens the blow and stop the outrage in the community, but there is another problem here which is that the public, a lot of people don't have common sense, tim scott just said he's trying to implement these common sense reforms, but there seems to be a whole generation that's grown up with their head and the screen. people spend their entire life looking at screens and are not out in the real world exposed to physics. they don't understand the way physics works. if someone's coming at you with a knife, if a split second to neutralize with a gun. they don't allow that police should shoot people in the knee or karate chop them out of having a knife. it's impracticable. >> emily: harris, those were

such great points, the shaping of the narrative means that supposed to hurt less and those often living in an alternate reality don't see the reality of what's on the street that we were continue reporting on. >> harris: we've all kind of ban in this virtual reality for over a year. so to miranda's point, after you get back out in the real world and it becomes 3d again and can even feel like it's 4d in some ways, thanks come at you and there is reality. maybe some of these mayors were sequestered, i don't know. but when you talk with them, he says, were not defunding, we will move the money around. you just admitted the murder rate is higher! how are you moving money around? he had a bold idea and it's about to come aloft.

what if you defunded the cities? and you kept them from their defunded the cop policies. what if you stop to that? could we be at a point to make things better. we are about to find out in austin, texas, and what that governor can do that others will say, this is in working in the cities we are seeing at phelan. let's see what austin, texas, let's see what happens. >> emily: absolutely. up next, controversial comments, but mark ruffalo and gina receive different treatment. ♪ ♪

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gave mark ruffalo a pass over his anti-israel post. he place hulk, he did apologize by tweeting "i have reflected and wanted to apologize that suggested israel is committing. it's not accurate, it's inflammatory, disrespectful and it's used to justify anti-semitism. now is the time to avoid hyperbole." no, before was the time to avoid hyperbole. conservative actress gina carano got very different treatment from disney. same company. he remember the men delorean star was fired after she shared a social foe's caring for peopl. why the difference. >> it isn't, except that mark

ruffalo has highly hollywood opinion so he gets a free pass. i'm not sure they see how hypocritical their being. it's a pity. it's terrible for mark ruffalo. it's terrible for the movie industry because once you know he holds repellent views, even if he's apologized, you don't have the same respect for him or his movies and you can see that in the way people have switched off, it becomes so woke it's unwatchable. if these celebrities, they're supposed to be blank slates, especially actors. if they start inserting themselves into politics, they should keep it to themselves. they are destroying their industry and careers.

>> harris: you know how we know the public is in seeing it falsely, look at the ratings of the sandbox tv shows. where they all get together and share tonka trucks about how great they are, the award shows i'm talking about. >> these self celebrations. those are always enjoyable for fewer and fewer americans. mark ruffalo finally got around to realizing that perhaps it was not the smartest thing to accuse israel of. not the time for hyperbole. maybe you should think that through before you hit send. we've all said stupid tweets. i was interested because i prefer him to backtrack on that slander then double down. i looked at the tweet in the replies, he's getting hammered by a lot of his left-wing followers for anti-very angry that he's reversing course and g

the law he put there in the universe. it's a toxic stew and celebrities wading into that's due with half-baked b.s. doesn't help anything. >> harris: it's like it has its own performative value. he is going to perform like what he thinks the far left to adore her so many in hollywood would like to see. maybe this is truly an acting job. >> emily: i love that you brought that up because that's our criticism, as performative activism. he doesn't actually mean it, at least i hope he doesn't mean it. we talk about the ramifications. i know the retweets and likes of his initial slamming it, that gets far more of a reception that has apology. and then he tweets out something where he says anti-semitism has no place. he says "how difficult it is for

people to speak out against it, how easily it comes to so many." as a a part of that. that has fostered and accelerated this climate of anti-semitism, both verbally and in the attack that we see, it's skyrocketing day by day. he's one of those responsible. >> kayleigh: gerard baker summed it up. he goes through what a scary moment this is when you have people who are allowed to make comments, the president and vice president who wait days to condemn this, people talking about apartheid, anti-semitic tropes. what a scary time when you have people and politics making anti-semitism woke. it's a scary moment. >> harris: it affects all of us, no matter what we look like, how we pray, how we love. if it's hated state and right

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enforceable, but they say something needs to be done. >> big tech has amassed a massive amount of power. they're using their power to enforce orthodoxy and suppress speech and candidates they disagree with. we are making tech be transparent on algorithms and terms of service and the criteria they use because they don't apply fairly. >> kayleigh: miranda devine, this goes after big tech for targeting journalistic enterprises. i recall you being a member. >> that's right, "the new york post" story on hunter biden's laptop was censored, locked down, prevented to be two readers. twitter lockdown arc out that

didn't allow the public to get the story about the man who was running for president, joe biden. this case, he has personal history that he had this really magnificent -- i will recommend to anyone if you can find it, a health summit with some of the great aspects on the pandemic, virus, efficacy of masks, keeping children away from school. it was a science-based conversation. because it went against some of the fashionable ideas that anthony fauci and the like have been spreading, it was censored and taken down. that's a public health menace! that soviet style censorship. i'm not sure if ron desantis will be near enough. these companies are too big, they need to be broken up.

they have too much power. they exert power over communication. that's very dangerous. they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and just on the wrong side of history. >> individuals from harvard and oxford, but their opinions were censored. emily, what about the legality of this? do you think it will stand in the section to give immunity to social media platforms? >> emily: unfortunately, no. they articulate the principle that federal law always trumps state law and there is frankly a sound argument about the first amendment as long as these companies enjoy private entity designations. one of them said, we are passing something that we have a strong feeling will be unconstitutional. the board and will be shouldered

by the taxpayers. on the other side, 20 g.o.p. governors have introduced similar legislation and i think it's reflective of the american people sentiment and also reflective of the messaging that needs to come across. until either congress gets a backbone or until the social media companies start getting more transparency, this is a step in the right direction of saying we don't want to stand for this. someone needs to step in and make real changes. >> kayleigh: i was banned from instagram for posting elizabeth warren's bar card even though "the washington post" published it. they issued a public apology to me. i was banned for sharing the story. we know jack dorsey came out and said that shouldn't have happened. they think were at a point where apologies aren't enough. >> many americans would say so and that's part of the drive. this is smart politics certainly

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terrel and detroit police chief on whether activists are missing the big picture on policing. police in l.a. are looking help to find a road rage or who killed a beautiful 6-year-old boy. we will hear from the california highway patrol. john roberts will join gillian turner and me at the top of the hour for "america's newsroom." >> harris: breaking news from minneapolis, brand-new video of the shots that were fired at george floyd square. they were caught in the middle of gunfire, hundreds had gathered to commemorate one year since his death. look at this. >> some gunshots. it sounds like gunshots. they seem to be gunshots. >> we are okay. we are okay.

>> harris: last hour our reporter was telling us, he had to take cover, he told us he believes it was the result of an argument. there is no confirmation of what was going on from police. neighbors told our crew it's not uncommon for that to happen. he says, everybody is going back life right now. when you look at this and the crime stats, a hundred and 13% rise and we are seeing things where it started. you had the death and murder of george floyd. the country says we must have justice reform and police refer. they filled the streets with cities across america and the first street was george floyd's home in minneapolis. look at it later. you've seen all of these

capitulated ideas, but nothing solved and their dangerous places. >> emily: it's so emblematic of the larger problem, not just in minnesota but across the country and in a few moments tim walz requested all minnesotans participate in a moment of silence with 9 minutes and 29 seconds in remembrance. he said that the guilty verdict was a step in the right direction, but work to dismantle systemic racism has not ended. he said "true justice will come through change when every member of our community, no matter their race is safe, valued and protected." this however is the early statistics in minneapolis, gunshot victims spiked 250% and now we see gunshots before our very eyes. how is that the governor is proclaiming science and saying we are steps to achieving this protection for the entire community we are watching it

unfold in george floyd square, exactly the opposite? >> harris: we are tight on time. kayleigh, i want to come to you. how are we seeing this? one possibility is what? >> violence should never be get more violence. the murder of george floyd should not be get the murder of others. protest that ravished our country. the defund movement. this was a family festival with many children they are and gunshots went out. one person was taken to the hospital, fortunately no reports of death so far, but we are seeing kids die on the streets. we have to talk about defunding the police and we have to get our streets under control because where we are at right now leads to death. like we talked about yesterday. the beautiful little children

who have been harmed by chaos and violence. >> harris: say their names, victims of violence, all of them, no matter how they left us. we were just looking at the scene there in minneapolis before and then we have one from today. you know, defund, or finding out what it's like to live with fewer cops. in minneapolis they have a critical shortage. he got no support, he didn't have the resources, he couldn't help the people he loved. he quit. >> what an incredible failure of leadership in minneapolis, minnesota. the city leadership, the council voted to abolish the police and reimagine public safety. whenever that was supposed to mean. they saw this violence slowly building and exploding and with the budget cut, with

law enforcement leaving, there was this panic. people said, we actually don't want the police. we talk about safety and protection, we need those who protect and serve. they were scrambling to bring in officers back into minneapolis to augment the police presence there. now they're trying to refund the police. i hope voters remember who the politicians were made these decisions, we decide to pander and make awful calls in the name of something that may have originated from something important, but they went down the wrong path and put people in danger. >> harris: they will remember that there democrats. i will give you a quick last word. >> miranda: that video we've been looking at is so perfect to

show the disconnect between the media narrative and the reality of what's going on in minnesota. reporters talking about police reform and 9 minutes of silence, yet the reality is that the protests, defund the police movement has made minnesota and minneapolis so much more dangerous. it hasn't removed the problem that was there before george floyd died and the problem they had with policing. those problems are ten times worse and you can translate that across the country. >> harris: all right. we will be right back. stay close.

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emily, your favorite cookie? >> emily: something with peanut butter and marshmallows but not nuts. >> not a big cookie guy or baked goods guide but i have a sweet tooth for refrigerated peanut m&ms is my weak spot. >> harris: miranda? we are almost out of time. >> the same. >> kayleigh: i read president obama like salted caramel and i like it. i'm in agreement. >> harris: "america reports," they are awfully sweet there. >> john: this is going to be a traditional oatmeal cookie. today marks one year since the death of george floyd, riots and protests to define the police departments but over the past year violent crime has been on the rise in studies that have code police budgets and even someone shot this morning and george floyd square in minneapolis. where does the west stand on police reform in a country that seems more divided than ever on