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>> absolutely, i followed all these rules and i stayed inside and tried to throw my own concerts using the internet and now that i am vaccinated and things are reopening i am ready to go. >> neil: all right, we will talk later, guys. a whole separate issue, may make some of you uncomfortable but you're just going to have to deal. here is "the five." >> greg: i'm greg gutfeld with juan williams, katie pavlich, jesse watters and dana perino, "the five." the great american escape begins, the cdc now says half of all u.s. adults are vaccinated and as such, crowds are back in full force. filling the streets after work, like sailors who just won the war, sports fans returning to
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the stands and heckling overpaid athletes with their favorite four letter words. juan has been practicing en masse all month, beaches reopening for the summer, you can already see tiny bits of sand falling out of jesse's hair. bars and restaurants finally filling up, people partying in the wee hours, dana was seen drawing up outside a club, it seems everything will be okay except for that fire hydrant. but it makes sense after being locked down for so long, people have to learn how to be normal again, deodorant and teeth whiteners are flying off the shelves apparently because for the past year we stopped brushing and bathing. of course the weather is heating up, more people outside enjoying nature and communing with the beautiful animals within or in katy's case, shooting them and eating them. meanwhile, a surge in membership with customers returning to the gym, good news for chris cuomo,
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what's the point of flexing if no one is watching, have you seen his ratings? they are lower than don lemon's iq. experts are even teaching people how to safely get a tan which raises the question, there are experts on tanning? and is it donny deutsch? because i'm still trying to figure out what he does. as for me i'm all about being cautious, when you are resting you've got to take it slow. now that's the stuff. so, jesse, i bet you're wondering where i got this flask. speak to my office. >> greg: that is true. >> jesse: that's a good monologue, did you write it? 's before i did write it, unlike your book. last year, we you were talking about how this was a war-like
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response, the soldiers, the heroes are sitting on their couches trying to keep granny away from hugging you. it's a different kind of battle but everybody has this sense of a postwar relief. >> jesse: you are a hero for staying home, that was good for a lot of people that needed that kind of encouragement but i am predicting a baby boom this year, greg, planned and unplanned pregnancies. there is a tremendous amount of pent up energy just waiting to explode. also, alcohol sales will skyrocket. you know slime got us through the pandemic and other bars are open i am thinking white claw, beer, tequila will go nuts and naturally, duis will probably double so don't drink and drive. as a matter of fact, don't drive at all especially on the garden state parkway on late sunday evenings. it's bad for the environment and if you have to drive i guess, you know, maybe share a car with
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someone else. clothing sales are going to go up, i can already tell, emma is shopping, the credit card has gotten out of hand, boxes are showing up from amazon, i know she's looking for new outfits from everyone else must be, too. handshakes are back, so our selfies. i'm getting mobbed by fans, greg, i forgot what it was like to be famous, boy do i love it. bell hops are going to be happy again, people are going to be going out to hotels, they've got the tip slowing again, i used to be a bellhop and i read about that in how i saved the world but you can preorder right now. also "how i saved the world" incredible beach read, studies have shown you can actually get more tan if you read my book on the beach. before that's an excellent point. i'm a member you saying there was going to be a baby boom during the pandemic as well. >> jesse: i was wrong. >> greg: the more time you spend with someone it doesn't
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always make them more attractive. do you have any predictions for this great to reopening? >> juan: yeah, look at you guys, i can't believe it. the opening segment of "the five"'s bubbly today, people are just overflowing with positive feelings and optimism about america, god bless you. this is great. i must say i just think it's a sign of america leading the way and so, you know, we had such, right now -- what'd you say, half of american adults have been vaccinated? that's incredible, for a while we were leading in terms of infection rate so i just think it's a wonderful time, i do say you have to give credit, i know it's not going to go over so well but you have to give credit to joe biden, i think he really has had a great opening segment here for his presidency, you know, think about even going back to the inauguration, he didn't have a big inauguration
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with a lot of people to avoid a super spreader event, that's setting an example, same thing with masks and now with getting people vaccinated. this is all good news and that's why people are partying and getting out and going to the beach and causing jesse problems on the garden state parkway. but i will say this, one note of caution, i have been reading and i see that people who are not vaccinated are still getting covid at very high rates. like back in december and january rates so i say, you know, don't just party and think, hey, it's not a problem anymore, everything's great. if you haven't been vaccinated you are still at high risk. >> greg: you know, dana, i know we sound giddy but the red states are probably listening to this right now and going, what a bunch of rubes. >> dana: i'm sure they are. i have two go back to the bubbly, i never thought
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jesse watters would put the two of us to shame when it comes to shameless book promotion, i have never seen anything like it, i am super impressed and i can see with that kind of tenacity how you indeed save the world. the other thing that can save the world is deodorant. i don't understand this. i get it that maybe you let your hair grow long, maybe you grew a beard but thank goodness we were all wearing masks so we couldn't smell the fact that our fellow americans were not wearing deodorant for some reason. i also, i do pilates without a mask at equinox myself. the last thing, greg, that i think is going to be a big thing this summer's concerts. people that are announcing concerts, bands are selling out in like 5 minutes. so you've got to be ready to get those tickets. to dierks bentley on september 24th at jones beach, you can only buy four at a time. >> greg: dana doing pilates without a mask, i think we know
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who the real hero is in all of this. katie, what is the first thing you are going to kill? >> jesse: you. >> katie: i'm excited for all the people whose weddings got canceled last year, everyone had to push up all their weddings in the summer they are getting to see their families and travel and their grandma can be at their wedding and i think that's awesome. i'm also looking forward to seeing juan at a nationals game, maybe we can make a bet about who buys the tickets, i don't know, if jesse could come up with a wager for us. it's exciting to see americans back out, yes, florida is laughing at us and a member at the beginning of the pandemic when they were teaching people how to wash their hands, like, shouldn't you always be washing your hands? >> dana: and wearing deodorant! >> jesse: it's a one time florida gets to laugh at someone
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else. >> greg: the florida man is vindicated. the other thing, if your flirting skills are rusty you should not rush it because you're going to end up in the e.r. and nobody wants to be in the e.r. in the summertime. it's not fun. coming up, after a year of trashing the idea the media all of a sudden thinks covid could come from a lab at. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> katie: the liberal media cast a lot of doubt on the possibility that covid leaked from a wuhan lab, for over a year you were labeled as a computer conspiracy theorists. all of a sudden they care. >> there's new scrutiny on the origins of the coronavirus. >> a new report is renewing questions about the origin of covid-19, adding met ammunition that the coronavirus may have escaped from a laboratory in
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china. >> growing calls for an independent investigation. >> katie: the white house seems to be getting on board with the idea that maybe we should look into it. >> does president biden think the theories we hear more about now, that covid-19 may have been man-made and escape from 11 china are a wacky conspiracy theory or does he think that's possible? speak of the president believes there needs to be an independent investigation, he believes that every theory should be explored through that process but that we shouldn't jump to conclusions before that data and information is made available. >> katie: dana, the white house keep saying that china needs to do more to get to the bottom of this which i don't think bodes well for actually learning anything about what happened. >> dana: it would be a shame if we never find out the actual truth. i think at this point, it seems plausible, even likely, unless the chinese want to show as otherwise than i think the rest of the world would be forgiven
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for assuming that's example what happened, why don't we just look the tables on them? why aren't just assuming that we need an independent investigation, would they ever do that for us? why should we do that for them? i am being slightly facetious but i'm also trying to be devious because that's really my nature. and when it came to the media, everyone take a step back, in the past five years, right, what happened to your judgment when you looked at possible issues i came up? and secretary pompeo, who is in a position to know as the secretary of state that "there's a good possibility that this could've come from a lab or we have a reason to believe it may have come from a lab, what you believe him? think about that, why wouldn't you believe him and why would you believe anything anyone says now. one of the things you have to do as a reporter's trust and verify and verify again and i'm glad the reporters are continuing to do this, i think this is the biggest man-made disaster, the
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most consequential one in the history of the world and even if the chinese never let people into find out what's going to happen, everyone is going to think what we already assume in our guts anyway. >> katie: so jesse, part of this is obviously following the money, dr. fauci has been questioned a lot in recent weeks about the nih funding of these labs and he's finally admitting that they get them $600,000 of modest grant money to study whether coronavirus' could infect humans in terms of the bass coronavirus is and is trying to kind of get ahead of this narrative we are seeing now of it coming from a lab when he dismissed the idea when president trump was in office. >> jesse: he changed his answer three times now, his agency trained bat lady to do these types of research things in wuhan. they brought her to america, north carolina and trained her there, the media has blown the biggest story of the 21st century. a once in a 100 year pandemic
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that killed millions of people and changed all of our lives, a year later they are getting around to figuring out where it came from while conservatives on social media knew the whole time because they follow the facts. i mean they blew epstein and harvey weinstein and trump 2016, the cuomo scandals, a blueprint for biden family crimes, they care warm-up flavor gatorade he drinks. i had a friend, i assume everyone i meet is a and i work back from that assumption. i assume everything in the mainstream media is wrong and i work back from that assumption pay when they say it's a computer conspiracy theory they just mean it's a theory they don't agree with, when they say it's debunked it hasn't been debunked at all, they just get triggered when someone decides the legacy media pursues a story that they disagree with. and then they try to tell everyone its fringe.
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it's not french, we've known this was likely from the jump, juan said yesterday, you know, just because a couple days ago there were journal report of these lab workers got sick, that was a morsel of the evidence. i don't know if you've seen waters world for the last year. disappointing, it would be weird if you put up with me all weekend then watched watter's world on friday night. the chinese have still not even said what species this originated from a year later. did this thing actually attack humans and is never been found in the nature, once. that's absurd, every kind of virus we've ever had, within a month we've been able to say that's the host, that's the intermediate host and a year later they still can't name or it came from, don't you think that's on? dana's right, the burden of proof is on china.
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>> katie: the poor pangolin was blamed for everything and now the bats are getting blamed. "the new york times" is now blaming president trump for discrediting the lab theory. take a look at this. >> president trump and mike pompeo, the secretary of state both suggested they had seen evidence that this was formed in a lab and also suggested it was not released on purpose but refused to release the evidence showing what it was so because of that it made this instantly political i think, example 1,000 when the trump administration learned that when you have burned your own credibility over and over again, people are not immediately going to believe you. >> katie: burning credibility, greg. >> greg: that's rich. this answers a question, when dana says why what you believe pompeo?
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they wouldn't have diminished to the lab theory if it wasn't for their emotional hatred for trump. their emotional dislike actually prevented them from logically thinking about this. who's been pointing out this to sort four years? we have but now they've just admitted that their own trump derangement syndrome has caused them to trash science and even ignore possibly the most plausible theory because when you think about, think about the other theory, the most obvious explanation tends to be the truest, they thought that the most obvious explanation was that it came from a wet market from a pangolin or a batch that was eaten. that is somehow, somehow more plausible than a lab that is literally down the street doing experiments with novel corona viruses that are known to not be totally competent when it comes to their hygiene, known for
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their sloppy work that could, in fact, allow the virus to escape. what is the more plausible theory? obviously that one but we were bullied into it by the media because trump. because trump. when you put it this way and you think about it, china murdered my father-in-law. everybody -- was murdered, changed my life forever, change my wife's life forever. they are murderers. that government is a murderous government, we know that so what are we going to do about it? i don't know. >> katie: that's a great question. one, don't you think is a journalist they should at least be interested in information and running it down to see if it's true or false rather than just dismissing it outright? >> greg: absolutely and i'm just listening and thinking to myself, i think that's what they did. i think that people... i am sitting here and thinking,
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i was open to this idea, i remember there was a doctor in wuhan who died, he was trying to raise awareness, there was long talk of people in that lab up to something, not being forthcoming and we know that china is an authoritarian, repressive society where telling the truth can be a death sentence for use all of that is real. but it's also real that secretary pompeo and president trump did not provide any evidence and that we now have evidence that there were some people in that lab who got sick. earlier than we knew so i think it opens new lines of inquiry but, you know, for all this loving on the back, conspiracy theorists have been proven right, wait a minute. the birther movement, the big steel? when you say people cry wolf, they lose credibility. >> greg: like the media.
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>> katie: looking forward to getting to the bottom of the pandemic, yeah. speaking of china, wrestler john cena being called pathetic after apologizing to communist china while promoting his new movie. is it a musical
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reference to taiwan as an independent country so he quickly apologized in mandarin. >> [speaking mandarin] >> juan: he says he's sorry about his mistake and that he loves and respects china. did a wrestling star just get body slammed by china? >> greg: i think what he did was cowardly and despicable and if i ever see him face-to-face i will be sure to tell him the exact opposite, i had no idea there were nine fast and furious is. i think i might be in one of them if there are that many. it just shows you how embedded our corporate overlords are with the totality it totalitarian regime to get arguably the toughest actor in hollywood to offer a groveling apology in mandarin. i don't see cena running around
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crapping on america and apologizing to china like lebron james. >> juan: in the united states we have a one china policy so should we change and say, you know, taiwan, we respect your independence and sovereignty? b5 taiwan is a country, hong kong used to be a sovereign, it's been taken over by the chinese communist party, the chinese, is now engaged in against an entire muslim population and what that means for america is that we are screwed because they don't even have to try to infiltrate american society and culture, when you have people willing to put their profits from a communist regime in a country that treats people very poorly, where they don't have freedom to access the kind of information to tell them that taiwan is an independent country, and it impacts every aspect of american
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life whether it's the things that we buy, whether it's our pharmaceuticals coming from china, all of our ppe and hollywood now with our culture, they don't even have to try or fire a shot, they've already infiltrated every aspect of american society and that does not bode well for the future of our country. >> juan: dana, to katie's point, if the film is not shown in china, the producers and the stars will lose millions if not billions. how would you handle this? >> dana: i think they should've thought of that before and i think this is pitiful and it's not attractive, let me tell you. i don't find that attractive at all, and when he's basically doing is groveling and people saying they need to understand, do you know what the chinese then do with a video like that? they use it as absolute propaganda and it is not right. how much more money do you need? be bold, stand up, taiwan deserves our respect and our
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pledge of allegiance to them. let me tell you another thing, do you remember in 2016 right after the election, who was the first head of state for president trump to call? he called taiwan. that's bold. and remember that it was a huge thing, my gosh, how can you possibly do this? he was sending a message and now maybe his team didn't know exactly, going back decades, the war on policy established in washington, the chinese he really mad. he didn't care and that i think is really bold. >> juan: so jesse, the movie is going to come out because obviously pandemic over, movie theaters are going to be filled when it hits the u.s., are we going to forget about this in a week or two ago? >> jesse: we will and you know my policy, i don't attack people that can beat me up and up policy is worked out very favorably so i am going to sign with cena here, the u.s.
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government doesn't even recognize an independent taiwan so we expect him to? as one china policy has been policy in the u.s. government, both sides since '79. we just sold these guys defensive weapons to keep the peace so if i'm getting paid $10 million by this franchise and they opened in a china box office last week and for $140 million and i make a little gaffe about an island that they are prickly about, i'm going to say hey, my bad, i'm sorry. it's good business and its good manners. we are talking about the territorial integrity -- >> dana: how can you possibly say that and also save the world? the two world saved. you'll figure it out when you read it. but this isn't about human rights, this is about the territorial integrity of the country, it's nuanced and i can do nuance. and i'm siding with cena because
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>> you spend a long time together, we spend a lot of time with the family and we just talked about the one year anniversary and that every anniversary, you are happy people remember but it takes a lot of courage to go through. they have been wonderful and i have spoken with the negotiators and i'm hopeful that sometime after memorial day we will have an agreement on the george floyd legislation. and i think they were very pleased with the time we spent together. we spent a long time, almost a
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b2 that was the president talking about meeting with the family of george floyd on the anniversary of his death, having some trouble hearing that audio so we are going to continue with "the five" here. "the washington post" just published the mother of all puff pieces boasting about president biden's workout routine and desire to escape the washington basel, they also did some hard-hitting reporting on his favorite gatorade flavor, orange. and his cookie preference. chocolate chip. here is just a small sample. "biden begins his mornings with a workout that often includes lifting weights and meets regularly in person with a trainer. during the 2020 campaign he biked regularly on both traditional bike and the pel. his current preferences are
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something of a state secret, however, and the white house press will can't get enough. >> what more can you tell us about the president's health regime. we hear he's lifting weights, what sort of wait to see lifting and what happened to his peloton bike, did he bring it to the white house? >> i have nothing to read out on the president's exercise regime but i can tell you, having traveled with him a fair amount, sometimes he's hard to keep up with. >> jesse: we have the anniversary of the george floyd death, china covering up the lab situation, we have russia hacking our pipeline, but it has done nothing about it, he let the other pipeline go to germany, inflation and is getting asked about peloton, dana. what's going on here? >> dana: you forgot the border. how could you possibly, jesse, you of all people. not to mention our problems of taiwan end of chinese over there after that last segment, we're probably going to have to have
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an emergency meeting somewhere. if you are the white house press secretary and you get a question like that, home run, easy, they are kind of fun and the reporter knows how to get clicks because people like to read about these type of things. they liked to do it with obama both president trump it was the opposite. he likes his steak well done. by the way, so do i. he did was catch up, heats it with french fries and has a terrible diet, those of the things that reporters would write about and click on. this kind of thing happen. i don't know what he does, i'm going to guess, greg, he probably does hiit hills. >> greg: low impact. me too i just found out he doesn't do cable news except for "morning joe" before joe is almost as good shape as the
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illegal aliens sprinting across our border. it's hard to conjure up strong feelings about joe biden and that's a secret superpower which allows them to be such an effective conduit for far left policies, the squad. people hated trump so much that they are over scrutinized everything he did to a point of actually hallucinating things that he didn't do. but with joe he's just so joe, he just goes along to get along, the media is pleased as punch because i don't have to work that hard, they can sleep at night and they are getting the far left policies and it really is, it comes down to, it's so important to like your president. sure you're going to have inflation, a terrible border and rampant crime, 20 cities it hasn't been seen since the 1960s, we are seeing expanding unemployment, media-driven racial conflict but for god's sakes there's no tweeting at midnight, what a trade-off, i am so happy i can sleep.
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b2 katie, my favorite part of the story as they showed part of his schedule, at 9:50:00 a.m., he waits around for his chief of staff. he waits, the president, for his chief of staff. >> katie: joe biden is waiting for the actual president, the prime minister of the united states, he waits for his vice president harris to run the show. first of all, why is the press not demanding that the white house physician come out and give a real, detailed explanation of the president's health? the american people deserve that especially after the president fell up the stairs twice which could have been a really serious problem. but i'm glad to know that he is a trainer, he can do hand-eye coordination drills to make that not happen again. >> jesse: another juicy nugget with this thing, he has lunch with kamala once a week, they see montages of pictures of themselves that they had taken of them doing events throughout
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the week. >> juan: i don't know what to say. >> jesse: you neither. >> juan: i don't know what kind of room they are and when they have that monitor up next to them. >> dana: the private dining room. >> juan: do they have a big monitor like that? >> dana: it's like a big tv screen. anyway, i think the presh gushes over new presidents regularly, think about george washington and the cherry tree, legends get built, dolley madison, the greatest hostess ever. with trump, by the way, ivanka and jared with a power couple for every cover. ronald reagan had it for six years but he was a pro until it went away but yeah, i think this is what happens right before they start taking out the long knives for you. >> jesse: i will wait for that, i will watch the clock on that, those long knives. up next, think you have what it takes to survive in the wilderness?
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♪ ♪ >> dana: that is a classic right there. americans are pretty confident and think they are tom hanks in "cast away" when it comes to their outdoor survival skills. the average person believes they could last 16 days in the wilderness but -- we know you can do this because we've seen it but people may not realize, that jesse watters actually did this. do you think that you could still start a fire with flint, jesse? >> jesse: yeah, my father i guess maybe thought i was getting soft when i was on swim team and playing tennis all summer so he thought i needed to go out and be a little more rugged and he sent me to these wilderness survival camps. like one day i am at the snack bar, the next i am in the grand teton's on a solo, do you know what a soloist, dana? it's when the counselor gives you a matchbook and a knife and leaves you alone in the wild for three days to survive and i talk
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about this and how i saved the world and i suffered a very embarrassing injury one solo and it was in the middle of, you know, a time where i was very attracted to another girl i was doing the camp with and really, really suffered some very serious emotional injuries that summer. >> dana: greg, apparently only 35% of people could correctly identify poison ivy. >> greg: that's scary because you don't want to use that to wipe. the closest time i got to be lost in the wild i actually went canoeing for a week in rural georgia. i ran into some pretty scary backwoods locals who basically harassed and stalked me all the way up to the dangerous rabbits made it was not then on when i survived the sheriff didn't believe a word i said, told me never to come back there. we don't talk about it much anymore but the upside is i did meet a really nice white kid who could play the banjo.
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>> dana: has that song when playing in your head ever since? >> greg: it always is in my head. >> dana: one, could you survive in that wilderness more than a day? >> greg: emac >> juan: if it comes with internet and cable, i am a child of the concrete jungle, i have trouble with ikea furniture so you can imagine. >> dana: katie, are you embarrassed about all of us? >> katie: i don't blame you but i can give you tips and so could jesse. >> dana: could you start a fire in the world? >> katie: if i had flint i absolutely could. it is a's before she starts a fire on television, dana. >> dana: "one more thing" is up next. ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ '. >> greg: omg it's omt jesse. >> jesse: yesterday cyber bullied me. watch. >> greg: you need to send all your cat videos showing cats trying to destroy your life to me care of jesse watters work email. >> jesse: now as the victim of cyber bullying by a colleague who i work with, i'm upset. and i just want to give you a little example of some of the videos that have i been receiving on my company email. videos like this. lafayette lots of them. videos that i can't even show because people interpreted cat a little differently than you think. and. >> katie: oh, no. >> jesse: your favorite first lady melania trump was against this, greg, so please be best. >> greg: oh, man, it's worth every penny. look at those. >> katie: those are not alive.
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>> dana: before you read jesse watters' how i saved the world. i have to recommend this book that comes out next tuesday. this is like the free copy. it's about george h.w. bush it's called the man i knew. the amazing story of his post presidency. written by gene becker, a long time chief of staff to george h.w. bush and mrs. barbara bush. this book, i have dog eared almost every page sort of funny stories. just wonderful little historical nuggets. she a fantastic story teller. if you need something to read, i promise you it's a fast read. you will love it. it comes out next tuesday. >> greg: dog-eared. you always have to bring the dog into it. >> dana: better than a cat or whatever jesse was talking about. >> greg: that was a dead cat. >> juan: i love joey -- i have to pick that up. tiger woods may not be swinging a golf club these days but he still knows how to land and lend
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a helping hand. take a look at tiger on crutches he's offers words of support to the 10-year-old suffering from sarcoma and undergoing cheney. they ran chemotherapy. stay strong. she says that's always been her goal mentally and physically wanting to inspire others. >> this is the first picture i want you to know of woods out in public since the car crash in february shattered his right leg. woods, as you know, has won 15 major golf tournaments last seen on his personal golf course in april. it looks like he is in better shape now though. so get well luna. get well tiger. >> greg: all right. katie. >> katie: indeed. backing up dana with the dog video. take a look at this really cute labrador retriever his name is ollie. he does tricks by putting stuff on his bottom, his booty and bouncing them.
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water, nutella. lettuce. is he a down dog. >> greg: i don't know if this is proper for the early evening viewers. >> dana: send those videos to greg at his email in care of katie. >> greg: very flirtatious dog. i must say. i don't know how i feel about that. >> very cute. >> greg: that's it for us. "special report" is up next. bret, how are you. >> bret: that's a dog with a big backyard. thanks; welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. one year anniversary of the death of george floyd brings with it a stark reminder of the many deadly consequences of that happening. president biden met with floyd's family today at the white house. meanwhile. in minneapolis, shots rang out this morning near the intersection where floyd was killed last year. this is what it looked and sounded like live with an associated press reporter. >> they wanted this bill of comprehensive. [gunfire. >> police reform

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