at 7:00. until then, be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. happy memorial day, tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." this is a special edition of the show. so much has changed in the united states this past year. it's hard to keep track of it all. a public as experts have been exposed as frauds as incompetent and dishonest. our schools are now openly teaching racism toward children. our military at times does not seem interested in protecting the country. these are big changes that have

real ramifications. most new channels don't want to cover these stories. the real stories. they occupy themselves with frivolity. but we do want to cover them. we think it is our duty. we also know it's hard to give everyone of these topics the time and the depth it deserves. and that's when we launched our new streaming show on fox nation, it's called "tucker carlson today." that allows us to talk about much greater length about these issues. most of these interviews last around an hour. tonight, you're going to feature some of our best conversations. we warm up begin with a portion of our first ever episode featuring douglas murray, one of the very freethinking intellectuals left. here is part of the conversation that we had about how the united states appears to be losing its moral confidence. speak out if i think that white people and black people cannot understand each other and we cannot speak across boundaries, then there is nothing left but war. hatred, oppression, bigotry, and much more. and i think that everyone,

black, white, any other color, should say no, we are not doing that. we are sitting this one out. in fact, we're going to do more than sit this one out. we're going to fight back. we are not going to play that game. we know where it is even if you don't. so i very much hope that people realize what these so-called antiracist are doing. the walls that they are building and the visions that they are embedding and forcing on the new generation of americans. and i hope that more and more americans just step away from that. opt out of it and call it out. >> how do you do that? >> everyone can do and in their own lives. in my experience is that people shouldn't expect the calvary to come to save them. i think the discovery of middle-age above anything else is that the cavalry is you.

speak out the cavalry is you. that is true. speak out for us it hilarious thought. secondly it's a slightly depressing thought. thirdly, it is a worrying thoughts. but nevertheless, it is the case. you are the people who get us out of this. no one else does it for you. >> tucker: so in practical terms that would mean if you have children in a school whose curriculum has changed dramatically since the death of george floyd and you find your kids being subjected to this, you stand up and say something? >> and have confidence, intellectual confidence, moral confidence to say no, we knew until yesterday this was the case. the death of george floyd doesn't demand a rewrite of american history. it doesn't demand -- a rewrite of american education. it does not make america the country which its detractors and

of famers now pretend it is. they have no right to do this. they have no right to make americans forget their own history or rewrite their own history or lie about it. they have no right to make americans feel disdain for their ancestors. they have no right to do all of these things. and i think that the american public and everyone in their own individual way it can say no. i know something that we all knew until yesterday and i will not be made to forget it. that can be rejecting racism, even when it comes under the guise of antiracism. or it can come in just saying no when it comes into your own life. when stupid, stupid people tell everyone else to educate themselves when the least educated people and your society lecture the most educated telling them to be smarter, have some confidence. say no, i'm not listening to this. i don't need to. i don't need to be talked down

to. i'm not a bad person. i'm not a bad person because of my skin color prayed i don't think anyone else is either. people just need to have a bit more moral confidence in america. what is it all go? when did you lose it? i think this every day. what you think the answer is? >> i think american for a generation or more has had an elite that does not like the country. doesn't feel that you are very good. that's not unusual, and i am from a continent where there has been an awful lot of people who have taken that view. it's very hard for society to do well if most of the people in the position of power and authority basically distrusts the public. but the saving grace of it is the public. it is the people who hold onto truth that there elite disdain,

who remember things that people in power have forgotten. who hold onto truth. that has seen this country through in the past, and i think you can see it through again. but you need to be bullied, you need not to be bullied by people who pretend to know more. and who almost never do. not be bullied by people who say well, i have got an ma in gender theory so i know about this. have a competence turn around and say with all due respect, i don't think that means you know anything. >> tucker: the biggest vaccination campaign in history is underway. the u.s. military is involved. everybody needs to get the shot. that is what you have heard. there is an enormous pressure on all americans to get it, even people who have recovered from covid and have active anybody's. we've never done that before. is it safe? doctor is a long time position and he is very concerned about this policy. he told us it's important to

screen before vaccine. here are some of that conversation. >> so i think it's going to be a logical and rational approach to using both natural immunity and vaccine immunity. in other words, if someone is naturally immune, there is no reason to go in and re-vaccinate. in those patients and those persons who get in an essay medical procedure. >> tucker: wait a second. many millions, we don't remember, we know it is enormous, will of relatives. i've a number of relatives who have been infected and recovered and seemed fine. you are saying that those people, millions of americans who have had covid and recovered, should not get the vaccine? >> again, i do want to say anything that goes directly against the public health narrative because i know that this is a very contentious issue and i certainly don't want to undermine efforts of the public health leaders, but i would say that the vast majority of people are naturally immune and will

have quite robust immunity. in effect normally as you know in other examples, for example the case of chicken pox, that is one perfect example, is when you become and you naturally, you are quite robust in the immune system. so there's no need to go back and re-vaccinate you. certainly if you have antibodies, that is the definition, the standard definition of immunity is a presence of antibodies in your blood. so if you go to occupational health because avenue job and they want to know what you're vaccine status that is, they draw some blood, and they sent off, and if you're anybody's, positive, you are immune. i don't know why we are sort of suspending this. in terms of your question -- >> tucker: so that is kind of the question. since we have by definition a limited number of vaccines, we are prior toys and on the basis of all kinds of bacteria first we are going to screen for everyone who's already only in

because of previous infections and may be they are not in front of the lineup. why would we do that? >> that's a good question. i think that -- i would like to think that that has to do with the public health officials sort of being in the panic mode. i want to invoke any sort of conspiracy theories, but i would like to think that there might be a panic mode and they want to carte blanche effects in the everybody and nothing nefarious going on behind the scenes. >> tucker: sorry, i majored in russian history. i know nothing about science. i was a very obvious question to me and has been for weeks now. and you don't think it's occurred to them? >> it has certainly occurred to them based on the letters that i've generated to them. so i certainly think that dr. woodcock and dr. marks, even dr. fauci is aware of the fact that we are literally deploying a vaccine en masse in the middle of an outbreak. and i want to make sure your audience understands this. this is a very unusual thing. we are literally in the middle

of an outbreak where millions of americans as you said are naturally infected or naturally immune. deploying a vaccine that essentially reactivates the immune response. so the question is number one, is that a necessary medical treatment? number two, is that a dangerous medical approach? >> tucker: a lot of powerful people would like marjorie taylor greene to be quiet. they are trying to make her be quiet. as with i will be interesting to talk to her about a wide range of topics. and we did for about an hour. in a recent conversation, or exchange with cindy cortez and the congress, and amazing conversation that is an expert we also spoke to someone else we didn't expect to be talking to who had a lot to say. actress kirstie alley straight ahead. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: marjorie taylor greene is so famous and reviled on the left is the forget she is a sitting member of convent spiritually represents georgia's 14 congressional district. you probably have heard a lot about marjorie taylor greene. we all have. very few of us have heard from marjorie taylor greene. we wanted to correct that. here is part of our conversation with the member of congress. she told us for example about the recent exchange with sandy

cortez, her colleagues on capitol hill. >> have you talked to any democrats and to have been there? >> i talked to aoc. i challenge her debate me on her green new deal. to be on moshe-like? >> first off, she was completely -- i don't know what her motion was, but she was like kind of like a high school student. have you even read it? and i said well yeah, i've read most of it. and she's like how can you even ask me to debate the green new deal if you haven't even read it? which is very -- >> tucker: hand gesture. >> hand gesture he. and i said okay. i will finish reading it. and they will debate. we will debate the green new deal and economic policy because here is the issue. i'm a business owner, i have signed paychecks, i have created jobs, i have worked very hard building our company. i built another company that was a gin and i know what that is

like. to build the economy and create jobs. and you agree new deal is completely the opposite and you don't understand it at all because you never owned a business. as a matter of fact, you've never had long-term employment anywhere. and therefore your green new deal is going to destroy our economy and destroy jobs. so i would like for us debate about this and how it is going to affect our country and the future of our economy. and she was like just very offended. just completely offended that i wanted to talk to her. childish. childish. >> tucker: were you standing in the house? >> yes. right down there in the chamber. in front of the speaker's desk. >> tucker: she sighs a lot it sounds like. >> she reminds me of my two daughters. will actually i think they speak much better than she does. i think she was very triggered at the fact that i walked right up to her and asked her to debate me.

because most of the time republicans and democrats don't even talk to each other in there. >> tucker: had more of that conversation with marjorie taylor greene coming up. you will hear her describe what her life is like. what it is like to be marjorie taylor greene and to be happy despite the attacks. interesting. and then we had a long and unpredictable and pretty amazing conversation with kirstie alley who has been in hollywood for 40 years. here is part of. >> if you can't be happy without drugs, if you can't -- and then it starts making you crazy. and i saw a glimpse of what real insanity was. not what to me being crazy chrissy at a party or playing around for it i was in playing i couldn't control feeling kind of insane. and i started getting really, really introverted and just went back in on me. and i thought look what you've done to yourself. nobody did this. you did this to yourself. and then i had hope. if he did it, you can undo it.

so at least i had hope. those weren't pharmaceutical drugs. at least people when you say look, i do a lot of below, there like you want to stop that. now if you go yeah, my month six psych drugs. that sums good. they don't go -- how can you be on six mind altering drugs? and then instead of being depressed, why can't someone be depressed because things have happened to them because they have losses. people have died in their life. they have been molested, they happened. why can't someone guide them to look at what happened to them because it is real. it's not like -- you don't have to be mentally ill -- i would say this, what psychotropic drugs do you have deficiency of? >> tucker: that's a great question. >> you don't. and it's going to mess with your mind more. and then you won't be able to make decisions or look at

something. and i feel sorry for people because they go oh, well, you're a sign because, you don't believe -- that doesn't have anything to do with believing in it if you are to present have anxiety, find out why. there is a reason. i feel lucky that i am i'm a scientologist. because that is what part of it -- and what you do is you find out why you're so screwed up. and you find out why your depressed breathe is a reason people are depressed. >> tucker: you could go to a psychiatrist though? speak of the reason i don't go to a psychiatrist because in their bag is the drugs. that's the main way they treat people. i just want someone to go what is going on? and you say blah. it will trail to something earlier and earlier that was really damaging to you. and then you can confront that thing, that part of it goes away. and you're like oh, i get it. on a mystery anymore.

i get it why my walking around depressed. >> tucker: so self-knowledge may be more effective than benzos? >> i'm thinking. the reason it's real to me is because it's what happened in my own life. >> tucker: trying to ban the ar-15. not surprisingly, it is the most popular rifle in america. what is it exactly question mike we decided to take a deep and honest look at the ar-15. interesting. that is straight ahead. ♪ ♪ e. and you need it here. and here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. seek a commitment to clean. look for the ecolab science certified seal.

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more empathy toward one another and unite around the shared ideals america is built on. i man hunt continues tonight for three mask as men who opened fire outside a miami bank early sunday. the attack killed to come in, enter 21 others. police have released surveillance video showing three people get out of a car, one of the suspects appeared to be holding a handgun while the other two carry what police described as assault-style rifles. i am rich edson. now back to "tucker carlson tonight." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: we have a new documentary series that we are proud of. it's called "tucker carlson originals" that's on fox nation originals. here's a clip on my third episode. it's about the ar-15, the most popular rifle in america. what is the truth about the r15? to get to that, we interview the one and only haycock 45 of youtube fame.

speak out when you hear people talk about gun control, they are probably talking about the ar-15. >> were going to take your ar-15. >> tucker: the most popular rifle in america. >> this is what democracy looks like. >> tucker: the number one target for gun acts. what is the ar-15? how does it work? and why do people buy it? we began our investigation into this with haycock 25, one of the most popular gunner reviewers on youtube. >> let's go full auto. what the heck. does that look like fun? >> tucker: your brass just hit me in the chest. fantastic. and the selector here, it's funny to have a rifle that has a selector that goes semiwhich they normally do. but goes all the way up.

>> avoid this deal. >> tucker: i will definitely avoid the steel. if you have ever searched for information about guns on youtube, you have come in because a man called haycock 45. he may be this and the most knowledgeable voice about firearms in the public conversation. he is in our documentary. we are very happy to have him here on the red carpet in los angeles. great to see you. so you follow the news. you are not political especially in your youtube explanations and demonstrations about firearms. but when he threw the ar-15 referred to insistently by the president and all down the line as a weapon of war, what is your response to that? >> it's pretty chilling. i bought one and 1984 before a lot of the viewers were probably even born. and it really has not gone to war yet. just on modern sporting rifle that i enjoy. i don't really hunt myself. a lot of people hunt with them. they are wonderful rifle for him

defense, lightweight, effective, and adjustable stocks, most of them. they are just a very versatile firearm that i think is the most popular rifle in the country right now. for sporting. >> tucker: in rural america specifically, any rural zip code has a ton of ar-15s and in places with very low crime if you tend to find a lot of them. >> exactly. as we know, the crime committed with rifles is extremely low of any kind. knives and fists and everything surpassed five. so a lot of this silliness about rifles is just fiction. just fiction in general. >> tucker: and must drive you crazy as someone who is an actual expert on the subject. you know a lot about gunsmithing could you know a lot about guns. it must drive you crazy dude who people who know nothing about guns weigh in on them with this

moral aggression. speak out to some i have been hearing it for decades and decades. i guess you get used to it. the dimple to eat now is they are so adamant and maybe have more power than in recent years. but yeah, it is mostly silly and is people ignoring the statistics. i think a lot don't care about this this is six. they don't. as you know. it's frustrating at times, but most of it is gone and enjoyed the firearms and buy them for home defense, competition, hunting and whatever we choose to do. and we support the second amendment gun rights groups and go on about our business. >> tucker: ar-15s, i just need to work perspective as an example of american manufacturing and engineering and innovation. it's kind of an impressive machine, isn't it? >> it is. i've always said there are so many impressive things about it is it's just so reliable. i've gone through a lot of different firearms in my life and i've shot and the ar is

always interesting because even with a cheap magazine. i've always been intrigued by the fact you can go to an army surplus store and pick up some old banks that have been stepped on in the finishes off of them and they will work 100% reliably. initiative very reliable -- just inherently reliable. light recoiling. it's a very popular among people -- be careful of what i say. small stature. young people. just anybody that maybe doesn't want a lot of recoil. and it's a lot of fun to shoot. that's why so popular prince be one it works. that's why people like you. a voice of sanity and deep knowledge. not enough of those. thank you. joe biden, who is no idea what side of the rifle the bullet comes out, is calling out for a total ban on the ar-15. he calls with a weapon of war. an assault rifle. we have asked around. one second amendment advocate joined us on "tucker carlson tonight" to explain what he is not going to comply with that band.

tell me about your hats. is house i will not comply. >> think about it. are we expected to comply with unconscionable laws in this country? we are not. and so this is reference to the idea of an assault weapon ban. we have artie had the supreme court decided that we do have a right to own firearms in this country and error 15 is one of those, when most popular rifles in this country. it is in common use. so the result of that is you're going to pass an assault weapons ban which is in direct contrast to what the second amendment says, what are said to report i'm not going to apply with unconstitutional laws. especially when utilizing the one guy and i think it's in the best position to protect myself. you and i can debate back and forth about whether it's in ar, whether it is a shock on and so on and so forth. but is in the same vein as a shotgun as other firearms and other rifles as well appeared so why are we trying to relegate me

to something what i consider to be -- >> tucker: is so funny because government policy has caused a crime way. we've always had crime. there's always people committing violence for whatever reason proven in lesser, you've seen crime go way out, violent crime go way up including homicides. and it's because of specific steps that are leading filmic leadership have taken we need to take your guns away. but we're not going to take the guns that are causing the crime, we're going to take the guns that are held almost overwhelmingly by people who cause no crime at all, the error 15. >> i think that is what i call a slow drip. i think the ultimate goal -- i don't know the ultimate goal, they want to bang all the guns. and that sounds conspiratorial, sounds extreme, but he think about it logically, you just pointed out, you are talking about error 15's account for less than 1% of gun violence in this country. so the idea is to save lives, why are we not focusing on gun responsible for the vast

majority of it, and guns? so logically if your goal -- ultimate goal -- is to save lives, you think it's particular gun that is doing it, so that means your ultimate goal is to ban guns. and so -- >> tucker: let me ask you, is there evidence that seizing guns from law-abiding people would lower the rate of violence and save lives? >> it wouldn't. think about it. i've actually asked this question of people on the show i used to have before we tackle the big red button question. if you go over and push it and made all the guns disappear, every single one of them, would you push it? i say no. people usually kind of look at me sideways since i will lie when you? because pushing the red button doesn't get rid of violence. it gets rid of a tool that some people use to commit violence. sue and have you noticed that

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: an upcoming visit of "tucker carlson tonight," we talk about link with the human rights activists. she was in immigrant senior in the united states. she is one of the very few

honest voices among unrestrained's immigration means or europe and for the united states. here's a preview of the episode. >> tucker: see you very nondemocratic countries pretty move to the west and you get elected within a democratic country. you don't just vote, you actually get voted for. so we have seen it from both ends. what questions do you think your experience raises about democracy? >> raises a separation between the constituency. people who elect you and they say we elected you because you are voicing the issues of concern to us. how our infrastructure is affected. you are voicing that. we elected you to do that. and then you go to the senior people within the political party and within the walls of parliament who say shut up. or shut up for a while. until you get the votes. and then they get the votes and they move further toward this.

back then we had names where it peaked filmic today in united states i think the label that is widely used is identity politics. there is the word woke that is going around. but i think identity politics is on both sides of the atlantic that would be what applies because it is ea identity, the mexicans over the hispanic vote in the black vote that this vote or that failed. you have to pander to bats. >> tucker: our interview with piers morgan about meghan markle, the fake duchess from l.a., made headlines around the world. that is because piers morgan was fired for saying something that's everybody knows is true. that's why they fired you, not -- what he said was the most powerful people in the world pretend to be the most impressed. and by pretending to be oppressed, they become more powerful. see how that works?

or is a chunk our conversation. the moments after she complained about being silence, she called your boss to silence you. >> i mean, you couldn't make this stuff up frankly. the week before, harry had been on an open top bus going to bentley hills with his friend james. who is talking about his private life and the lives of his family on an open top hollywood star bus. the lack of self-awareness of these two is frankly breathtaking. meghan markle guest edited british "vogue" magazine in the middle of her silence. meghan markle made 73 public appearances, many of which she spoke at during her extended period of being silence. meghan markle claimed she had a passport taken away so she couldn't fly. she took 14 flights read some of them on elton john's private jet

while she was simultaneously with harry lecturing us about our carbon footprint. there were so many ridiculous whoppers in this interview. but frankly, in the end, saying i would believe her would be like saying i believe pinocchio. it's like, why would i? >> tucker: i'm just concerned. i just want meghan markle to have a voice, it doesn't sound like she has one. maybe sir elton can help her. the focus on the royal family because i think what is happening to you is a much bigger story than anything they are doing. but i have to ask you this because i can't resist. what is their future exactly? she clearly is such a transparent operator, obviously. the end game isn't till like you know, live with him the rest of her life. could it be? >> well, she has a track record of ditching everyone and everything when they seem to be used two or so my advice to harry is make sure you remain of

use. and his primary use seems to be as he has a royal title. and she has been ruthlessly exploiting that title to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. and good luck if they can get away with it. but i think americans should be on to now. how much money would they be making if they want the duke and duchess of sussex? there and a nine would they be getting the oprah winfrey to our one eighth on slog if they weren't royals? would they be an open top bus going through hollywood if they weren't royals? so their entire existence is now being financed by their royal connection. the same or no connection which they spent nearly two hours lambasting on global television saying how much they hate it. it's not just inconsistent. it's not just hypocritical. it's actually shameful. so again, complete hypocrisy, invading other people's privacy

whenever it suits them, but also to keep the pot boiling and making themselves talked about which ultimately is their only currency. they are not making all this money through talent. megan was an okay actress on a show not to many people watch. i happen to like it, but not many other people watch that. it was a reasonably okay semihad to show for a few years. what has prince harry dan question mike i tell you what he did do which won him the great respect of britain as he went to war. the sky went to war -- my brother-in-law, my sister's husband, taught harry at the military academy and said he was a fine young soldier. and a very courageous man. what happened to that guy? what has happened to that guy? that he is turned into this whiny brat in his mid-30s complaining his dad isn't still financing everything that he does. complaining he was cut off by

daddy. actually, that was not true either. it turns out prince charles carried on financing him. i remember, harry inherited millions. i knew princess diana well. and i think she would be horrified by the split between harry and his brother. i think by the schism now between harry and the royal family generally. by the appalling smearing of the queen, which has already caused damage and some of the commonwealth countries who are buying in to this outrageous lie that the queen is somehow racist presiding over a racists institution. so i'm afraid i just predict we're going to be hearing a lot more from them and were going to be hearing a lot more royal secrets from them because that is their currency. and without that, they are a couple of celebrities. >> tucker: marjorie taylor greene has only been in congress a few months. she is a number one target for the rest of the media and members of both political parties. what's it like to be marjorie taylor greene right now?

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visit findingtruepeace.com to find answers. that's findingtruepeace.com. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: so you show up in congress representing a congressional district in georgia and think you're going to do some legislating and all of a sudden you come marjorie taylor greene. one of the most infamous people in the world. every day you see members attack marjorie taylor greene. she is crazy. we will let judge for yourself what she is like but when to ask her, how much her life has changed in the face of all of this and she told us. let me ask you not about the substance of what they are saying. if our viewers are interested, they can look it up i guess. but how does that affect you? like, everyone says i don't care about media coverage. but do you care? does that wound you? does it affect your life? you go home and i was to mark what you think of that?

>> it was shocking to me. so first off when all these new stories started coming out it made me extremely angry, it made my husband angry, my kids very angry because this is their mom. my mom and dad, everybody that knows me were very upset. there were like this is not who you are. and then so i went through weeks of all my personal friends and family sending me every single article they saw, which was filling up my all of my text messages. and i was like guys, i'm trying to not like of the stuff. and y'all are sending it to me mad. they are so mad because they are like i can't believe they are saying all this. i'm going hold on, i'm trying to block it all out. so it was a lot. >> tucker: let me say i can relate to that. >> i bet you can. >> tucker: so were you able to block it out? >> yes. you want to know why? i know exactly who i am. and i'm very comfortable in my own skin. and if i had all of my friends

and family and everyone that knows me on these new stories saying that garbage about me, then i think the country could be discerned. and i think i would be hurt. but you have never seen any of my friends or family or anybody that really knows me -- as a matter fact, none of those people have gone on their and they wouldn't because they are disgusted at what they see in the media. >> tucker: that is a wise piece of advice. they can say with a want about the you, but as long as the people you love love you back, it doesn't matter. that's worth thinking about. that is worth living. that is a life lesson. and here's another life lesson for you. this comes from an amazing conversation that we had with author j.d. vance. anna comes from his grandmother. here it is. >> my grandma did not have a high school degree. she was a very smart woman and i think recognize the writing on the wall, which is if this kid can has a chance, he has to get out. that kind of was drilled in me from a very early age grade the idea that this is not a

community where you can build a long-term life for yourself. you have to get out. and that was depressing in a lot of ways because it was our home and we loved it when she recognized you have to go and get an education, you have to go and get these fruit credentials. these are the things that are necessary to survive in 21st century america. i don't have them, unless you get them, you're going to suffer in the same ways that i have. so that was the plan. it was always the family is going to have to depend on me. i'm going to be the guy who had an opportunity and so i to get my stuff together and try to do as well as i can. so that was sort of the source, i guess, of my ambition and recognition. if i didn't have it -- it wasn't like you could just sort of tread water. in a really impactful way. and so i knew that that had happened so i worked really hard in college. i was a terrible high schooler. i nearly failed out of freshman year of high school. i was a terrible student. but worked really hard in college and things worked out. you get the right test scores and all of a sudden i am in law

school. it's crazy. >> tucker: there are a lot of law schools you could have gone to print you could have gone to wayne state in detroit or take one. but he went to the law school that puts more people in the supreme court the 90 there law school. did you recognize at the time that that was going to catapult you into a completely different world? >> no. i had no idea what eventually would come of it. obviously the book and a ton of connections and things like that. so is transformative. i knew it would give me stability. i was sort of all i really want to. i didn't have friends from college, even for my hometown who had gone on to do things in the professional world. i sort of knew if you get into a really good law school, you're set for life. that was kind of the way i thought about it is like i will be able to provide for my family. my kids won't have to worry about the things that we had to worry about when i was a kid. i will be able to support my wife and children. that sort of all it really meant to me. i didn't realize it would plug me into this totally different

segment of society. my grandma was this woman who is completely optimistic about the american dream. we can do anything because we are americans and that's our birthright to become whoever we can become. and i don't think that any of us were realized how genuinely different that's part of society is. and so no, i had no idea. i just want to stability. that was my ticket to stability. i didn't realize it would basically put me in an entirely different social class. >> tucker: did you talk about social cross explicitly? >> never explicitly, just there are opportunities out there. there are things you have to do in order to make it. it was never about social class. as always if you want to make it, you have to do x, y, and z. she sort of instinctively understood that for whatever reason, our community wasn't able to support that many success stories. we went that will be us for us tonight for thanks for thinking of us. you can watch full episodes

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