thank you, panel. it tomorrow on "special report" a high school gym teacher sues for reinstatement after suspension for sharing his religious beliefs at a school board meeting. thank you for watching "special report," i am shannon bream in washington. please join me for "fox news @ night" at midnight eastern, we will be monitoring the results of that special congressional election in new mexico we told you earlier but for now it's time for speed 25 hosted by ben dominic's. it starts right now. >> ben: thank you, shannon and welcome to fox news prime time. yesterday i came to you to talk about the 1970s, how much they resemble our challenge today and how they are different. tonight i want to go back a little further in our history. 60 years ago last week in a rare midday joint session on capitol hill, president john f. kennedy set an incredible goal for the nation. he announced to the congress that i believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal before this decade is out of landing a man on the moon and returning him

safely to earth. >> no single space project in this period will be more impressive to mankind or more important to the long-range explosion of space and none will be so difficult or expensive to accomplish. but in a very real sense, it will not be one man going to the moon. we make this judgment affirmatively, it will be an entire nation. all of us must work to put him there. >> ben: it's worth your time to watch the speech and not just to laugh at lbj working so hard to be in every frame. it seems like it comes not just from a different time, but from a different country. in his call for a project of immense national import president kennedy comes across as a leader of a free people committing us to a clear eyed task of achieving something that seemed utterly impossible. he has none of the lecturing attitude of philosopher king want to be barack obama, the bombast of a reality show star

like donald trump or the weary old man shakes fist at cloud energy of joe biden. instead of patronizing the audience, he walks them with clear language tricks language important. he speaks to us as citizens, not subjects. kennedy cedy called us to undere the moon shot as a free people for the good of all mankind. such a national megaproject commitment with a nine year horizon is basically unthinkable today. the politics of the 1960s allowed ford those of today do not. to grasp how significant this project was, consider this passage. the critical path organization of the apollo project disclosed some 2 million tasks that had to be successfully accomplished before the human astronauts were to be returned safely to spaceship earth. nasa's apollo man put a scientifically and technically competent control group to work to identify all approximately 2 million tasks, a man which required technological

performances, design, production and successful operation of which had never been undertaken by humans. this isn't just a president taking on a risky aim, he's taking on an impossible aim or one that would today seem impossible involving a million new tasks never before achieved. keep in mind this was in the midst of a cold war we thought we were losing. americans were spirited. if troops had just entered vietnam to fight the chinese i'm of the soviets had beaten us into space with sputnik and with the first man in space. china had fallen to mao, cuba had fallen just a few years after that. the president gave this audacious speech less than two months after the bay of pigs. the energy had the bomb. americans were afraid of a nuclear holocaust but jfk understood america needed this win. for a president to give such a speech today, every turn would emphasize the needs of a particular constituency, assuring people that the

contractor jobs building rockets would be good paying union jobs, that hiring would be done based on historical equity, not racist math and that of course will get all the necessary permissions from the united nations, the e.u., and the w.h.o. about the health and environmental ramifications of rocket fumes. and of course the speech would be picked apart as sacrificing science on the altar of cold war political victories. the press would denounce it. why not spend that money on the ground come on people who needed instead of some far-fetched vision of putting a man on the moon? they call it propaganda instead of idealism and it probably be quoting anonymous sources from inside nasa disputing the president's aim as full hardy. from larry and michael allen's patriots history of united states, newly released tapes from the kennedy library of a key 1962 discussion with nasa administrator james webb revealed that he repeatedly resisted kennedy's efforts to turn the u.s. space program into a narrowly focused lunar expedition. jfk wanted a propaganda victory, pure and simple.

everything we do in space, he said, ought to be tied to getting to the moon out of the russians. he then in the table for the administered are saying that beating the russians to the moon is the top priority of the space agency and except for defense, the top priority of the united states government. there's another troublesome aspect to consider here. the apollo megaproject was primarily a civilian operation. with the exception of the astronauts themselves who were drawn mostly from the military. today such an undertaking will most certainly be handed to the armed forces with a flag officer placed in charge. see for example the use of generals for operation warp speed. our generals are good at everything it seems these days but winning wars. what does that say about the state of the republic? one where our trust for every major institution with the exception of the military has decayed beyond the point of usefulness and audacious endeavors? well, nasa still serves an import function, the private doctor has taken over the true

moon shot engineering tasks but it's worth remembering what was supposed to happen following the fulfillment of kennedy's vision and what happened instead. you see, apollo was supposed to be a beginning, not an end. nasa's space task group by 1969 envisions a first phase of apollo setting permanent shelters on the moon by 1973. permanent lunar habitation likely with supporting space station infrastructure was envisioned by 1980. a mars expedition building on the lunar experience was slated for 1983. instead of this study american progress towards colonizing the solar system, the final three apollo missions were scrubbed. instead, we spent the money on low earth orbit missions where we've stayed for most of the past half-century. those missions are of course not without risk. my first memory a searing one familiar to so many children of the '80s, the challenger explosion. but that is not the reason we go to space. it is not the highest mountain. it's not lindbergh crossing the atlantic and it's not why rice

plays texas. we are meant to push farther, to sail for further shores than this. it gives me great pride is un-american that in 296,000 years when voyager two trends slides by the binary series system, the brightest star in the sky is cracked open by the giant rotating blocks of ice in the darkness of space, its onboard system will play the golden record contained inside and if anyone is around to hear the sound, they won't just hear beethoven or mozart or bach, no, any species who can hear will hear who we were, the americans, the brash wilderness people who hurled this primitive rocket beyond the limits of our solar system to reach out into the stars. they will hear the opening riff of chuck berry's "johnny be good." perhaps the best lesson to take away from this historical anniversary then is less about what america has lost in our institutions or our ambitions over the past 60 years and more what could be regained with a

return to a form of leadership that tolerates and accepts political risk as part of what is demanded of them. risk is not something we handle well is americans these days. the pandemic surely proved that point better than anything else could. but it's not just fear in the face of disease. we live in a country where teenagers don't want to get drivers licenses, where our schools can't fail kids for giving the wrong answers, were teachers refused to teach even with precautions and vaccinations and were local authorities won't put down riots. jfk called the nation today are and then died as a result. we pushed forward. it's one thing for a single daredevil or even 22 take on such a risk. it's a lot more for a country to do so. in kennedy's framing 60 years ago, our common identity as americans is what unites us. rather than stoke the division of race or class, he focused her energies toward an incredible goal. rather than a series of apologies and hand-wringing over the sins of the past or any lack

of clarity about our foe and the soviets, kennedy's message was that unity in our american ethos can launch us to the stars. the american spirit is still there. it still beats in the heart of this great nation. but we need to honor it and unite around it again. and that will require more than just a fine speech from a politician. it will require something of you as well. it will require you to wake up. i'm ben domenech and this is the american crisis. joining me now, newt gingrich, former speaker of the house and fox news contributor. he is the author of "trump of the american future." it's always great to speak to you, speaker gingrich, someone i consider a mentor and who as you can see i've been following around since i was 13 years old. >> [laughs] >> ben: ! >> oh, my god. >> ben: dear member that? >> i don't think i'd ever seen that before. >> ben: yes. >> that's amazing. >> ben: i want to talk about

this goal that we have in this country of getting back to doing great things. and as you know, i feel like this is something that really ought to unite us. it ought to bring us together, it ought to inspire us each as americans. what can we do to get back to that point? >> well, one of the greatness of the american system is the government, in the end, not at the center of our being. we are not the soviet union, we are not communist china, we are not cuba. we are, despite every effort of the left, we are still a free people and you can see that in space. the greatest breakthroughs in space right now are coming from two or three entrepreneurs and they are just doing it and i must abide in administration finds a way to cripple them, they are almost certainly going to take us to the moon and there almost certainly going to take us to mars and you're going to find your family having the option i think by the time that

they are 20, 25 years old to be able to consider seriously going to mars. these are not small things. it's ironic for people who sometimes complain about immigration. elon musk is one of the great contributors to america's future and he does it because it fills his ego needs. he didn't fill out a form for the government. the government has funded some of his projects, but he's undertaken things nobody thought possible. i also think that we have to look at, you know, if you wanted a really great goal for america, it would be to decide that every american who is truly going to have the ability to pursue happiness and that would require overhauling the schools. it would require providing physical safety and our biggest cities. it would require changing the tax law to make it very easy to run a small business. but if we took it seriously, roll up our sleeves, my guess is

within a decade, we would be a dramatically different country than we are right now. >> ben: speaker, i feel like we need to be on more of a cold war footing when it comes to our relationship with china. they have undertaken a war against us in terms of sending fentanyl over that has killed so many americans. we see their support in alaska of the type of race-based politics that are designed to split us apart internally. what can we do to achieve more of a cold war mind-set about our relationship with china in a time when so many people seem to be compromised by it at the highest levels of corporate america and of government? >> well, we are right now exactly where we were between 1945 -- world war ii, we didn't have to ought to have a cold war. we didn't want to have the soviet union as an adversary but they give us no choice and over

time would toughened up. we gradually created institutions to contain them. i will give you a very simple example. a bill has been introduced to allow people to sue china over covid but of course everyone knows even if you won the lawsuit, they wouldn't pay anything. we should establish a 30% tariff on all chinese goods so that we could build a trust fund and pay off the enormous debt that china owes the united states and i'd recommend every country in the world impose a 30% tariff because the truth is the chinese caused what was the chinese virus, trump was right. all this political correctness is nonsense. the chinese lied to and manipulated the world health organization. the chinese bear the responsibility for allowing this virus to get out of control and these have to be real things. this is not about words. when we were facing the soviet union we built a strategic air command, the

central intelligence agency, we created the modern air force, we created nato to protect europe, seco to protect southeast asia, we were deeply engaged in real things and xi jinping is not stupid. until we do real things that have a real impact, he's just going to think it's just a bunch of politicians over your prattling until figure that he can influence most of them. >> ben: i think, mr. speaker, that we have a situation now where unfortunately we have someone of politicians who are asleep at the wheel on this and are not paying attention to how important it is for the future of the country. thank you so much for joining me this evening. >> thank you. >> ben: coming up, what's the biggest threat facing america in 2021? our inherent racism, of course. >> president biden: terrorism from white supremacy is the most lethal threat in the homeland today. not isis, not al qaeda.

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♪ ♪ >> ben: joe biden visiting oklahoma today, marking the hundredth anniversary of the tulsa massacre. one of the worst incidents of racial violence in american history. in 1921, what's a pharmacist attacked a wealthy black community killing countless residents and burning down homes and businesses. it's a tragedy that must be remembered and memorialized, but in joe biden's mind, the nation has apparently made no progress since then. there's a what's a premises lurking on every corner and it got to be stopped. >> president biden: hate has never been defeated, it only hides. it hides. and given a little bit of oxygen, just a little bit of oxygen by its leaders, it comes

out from under the rock like it was happening again, as if it never went away. terrorism from which the premises is the most lethal threat to the homeland today. not isis, not al qaeda. my head administration will soon lay out our broader strategy to counter domestic terrorism and the violence by the most heinous hate crimes and other forms of bigotry. >> ben: joining me now, jason riley, "wall street journal" columnist and author of "maverick," thanks for coming on. >> good to be here. >> ben: what was your reaction to the president's comments today? >> well, ben, i don't have a problem with commemorating events like this. i think it's important to do so, but as we heard from the president, the left is far more interested in using these events to push a political agenda. racial preferences, or government program and so forth. i think the importance of this

event is that it shows how far we've come as a nation in terms of racial progress, but they have an entirely different agenda that they're trying to push. it's interesting, and it's not talked about a lot but the residents of tulsa rebuilt and they rebuilt quite quickly, within 20 years. homes were rebuilt, churches were rebuilt and black businesses were rebuilt and once again anchoring that black community. they did not sit around back then and wait for a government program to help come rescue them. they knew better than to do that. whereas in the run-up to the remarks today, the white house released some initiatives about helping black businesses specifically. i think that's a dubious legality to begin with, but these are what the left wants to use these events to promote. >> ben: your book was something that i think everyone should read because of the importance that he ought to have as a finger within our current

conversation. there's so much richness there in his work over the years. i feel like he's underappreciated unfortunately and hope that your book helps to change that. what are some of the lessons that you think are key to take away from his work that we ought to think about and consider today in our current climate? >> well, tom was a straight shooter. he's someone who tells it like it is. he's an honest intellectual and that might be something that doesn't seem like a big deal but in today's environment there are a lot of scholars, a lot of public intellectuals who are much more interested in being politically correct and being popular than they are in telling the truth and that is not tom's before and i think that ability to be plainspoken, to be fearless is why he should be better known and why he's appreciated by people who are familiar with his work. the other issue here is that the type of people that are praised

today, that are better known than tom, people like eve arm or nicole hannah jones, tom has written circles around those individuals. his scholarship has been not only far more wide-ranging but also deeper and more rigorous and i -- and i -- and i -- i was quite disturbed that those others are better known than tom sowell grade i think he is an underrated figure and i'm hoping the book will bring them to the attention of more people, particularly more young people. >> ben: i have given thomas sowell books probably more than any other author to friends of minds saying you need to read this and i think when it comes to what you're trying to do here and putting him more the center that intellectual conversation could not be more timely considering the kind of people that you're talking about who really have not done the type of scholarship that he has. jason, thank you so much for taking the time to join me tonight. >> thank you.

>> ben: now to a student led campaign to oust a university of london politics professor period eric kaufman has been a vocal critic of woke culture on campus. a student group is accusing him from being an "what's a pharmacist and apologist" -- there is a white's a premises professor in the halls teaching and grading and supervising migrant and students of color. how can our school call itself a diverse and truly diverse university if it employs such an important figure for whites of pharmacy and seen a phobic hostility? the professor is the author of "white shift" and he's here to respond. your book is phenomenal and it explains so much that has happened in politics in the past several decades. had some point i assumed that the council culture would come cometo for you. are you surprised at the nature of it and what is your response to it?

>> i'm really not surprised and this is certainly not their first attempt. it's a small group of radical students with some faculty that they are linked with and some people on twitter. they've gone for me before. i mean, this one got somewhat more publicity but it's just a modus operandi. they try and sort of stretch the meaning in terms of racism and whites of pharmacy, something we are all familiar with so example rated for outlets like willette or unheard or doing reports for a think tank called policy exchange, which is the main conservative think tank here in britain, all of that makes me a white supremacist apparently. so yeah, i don't take it too seriously. we are kind of lucky here in britain that the conservative government has been very strong on academic freedom, has no drafted an academic freedom bill, so that makes it very, very difficult for anybody to be canceled. much easier in the u.s. environment for academics i think to essentially be pushed out of their jobs.

>> ben: you anticipated my next question, which is essentially that i see this type of thing happening for people who are maybe less prominent than you but are certainly getting targets on their backs at universities across the country today. what can we do or what ought we to do in terms of defending their ability to do the kind of academic research that you do that has been so valuable in terms of understanding our political moment? >> i think the foundation for individual rights in education in the u.s., they've done a great job bringing lawsuits to try and protect academics, still that is a very suboptimal, because in a way to go through the lawsuit process is emotionally exhausting and it takes a big toll. you'd rather not have that problem. and that's why they think only of government intervention is going to work here in britain, essentially the government is empowering the new office that will have the power to investigate claims where people's academic freedom has been violated. universities are under an obligation to not just defend but promote academic freedom and

elevated most importantly above claims of emotional safety, harm, that might be defined as harassment by activists, so that puts a very strong signal, they are really breathing down the neck, proactively applying the law, not waiting for people to sue. you need that back in, you need that proactive investigatory powers in order to keep universities from bending to the winds of these activists is not going to happen with a hands-off libertarian approach. it can only happen with an interventionist approach from government. >> ben: i think that unfortunately -- i wish it didn't have to be but i think you are unfortunately correct about this. professor, your work is excellent, it's essential and it's the kind of thing people need to pay attention to and i'm glad that you're out there saying this. i worry about those who are silent at the same time who might be doing this type of research. thank you so much for joining me this evening. >> thanks, ben. >> ben: up next we have an exclusive interview with the virginia gym teacher who was suspended after saying this.

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lot about this story and i was pretty shocked to see the kind of reaction that you received for what seems to me to have been things that virtually every american believed until about 5 minutes ago. were you surprised by it? did you know what i never skewer running when you said what you said? >> i was little surprised by it. here in america, we love our free speech and teachers are just like everybody else. we have political views, we have religious views and we like to advocate for those views and not be punished for it but it kind of feels like it's going in that direction. >> ben: just in terms of your case and the kind of thing that you're bringing forward, what can be argued in terms of the court system in defense of someone who clearly is trying to exercise not just their free speech rights but their freedom of religion as well? >> well, the first amendment is

very clear that public schools can't punish and retaliate against teachers simply for sharing their beliefs and opinions. the school board invited public comment to a proposed policy and all tanner did was respond to that request and give his opinion and yet he was punished for it. and that shouldn't be. both his free speech and his free exercise rights were violated and who's really advocating for all teachers to be able to have the right to express their opinion without being punished. >> ben: tanner, one of the things that i have seen happen in the past couple of years recently is that you have all of these different social changes that are pushed through without any kind of friction pushing back against them that essentially they are coming over the top backed by corporate america, backed by a lot of different government administrators but they require someone to basically be the friction, to stand up against them, push back against it and say no i'm not going to move on

this. is that something you thought through when you went and said what you said? did you think of yourself in that capacity? or was this something that just kind of came up on you was unexpected? >> ben, you know, i was thinking about my students and other teachers out there that may be afraid to express how they feel in this day and age that we are in. but you know, i invested my whole life into teaching and giving back to the community and whatever i was blessed with i wanted to bless my community with. so it started with students, it will always be about students. it's also about staff members and everybody and every american and all teachers and administrators to just speak their minds freely and be civil. >> ben: one of the things i think is so true about your experience here and i hope that you appreciate is that you're doing this, standing up on this issue, it's going to embolden

other people to support you and to reach out to you i hope and let you know that this is important to them as well. have you experienced that yet? >> i have. i've gotten a lot of praise, to be quite honest with you, ben, and -- there is a lot of folks that believe in what we believe. even students, families have reached out to me, people from all of the country. everybody has been very nice and kind of praising what i did. >> ben: well, i think that your issue and what you're confronting there in loudoun county is going to be spreading across the country in a very big way and so your case in every thing that you bring i think is going to be one that attracts a lot of attention for that reason. tanner, thank you so much for taking the time to join us tonight. >> thank you, ben, thanks again for having us on. >> ben: is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu is issuing a stark warning to the e biden administration. israel will do everything in its

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>> ben: benjamin netanyahu is willing to risk friction with united states to prevent a return to the iran nuclear deal. that comes sb 15 may be in his final days as prime minister is opposition leaders try to form a block to oust him from power. joining me now is ariel davidson, senior policy analyst -- thank you so much for joining me today. >> thanks for having me tonight, ben. speeone's hotel is a little bit as americans what our perspective ought to be about what's going on in israeli politics at the moment. >> right now what we are seeing in israeli politics is deeply disconcerting because essentially what would happen is netanyahu is no longer prime minister's we would have a unity government which would be divided between two israeli politicians. what's interesting about the two of these politicians is that they share virtually nothing in common when it comes to actual policies. then it is a staunch

right winger, and actually liberal centrist. they are the only glue that holds them together is that they are anti-bibi. this is really the never netanyahu coalition. and it's a little bit -- i would say sort of disturbing because from our perspective in the united states, you know, we want stability and we want -- we want reliability and we are not necessarily going to see that because this coalition that's forming, this coalition of change, they are advertising themselves as being pro-democracy and rule of law but again, the only thing that unites them is that they are anti-bibi. >> ben: nothing that is so concerning i think for a lot of americans is that we've seen netanyahu stand up over and over again for israel's interests over the past many years and obviously his career and i think a lot of americans are concerned that the biden administration frankly is not taking a serious look at defense of israel as an ally in this moment, that they

want to get that iran deal juice started again. of what should americans be thinking about this moment given that we might have a shift in leadership? is this something that the biden administration really wants, and what does it mean for potentially helping iran's interest? >> absolutely. i think what americans should see first and foremost is that there is a certain level of hypocrisy taking place. the recent operation that we saw in gaza, the united states was actually very supportive of israel and that was good, but what's happening simultaneously and sort of behind the scenes is that the biden administration had a special envoy in vienna negotiating with iran and the sad part about this is that all of those rockets that we saw flying into israel from gaza were funded by iran, so what's going on in vienna right now, what you mentioned, these negotiations to reenter the iran deal, that i think is very damaging to u.s. interests, it's very damaging to israeli

interests and it actually promotes widespread instability in the middle east and so i think americans should be looking long and hard at the biden administration's efforts to reenter the iran deal because i would say it's not in the best interest of the united states, especially since we are coming to the bargaining table and saying that we would be lifting sanctions on iran. >> ben: it's complete lee backwards and takes every long lesson from recent experience. thank you so much for taking the time to join me tonight. >> thanks for having me tonight, ben. >> ben: of the conflict between israel and palestine simmers there's a war of words happening online adding fuel to an already hot anti-semitic fire. writer eve barlow calls it the [indiscernible]. an article detailing her own experience with online he/she says "it turns out that vehement online anti-zionism inspires people to engage in anti-semitic violence off-line, endangering jews as a result. they've been targeted with fire,

fists and human spirit. who knew this could happen? well, we did and we tried to make noise about it." joining me now the author of that piece. thanks so much for coming on. >> thank you, ben. >> ben: i'm c furious about the kinds of things i'm seeing her across social media today and fueling this type of violence against jews in america. how should we react to that for those of us were not jews in order to support our friends in this moment and also push back against the acceptability or tolerance of this type of violence against our fellow americans? >> yeah, i mean, what we are seeing right now is a historic pattern in which anti-jewish hatred, anti-semitism is risen again, it's not just on the rise, it's risen in the conflict between israel and hamas has given anti-semites the permission to attack jews in the streets in cities around the world, regardless of their

politics, regardless of whether or not they support the state of israel. this is an attack on jews and it has given permission to people because of the vehement hatred and language that they are seeing around this online because of the propaganda that is being spread. of course there are a lot of people that are spreading this propaganda that don't realize that it's anti-semitic to do so, but they are being pelted by millions, hundreds of thousands of retweets of misinformation that is being shared by celebrities, by people who don't understand the history, the factual truth of the situation, and who are spreading mass propaganda about this conflict that then enables anti-semitism to exist in the streets. we know by now that what happens online does have off-line consequences. this is a really frightening example of how that is manifesting against jewish people. >> ben: the word that you just

used their that's so important as propaganda. i feel like in this era of social media, celebrities -- it used to be that the liberties were just kind of like dumb people that we put up with saying stupid things occasionally but now when they are sharing propaganda to millions of followers, it has a way of spreading. how can we push back against that? >> the reason why i came up with the term social media [indiscernible] and i realize that is a very emotional term and it has created an emotional reaction because the programs have been happening for thousands of years. they are massacres that occurs in places where jews live that dried and expel jews out from places where they live in the societies they live in and the reason i use this with regards to social media is because this is the first time we are seeing such an uptick in anti-semitism while social media is an asset of our life and what is happening to jewish people and non-jewish people who are highlighting anti-semitic

violence on their social media platform is that we are being ousted from those platforms. we are being trolled, we are being hated online, we are being sent death threats. we are being called libelous things such as racists, f no state fantasists, a parlor, apartheid apologists and evil liars. these are all of the things that are being pelted at people regardless of whether they are jews or nonjews when they have the bravery to speak the truth on this matter on the internet. so it's an expulsion of voices who are trying to counteract this. >> ben: eve, i think you're just an incredibly brave voice to speak out on this issue and thank you for taking the time to join us tonight. >> thanks. >> ben: up next, if aliens are real, we better go find them before they find us. we will talk to an astrophysicist who is rattling the scientific community with his claims about ufos after

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♪ ♪ >> ben: we don't know what they are aware they came from, but we know that ufos are real, so what are we going to do about them and why is nobody freaking out? harvard astrophysicist joins us now. thanks so much for coming on sunday. >> thank for having me. >> ben: we had a great conversation recently on my podcast about the theories that you advance in your book and everything that we've learned about ufos recently. why do you think it is that so many americans seem to be dismissive of this or not paying attention to it when it should be i think one of the biggest stories that we are all talking about? >> i do think the general public is very interested it's just that the scientific community very often ridicules the subject, which would be guided by evidence and in the context of ufos, we should get more data on these and make it part

of the scientific research that we have. >> ben: it seems to me that we need to have more transparency towards all of these things so that you don't have kind of a fictionalized version of it that is thought up by people. why has that been so difficult? >> well, because people prefer to be in their comfort zone and one reason i'm interested in seeking intelligence in space is because i don't often find it here on earth. the first interstellar objects that we discovered in the sky called [indiscernible], it means scout and the hawaiian language. that's where the telescope was in hawaii that discovered it and it didn't look like anything we have seen before. not like a comet or an asteroid and it had so many anomalies that i described in my book. it's basically a wake-up call for us to search every object that comes into the solar system

from outside and experience should be just like walking on the beach and most of the time you see rocks or seashells that are naturally produced but every now and then you might see a plastic bottle that tells you there is [indiscernible] out there. >> ben: we started the conversation tonight with a conversation about the moon shot 16 years ago. what can we do to get more and more young people more interested in space and in this kind of research going forward? >> well, i do think that the future of humanity is in space because currently all our eggs are in one basket here on earth and there is the risk that a major catastrophe will destroy everything that is precious to us and we do need to think about spreading our eggs in multiple baskets and that means going to other planets in the solar system or even beyond and i do think there is a lot of excitement with the apollo program and it sort of died out

and it's about time to rekindle it. >> ben: professor, thanks so much for taking the time to join us as always. >> thanks for having me. >> ben: thank you for watching "fox news primetime." i'm ben domenech, we will be back tomorrow night at seven. until then be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." hope you had the best weekend. if you're a middle-aged american, some of us are, you can probably still dimly remember back to what things used to be like for this country, say 13 or 14 months ago. way back then before the revolution, pretty much everybody agreed that segregation was the worst thing this country ever did. forcing certain categories