it. >> ben: professor, thanks so much for taking the time to join us as always. >> thanks for having me. >> ben: thank you for watching "fox news primetime." i'm ben domenech, we will be back tomorrow night at seven. until then be lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." hope you had the best weekend. if you're a middle-aged american, some of us are, you can probably still dimly remember back to what things used to be like for this country, say 13 or 14 months ago. way back then before the revolution, pretty much everybody agreed that segregation was the worst thing this country ever did. forcing certain categories of

citizens into lesser accommodations, barring them from public places, treating them like lepers or untouchables, that was completely immoral and wrong. we were told that a lot and most of us strongly agreed. it was wrong. so imagine our confusion today looking out across the country. the very same people, literally the very same who just the other day told us that segregation was immoral are now enforcing segregation. should we be surprised? probably not, but we still are. just this morning "the new york times" informed us that unless you can prove you've taken the injection that the democratic party demands you take, you are no longer permitted in bars, come to clubs, even some dance competitions in the state of new york. you're too dirty to appear in public. you're not welcome near normal people. want to watch the nba playoffs in person? you had better be vaccinated to do that. otherwise the new york knicks will bar you from madison square garden. you can still go see a baseball game if you want to, but be warned you will be sitting in your own roped off section

marinating in your shame with the other disobedient bad people. medical jim crow has come to america. we still had water films, the unvaccinated would have separate ones. but wait, you ask, is this logical, does it make sense? why would people who had the vaccine fear being near people who had the vaccine. artifacts and it protected, isn't that the whole point of getting the shot? may be from a health perspective that is technically true if you want to be precise about it but it's clearly not but health or science, it's bigger than that. it's about good and evil. it's about discovering who is a decent person and who by contrast deserves to be punished for sin. it's about finding out who has obeyed and thankfully, once again, technology is coming to the rescue. watch. >> it's called -- the denver position says it's the first of its kind on the market. it costs $19.99 and it's simple to use.

after buying it, you sent a copy of her vaccination card and they will load it to their encrypted server. several months to verify your vaccine record, all they have to do is take a picture of the qr code on their phone and it will take them to that website. >> tucker: it's easy! it's got a qr code! you just send a copy of your vaccination card! just show your papers and then you can participate in the life of your country. in new york the state is doing this by itself, it's issuing something called the excelsior pass. the excelsior pass entitles you to all the rights and freedoms you imagine you were born with but that turned out to be entirely contingent on whether you do exactly what andrew cuomo says to do immediately. officials in new york have assured us the excelsior pass is totally safe, it's every bit as safe as a state licensed nursing home, and it's utterly confidential. it's a lockbox. your personal health information cannot be hacked by anyone apart of course from hackers, people who actually tried to hack it. last month for example a man

called albert broke into the excelsior pass in just 11 minutes. but other than that you're completely fine. so more than a million people have downloaded the excelsior pass and that's a victory for public health. but it does make you wonder, is this the end or is it the beginning? why should it end here? the coronavirus is transmissible and it can be dangerous, but it's hardly the only illness that fits that description. there are many. so if politicians can segregate potential covid carriers from the rest of the american population, why can't they do the same thing to people with hiv or tuberculosis or hepatitis c to before you laugh off the possibility of that happening, see if you can answer the core question. why wouldn't that happen? and of course at this point there really isn't a reason that it wouldn't happen because the precedent has been set and by the way, say goodbye to those hippo protections you thought you had. used to be illegal to demand

people's confidential medical information. what's illegal now is trying to hide it. severe penalties for anyone who dares to forge a vaccine card, so don't even think about it. we used to spend quite a bit of time worrying about scenarios. back in 2003 a federal judge in washington ruled that the government cannot force an unapproved vaccine on its citizens. at the time a defense department wanted to inoculate them. some soldiers didn't want to, dod tried to make them take it and then the judge emmet sullivan stepped in. he said this. "absent an informed consent, the united states cannot demand the members of the armed forces services serve as guinea pigs for extremity drugs." he was not attacked on that. at the time it was seen as a victory for civil liberties. how will it be seen now? it would be seen, actually it would be denounced as a win for

qanon because make no mistake, the only people who have not been vaccinated at this point are trump photos and other dangerous whites from assists because they are the only ones evil enough to threaten this nation's public health. we've learned that repeatedly on television. here's an example. >> now the narrative has entirely changed, and it's about republican's, mostly men, white male republicans who don't want to get the shot. >> brian, that is no group in america more likely to say no i'm not going to get the covid vaccine than white republican men. >> why don't they want it? these white men who by and large work trumpers? >> republican white men who seem to take pride in it about refusing this vaccine. it's also dangerous. we know that the vaccine hesitancy rates are rising amongst white republican men. there actually is very little vaccine hesitancy at the moment between african-americans and latino communities.

>> tucker: you. you're not surprised. it's always the same people, isn't it? goes white republican men, the very ones that just today joe biden warned us are more dangerous than isis. these are the people who have been beating up elderly asian women in our cities, you've seen that plague unfold. these are the ones who don't believe in science, who have no decency, they are the problem. just the other day joe biden's grumpy little flat told us that she had found new ways to reach these recalcitrant mouth breeders. >> we've run psa's on the deadliest catch, we are engaged with nascar, we're looking for creative ways to get directly connected to white conservative communities. >> tucker: it's the white men again. it's the ones who like country music and nascar. the white republican men are dangerous and they can sit at the back of the bus, they can walk. they should be allowed in public buildings. you just heard it in very clear terms, no group in america is

more likely to turn down the vaccine then "white republican men." we heard that so many times that just the other day we decided to check the number because not all the numbers you hear even from the podium at the white house are true. so here are the real numbers as collected by the u.s. government. well, look at that. it turns out, and we know you're shocked, they are lying again. in fact, what they are saying is the opposite of the truth. as of two weeks ago, 50% of asian-americans had been vaccinated against covid. that number among white americans was about 40%. among african-americans it was 27%. among hispanics, it was 29%. so this has implications. we are going to make the "unvaccinated" to sit in their own unfashionable little section of mlb games, it's going to make for some pretty embarrassing photographs sometime soon because it seems like the new

segregation looks a lot like the old segregation and we wonder how they are going to explain that. can't wait to hear it. in the meantime, we are happy to be joined for an assessment of all of this by our friend candace owens. to see you. [laughs] i'm sorry to laugh, it's a serious subject, i think there are all kinds of important implications for civil liberties going forward, but once you check their numbers on almost any claim, it turns out not simple to be off by a standd deviation, but it's like the inverse of the reality every time. >> you're absolutely right and i'm so glad that you're talking about medical segregation because it's something really important i want to say. and so often hindsight is 20/20. you look back and you say i don't understand how people living at that time allowed these atrocities to take place. i don't understand how people living during the time of jim crow allow this atrocity to take place based off of the color of people's skin. well, tucker, we're living in those times right now. people don't actually recognize that. we're living right now in a time

where you have an entire ecosystem of people telling you discrimination is okay and by the way, it's always the same characters that force the discrimination. it's always the government that say it's okay. it's always the media that says it's okay. the media is making fun in saying this is fine, this is an acceptable kind of discrimination, it was the same during the era of jim crow. most people don't know this but "the new york times" for example, back in the day when "new york times" was -- the ku klux klan, they referred to them as amiable. they met again at this event, they made it seem as though there was something fundamentally wrong with black americans, they were dumber, dirtier, they deserve this treatment. this is exactly what they're doing again years later. they are reintroducing the same type of propaganda to convince people that this form of discrimination is actually okay. you need this, it's for your safety. it's always for your safety and they do this across many other societies. they've done this always in right now the democrats are at the helm. jen psaki isn't located here, joe biden isn't located here.

right now we have an administration that is reintroducing segregation again in this country under the guise of medical safety. >> tucker: and it has nothing to do with medical safety of course because people who have been vaccinated are, by their own logic, safe. they are not going to get infected, they have been vaccinated. hundred million americans, they're about, have recovered from the virus and have active antibodies. they are not carriers, they are not going to get it themselves. if you're going by the science, none of these laws or regulations would even occur to you. >> that's exact me right but also don't forget, tucker, that science is always convenient. the government always uses signs like a tool. during that aggressive era it was science that taught you the black americans were dumber than white americans, it was scientific. they had proved it scientifically that black americans are dumber and therefore they did not want blacks and whites -- they manipulate society when they want to discriminate against a certain group of people. right now they are bent on

discriminating against trumpets boards, it is committing against conservatives, even with lies. not even with the actual numbers. you are correct to assess that black people are externally hesitant about the vaccine for good reason. the government has lied to black people a lot in the past so they are not trusting the government, they are not trusting the science that seems to change every couple of days depending on what dr. fauci is feeling like in the morning. >> tucker: why does no one say that? i mean, if 27% of african-americans have been vaccinated, which is to say 73% haven't, if half the cdc and nih employees haven't been vaccinated, if you really wanted to vaccinate all population, you would make the pitch to them. you wouldn't use this opportunity to attack and demonize your political enemies. this has nothing to do with politics, does it? the point is to divide. >> that's exactly right. it has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with politics. from the very beginning covid-19 is been used by a political tool by the left to go after their enemies, to radically introduce change in his country and in my

opinion to create a totalitarian system of full and under government control under joe biden and the democrats. we have seen this over and over again, trying to change election laws. there are so many things we can talk abut here but what we are talking about today is dangerous. we are talking about segregation, so people need to get on board and realize you are living in that time right now. you have a decision to stand up right now and say i don't care how i feel about my neighbor, this is wrong. there should not be segregated section for people at any sporting event or anyone else in his country. >> that's right, show us your blood test and lots of people have plenty of people -- have been vaccinated and if you're asked what your vaccine status, i think the appropriate response is "up yours," on principle, don't answer the question. candace owens, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> tucker: every time you dig into the numbers you learn something really surprising and so it's worth looking at the actual numbers. not the lies they are telling you. here's a number worth looking

at. who's getting rich from the vaccines? we have similar information on that tonight. trace gallagher has the story for us. hey, trace. >> the math here is pretty basic. pharmaceutical companies like moderna have seen their stock prices explode over the past year for two reasons. one, investors believe their vaccine profits will be enormous, and two, the companies have monopoly control over vaccine production, so the profit streams will continue to be enormous. as a result the vaccines have now minted nine brand-new billionaires and five of them are associated with moderna including ceo and chairman. three other moderna early investors are also now billionaires. biotech ceo and founder is also on the list along with three founders of the chinese vaccine company. and on top of the nine new billionaires, the vaccines gave eight existing billionaires an

additional $32 billion to mess around with. all told, the new and old billionaires took in about 51 billion. the people's vaccine alliance says that's enough to vaccinate everyone in india as well as additional 800 -- that have so far gotten a very small share of the vaccine supply. critics also point out the vaccines were largely financed by taxpayer money and say the companies should end monopolies to help boost production. the german company says it took a risk by spending billions in private money and deserves to be rewarded. tucker. >> tucker: trace gallagher. thanks so much for that. >> yep. >> tucker: meanwhile, the entire american news media -- nbc news, cnn -- have become pitchmen for the pharma companies. you notice that? pretty amazing. the state of new york has announced a criminal investigation into the former president, the trump organization that he ran.

donald trump jr. is here next to give us the very latest on that and to respond to those charges. plus, it is now fashionable to claim that there are no differences between men and women. it's just exactly the same. just clay in our hand, we are god. ron desantis has just signed a law defending biological reality, nature itself. the governor of florida joins us. ♪ ♪

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not very often though. and yet as soon as she was elected attorney general of new york, letitia james promised that she would investigate the trump organization. at the time she didn't identify a crime that she alleged they committed. she went for it anyway. now she's confirmed she has started a criminal probe into the former president's business deals and she still has not yet identified a crime. donald trump jr. is the executive vice president of the trump organization. he joins us in a buried thanks so much for coming on. what is this investigation about do you think? >> i think everyone's been trying to figure that out for five years. i think it's a political persecution and i know that because she literally campaigned on it. she was going to investigate the crimes. the problem is it wasn't as though she was part of this office. she had no idea. but in new york, it's okay to try to persecute your political enemies, to try to target them, to try to hurt them and they've been doing that for over five years. so five years, no actual crime,

they are in search of a crime. if in trying to investigate to create a crime because that's what you're doing in new york. again, shouldn't surprise us anymore, but if this was going on in the banana republic, we'd be outraged. when it's going on in one of the largest states in america everyone seems to be silent on it and there's plenty of video out there for people to see. it was literally a campaign promise based on no information, based on no actual knowledge, just that you can do that in new york because of the democrat-controlled state. there's nowhere you can go, there's no one you can appeal to because you end up with another leftist judge making the decision and they are just mine going after their political enemies as well. >> tucker: so you don't like a politician, he leaves office, and then you hamstring him, threaten him with prison, forced him to rack up millions in legal bills. is there a precedent for this? have we done this to former presidents that you're aware of at any time in the american history? >> you know, i'm not. that doesn't surprise me.

i think donald trump -- you know, the trumped arrangement syndrome has brought out the worst in all of the other side but it is unprecedented and again, it's going on in america today and i think would be blood to understand, if you can go after a former president, target them for years, imagine what they could do to the regular person. we've seen sort of the corruption of the highest levels of the fbi over the last few years. you've seen them target, you know, anyone who was anywhere even remotely near the east coast on january 6th is being targeted, but people who have burned down buildings, we have taken over buildings, who have looted, committed arson, committed murder for the 12 months prior, total pass. they're not interested. this is what's going on. the entire system has been corrupted and what's worse is that there is no way to appeal it. if there is no way to stop the nonsense. in new york, crime is going through the roof. taxes are going to go through the roof. property values are going down. murder rates are skyrocketing and yet rather than using

taxpayer dollars to actually go and solve those issues to prevent the degeneration of new york even further, they're going to continue to spend those taxpayer dollars targeting their enemies and that's pretty disgusting and i think the taxpayers should be aware of that. i've seen what happened in new york city. i left for a reason. it's not a good scenario and i know a lot of guys that are big taxpayers in the city, they are fleeing for places like i did, to florida, or a much better standard of living, for a lot less taxes, for a lot less nonsense. the new york taxpayer has to be asking the question, why are you wasting my taxpayer dollars on this rather than, again, solving the uncontrolled homicide that's going on? the devaluation of real estate, et cetera, et cetera. >> tucker: people want the rule of law and when the chief law enforcement officer promises to prosecute a crime she can't describe, then you realize this is not a system based on law, it's a system based on political grudges. >> 100% and that's part of the

problem. even if they don't get anything, they get you to spend millions of dollars and that's sort of a win in and of itself and its tens of millions of dollars. >> tucker: and you've got no choice. i appreciate you coming on to explain that, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: so in one of the biggest cities in the country, we have just saw that police are no longer allowed to chase criminals. one of the applications of that policy? james craig ran the police department in detroit and ran it well for a long time. he just stepped down. he joins us next for his first interview since leaving office. ♪ ♪

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>> tucker: about two months ago on march 29th at about 2:00 a.m. on chicago's west side, residents reported hearing a series of gunshots. they called police and the police came. when they got there, body cam footage showed later a 13-year-old boy called adam toledo started running. shortly after he pulled out a

gun and started to toss it behind a fence. in that instant, the pursuing officer fired one shot and killed adam toledo. so it was a tragedy, of course, but that moment, adam toledo's death, raised a lot of important questions. for example, why is a boy was barely a teenager out in the middle of the night with a handgun. where his parents? nobody seemed interested in exploring that or any related question. how do you get a society like that? nobody cared. instead they decided on a new policy, quick fix. they banned the police from chasing people like adam toledo. that will fix it. they announced the policy in the post last week. there will be specific prohibitions to foot pursuits. they will not pursue for an offense less than a class a misdemeanor. what does that mean exactly? what crimes qualify as "less than a class a misdemeanor close call. turns out a lot of crimes. you can free flee from the

police most problem, at most that's disorderly conduct. a less serious class b misdemeanor, you can also steal someone's purse right in front of a police officer. you can mug a woman as long as there's less than $400 and that purse, you cannot be pursued. you can trespass onto private property. you can bash a store window, you can commit assault. you can do a lot of things to degrade and destroy society and there's nothing the police can do to you if you run away. it's a huge change and it's going to change chicago profoundly. so how did local media cover this? well, they just lied about it. nbc chicago for example report of the policy "prohibits chases stemming for minor traffic of interest." that's not true but the associated press said the exact same thing. "the new policy prohibits foot pursuits for minor traffic violations." but again, that's a lie. if this policy has nothing to do with minor traffic violations. it's a whole category of crimes, some of which are serious.

and it protects the people who commit them and that's why officials in the city of chicago established a lot of other restrictions on foot pursuit last week. too many obstacles in the way? no foot chases allowed. as the subject have a broken arm? you can't chase them. and on it goes. if police officers violate any part of this policy, they can be fired. but if police decide not to chase criminal suspects, no one says a word. so you think there will ever be a foot pursuit again? no. of course not. and that's the point. if there are no foot chases, if there was nobody camera footage and there's no controversy, just more crime and if there's no footage from body cams, that means people who don't live in chicago won't know the condition of the city, which is grave. they won't know that 13-year-old boys are out carrying guns in the middle of the night so chicago's leaders haven't solved the problem, but they have succeeded in burying the problem. they are just hoping you won't notice. there are city officials in

other cities who have been honest about crime and what it takes to stop it. james craig is one of them. it was the longtime chief of police in detroit. reportedly at this point considering a run for the governor of michigan. this is his first interview since he left the detroit police department and he joins us tonight. chief, thanks so much for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: we are honored as always. if a woman is mug and she's got less than 400 bucks on her purse, police can't chase the mugger, what you think that will do to chicago or any city? >> it's ridiculous, tucker. it's absurd. i've been in this business 44 years. i can't tell you how many individuals i've chased on foot to stop a violent crime. and now they want to micromanage when you can chase? it's absurd and we are now moving into an area to protect a criminal but what we never talk

about, tucker, what about the victims? what about the people that live in vulnerable communities who happen to be mostly persons of color? it's shameful. it is shameful and got to tell you, you're in detroit, they want us to do our job. >> tucker: so that was my next question. what you think people who live in neighborhoods where there's a fair amount of crime or in some cases a lot of crime, what do you think they think of this? >> they think it's ridiculous. they want you to do your job. when i got appointed to chief eight years ago, you know, people were sick and tired of crime and that police were demoralized and so we went in and very effectively and assertively took back our streets. we called it throwing parties. that's what people want. as long as you do it

constitutionally, treat people with dignity and respect -- and we do that -- but this madness. i was in chicago three weeks ago, met up with a couple of police officers who said chief, we wish you would be our chief and i said that's nice but your mayor would probably fire me within 5 minutes. she's not going to want to embrace the type of policing i believe in and i'm talking about constitutional policing that makes members of our communities feel safe. this is ridiculous, and where we headed, we are in trouble. and the folks that talk about, well, you know, we don't want police to come in communities and make arrests. we want to let violent offenders out of jail. the judges, as it stands right now in detroit, we are locking up violent felonies -- felons who are armed with weapons and they laugh at our police officers.

and say [indiscernible] before you get off your shift. that's what we are having violent crime. if you want to know why the cities or having violent crime, tucker, it's because of one thing: the judges are embracing the bail reform and not using common sense. i'll say it, and i've continued to say it, it's wrong. they are public servants just like i was. i'm accountable to the people. what about the prosecutors? what about the victims? who is talking to the victims, tucker? not one person. it's sad. it's our professional -- are profession is in a crisis. >> tucker: a small number of people commit an overwhelming percentage of the crime and if they're out on the street then you're going to have a lot of crime. that's what you're saying. >> absolutely and what i'm suggesting is talk to the victims, talk to the families, make reasonable common sense decisions on who should be

allowed out. right now i'm told there are 13 individuals who were charged with premeditated murder out walking the streets in detroit. shameful and it's not just detroit. when you look at all the cities, talk about new york, talk about chicago, this is a cross. so who are we supporting? the criminals. and then the aclu comes out against me and says well, chief, you got it wrong. no, you live in a gated community. you're not dealing with what people who live in vulnerable communities -- they want the police, bottom line. i talk to these folks and you know what? it's not over for me, tucker. it's not over. i'm going to continue to fight for our men and women who serve. it's not over for me. >> tucker: i hope you run for governor, i hope you beat your current governor badly. we will be rooting for you. james craig of detroit, great to see you.

thank you. >> appreciate you, thank you. >> tucker: thank you. several states and many school districts have decided to deny there's any biological difference between men and women. the governor of florida, ron desantis, has taken a major step to defend science, nature, and reality. he joins us next to explain what he's done. ♪ ♪

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he made the announcement on stage with student athletes from a jacksonville school called trinity christian academy. at the event, an athlete who's been on this, selena soul, spoke about her experience. listen. >> it's very frustrating and demoralizing because it's not fair being forced to compete against somebody who's biologically male, because no matter what, you will never be able to beat them and i braced against these athletes over a dozen times and every single time i lost by a significant margin. they have a great advantage over us in terms of skeletal system and muscle mass, but in times in the 100-meter, they would finish and us girls were still at the 80-meter mark. it's not a close race at all. it goes with science that males have a great physical advantage over females and saying that science isn't a factor in this issue is wrong. >> tucker: governor ron desantis of florida joins us. governor, thanks so much for coming on.

>> good evening. >> tucker: we've seen bills like this in a bunch of different states come before governors who don't sign them because they came under corporate pressure not to sign them. how much corporate pressure did you come under not to sign this bill? >> well, it was interesting, tucker, i think is these bills were going through various legislatures, i remember the ncaa put out a statement that said any state that enact this, we are not going to hold events there and so i called the speaker of the house in florida and i said did you hear what they said and he said yeah and i said we've deftly got to get this done. you can't be cowed by these organizations, particularly by woke corporations from doing the right thing and so my view was throughout this whole time, we have to protect our girls. it is discriminatory to force them to compete against biological males and so the price of having a tournament is that i have to deny equal opportunity to hundreds of thousands of young girl and women athletes throughout

florida, i am much more willing to stand with the girls and to hell with these events. >> tucker: i think it's really a great point. and you listen to the athletes, they are at the 80-meter mark when the race is all ready won and they are the top female runners in the state? it's ridiculous. do expect that -- >> selena made the point today -- selena made the point today, she missed new england regionals by two places and those two places ahead of her or biological males, so she did everything that she could, she put herself into position and had they had fair competition she would have advanced. a lot of these women are going to have opportunities to play in college. some of them get college scholarships but even short of that these are enjoyable experiences that they will remember for the rest of their lives. this is something they will remember, to basically get cheated out of a victory.

>> tucker: so unfair. do you expect to be punished and you expect your state to be punished for this? >> actually i don't think so, tucker, because i think what we've shown not just with this, but we did strong election integrity bill in florida, actually stronger than georgia and we just made it clear, we are standing with our folks, we are going to do the right thing, and so corporations want to come in and tried to bully us around, they are going to go nowhere. it's going to be like hitting their head against a brick wall. the result has been we had very little to do with that elections bill and i don't think we are going to have very much to do at this point here because we leaned into it and we stood strong. >> tucker: yet. if they know they can't push you around, they don't even try. that's a really good point, i hope you inspire other governors. governor ron desantis of florida, thank you very much. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so one of the main reasons we know as much about ufos and know as much about what the pentagon knows about ufos is because of a man called lou.

he used to run the ufo program at the panic on. he's gone public about this, as you know if you watch the show. now he says the pentagon is launching a smear campaign against him. he joins us to explain what's going on next.

♪ ♪ >> tucker: one of the main reasons that sain people are now capable of talking about ufos without being laughed at is because of a man called lou. 13 years ago he was assigned to lead a pentagon program that investigated this phenomenon, whatever it is. since leaving the employment of the u.s. government he's gone public with some of what he knows about ufo sightings. he's made this current conversation possible. now he has filed a complaint with the pentagon's inspector general and in that complaint he says the pentagon

is waging a coordinated disinformation campaign to smear him for talking about this. if lou joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. >> always a pleasure. >> tucker: thank you. what are they doing to you, and why? >> well, there are certainly pockets of resistance within the pentagon and my concern is that they're not being forthcoming with the american people about the reality of the program and the findings of the program, my role in the program and frankly the importance of this topic from a national security perspective. i think the concern for me is there's a lot of information that still hasn't seen the light of day and they are obfuscating the truth and more importantly, they may be doing it to congress, which is a whole other level of deception of course if that is indeed the case. >> tucker: yeah, and it's also illegal. they are required by law to release this information to the congress and to the public. when can we expect that and how convinced are you that they are going to be withholding critical

information from that report? >> yeah, two things with that, tucker. the report can come out any day, probably anytime between next week and june 25th. hopefully the report is what congress expects and frankly what congress deserves, but i'll tell you something of equal importance that i think our friends in congress should probably be aware of, and that is the public affairs office right now in united states pentagon is obfuscating and more importantly interfering with the freedom of information act process that is something that is in law. so i think that's something every american should be concerned with. >> tucker: yeah, it's illegal among other things and wrong. what specifically do you worry they will omit from this report? >> well, look, the program that i was part of, we looked at a lot of things. primarily, as most people no, the uap or the unidentified aerial phenomenon topic and more importantly, the incursions into

u.s. airspace. there's a lot of data out there. and i mean there's a lot and i have to be very careful with what i say but i think just some of that information comes to light -- one people look at the incident, the roosevelt, the kid in the omaha and they say well, those are anecdotal, those are events that occurred every so often, but i think americans would be really surprised to know that these events are continuing to literally last week. they are happening all the time. >> tucker: and you worry that the report will underplay that as a kind of cya move from dod. >> we can laugh all day long about the topic of ufos or uap's, but the bottom line is you have objects that are coming unimpeded into u.s. airspace, control u.s. airspace and i know some politicians think it's a laughing matter but at the end of the day, we have control u.s. airspace over washington, d.c., for a very specific reason. if it's nobody's concern, then why are we spending millions of dollars protecting the airspace

when these things have had the ability to fly unimpeded in those air spaces. more importantly, you have men and women in uniform, brave men and women in uniform that are reporting these things and for some reason there are some people in i guess politics who don't think it's such a big deal. >> tucker: last question. do you think if dod does keep this information from the congress and from the public, that some within the defense department will leak it? will tell us what they are hiding? >> you know, i never condone leaking. i still have my security oath and that is something i would never encourage anybody to do. i think there's a right way to do this and i think so far is to have the conversation the way we've been having it and use the inspector general process to our advantage. it's there for a reason in the ig is there to conduct an evaluation and a fair assessment. hopefully they do that. i have faith and confidence in the fine men and women that are

in the ig shop so let's hope that they do what they're supposed to do and do the right thing. >> tucker: i hope you're right. we will see you soon i expect. thanks a lot. >> as always, thanks. >> tucker: that's it for us tonight. the latest episode of "tucker carlson today" is out today. long conversation about the opioid epidemic and the people responsible for it on foxnation.com. we will see you tomorrow night. >> sean: all right, tucker, thank you. welcome to "hannity." tonight we begin with a bomb show report that reveals joe biden did, in fact, meet with zero experience huntser's business associates, foreign associates from ukraine, russia, kazakhstan, all while joe was vice president. this in spite of the numerous claims by joe himself that he never, ever, talked to zero experienced hunter about his overseas business dealings. why did you lie, joe? we need to know