♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight."t. a group of chinese scientists working on the ground were seen with the offering of brand-new virus came to the conclusionon that it probably escaped from a government lab from wuhan. the chinese scientist said that in the clearest possible terms and then posted on the internet. from our perspective they struck us as an amazing important story and by the way plausible.

we expected a flurry of media interest and where did it come from? that seemed worth knowing as people were dying of it. butng nobody asked the question and instead their silence punctuated only by occasional smirking about anti-asian racism and conspiracy theory. that's where it stood for more than one year until a few weeks ago. suddenly, reasons we don't really understand, all the smirking in the american news media change their view completely overnight. of course corona escaped from a tiny virology lab, do you think it came from a whiteap market? that's the new consensus. an avalanche of evidence thatth the first victim seem to have been researchers working with bad viruses at the wuhan institute of virology. buzzfeed obtained thousands of emails showing tony fauci new from the beginning that covid had been manufactured in china in dangerous experiments he helped pay for.

the lab leak theory turned out was never crazy. it was likely truth. why did they lie to us about it for so long? a shocking new piece in all all paul places the celebrity suck up magazine "vanity fair" answers the question in great detail. you should read it. many research scientists are addicted to tax dollars and the american public understood how recklessly they have behaved endangering the entire world with their weird little experiments and labs in china, that money might dry up. former official called jamie metal put it, "if the pandemic started as part of a lab leak it had the potential to do due to virology what chernobyl due to nuclear science. this quote can't have that they lied about it. they intimidated anybody who tried to tell the truth. that includes the director of the cdc. he received death threats after

he suggested the virus may have come from a library >> i'm of the point of view that i still think the most likely ideology n wuhan was from aa laboratory. escaped. other people don't believe that that's fine,n' science will eventually figure it out. it's not unusual for respiratory pathogens to infect the laboratory worker. >> tucker: that's the former director of the cdc you think the world would stop and ask'd follow-up questions such as why do you think that, where's the evidence? but that's how what happened. i was threatened then ox distress because i proposed another hypothesis , he told "vanity fair." i expected from politicians but not from science. he dare hold to buck the orthodoxy imposed by the global scientific establishment. it began on fiber 192020

scaring the heck out of all ofus us. one of the leading science journals in the world, the lancet published a letter that was signed by 27 scientists in the letter declared flatly and for all time that the coronavirus didn't originate in the lab in wuhan and you'd have to be a bigot to believe otherwise. that letter we now know was organized by peter and isaac, a man with everything to gain by p pretending covid came from a wet market. he was involved in gain of function research at the wuhan institute of virology. email show that peter carefully selected other so the obviously disqualifying conflict of interest would remain secret. one point, daszak wrote to a scientist called ralph barrett working at gain of function research in china telling him not to sign the letter. here's why. "we will put out in a way that doesn't link it back to our collaboration so we will

maximize the independent voice." the whole thing was a fraud. yet, it worked it was in the lancet everybody trust of the lancet.ev 20 tony fauci himself cited it. >> if you look at the evolution of the virus in bats, it is very, very strongly leaning towards this could not have been artificially or deliberately manipulated. the way the patients have naturally evolved. a number of very qualifiedve evolutionary virologists have said everything about the evolution over time strongly indicates it evolved in nature and then jumped species. >> tucker: of course, it couldn't be in us with the story about the self licking ice cream corn that the federal bureaucracy. no badly how they screw up, we

didn't imagine wf d and iraq, it's your fault, racist. it's not just tony fauci and the federal bureaucrats who said the letter.it self-described fact-checker is the one who controlled the flow of information in the country now is the letter to censor anybody on social media to mention the possibility of a lab leak. it can't be true, the lancet says it's not true. only a few scientists dared to speak up. one formed a group. the former nsc official joined the group almost immediately as early as april of last year it was becoming clear that the lab leak theory was not a conspiracy theory in fact it wason possibl. >> i think if i had to bats based on what i read and logic, i would bet it is most likely

that it's an accidental leak from a lab. >> tucker: turns out that he wasn't exactly speculating on that. unlike the scientific establishment he and drastic head evidence they had bothered together. they found the official scientific consensus had in fact been doctored at the source. in one instance they discovered that the fat lady in wuhan had collected samples of a bath coronavirus that were virtually identical to t covid-19. where did she get the samples? she found them in a cave in the province in china. in several miners had been killed after inhaling the bats guano left by the bats. she recognized the virus was significant because it had moved directly to humans without going through a animal host first. if the chinese seem to be looking for the most dangerous virus they could find. in that cave they found it. after the coronavirus pandemic

began she tried to hide the covid-19 was virtually identical to the virus that she had collected in the mind buried her records, she renamed the virus to hide source. peter daszak published a paper categorizing all the strains they had encountered in recent years. listing 100s of them. if yet somehow and you'll be surprised by this, they omitted the deadly virus found in the mind. where they t significant? the government of china appears to think they are purely less your journalist from bbc tried to visit the mind to get eanswers. they found to the road had been blocked by a broken down truck. the chinese government covered it up. but here's the worst part on the most shocking park if you're an american. some within the u.s. government helps them cover it up, they knew all along it was going on. but they bury the truth too, their interest aligned with that of the chinese government.

the director and the state department nonproliferation bureau told the investigators "not to say anything that would point to the u.s. government's own role in gain of function research." why would he say that? turns out that christopher park was involved in the 2017 decision to lift the federal moratorium on finding gain of function research. "vanity fair" obtained a memo from thomas dano who is the acting assistant director. he wrote that staff from two state department bureaus warned leaders within his office "not to pursue an investigation into the origin of covid-19 because it would "open a can of worms." "these are americans working to hide the truth and the origin of covid-19 from a country that's been destroyed by covid-19. you can't prevent outbreaks unless you know where they came from and yet federal bureaucrats

prevented us from learning where this came from. one of the officials who wanted to shut down the probe was chris ward, acting secretary for arms control and international security. a former administration official with direct knowledge of the probe, direct knowledge tells the show that he was briefed about the lab leak investigation earlier than december 2021 he claimed he first heard about itt if we are told that he wanted it shut down and overruled by the secretary of the state at the time like mike pompeo. byst the way he was not a pregnt bureaucrat, he was a political employee d and spoke for many in the bureaucracy. didn't like the administration they served and did not want to give it a point. in our conformist culture that's enough to shut people up. and the other worries they acted like the people you see on tv like msnbc anchors they didn't act like federal officials who

had been sworn to protect american lives. they weren't protecting american lives, their protecting the census and that endangers merrick and lives. for actual msnbc anchors they have progressed to a childlike state of incoherence. watch the dopey little fan girl swoon over tony fauci like he is the bassist in the boy band. >> you've got to continue to evolve with the data and that's what i wasas trying to do is to always tell the truth on the basis of what the data is and it was never deliberately something against the president and in fact, you spoke about my emails you look at my emails i never in the email said anything derogatory about president trump. >> the trueab mark of someone is that they look good even if their personal emails come out. you pass the test. >> tucker: i love you, tony fauci! still talking about trump.

that's where some of them still are. but they're still adults in the country and one is former official jamie mansell who history will be kind to come asking asking honest questions at the beginning of the nonpartisan questions as he should have done and he did than happy to have him join us now. thank you for coming on. my concern isn't just with white people did or did not do, and it's how people think. people in signs out to be reaching conclusions based on the evidence alone, political considerations, questions, questions of funding should not be interfering with the conclusion about what happened, am i right? >> absolutely, tucker. of what we need -- we call it the scientific method and its data-driven we have to explore all the hypotheses and the last time i was on the show with you i'm coming from a very different political space. i'm a progressive democrat for earlym last year i was looking t the evidence and there was this

fake consensus i felt saying we know something that we didn't know buddy newell, it was aa natural origin and i was looking at all of the data that was suggestingoo to me that a lab incident origin was really possible. i started asking those questions and everybody should have been asking the questions. there's a force consensus that was pushed by the chinese in the small number of scientists who had very o significant conflictf interest undisclosed. unfortunately, we allowed andll collectively allowed a fake consensus to of marriage and i think that stifled some very healthy question asking that happened lastsk year. i'm glad a lot of us work hard for almost a year and a half now, and suddenly appropriately aware asking the tough questions. >> tucker: that's exactly right and you expect the kind of behavior from the authoritarian

regime like the government of china and it's so distressing and sout embarrassing, humiliatg as an american to think that american officials would engage in this kind of behavior. it's all beneath the country were you shocked or have you been the bureaucracy long enough not to be? >> it's not just officials. at the way i see it is from day one trend following the outbreak, china began its massive cover-up which involved destroying samples and hunting records, imprisoning chinese citizen journalists asking the most basic questions and establishing a universal gag scientists.ir there wasn't a lot of information coming out as a result of that and a lot of scientists here where hands off because they did not have the data. there is a small numbers of the self-interested scientists who recognized and you quoted me in your intro that there is a binary outcome, that if the story was that the pandemic starts from a natural outbreak it's not just that it's a boon

for virology, it also helps to support things that many people really believe in like defending and projecting wild species and all sorts of things. but if the story was a lab incident origin then it's a lot more challenging for a lot of scientists even ones who are doing things that they believe in. on top of that we have this very toxic political environment and i was one of the people who has been critic of president trump and there's a lot of thingsot ot agree with. i didn't want to be in a position that i disagreed with something because someone i didn't like said it. when president trump last year was talking about the origins, i may have disliked 95% of what he said but it made sense to me. i felt like whatever our background, we have to ask the tough questions. look at that data and follow the evidence. >> tucker: stay rationale and you'll be rewarded in the end. i hope you are.

thanks. i appreciate you coming on. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: so there are people, not just a few people but quite a number of people sitting in solitary confinement in the d.c. jail charged with trespassing. yet tony fauci is not only free, uninvestigated but running around basking in the love on cable tv shows. what is the difference? possibly tony fauci knows how to use the media. if you watched msnbc last night, you saw the surreal interview he did with jeb bush's former flak. it's hard to believe. and at cnn, they asked fauci why his e-mails were redacted. fauci laughed in his face. >> and e-mail exchange with you an francis collins, it said conspiracy theory gave momentum and the idea of the lab leak. the e-mails that i can see on

the screen was all redacted with you and francis collins. do you remember -- >> john, they only talk about 10,000 e-mails from me. of course i remember. i remember all 10,000 of them. give me a break. >> to be clear, you're saying you don't remember? you can't tell us what was in the body -- >> i don't remember what is in that redacted. but i mean, the idea i think is quite far fetched that the chinese deliberately engineered something so that they could kill themselves as well as other people? i think that is a bit far out. >> it wasn't much of an interview to put it mildly. that's tony fauci's official response. he's not going to say anything. on msnbc he was pressed harder by someone that is smart and fauci refused to discuss whether china might have a motive to cover up a lab leak.

>> you say it's in china's interest. wouldn't you it's in their interest to hide it if there was a lab leak or worse if they were designing something in their lab so the world, that america didn't know that it came out of their own lab? wouldn't they want to conceal that? >> you know, willie, i don't want to be speculating on something like that. every time i say that, you know it will get taken out of context and go into the twitter world like crazy. so i'm going to leave that to other people. not surmise and guess who is interested. it's not helpful. >> tucker: miranda divine is a columnist for the "new york post." thanks for coming. you know, you hate to keep grousing about the media because it does get repetitive. this is something that actually matters because we don't know where the virus came from. we can't prevent another pandemic. we can probably save lives if we figured this out. at what point are we going to get to the bottom of this?

will the media decide enough of this. answer the freaking question. >> well, i don't know if they ever will. anthony fauci has been clever at shaping the media, particularly on this pandemic story. he knew from day one that there were reputable scientists that believed that this was a manmade virus. he also knew that he had been funding gain of function, the frankenstein research to make coronaviruses in the lab to get around the obama administration ban. tony fauci was the world's greatest fan, greatest supporter of the gain of function research. many thought it was too dangerous to keep on with. they convinced the obama administration to lift the ban. and then tony fauci took advantage of the new trump administration in their early

days in 2017 to go and tell them that there was nothing dangerous. they had done a review and to lift that moratorium. he is -- if this is a lab leak, that is why he has a vested interest. the last things he wants is for anybody in the media to come close to saying if this is a lab leak, are you responsible for the research that resulted in that lab leak? he doesn't want that. the other person that is very conflicted is the man whose sub agency in new york, the nih through tony fauci was funding, peter daszek and like fauci, he's very powerful in terms of sharing the narrative. you just talked about the lancet article that he engineered. he was the only american person on the world health organization investigation white wash into

what happened in the lab. >> tucker: yeah. this -- i hope that you keep pushing and i know that you have been, miranda, you and a few others to get to the bottom of this. it has profound consequences not just for understanding our past but for the future. this is frankenstein stuff and should stop. i appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: so equity is the idea that some people are better and some people are worse. some people should be rewarded and others punished based on the way they look, how they were born on their skin color. it's mandatory in some kindergarten classes. one mother is fighting back against this. she's been threatened for it. she has an update next.

>> tucker: for months now, we've been waiting for the government's report on ufos. what do they know? they're required to tell us. now keep in mind, the bottom line finding of all government reports, no matter what they're about, we need more money from you. no question this report will find that. increase the dod budget! we don't have the report but just getting a report from the newspaper in new york. here's the bottom line as described by "the new york times." lots of these excitings. no, they didn't not come from the american military. this is not a secret advanced government technology that they haven't been telling us about. they don't know where they are from. they don't know if they're from another country or from another

planet. they have no idea. we'll apparently learn more june 25. that's when the unclassified record is set to arrive. of course we'll give you all the details we can. maybe more leaks. nicole solas is the mother of a kindergartener enrolled in school in south kingston, rhode island. she filed several public record requests to learn about the indoctrination that the school was forcing on kindergarteners. she wrote a post on legal insurrections, the school district threatened to sue. of course, predictably you could have guessed, a member of the school district at a hearing accused her of being, you know, that thing. >> this issue is a much larger one. one that involve as disturbing attempt by a national organized racist group to create chaos and

intimidate our district in recent weeks. as we discussed -- as we discussed bringing equity and anti-racism curriculum to our schools. >> tucker: hey, crazy people, what are you teaching my children? shut up, racist. that's in school districts across the country. nicole is unusual. she stood up to these people. good for her. she joins us with an update. thanks for coming on. have you found out what they're forcing on your daughter? >> i know that in kindergarten they don't call the kids boys and girls. i don't know why that is. they don't use gender terminology in the classroom. i know that when they teach the children about thanksgiving, they ask them what could have been done differently on thanksgiving. which strikes me as a way to shame children for their american heritage. >> tucker: of course it is. it's a way to make them hate the

country. you asked about this and they called you a bigot for trying to find out what they were telling your child. how does that work? >> right. that is a patently false outrageous defamatory statement that should be retracted and the claire of the school committee should resign immediately. this is what they do. they smear people that ask them questions that disagree with them. it's just a false accusation of racism that they use to bully you into silence. they reduce everyone down to the color of their skin. a human being is worth more than that. if this is any indication of what's going on in my school district, our town is in deep, deep trouble. this is why i was submitting my public records request to get information about how exactly this is being taught in our schools.then they turn around and have a public meeting to discuss suing me for submitting the public record request, which they told me to do. >> tucker: that's right.

their hysteria tells you everything. a hurt dog barks. they can't answer the questions, so they attack you. tell me what other parents, how have they responded to you? >> other parents want transparency. i got great community support that came in person to the meeting. i had people coming from other towns. i had people coming from other states. i have people from other states finding me on facebook and messaging me and telling me that they were going to watch the meeting from another state. if parents are going to get answers, they need to submit public records request. it's called an apra, access to public records act. this is the way you can legally compel your school to answer your questions so you can know what is being taught in your classroom. parents across the country have to start holding school officials accountable. they're our civil servants.

they work for us. we need to stop being afraid of retaliation. the risk of retaliation is there, it happened to me, but our children are worth the risk of that retaliation. we're the only one asking necessary questions. so parents, start submitting your public reports request and ask what's doing on in the classroom. >> tucker: so inspiring. cowardess has a cost. thanks for you're doing this and telling us about it. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so when you think of war, you think of planes or tanks or submarines or drones. turns out cyber attacks may be more effective than anything anyone has tried. a few cyber attacks have crippled entire sectors of our economy. what is going on? it's not a partisan question. it's a real

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>> tucker: eight years ago, a pentagon community called the defense science board issued a stern warning. the cyber threat is serious they wrote were potential consequences similar to the nuclear threat of the cold war. a decade later, doesn't seem like the government is taking the threats as seriously as they promised they would. now the threats have multiplied. when hackers shut down the gas supply to the eastern seaboard, the white house said it was a private matter. watch how joe biden's top spokeswoman reacted to a hack of 250,000 servers operated by microsoft. microsoft says the hack came from china. here's how the white house responses. >> in march we heard from jake sullivan. he said the u.s. in the near future would name who is responsible for the hack on the microsoft exchange. so can you tell us who that is? several months have passed and

what the hold-up is. >> i'll check with our national security team to see if they have an update. they're careful and thorough. thorough is probably the right word on how they review and assess public guidance.we'll see if there's anything more. >> the theory that it's china or can you not go further? >> i don't have an update from what we provided in the past. >> tucker: the white house also is not commenting on news today that hackers with ties to china tried to hack new york's subway system in april of this year. the interesting thing is that not at hacks get this treatment. see if you can spot the difference when another country is involved. watch. >> president biden thinks that president putin and the russian government has a role to play in stopping and preventing the attacks. hence it's a topic of discussion when they meet in two weeks. >> tucker: what's going on here exactly? sincere question. glen ggreenwald has a theory.

these cyber attacks were dependent on the internet. the responses from official washington are puzzling. what do you make of them? >> it's obviously bizarre in the sense that we're constantly talking about our massive defense budget. we spend ten times more on defense than the next 12 countries combined. it is run through the department of defense, constantly this world is invoked to justified these huge bureaucracies. when you look at the defense budget, it's not about defense. protecting our food supply and energy supply from actual hacks. there's very little of it that is spent on that. you see this over and over. when i did the reporting in 2013, which is about eight years ago when that report came out,

$75 billion was spent on the intelligence budget. almost all on spying on american citizens, hacking into the systems of other countries. none was spent on how to do defense, defending our own country. even in russia gate, all the hysteria about the russians attacking our election system, tulsi gabbard said if you're worried about it, pass this bill to provide paper ballots to make sure there was no hacking. there was no interest in that. seems like there's a real interest in hyping this enemy constantly creating new programs and bureaucracies that take billions of dollars. but simple solutions to actually provide defense don't generate much interest in washington. >> tucker: that is such a great point about paper ballots. people just weren't -- i vaguely remember this. people were not very interested in protecting the system with paper ballots, which would do it. >> yeah, i mean that was her point. tulsi gabbard would say, all you

do is hear about russian interference in our election. russian hacking of our election system. there's a simple solution i have. two paragraph bill that just requires states to generate paper ballot backups so nobody can ever hack our voting machines because we'll have a paper backup to prove it. i think she had like four sponsors in all of congress while they were constantly babbling around russian interference in our elections. shows you that so often they're pretext to build massive budgets that have nothing to do with the interest of the american people. >> tucker: it's totally and exactly right. your point about our food supply is ominous and true. the biggest beef supplier was taken down. thanks, glenn. >> good to be with you, tucker. thanks. >> tucker: there's a lot, billions -- well, trillions in fact of coronavirus money floating around. how is it being awarded?

on the basis of skin color in a lot of cases. isn't that illegal? you bet it is. immoral? goes without saying but it's happening. stephen miller, former white house adviser is leading a legal charge against this. a judge just handed out a ruling a judge just handed out a ruling in the

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>> tucker: it's easy to forget. when eric swalwell was not having sex with chinese spies, he's still a sitting member of congress from california. amazing. he sees himself as a hero that will bring justice for the january 6 insurrection. he's investigating his own colleagues. we learned yesterday that he hired private investigators to fine congressman mo brooks from alabama. there's an easier way. so call his old girlfriend, fang

fang? call her. the chinese spy you had sex with. she will get it done. >> sandra: >> tucker: well, the biden administration has been awarding many millions in coronavirus stimulus money to people based on their skin color alone. this sill legal, immorale and go unchallenged. stephen miller is here. his group just won an injunction against this racist policy. he joins us. thanks for doing this. explain what this monies to the nonlawyers, if you would. >> absolutely. you know, i'm not a lawyer either. i'm a person that cares deeply about injustice and what is happening to our country like millions of your listeners. i put together a group, hired the best lawyers in the country the stand up for civil rights in america. we hear two term as lot,

systemic racism and institutional racism. in this case, we have real life systemic racism and institutional racism where farmers and restaurant owners are being denied because of their skin color. it's bigotst and unconstitutional. i'm glad that we won for our clients in the restaurant case an injunction. so they can apply. now we're seeking for all others in the same situation. the same right under law to apply just as any other american. we want equality, not equity, which is code word for racism. >> tucker: why isn't the naacp joining you? i thought they were against discrimination? >> what we're finding out, which is tragic and heart breaking, is

that progressives in this country are willing to use the awesome power of the federal government to pup -- punish people because of the way they look or their ancestors came from. if we allow that to happen to neighbors, fellow citizens, children, the american experiment is over. those are the stakes here. that is why i'm doing this. that's why i am suing the biden administration to say in this country you do not punish people because they look a certain way, because their ancestors come from a certain place. the government has a power to destroy a bits because of the way someone looks? what is next? put someone in jail because the way they look? take aware their life and dreams? this is to prey. it's sick what is going on and absolutely a violation of law. >> sandra: >> tucker: yeah.

it's illegal and everything else. everything you said is true. stephen miller, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: we've got some news for you after the break.

>> tucker: back in january, senator josh hawley of missouri did what many democrats have done to keep voted against certifying the results eight review picu -- -- democrats demanded his expulsion from congress. then his publisher suggested that he was somehow an accessory to violence. they canceled his book contract. it was about the danger of big media companies. after this happened, we invited josh hawley to talk about it. the people are so crazed with ideology that they can't bear to hear -- what does that pretend

for the country? >> i think that we are in a period where the first amendment values and crystals of -- principles of freedom of speech are under attack. i come back back to the fact that this is something the first amendment is something that unites us as americans. at this time, it is of division and this time of chaos, we got to stand strong for that. >> sean: simon & schuster is not the government. it is a private company. but his point of the first amendment is real quick but for me personally, what happened to josh hawley with more than an academic question. at the time his book was canceled, i was also under contract to produce a book for simon & schuster. they were paying me to do it, but it seems currently not to address it quickly. i called the ceo of the company and i told him that i thought

canceling a book for partisan reasons was discussing and wrong and it set a very bad president. i told him i wanted to write about what he had been in my new book as a kind of snapshot of what was happening across the country. i started to report on it. i interviewed john and other simon & schuster executives. i asked them under what circumstances are you willing to but since with the political views of your authors? it turned out to be an amazing series of conversations. they were highly uncomfortable, as you can imagine. , but fascinating put their answers, some of them honest, some of them lies, it revealed in the clearest possible wave how corporate america undermined free speech. simon & schuster confirmed that they will publish my account of their censorship. the ceo john karp, said he will come on the shelf and attempt to justify it. we assume he will keep his word. we hope so. that book comes out of the week

of august 10th. you can preorder it now. by the way, eric swalwell had sex with a chinese spy. when asked about what that meant, what was that like? not maybe it never rest of congress have done it. you are always welcome t t