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promoted by donald trump and the right. there are serious lessons that go well beyond the virus. we'll dive into that today with glenn greenwald. anthony fauci, the face of the pandemic response, finding himself at the center of a fierce media storm over the release of thousands of e-mails, which of the questions are legitimate, he's not saying. and which are fueled by growing opposition from conservative commentators. i'm howard kurtz and this is media buzz. ♪ howie: ahead, the naomi osaka mellow drama, i say the highest paid female athlete on the planet shouldn't be able to blow-off the press. as the coronavirus is finally starting to fade in america, the washington post and buzzfeed obtained thousands of dr. fauci's e-mails including praise from an environmental group that

funneled federal money to the wuhan lab. >> some of your critics say this shows you have too cozy of a relationship with the people behind the wuhan lab research, what do you say to that. >> that's nonsense. i don't know how you get that from the e-mail. howie: reporters shouted questions at president biden about whether he still has confidence in fauci. >> you mentioned dr. fauci again, can you imagine any circumstance where president biden would ever fire him? >> no. howie: fauci defended himself on the e-mails in a series of msnbc interviews, including this one with rachel maddow. >> i've become the object of i believe inappropriate, distorted, misleading and misrepresented attacks. ist is what it is. it's happening. and that's unfortunate. howie: joining us now to analyze the coverage in new york, will cain, co-host of "fox & friends weekend."

and harold ford, the former democratic congressman and fox news contributor. politico says the attacks on fauci have grown more intense, personal and basically pins this on media and political conservatives,. >> look, at this point if someone is accusing you, you're probably beginning to hover over the truth. i think that's an accusation i should take pride in. i might be getting close, that's what i learned from the wuhan lab controversy. look, here's what we know about dr. fauci. i don't think this is a part san attack. we know he's been wrong on numerous occasions. he was wrong on masks. he was treating them as theater. he wasn't telling the truth on masks. he has been wrong in my estimation, importantly, on not speaking up against absurd cdc guidance against outdoor transmission in children, he was wrong about the origins of the wuhan virus. why was he wrong?

the charitable explanation is that he's incompetent, made a mistake over and over again, that he keeps getting it wrong. the more interesting and the journalistic question to be asking is whether or not he is compromised. i mean conflict of interest. we know for example peter dazik at the eco health alliance lab was in charge of investigating the wuhan lab after funding it. he was compromised, had a conflict of interest. fauci has a relationship with him and the wuhan lab. we need to ask if he has a conflict of interest. howie: fauci he had missteps, positions have evolved. he talked about crazy people in the world in a friendly exchange with a chinese scientist. what in the e-mails justifies some in the media turning tony fauci into public health enemy number one? >> first off, happy sunday morning. i find what will said interesting. i have a slightly different point of view. i think dr. fauci like all of us

is human, like all of us makes mistakes. i'm thankful that he's come forward now, not even come forward but acknowledged that he might have been wrong, particularly with regard to the theory about the origins of covid, that he could be dead wrong about it. at the beginning of a pandemic when we knew little and the science was evolving and changing and we get new scientific guidance on everything from how much red meat to eat to what you can drink and not drink year after year because the data and the science and frankly our bodies change. i think dr. fauci, president trump, mark meadows, all acknowledge that mistakes were made throughout the process. they got more right than they got wrong. i think we're going to devote this amount of time to dr. fauci and to the pandemic, it ought to be on how do we prevent going forward that we don't face these kind of challenges. howie: let me come back to will. in the early e-mails fauci said he believes based on the evidence that most likely explanation was that covid came

from an animal and not from the wuhan lab. he says he didn't rule it out. he says the same thing today and a he said he's keeping an open mind. maybe he's flat wrong. some on the right are accusing him of parroting chinese come mist propaganda, is that fair? >> it is fair. it's fair at the very least to explore with an open mind. harold could be right. this could be just a series of mistakes. it could be as i said that he's simply incompetent and keeps making mistakes. that could be the truth. dr. fauci isn't the neighborhood family physician. this is a man in charge of the highest levels of medicine not just in the united states but the world. this is a man who understands something about gain on function research, who understands something about viral and virus experiments going on around the world. and this was also a man who those e-mails reveal was getting warnings and information about the fact that it could come from a lab as early as february of 2020. so if we are going to say this is simply a mistake, i'm here to

tell you we are being very charitable. that is the point. maybe we should not be so charitable. maybe we should be a little more inquisitive. howie: it's no secret that republicans are having a hard time demonizing joe biden, especially on the pandemic with cases down 90% and about 60% of the country having received -- eligible people having received at least one dose of the vaccine. do you think this conservative media scapegoating on of this 80-year-old doctor. will is critical of his record. >> i don't know. what i know about dr. fauci is that progress we've made in fighting aids up to this point has a lot to do with his research and hard work. i know the country is probably safer -- not probably, is safer because of his collaboration with president trump and his team, when the pandemic started. again, i just take a different view. i don't think he's intentionally unamerican and unpatriotic or compromised. i think mistakes were made.

we all make them. i don't know if there's a conspiratoral piece. i don't know what the motivation is. i do know that dr. fauci's credibility is two times that of president trump's according to polling and i know his approval rating heisser than goa -- higher than joe biden. howie: president trump may have been more accurate than dr. fauci. all i'm pushing back on, and bringing up what hiv development in the 1980s. dr. fauci has been mythologized. like on the cover of in-style magazine, maybe we need to stop calling him an 80-year-old physician. maybe he is somebody we can't keep acting likes he's our neighborhood friendly guy who is looking out for us. maybe he's the most powerful man in the world that needs serious questions asked right now. howie: it was president biden's

decision to make him the chief medicals advisor, i bring up his age because he's been doing this since the reagan administration. since you brought up president d trump, he held a rally last night in north carolina, one of the targets not surprisingly was anthony fauci, take a listen. >> he's not a great doctor. he's a hell of a promoter. he likes television more than any other politician in this room. and they like television. he's been wrong on almost every issue. he was wrong on wuhan and the lab. howie: that rally by the way not taken live by any cable news network, including fox. to continue on this, is this the roots of people on the right being unhappy with fauci, that he was in the position of trying to correct or disagree with president trump whether it was the hydroxychloroquine, the

. >> i don't think this is all based upon president trump versus anthony touch each i think americans have been through something over the past 12 months that disrupted their lives greater than anything in at least half a century and they look at the guidance and the advice they got and they're right to ask of dr. anthony fauci were you on the up and up every step of the way as we lost our jobs and kept our kids at home. howie: short answers from both of you. harold, new york times says that the trump justice department obtained phone records of michael schmidt and three other reporters, in a leaked investigation, this one involved james comby and hillary and a other investigations in 2016. would you agree this sort of thing has a chilling effect on the press? >> totally. i think the only time that you should be able to try to reveal those sources is if our national

security is at stake. it may have been the president's political security was jeopardized. the national security of the nation was not at risk here. howie: the biden justice department says it's changing the policy as far as the press. some jumping on mike pence for saying he and donald trump are never going to see eye to eye on what happened on january 6 when the vice president's life was in danger during the capitol riot. does he deserve criticism for this distancing as he perhaps is interested in 2024. >> i want mike pence to tell the truth about what he feels, i want him to tell the truth about what his thoughts r i want president trump to tell his unvarnished truth as well. i don't want anybody parroting the line. i want to hear what mike pence has to say. howie: i like the unvarnished version as well. ahead, glenn greenwald on the media's mishandling of the origins of covid-19. when we come back, a debate over joe biden's attack on republican voting laws tracfone wireless gives you more control.

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howie: voting rights rocketed to the top of the media's you agenda as president biden is making his most aggressive push to pass the sweeping democratic bill now mired in the senate. >> this sacred right is under assaulted with intensity i've never seen. it's simply unamerican. howie: that speech in tulsa sparking a broader media he debate over race in the country and which party is really on the side of black americans. >> the party of trump intensifying its efforts to strip people of color of their rights to vote. the boldest attempt since the era of jim crow. >> they keep playing the race card because that keeps victimizing black america and keeps the democrats in power and that's never going to change. howie: well, it seems like

there's two different media conversations going on, lib blals who want to faux -- liberals who want to focus on the congressional bill and what they view as restrictive state laws like the one in georgia and then you have conservative as we just heard accusing biden and democrats overall of playing the so-called race card. >> yes. and i happen to think the conservatives are correct on this, probably comes as no surprise. here's what i think is an accurate framing of the story is. 2020 saw the greatest changes in voting and the way we vote in really i don't know, decades, right. we made exceptions and we changed the rules because of a worldwide pandemic. we allowed massive mail-in balloting, absentee ballot, push balloting, mail-in drop boxes, we made it as easy as possible for someone to stay home and vote. republicans are saying the pandemic is over, we need to go back to quote, unquote normal, we need protections in place that ensure voter integrity such

as the concept of voter id. democrats don't like that. they want to keep the way 2020 worked into eternity. they think it worked in their favor and they're calling any attempt to scale back to what was normal, voter suppression, and they're calling that racist. howie: are liberal pundits somewhat over-the-top saying this is an attack on democracy, bringing back the era of jim crow and let me rehave you respond to what will said about the use of the charge racist. >> i think oftentimes politicians in both parties are too quick to racialize things. here's where i differ with will. there's an assumption in what was said that there was something that was not full of integrity about last year's voting outcomes or for that matter even the number of people voting. i think we should be interested in having as many people vote and making it as easy as possible. you should win elections based on the power, strength and vision of your ideas, not trying

to pick voters to vote. we need voter id laws, i don't object to that at all. what i'm curious about is, if you have evaluated an election, about how many people voted and how fair the election was, you have to give 2020 an "a." you may not like the outcome. the number of people voting was outstanding. howie: will, first. a lot of people in the mainstream media are saying that donald trump is pushing his unproven claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election, they call that the big lie and therefore any republican who objects to any voting rights bill or pushes a different kind of bill than they like is adopting the big lie. that's the media -- >> it's constant motive indictment. you are either trying to promote the big lie or you are engaging in racist voter suppression if you push any attempt for voter integrity. i heard what you said that 2020

was an "a," one of the most secure elections. you have to admit this, that in 2020 we adopted many voting measures that most advanced societies across this world do not accept as integral integrity filled pure methods of voting. they don't do it. they don't allow the way we vote in 2020, they don't allow that in their elections. the point is, i'm glad you embraced voter id. let's take out the parts that are the most vulnerable and we might having that both parties can agree. howie: biden in the speech said the recent he hasn't passed voting rights is he has a 50/50 senate with two democrats that vote more with my republican friends. here's how jen psaki handled the question. >> i hear the folks on tv saying -- as a former tv pundit myself, i can tell you sometimes

the conversations can be over-simplified. so i don't think he was intending to convey anything other than a little bit of commentary on tv punditry. howie: do you buy that the president was talking about tv pundits and not about the two democratic senators? >> i do. senator manchin's wife works in the administration. there's a camaraderie and friendship. i'm certain that president biden would love for every senator including mitch mcconnell who made it clear he wants to beat joe biden, he would love mitch mcconnell's support, as well as joe manchin's. is there commentary and back and forth? sure. i'm for voter id and i'm for as many people voting and we should want to be the most advanced. howie: we're out of time. i'm going to disagree and say biden was clearly talking about the two senators. >> i'm with you on that, howard. howie: will, harold, thank you so much. facebook extends its ban on

donald trump and chis matthews is back on the air, talking about the messy departure from msnbc.

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howie: chis matthews returned to msnbc for the first time since losing his show last year in the wake of multiple problems, including a column by a female guest who said he praised her looks while she was getting ready. >> was it your decision to leave and what were the lessons learned in retrospect? >> well, the lesson is you're not supposed to comment about a person's appearance in the workplace. i made a couple comments, what we might have called in the old days compliments, but are not taken as compliments today by any means. i owned to it, took ownership of it. howie: joining us from dallas, steve krakauer. i'm glad chis matthews is owning

up to what he did. he said he left msnbc voluntarily. it wasn't just because this one woman wrote a column. he was accused of making inappropriate comments about women's looks for years. >> right. i think that the media industry is unique in the sense that the reason a person maybe abruptly retires or if they're suddenly fired or they immediately resign, it's not usually the specific reason. there's a lot more to the story there. as you point out, no, a few inappropriate comments in the makeup room one time is not the reason chis matthews left msnbc last year. we don't have a playbook for a way back necessarily. in a lot of people's minds, that was a way to stop the flood gates from opening. he's not just on the view, he's on the morning joe. we'll see. is there now going to be more stories about the entireity of chis matthews' legacy? i don't know. that was interesting to see that a year later he's back in the spotlight. howie: he's been making

mistakes on the air, comparing a bernie sanders caucus victory to the take. nazi invasion of france.the wayh gets him in trouble. let's return to facebook. the ban on donald trump will last for two years, then trump can reapply for reinstatement, and mark zuckerberg's czars will decide whether the risk has subsided. >> i'm not 100% surprised that a bunch of progressive tech executives in san francisco decided to keep donald trump off of facebook and instagram for a couple years. obviously, there's hypocrisy there. the world leaders in rush sharks iran, syria, who can easily post on facebook and without any ban in place. so i think that's odd. but honestly, it's not as surprising to me or as alarming as the anti-speech activists we see in the media who are cheering or are cheerleaders of

the tech censorship. they used to be about the first amendment. this is not a legal first amendment issue. i don't think facebook should be sued to get donald trump on there. i don't think that the government intervention is the answer. but the principle of the first amendment is freedom of speech and the idea that journalists not only are cheering this two-year ban but are hoping it goes longer is truly alarming and it's a sad state of so many in the media that drifted not just on the fringe but in cnn, washington post, new york times, people who are cheering the censorship of anyone, let alone a person who is the president of the united states. howie: anyone they disagree with. facebook says they're changing the rules. trump says this is an insult that he's being censored. the idea that he's a private citizen and somehow he could cause great damage to public safety seems a stretch and the left leaning silicon valley giants just can't stand him. just briefly. >> right. look, absolutely.

the tech executives can't stand him and the media can't stand him. so there's a bit of a collusion there in what happens. look, we've seen now, facebook, the way that they have at one time only about a few months ago were making it so any story about the wuhan lab was censored on their platform as misinformation. now, you can certainly post about that because the information has changed. howie: because the media -- >> that's a red flag for all. howie: the conventional wisdom is changing. next, do the media's mistakes on the wuhan lab reflect a growing impulse to tell people what to sunshine glenn greenwald is stand -- what to sunshine glenn? glenn greenwald is standing by with that

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howie: the washington post ran a correction on a story about covid-19 that ran in february published after republican senators said we should investigate when the virus came from the wuhan lab. tom cotton repeats a coronavirus conspiracy theory that was he debunked. that was inaccurate the paper says right now. the term debunknd and the conspiracy theory have been removed. there was no determination about the origins of the virus. why aren't major media organizations trying to figure out where they went wrong. joining us now from brazil, glenn greenwald.

glenn, how do you explain this historic failure really on the part of the media not to crack the case but to take the wuhan theory more seriously and everyone moves on without much attempt at self examination. >> i think this is an extraordinary media debacle, probably one of the worst over the last five or six years. if it were the case that the scientific data showed one particular point, mainly that it was overwhelmingly likely that the virus jumped from animal to humans and it was unlikely it leaked from the lab, you would say okay, sometimes in science things change and the media was reflecting the idea at the time and nobody should have known any different. that's not the case. go back to february, march and april of 2020 and find smart people on twitter, journalists, scientists saying that there is no certainity warranted about whether it came from animals or whether it came from a lab that

they're both highly plausible. yet, the media treated it as though there was certainity involved, and if you suggested it may have come from a lab you were a crazy conspiracy theorist to a point where you were kicked off of social media. nothing has changed other than the fact that donald trump is no longer president and that's the point is journalists so often judge things not by what is true or not true, but by what is politically beneficial to the partisan audience they're serving and that's what happened here over an extremely important question. howie: josh rogan tweeted that most of the mainstream media actively crapped all over this theory for years, pretending to be objective with a mixed of course bias, group think, trump derangement syndrome and general incompetence, not many are saying that. >> howie, i think we've talked about it before that when you

were at the washington post, one of the first media reporters to examine how the u.s. media got so wrong the question of iraqi wfds and talked about the insidious waves that media outlets can promote the theory that you want. it was in 2004. i want people to read it. it's exactly what still takes place which is media outlets like the new york times, the washington post, cnn, msnb sevmentz, decided that the profit model depends on telling american liberals what they want to hear, regardless of whether it's true. american liberals didn't want to hear that maybe trump was right about the origins of the virus so they pretended they had scientific knowledge that the theory was a conspiracy theory. there were a few lonely voices that proves that if you wanted to find the truth, could you have. howie: i spent a lot of time reporting on the wmd fiasco. let me ask you about a new york times columnist that says since the trump years there's been the

impulse to tell the reader exactly what to think, it was not enough to simply report republican politician x said conspiratorial sounding thing y, he to describe it as false or debunked. that matches some of what you've been complaining about. >> i think the key point here is we lost the ability, the media has, to distinguish between idea logical questions or evidentiary questions on the other. they're completely different and yet the distinction has been lost. ideological questions are debates where you expect the ideology to determine where you fall on the spectrum, you debate abortion, tax cuts, whether you're on the right or the left which show you where you fall. evidentiary questions, is there evidence proving that trump colluded with the kremlin, did the virus come from a lab or from -- these are not ideological questions and yet the media is treating them as such and that's why if you're on the left you automatically say oh, yes i believe trump colluded

with russia. if you're on the left in the media you say it came from animals even though there's no evidence for it. and this is for me the number one cause of how journalism is being corrupted. howie: to me, it's a different strain, journalists, analysts, saying this is bs and this is such bs that we're going to ignore it, we're not going to talk about it, we don't think it deserves to be debated in the public square. daily beast has a headline, is glenn greenwald the new master of right wing media. part of the indictment is that you appeared a number of times on fox news including previous appearances on this program. i ask you questions, you respond. that makes you a crazy conservative? >> i think it shows how the liberal media really does think, the liberal sector of the media. the purpose of the article was a hit piece. they thought what can we say about glenn greenwald that would be the most, say, you know, incriminating thing we could possibly think of.

let's link him to right wing media and say he goes on fox news. of course i go on fox news. why wouldn't i want to talk to the millions of people that watch the network, the most watched network in the world. they can only seen the world in the prizm of left versus right. i go on other shows like joe rogan, talk to left wing podcasters and youtubeers all the time. they see the world as left versus right and as journalists they believe the only role is to serve the interest of one side of the political spectrum. so for them, my going on fox news makes me some kind of a traitor as opposed to a journalist who wants to communicate with as many people as possible. howie: when you were doing your ground breaking reporting on bush, cheney and the iraq war or during the obama administration you were seen as a wild eyed liberal, now you're a craze. >> i conservative. the labels i think are not necessarily useful. let's deal with the substance of what you have to say as you do on twitter every day.

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her mental health. there was a stunning instagram post, she pulled out of the french open. since upsetting serena williams, the young star confessed i have long suffered -- i suffered from long bouts of depression, i had a hard time coping with that. serena williams is among the players who call press conferences part of the job. >> i feel like i wish i could give her a hug. i know what it's like. not everyone is the same. i'm thick. you know. other people are thin. howie: rafael nadal says without the media to boost the game -- >> we don't want to have the recognition that we have around the world, we will not be that popular. howie: joining us now from new york, kat timpf of the gutfeld show and host at fox nation. kat, it must have been difficult

for the 23-year-old woman to talk about something as excruciatingly personal as depression. can you relate to that? and how much is it changing the conversation about sports, media and the high stakes pressure? >> absolutely. i've struggled with depression and anxiety for years myself. it's something that i've been open with and talking about because there is still a lot of shame surrounding that, that especially if you're an athlete that's struggling with something like this is a kind of weakness of sorts. i think that this is a conversation where a lot of things could be true at once. i think that there's one side saying hey, this is her job. i think that the other side is also not saying no, it's not, they're saying why is it. i saw a piece in the boston globe. it presented a middle ground which can be rare to see in conversations like this, saying i don't think that someone in this situation should have to do press interviews but let's not say no one should have to and let's look at a more case by case basis because everyone is different. maybe she could have handled it

a different way and even she herself did admit that. howie: it seems in a pr battle, osaka is breathing the press. -- beating the press. no question. she made $50 million in endorsements last year, nike, google, levi and lots of others. this happened because she's not just a great athlete but because the media turned her into a celebrity. she has some obligation to answer press questions now and then. i don't see why that's so hard for people to understand. >> right. absolutely. i saw the finer points of that being debated as well. for example, there was a niece the new york post saying you're going to be wearing the low goes on the uniform, -- logos, you have to go out there and get press attention. i saw a piece in forks that was interesting, -- forbes that was interesting, this is the highest paid female athlete, made tens of millions of dollars, most of it from sponsorships and media

attention. they pointed out if she can come out of this and be a comeback story, there's nothing that sports likes better than that. howie: she will be bigger than ever. osaka did say in the statement that the tennis press has always been kind to me. it's not like she's getting rude and obnoxious questions. she apologizes to the cool journalists who i may have hurt. i don't know who exactly is in the category. osaka has not been shy about politics. last year she pulled out of a semifinal match as part of the protest of police violence against blacks in the wake of the george floyd killing. here's what she had to say then. >> i know you guys are like news and media but i feel like sometimes the news only shows one side of things. howie: and at that match she was wearing masks showing the names of the different victims including jacob blake. she was happy to talk to the press then when it suited had

her purposes. >> absolutely. that is something that people are pointing out. i think we can point all of these things out at once and wonder what has she done a variation of a martian lynch. -- marshan lynch, he said i'm just here so i won't get fined. i think everybody would have respected that. i think they really would have respected that and seen it as her being vulnerable which is different than her pulling out. she acknowledged that her timing was bad but there could have been a perhaps -- that would have been a more powerful moment, saying i'm here because i have to be, i have to be here but i want you to know this is hard for me and taking a toll on my mental health. howie: it's a shame she had to pull out. people must be sitting home, saying she has all this money, fame and fortune. it doesn't insulate you from the disease of depression.

an espn moment day tore talked -- commentator talked about his own struggle. >> i've been devastatingly depressed. i was in therapy for three years, that's how devastated i had been and i'm just -- i'll never get over it. howie: he was talking about his mother's death. could this lead to people -- more people in sports, more people in journalism being more open about their own struggles and take away some of the stigma? >> yeah, i certainly hope so. i think regardless of what you think about the money aspect of things and that's a separate conversation or what you think about her specifically, i think in general these things can get even harder because they can be isolating. i know i've been there. you don't want to feel like you want to burden anybody, you don't want to be embarrassed talking about it. i've been in and out of therapy for so many years now. it is a struggle. it's a constant thing you need to work on. the more open you can be and not feel like it's shameful, it doesn't compound on itself.

regardless of what you think about her, it's an important conversation we appreciate your candor. thanks very much. up next, the media in a tizzy over reports that donald trump is telling people he'll be back in the white house by this summer. welcome to allstate. ♪ ♪ you already pay for car insurance,

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howie: it began when new york time reporter tweeted that donald trump is telling a number of people that he'll be reinstated by august triggering instant denunciations. >> one is a possible future party nominee. this is the kind of thing that he is trying to flush into the conservative media ecosystem. >> this is part of a dangerous delusional, almost sad, frankly, alternate reality that donald trump's foot soldiers are out

peddling. >> that is complete and utter bull sigi-shigidy. it's garbage. >> as far as i know, there are no plans for donald trump to be in the white house in august. maybe there's something i don't know. howie: joining us now, mike emanuel, chief washington correspondent. since that report there's been no he denial from the former president who is quite practiced at knocking down stories he believes is untrue. >> you're right. big picture, i think there's an effort for president trump to stay relevant with his base. if you look at past presidential a elections, after a 2000 loss, al gore went away, 2004, john kerry, see you later. john mccain, 2008, still remains a senator, was done as a presidential candidate. mitt romney, hillary clinton. bottom line, he wants to stay relevant and a people close to him want his people engaged with

him and not kicking the tires on ron de santis, chris scott, et cetera. that's my thought, keep his name in the mix, keep him relevant, hope when he decides to run in 2024 that they're still there with him. howie: the washington post says he may get the ideas from the former lawyers, sidney powell, from mike lynndel, it's still an important story, because it's impossible for a former president to be reinstated but it may rile up some members of his base. >> i think in this business we've seen that former president trump is typically good for business. a lot of our ratings went up when we were talking about president trump and so he has a knack for driving the story line. you saw a lot of those liberal hosts eager to talk about him, their ratings took a major dip when president trump left office. i think any headline they get that relates to donald trump and perhaps his political future they're eager to put in front

and center because he's been good for the numbers. howie: our ratings jumped probably in the last two minutes because of you, mike. the new york times reports that mark meadows in the final weeks pushed for the justice department to investigate some conspiracy theories about the election including that people in italy were using military technology to tamper with the u.s. voting machines. now, mike flynn, the brief -- who served briefly as national security advisor was at a conference last week, not allowed to play the video. the video is all over the web. somebody in the audience said i want to know why what happened in myanmar can't happen here. flynn said no reason, i mean, it should happen here. flynn said the media are manipulating his words. people can go to the video and make up their own mind. >> people take that seriously, particularly after january 6. i would be curious if a lawyer said to mike flynn, you have to be careful with that.

if people start hurting other people, you may be on the hook for it. you mentioned mark meadows, look, when the president of the united states wants something, the chief of the staff serves at the pleasure of the president, so maybe he called the justice department saying we need to look into that. the mike flynn thing after january 6 is no joking matter. when i saw our fellow americans charging the business, not a joking matter at this point, howie. howie: the justice department declined to do it. i think you make a good point. i mean, look, at the rally trump didn't address this point. he said i'll have a decision soon, i think it will make people happy. it would suggest to me he would signal he's going to run again in 2024. that's a long way away. when we talk about it, the numbers go up. we're doing it because it's news. mike emanuel, thanks as always. appreciate your stopping by here. >> thanks so much, howie. howie: that's it for this edition of media buzz. we hope you like our facebook page. i post my daily columns there. you can come at me on twitter. check out my podcast, media buzz

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arthel: dr. anthony fauci connected to join jill widen in a visit to a vaccination clinic at a harlem church in new york city today, it comes amid growing questions about his e-mails during the pandemic. hello, everyone. welcome to fox news live. i'm arthel neville. eric shawn will join us in a moment. on friday, president biden said that he is very confident in dr. fauci, despite the release of hundreds of pages of e-mails which are heavily redacted that critics say show he tried to