little different than your run of the mill political disagreement. a member of the country's ruling associateist party trading punches with a member of the opposition party. they gathered yesterday to discuss events leading to the detention of former interim president. that's all the time we have let please set your dvr never miss an episode, laura ingraham is here, and the islander beat the bruins 4-2 in the series. >> why even bother watching us? >> because i played hockey as a kid. >> that's what's most important is that people get to go watch another network while we're doing our show. what the heck? you're killing us. you're killing me. >> the game is over! >> okay, fine. >> they just won. >> you know, sean, when you first showed that video, when you first showed that video, i thought, what is brian seltzer doing wrestling someone on the floor. it looked like some kind of a -- i was like, gosh, i haven't seen

carl ruff over there. >> challenge cnn to a charitable softball game and beat them on that. the i was on softball in the day, let's do it. >> you on our team. >> i'm the ringer. all right hannity awesome show. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. we have a lot to get to. an announcement at the end of the show so tune in for that. but right now we're going to jump right in. when fauci killed science. that's the focus of tonight's angle. now during a global pandemic, he's had time to do every podcast, every live stream, and glitzy photo shoots all from under the sun sadly america's doctor hasn't joined us on the angle for well over a year. although, this morning, i did have the feeling he was thinking about us. >> if you are trying to, you

know, get at me as a public health official and a scientist, you're really attacking not only dr. anthony fauci, you are attacking science. and anybody that looks at what's going on clearly sees that. you have to be asleep not to see that. that is what's going on. science and the truth are being attacked. >> wait a second. is that the argument? his argument is essentially, sorry, i'm howling laughing at this. i am the science, i am the truth. that's his response to his many critics, who themselves in many cases are distinguished scientific researchers or treating physicians who actually treat covid patients? the man really does think he's some kind of deity except there was only one guy who had the standing to say i am the way, the truth, and the light. and he's found like in the book

of john chapter 14 versus six not on msnbc with chuck todd. of course fauci's is a long line in outlandish deflections. anytime he faces legitimate questions about the science behind his pronouncements, dr. fauci shifts to his default mode. he kind of cavalierly brushes aside the question, then implies his critics are politically motivated. when i questioned fauci in 2020 about china's lack of transparency, he give me answers that made no sense unless, of course, he was interested in covering up for the ccp. yet, for the longest time, i think fauci was able to glide by with very list push back from his media boosters who themselves secretly hoped covid would kill trump's chances last november. about you now fauci's act is wearing thin and we see time and

again that it was he and his like-minded experts who were routinely acting against basic scientific norms. over the past 16 months, the angle has show cased some of the brightest minds in science and medicine, who've weighed in with meticulous precision to balance health concerns that were very serious presented by this virus against the broader economic educational and social needs of our citizens. treating fence told us about effective ways to treat the virus early and cheaply. >> i think the safety of this cocktail of both hydroxychloroquine specifically sit row max and zinc is compelling and should reassure every american. >> i was very impressed i think we need to give more hydroxychloroquine earlier to help the obese patients. we have to give that drug more and earlier. >> cheap generic and around for,

what, 70 years, hydroxychloroquine? but fauci and his friends at big pharma and the media would have none of it. >> any and all of the randomized placebo controlled trials which is the gold standard of determining something is effective, none of them have shown any efficacy by hydroxychloroquine. >> hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. it doesn't work as a prophylactic. it doesn't work as an early treatment. it doesn't work as a late treatment. >> hydroxychloroquine doesn't work, and the president just keeps coming back to at this time. >> well, captain forehead was wrong along with the rest. the data just published by dr. steven smith and another observational study showed fauci's comments likely caused lives in the u.s. while we're talking 10,000 lives. >> no, more than that man, a lot more. >> a hundred thousand? >> laura i hate to say things like that, but, yes.

>> then on herd immunity, fauci admitted to lying about the threshold level for political reasons. he didn't want people to forego medication or the vaccine telling the new york times last december, when polls said only about half of all americans would take a vaccine, i was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75%. then when newer surveys said 60% or more would take it, i thought, i could nudge this up a bit so i went to 80, 85. this is stunning. so mr. science was not about science at all. it was about nudging. and on the usual of acquired or natural immunity, it's what you get when you're exposed to covid you produce t cells, antibodies, you contract the virus. well, fauci once again response with dismissiveness. >> vaccines are highly

efficacious. they are better than the traditional response you get from natural infection. >> oh, my god. wrong. in fact a bombshell new study from the cleveland clinic covering over 52,000 employees, is that good enough for you, anthony? blows up fauci's profoundly unscientific claim. researchers found no difference in reinfection rates between unvaccinated people who previously contracted covid, and those who had been vaccinated. in other words, it's medical malpractice to force vaccines on the tens of millions of americans, probably more than that, who have already gotten protective t cells, b cells or covid antibodies again from previous covid. this is imfollowing 101. you learn this in premed. you one says those affected by the original sars virus still have t cell immunity 17 years

later. that was the original sars. look, if we had an independent and honest media, this new cleveland study would be leading every nightly newscast. but, like fauci, they've committed to the lie that every american must be vaccinated or be made into social paraiahs. >> you can do whatever you want but you can't go on with life in pre covid society. >> i don't understand about i'm not going to get the vaccine. be a patriot, protect other people. >> i say we need to shun those that refuse to get vaccinated. >> speaking of vaccines, fauci's also fighting the science on kids vaccines and covid. >> we hope that, as we approach the end of this calendar year, we'll have enough information to vaccinate children of any age. >> okay, this is literally insane and anti science.

it will help no one except the pharma execs that have already become billionaires. >> we proceed toked those most at risk for covid, scharffr children are not at riskment more children died last year from the flu than covid. >> of course, all of the egregious fauci unscientific acts lockdowns were among the most destructive. >> i would like to see a dramatic demon is, if you look at what happened in europe when they locked down or shut down or sheltered in place, they did it to the tune of 95% plus of the country did that, really functionally shut down only about 50%. >> oh, my god. checked out europe's economy lately compared to ours? i honestly cannot believe how compliant americans were for so so long.

there was literally zero science behind these orders. remember, it was 14 days to slow the curve, save the hospitals. that was all out the window. and i'm not even speaking about our unconstitutional loss of personal liberty with little to no legislative oversight. fauci beloved the way the blue states handled things, remember the cozy relationship with the como's. less power for people and more for people like him. and now confirmed what we told you a year ago, lockdowns made no sense. found little correlation between the severity of a nation's restrictions in whether it managed to curb excess fatalities. again, death is the end point, should be, serious illness for this vie us. of course, the same study did find a correlation between hard lockdowns and deep economic pain, which is what europe is facing. and we see the same dynamic here

between red states that never shut down or reopened very early, and blue states that stayed closed. jobs data from april shah is that 8 of the 10 states with the lowest unemployment rates are led by gop governors. and ten states with the highest unemployment rates have democrat governors. naturally. perhaps there's no issue more revealing of the fauci fraud than the issue of face masks. the filthy chinese made face coverings that litter the streets and clog our gutters were always about politics and never about science. >> i wear it for the reason that i believe it is effective. i want to protect myself and protect others. and also because i want to make it be a symbol for people to see. >> so it's a costume. first of all, fauci admitted in a newly released e nail february of 2020 that masks really aren't effective which is correct and confirmed by a huge study on

masks and influence a that the cdc posted on its own web site back in may of last year. another recent study from the university of louisville points out that mask mandates in youth are not associated with slower state level covid-19 spread during covid-19 growth spurts. but since democrats and the media threw out science, in fact they threw it out long ago, we still get completely incoherent and unscientific recommendations like this one from fauci's pals at the cdc. athletic activities should be done outdoors when possible. wear a mask outdoors in crowded settings or in close contact, vigorous activity like playing sports. zero evidence of the virus spreading efficiently outdoors, which we new and told you a year ago. but the ent scientists at the cdc and anthony fauci simply will not let this power go. there it's too much political power at steak. and speaking of power, the

entire field of public health has been sadly, and i think for a long, long time, compromised, if not forever, by the research dollars from pharma and also the influence of the ccp. and that means fauci's still giving china the benefit of the doubt of the virus origin. notice how he starts this next little sound bite with most scientists i know. >> most of the scientists that i know feel that way, that the most likely origin is a natural origin from an animal to human. however, we have not ruled out the possibility that there could have been a leak from the lab of them working on the virus. it could have been that someone was infected early on. they brought him into the lab and it came out of the lab, but it was already out in the community. >> wait a minute, march of last year 2020 they were saying there was no possibility it came from a lab. now they're like, oh, well, it

could come from a lab. which is it? does he think we are he total idiots or is this how he does science? rank speculation devoid of any serious genomic analysis that we come to expect from people magazine in aviator sunglasses. i said it before and i'll say it again, those e-mails to fauci in 2021 what the blue dress was to clip none 1998. at one point fauci may be called deserved to be called an esteemed scientist but not now. he's a bureaucrat who pals around with global elites when he should be focused on the scientific process. long since time for him to turn in his lab coat. and that's the angle. here with me now is dr. peter, internist cardiologist and epidemiologist, and the school of health epidemiology professor

>> today dr. fauci told the wall street journal that people who push back against him put lives at risk. i guess that's you guys, yours truly and everyone else we show caused on this show. your response. >> as a practicing doctor and editor of two major journals, i can tell you, you know, we hear from lawyers that no person is above the law and in medicine, no doctor is pier review. and what americans really deserve to see over the last year is a team of doctors, preferably doctors who knew how to treat patients for covid-19, new how to rapidly determine the literature and come up with the correct inferences. you know, the science changed over time and every time there was a definitive statement within a few days or weeks, there was no data particularly with respect to treatment. >> well, dr. rish, when you hear dr. fauci hide behind the quote science like i'm mr. science, i'm the truth, if you ever question me you're anti science

and anti truth. you've had -- both of you have esteemed careers in epidemiology and beyond, published i don't know how many peer review pieces in your career. but what is your reaction to just the total cavalier dismissiveness of legitimate questions about their proclamations about this virus? >> well, laura, he's name calling. when i defend the scientific point of view i pull out the papers and the data and say this shows this this shows that and here's how i interpret it. dr. fauci doesn't say that he says nine out of ten scientists believe what i say or all the scientists believe what i say. he never that i have heard cited one reference supporting his position. that is not science. >> just to follow up, dr. mccullough, the hydroxychloroquine literature that's now come out, again, the early studies, either they didn't give enough hydroxy,

wasn't given early enough, given to very sick patients, dr. risch and i went over this so many times over the past year, but the data doesn't lie at some point and the data, it is what it is. your reaction there? >> yeah, in the end the truth is arrived at. there's over 200 studies, the small randomized trials that he mentioned were done in the hospital. many were flawed. all stopped early. and really couldn't give any answers. when we look at how hydroxychloroquine is used as an outpatient, there are now hundreds of thousands of patients who have been treated with hydroxychloroquine in studies, even the randomized trials all stopped early when combined to a reduction, there's no doubt about it, hydroxychloroquines in combination with other drugs is safe and effective and reduces hospitalization and death and americans should have been treated, many more americans could have avoided hospitalizations if they were on multi drug programs. >> dr. steven smith didn't want to think, it was so shocking to

think how many lives were lost unnecessarily. dr. risch fauci can't stop the can't fear of the variance. >> in the uk the delta variant is rapidly emerging as the dominate variant, rate is at 60%. the transmission is peeking in the young of group of 12-20 year old. mainly that group that er we concerned about here, about making sure they get vaccinated. >> dr. risch, once again respond to the variance fearmongering. >> this is the same fearmongering that he said about the uk variant some months ago, which did overgrow, compared to the original strain, but was essentially no consequence whatsoever. and given that you have all of the, you know, a large fraction of adults over age 30 and especially over age 60 who have

been vaccinated in the uk, and a lot of people who were immune, 30 or 40% are immune from infection, previous infection, the only people left, the majority of the people left that actually get infected are younger people. that doesn't belief it's selecting for younger people at all by no means. younger people do perfectly well either without treatment or early treatment. generally it's a my nowhere illness for most young people. >> and isn't mueller's reaction if i remember my impromptu, isn't that it becomes weaker more transmissible but weaker and weaker, dr. mccullough. >> yeah, that's true. unfortunately the virus wants to survive and if it kills its host too i can requestly it can't pop gate. the uk is predominately in the united states, we've done great with early treatment, got the pandemic under control and i think americans who really take a lot of hope that we're closing

out the pandemic and things are really going to return to normal without anymore outbreak. >> gentlemen, thank you for actually standing for the science tonight. up next we provide you with two examples of how blue states are showing you they cannot be trusted. one of which is even with your kids. window era here to explain with and abigail shire next.

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. >> laura: now, amp a year plus of crushing covid mandates, california governor gavin newsome will finally be fully reopening his state next week, but, as always, there's a catch. >> one thing i'm certain of is there's uncertainty in the future. the emergency remains in effect after june 15th. >> what's the reason for that? >> because we're still in a state of emergency. this disease has not been distinguished, not vanished, not taking the summer months off. >> is that the wheel of fortune? that's ridiculous. there's a word for government via ex extive he cantive. joining us newt gingrich former speaker of the house, fox news contributor, newt they don't want to let go of the state of emergency they declare by executive order because it gives them all sorts of power they did

exert when they feel it's appropriate what are the dangers here? >> well, this is enormously dangerous and i suspect it's going to start leading to a whole series of lawsuits because you have governors who are clearly violating the us constitution. the constitution was written to guarantee our rights against the government. and now you have governments out here, whether it's on blocking churches from having sessions or whether it's dictating to people or saying which businesses can open up or which cools can open up, and i agree with your analysis. there's something about being a liberal democrat that just loves power. it's an addiction. and they love being in charge. and they love, frankly, corruption. and so they use their power to reward their friends and punish their enemies and to take care of their family and to take care of their political supporters. and i think this is the largest

breakdown of the u.s. constitution in the nation's history. not counting the civil war. but i think in a non-civil warren environment, it's astonishing in places like new york or michigan or illinois or california how much power these governors have grabbed. and you're exactly right. it makes them the equivalent of a third world dictator and it guaranties massive levels of corruption. >> laura: now, newt, if you have the chance to live in -- let's say you live in oakland california, nothing against oakland but given what's happened to california, the most beautiful state i think in the countrying being wrecked day by day but if you have a chance to live in oakland or in nashville, why do you stay in oakland? la versus miami?

they're driving people out of these states and hollowing them out. >> yeah. i think california last year lost $9 billion in tax revenues as people just left. i think some of the most famous people in california are now in florida or texas. i think you're seeing people move to utah, to idaho, to arizona. in fact, arizonaians are word that if too many californians show up they're going to try the change it to a blue state. but the other thing is deeper and sicker and you see it in the biden administration. there's an entire generation of left wing democrats who have total contempt for the rule of law, total contempt for the constitution, and believe it is their god given right to override the constitution and to tell you how to live your life. and if you don't listen to them, use the power of government to punish you. it's an extraordinary dangerous assault.

>> laura: newt, i knew you were coming on and i couldn't wait to ask you about the freakout over the american flag. like the left doesn't -- they don't want to see the flag, that's why they were happy when the athletes were always kneeling for the fans or they don't like standing for the and thumb. sonny hoffman on the view today, i know you watch her every day. let's see it. >> when i drive into a neighborhood, and it's not july 4th and i'm not in a predominately military household neighborhood, and there are flags, american flags, everywhere, alongside trump flags, alongside flags with stars in a circle, i feel threatened because the message is very clear, it's a message of white supremacy. >> newt, they're basically what we've thought about them all along, at least they're being out and open about it. >> look, what she just said,ers is first of all anti american, anti patriotic and in a sense

racist. the person flying that flag could be an african american who served in the marine corps or latino who loves america. this idea that red white and blue is bad, i have to tell you i disagree deeply, bitterly with the biden's administration's decision that american embassy can fly both the black lives matter flag and the gay pride flag. the american embassy should fly the american flag, and only the american flag. and the congress ought to pass, there's a bill called the old glory bill which is very clear. the only flag we should fly at an american embassy is an american flag. >> laura: newt, thank you. great to see you tonight as always. >> and speaking of blue state tyranny, some are empowering social workers, youth shelters and hospitals to actually rip children away from their

parents. this is one of the most shocking stories i've read lately. abigail shrier writes laws in arizona california and washington placed troubled minor teens as young as 13 in the driver's seat with their own mental healthcare including gender affirming care and can render parents powerless to stop them. joining me is abigail shrier journalist and author of irreversible damage. abigail you're somewhat of an expert this was a stunning piece and i encourage everyone to read it what's at steak for parental rights and the innocence of children. what do americans need to know right now about the power of some of these state governments to take kids away from parents, or undermine their values? >> right, well, what i found was that in, you know, if a young teen-ager in washington, the age, control for their mental healthcare is 13 and up. if they decide that they are

transgender and want to announce a transgender identity that the state and parents are on board and they want to affirm it and immediately proceed with hormones and surgeries, the state will support them and applaud them. and if a parent takes a different tact and says, hold on, i'm not sure this is right for you or maybe this is a last resort, then the state seems to put its thumb on the scale and it can vary, quickly escalate to a threat for the parents custody. >> laura: can parents actually be given an ultimatum to say you either give them the -- i hate even saying it, the gender -- i think it's an outrage for children -- they can't get on a plane by themselves without a note from their parents but they can do this. can parents actually be told you do this or else you lose custody? is that where we're headed. >> well, we're headed there i do think. because look at the laws in the state of washington.

a child age 13 up has total control over inpatient and outpatient mental health treatment and also have total privacy rights to that mental healthcare. so parents are not entitled to know about it. and health workers and insurance companies are directly barred, by law, from disclosinging that mental health treatment, gender affirming treatment to the parents, and that can can include hormone treatments anything from affirming someone's pronounce to their hormone treatments and surge advicements this is why a lot of mom friends of mine, when a doctor says i want to talk to the child myself, who are these parents that walk out of the room? i don't understand that. who are these parents that do that. you have to stay there. you don't know what they're saying. we hope it's all fine. but i think a lot of parents are thinking about this, like thinking about undermining their family values, like their personal rights and i think people have to see this. in canada we see where this all

could be headed. the post millennial is reporting that a warrant was issued by a judge for the arrest of a father after calling his biological female child his daughter and referring to her with the pronounce she and her. he was found to be in contempt of court. abigail, i bet you could find a lot of democrats today who would be just fine with that in the united states. >>. yes, but, actually, the unfortunate thing is that a lot of democrats are not okay. most of the parents that call me are politically progressive. the problem is that they were a little naive about, in the case you brought up, allowing social workers to speak alone with with their kids, sometimes social workers show up at the school so parents don't find out until after the fact and that can start a scenario that very quickly is ca late to a threat to the parents' custody. >> laura: abigail, this was a shocking piece. everyone must read it. i'll make sure to tweet it out

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runs red and they start swarming then they attack the commander in chief. secret service did not intervene but boy was cnn giddy. >> he arrives at joint base. >> was that. >> a cicada. >> oh, lord. >> watch out for the cicadas, one just got me. >> the president acknowledging that he has the cicadas, first presidential cicada i think we have on incident there. >> laura: i can't even with the cicadas. >> it's not the first presidential cicada interaction. that cnn show laura has given cicadas more coverage than a peace summit in a desperate quest for ratings they've covered these things in a way they should never be cord. >> the fun gus causes the cicada's butted and genitile to

fall off. >> okay. >> oh, the crunch. >> do i have a wing hanging out of my mouth? it's literally in there. >> if the morning thing doesn't work out she could always be a judge on master chef laura, eating unedible things is a talent but this is too far. >> laura: i can tell you there is nothing that could make me eat a cicada. but they did spend quite -- i think they'll end up having spend more time on the cicada swarm. >> oh, yeah. >> laura: than china's impending swarm on taywan. >> it needs a special graphic. biden did escape the swarm long enough to land in england and brought his trademark brand of speech makeses to the uk or should i said [inaudible] >> grounded on democratic i deals shared with a future and

where every voice matters. where the rights, rights of all people. >> world war ii was when the us army air force formed a 100 bombardment group. and, by the way, my -- just so you know a little, my uncle -- i keep forgetting i'm president. >> this must be very reassuring to the allies. giving his waiving sanctions to russia to the pipeline in germany they've all probably forgotten he's president as well, or maybe they're trying to. >> it's always interesting when we lecture the troops about the military history that they've just learned. really just did have the normandy anniversary. >> and no mention of normandy laura. he didn't mention it on the 77th anniversary but he said the greatest threat to the u.s.

security is climate change. no, it's actually national change of dominance in the world, that's the greatest threat. and speaking of england the queen who biden will speak is being cancelled at oxford, graduate students have voted to oh he eliminate her portrait from a room in the college citing her ties to britain colonial history. not shocking the grad who called for the queen was a visiting grad from maryland. >> of course maryland. does not surprise me in the clientest. hold on, will biden dare to meet with the epitome of colinsation? come on man. >> between markle and this guy, the brits may dough claire us a colony again just to teach us some civility. >> laura: is it true raymond that the lillibet naming is controversying?

the queen did not give permission for the -- it was her nickname as a trial. >> it's apparently-on oh, wait. oh, my god. should i put this in a gum balance? what should i do. swat it? what should i do. >> laura: see, raymond knows that if i see a bug, i can't help but scream. you did this this he on-this was not planned so don't think it was planned. >> this was not planned i promise. >> i officially hate you. i have to go. they're killing me. >> give me cicada -- >> why is the government hiding thousands of hours of january 6th video footage and why won't they release the name of the officer who shot ashley bob et. congressman newsome joins us next and how he plans to get there. i babbitt.

♪ >> laura: the biden's administration about january 6th, they aren't keen on sharing information about what happened. for instance the government still hasn't released 14,000 hours of house security camera footage from that day. odd. and we still don't know the name of the officer who took the life of ashli babbitt. my next guest aims to change all that. joining me now california congressman devon nunez ranging

member. we asked the dc's attorneys offices about this and the response was they're in the process of making all video material january 6th defendants. congressmen they don't say congress will get access. should you? >> well, look, i have news for th them. the democrats actually do have access. so they can share it with republicans. we don't need the executive branch or the department of justiceive us our own videotape. we are a separate branch of government. what's going on here is a massive coverup by pelosi and the democrats. these 14,000 hours should be shared across all of the committees in congress and the members of congress should decide whether or not these should be released to the public. as it receipt late to the defendants in this case, of which so far there's only, from what i can tell, because we can't get a true reading of it, three dozen people have been charged with the breaking and entering. so there's been all kinds of promises, all kinds of hype. but if i was a defendant in that case, i would be pressing hard

to get that videotape to know what the defendant actually did or did not do. because, likely, there's cameras all over the capitol, i would think defense lawyers would want to have that information. >> well, and about the ashli babbitt death, they did not respond to our questions about, whoever it was who pulled the trigger. why is that important? >> well, look, it's really a two teared system of just we've seen are the department of justice the last five years where republicans seem to get the book thrown at them and in other cases nothing happens. in this case it involves a police officer, capitol hill police officer, no one's looking to see that person get docked. we need to compare the capitol police, who are a public institution, they work for the legislative branch of government, how are they different than a local law enforcement officers that

continually get doxxed their names out there if they're in an officer-involved shooting. why here wasn't a name involved when it's supposedly a democrat and democrat constituency, they get threatened, even nba players threatening these police officers yet here we have no idea who this police officer is. there seems to be something wrong. as i understand the babbitt family's going to be filing a lawsuit. they should. they have a right to know what happened to their daughter. >> they said they want to know as well, and that came out tonight. i want to get your thoughts on what former fbi official frank said to chuck todd yesterday. watch. >> what have we learned from our experience of international terrorism? in order to address that problem arresting lower operatives is a speed bump not a roadblock. in order to attack it, you have

to attack and dismantle the control and command element of a terrorist group. that may mean people sitting in congress right now. >> congressman, quickly your response to this. >> look, this is all part of their game plan. this is their narrative that they don't want to give up on because their policies actually aren't working. so it's easy just to call everybody a white supremist or worship at the gods of global warming and blame everything on global warming, it's just what they do because their policies aren't working and i think this is what they're going to continue to do all the way through the election to help to defend off a disastrous 2022. >> congressman wonderful to see you tonight. thank you. up next, a special announcement about freedom and how it matters. ♪♪ ♪ i want to see you stand up ♪ ♪ i want to feel you be proud ♪ ♪ i want to hear your beating heart ♪

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